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jordan and the moderate palestinia palestinians, we used to count on countries that were rejectionists but no strategic threat to our ally israel, being iraq and syria, well, today we face question marks in all those countries if not now, at some point in the very near future. the challenge from iran remains, of course, as it has for a while. the question now is for us and it is a huge one is how to settle down a region that seems increasingly prone to blowing its top. president obama, secretary of state kerry, and the rest of the american team i assume are giving this one all they've got. and that's "hardball" for now, thanks for being with us, have a safe and happy fourth of july. "politics nation" with al sharpton starts right now. thanks, chris, and thanks to you for tuning in. we are live tonight from a free health care clinic in new orleans. we've been here all day partnering with the national
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association of free clinics. and seeing the health care crisis in america like this is really powerful. over 700 patients were treated today, over 900 volunteers have been working to get these americans care today. we're going to hear their stories tonight. some who haven't seen a doctor in years, some whose lives might have been saved today. also, huge news far away tonight in egypt. the military has ousted president morsi. that country's first democratically elected president. what does it mean for democracy in that region? and what does it mean for the obama administration and his foreign policy? but we start tonight with the george zimmerman murder trial. and a dramatic day in court. the prosecution may have exposed a new potential inconsistency in zimmerman's account. it came during gripping
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testimony given by zimmerman's former college criminal justice teacher. the teacher took the stand. he revealed what the course entailed and remembered the kind of student zimmerman was. >> do you remember the defendant george zimmerman being a student in that course? >> i do. >> okay. and do you remember what kind of grade you gave him? >> an "a." with florida and other states, they have what's called the stand your ground law, which evolved from the doctrine through case law. >> and did you cover that specifically? did you discuss specifically self-defense and stand your ground laws in the connection of violent crimes such as murder? >> yes. >> that testimony appeared to contradict what zimmerman has said. remember, the stand your ground law in florida says deadly force can be used in self-defense.
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last year, zimmerman said he was unaware of the law. >> prior to this night, this incident, had you even heard stand your ground? >> no, sir. >> you never heard about it before? >> no. >> so a year ago zimmerman said he didn't know about the law. but today his former teacher said it was taught in a class where zimmerman got an "a." this comes a day after other seeming contradictions emerged, including whether zimmerman followed trayvon martin after the dispatcher told him not to or whether trayvon martin grabbed zimmerman's gun or reached for it. mr. zimmerman has pled not guilty and claims he shot trayvon martin in self-defense. how is the prosecution doing, improving what they call a web of lies? joining me now, former
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prosecutor faith jenkins, msnbc legal analyst lisa bloom, former florida homicide prosecutor who is now a criminal defense attorney and criminal defense attorney john burris. thank you all for being here. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> faith, this testimony comes from the college teacher and it was pretty powerful. how serious have they damaged zimmerman's credibility with this? >> well, they're trying to build upon what they believe are inconsistencies and lies told by george zimmerman. it's not just the fact that he has to lie but he does it because he can. and they're showing he's lying about the small things, so how can you even believe him about the big things? and in the interview, the reason why i think they're going to play that portion in their closing arguments is not just what he said, it's how he said it. he's sitting there calmly and coolly, his attorney sitting next to him.
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the nation watching. and he looks him in the eye and says he's never even heard of stand your ground. and now we know not only did he take that one class and get an "a," he took a series of criminal justice classes. how could he not know about stand your ground? >> lisa, how important is this in terms of his being inconsistent and on whether or not he had knowledge on whether he was giving his statements to detectives immediately after the shooting of trayvon martin. >> i agree with faith. when i heard this professor's testimony this morning that zimmerman not only took the class but got an "a" in the class and these topics were specifically covered. what did zimmerman say exactly? did he say he wasn't an expert on it? he said he never heard of it. i mean, he just can't get out of that. and he said it in that very calm way that he says everything.
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if you don't have the evidence to line up against it, you think, well, gee, he's a calm, straightforward kind of guy. if he can lie that clearly about never having heard of stand your ground, you know, what else might he be lying about? the details of this fight and whether, indeed, his life was being threatened, whether trayvon martin said he was going to take his life that night. i mean, so much is really called into question. not only by this lie, but all the inconsistencies the prosecution's now building against him. i think the prosecution's gained some steam in the last couple of days. >> ken, do you think this is a significant? >> absolutely. lisa said the phrase, so much is called into question. this is a cold, calculated outright lie. and everyone in that courtroom, but especially the people that count the jury heard george zimmerman say on national television when it was played to them that he had never heard of the stand your ground law and it's clear that he had, in fact, heard of it. he might not remember the
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details, might not remember everything that the professor said in class, but he had heard of it. so he's clearly outright lied. and what the prosecution is clearly hoping is now the jury is getting the full understanding that this is a man that truth and lies are interchangeable and you can't give him any weight to anything he says. the government really needs the jury to believe that in order for them to prove their case here. >> john, do you think the prosecution is trying to paint the picture that he's a liar? or are they trying to paint the picture that he had knowledge of self-defense laws when he was giving his statements to police? or both? >> actually, both. i mean, at the time he went on hannity's program, he had injected himself into a public figure status, the stand your ground law has been discussed nationally by everyone before he went on that program.
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he heard of it. so for him to deny that and to do it, i think, as others have said in a way that looks like he's telling the truth when a point of fact is he was lying, now the question his demeanor and telling a lie is very consistent with how he communicates at all times. but beyond that, he had real knowledge of self-defense laws. i mean, he's taking a number of classes, he's studied this, he's been -- gotten an "a" in one class, how to prepare for a witness in a case. so he has all of the indices of a person who can be a professional witness and a professional person in the areas of law enforcement, particularly around the law. so he hurt himself, i think, greatly by that particular lie. and i find it interesting because it didn't have to occur. i mean, this is something -- the lawyers had been pretty smart about how they dealt with it and took an innocent thing and took it and there was one of the last questions that he asked and it may have caught him by surprise,
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but notwithstanding that, he shouldn't have been involved in that situation in the first place if -- unless he thought he could outsmart the rest of the world. >> now, faith, dna expert testified. and he said that none of mr. zimmerman's dna evidence was found on trayvon martin's hands. listen to this. >> the stick from the right hand had some red/brown staining on it so i performed the chemical test for the possible presence of blood and it tested positive. the dna profile i obtained was a single source profile and it was -- it matched the dna profile from trayvon martin. >> in other words from the right fingernail scrapings of trayvon martin, you did not find any of george zimmerman's dna there, is that correct? >> no, there was nothing foreign to trayvon martin. the left hand stick was not tested for the possible presence of blood. it did not have any staining on it whatsoever.
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i swabbed that and did not get any dna results from that swab. >> faith, if they had the kind of struggle that has been described, wouldn't there be some kind of dna on trayvon martin? >> george zimmerman knows the law on self-defense, he knows in order to get a proper self-defense charge and win this case, using self-defense, he has to allege he was reasonably in fear for his life or great bodily harm. so the prosecutors are arguing he completely embellished the amount of physical contact he had between him and trayvon martin. and the dna evidence and the forensics support that because they don't have his dna under trayvon's nails. and if you were in this life or death struggle, fight, and trayvon is repeatedly hitting you and slamming your head against the concrete, surely the forensics would support that and they don't. >> lisa, do -- in the cross, did
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the defense back any of this down from the dna expert? >> normally i love dna evidence because it's scientific and i'm a geek and we don't have to rely on the words of people who tend to be biased and make things up, but frankly i'm unimpressed with the dna evidence in this case because i think the defense has made good points about the collection that the -- that the remains of trayvon martin that was there in the rain for some time, his hands were not bagged and on cross-examination today we learned that perhaps only two of the ten fingernails of trayvon martin's were scraped. this expert did not know. if all five on one hand were scraped, it would have been with the same implement. i'm less impressed with the dna because it's subject to the human beings who collected it to seem to have potentially made some errors. >> now, ken, do you think that the jury hearing some of the contradictions now that appear to be in zimmerman's story hearing a dna guy saying what
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he's saying, given the limitations that lisa's raising. do you think it goes with the flow to the jury that maybe things are not as it was appearing to be a couple of days ago from the defense being able to seemingly penetrate some of the prosecution witnesses? >> well, i agree with lisa, i'm not that thrilled with the dna evidence. it would be much more important if dna evidence showed that there was, in fact, you know, contact or touching. here it's being used to show an admission of dna evidence. it's not quite as powerful. no one's brought that up yet. but i think to a juror sitting here listening to this, that evidence isn't going to be that important. it goes in the flow, helps with the other evidence that does have more weight and does carry more -- more impact with the jury in showing inconsistencies. and, again, i think that the prosecution really has to go after zimmerman not being
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honest. and you have to disregard everything that he says. because if you believe some of the things that zimmerman says, which is corroborated by some other witnesses, the prosecution's going to have a problem. so they really need to go to this jury and say've got to disregard zimmerman, give him no weight in the evidence that came out from his testimony and his sworn statements and his media appearances. >> john, before i run out of time on this segment, the firearms expert examined the gun that mr. zimmerman used to kill trayvon. she said the burn marks on trayvon martin's sweatshirt showed the gun was touching the fabric when it discharged. mr. zimmerman's defense attorney then tried to get her to admit the gun was not pressed into trayvon martin's body. watch. >> there's no evidence, for example, that would show up that you would take a gun nozzle and
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push it into the shirt where the shirt would fold around it, was there? >> no, it was consistent with the muzzle of the firearm touching. >> if it was in contact -- >> okay. >> pushed in to the extent that it folded the fabric around it, that would've shown a different type of burn pattern potentially, correct? >> potentially if the sweatshirt had gone over the top of the ejection port area, there would possibly be marks from that, but otherwise whether it was lightly touching or pressed in, it would be the same type of physical effects i have seen. >> so now by her saying it could have been either, this argues against the prosecution saying the gun was not pressed against trayvon martin because they were trying to say trayvon martin was on top and therefore there was some -- it went through the clothing because he was leaning
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over. and this expert did not give that as a definitive. this is where the entry proved to be. she said it could have been either way. >> yeah, i think that was important. the defense was really arguing very hard to prove that there wasn't pressed against the flesh. but the point of fact is given the nature of the burn around the shirt and the body itself, it could have been either one. he didn't get a benefit from that. i think what i'm interested to know and we haven't had the medical examiner, though, is what angle was that gun pressed up against the shirt of the body because it's either upward or straight ahead. and that should suggest the arm positioning of george zimmerman. so i think it's important later if we get other evidence. >> all right. i want my legal panel to stay with me. so much more to talk about tonight. coming up -- with the prosecution close to
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resting, all eyes turn to trayvon martin's mother. will she take the stand? when will she take the stand? what will she say? and the globe is watching egypt as president morsi is ousted by the military. what is president obama doing tonight? and it's a special edition of "politics nation," we're live at a free health clinic in new orleans. tonight, why anyone putting politics over people's knees to see this and to feel this is why i'm inspired about what i saw today. and i'm going to talk about it. >> hello. how old are you? >> six months. i'm going to be able to give him his six month shot. >> are they usually expensive? >> yeah. vo: traveling you definitely end up meeting a lot more people but
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we're back on "politics nation" live from new orleans where we are partnering with the national association of free clinics to get americans in need health care. more on that ahead. but we go back to the george zimmerman murder trial today with the prosecution reportedly close to resting. today was day 18 of the trial. we've had eight days of testimony so far. and 35 witnesses have been called to the standby the prosecution. including two key witnesses. we've heard from the woman who was on the young lady who was on the phone with trayvon martin during the confrontation and the lead investigator in the case. but it's the testimony from
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trayvon martin's mother that everyone is waiting for. we are expecting her to take the stand and to address whose voice was screaming on that critical 911 tape. so where does the case stand? and what lies ahead? back with me, faith jenkins, lisa bloom, and john burris. thanks again for all of you being here. lisa, let me go to you first. 35 witnesses later, what case are you seeing the prosecution build? >> first of all, bless you for what you're doing in new orleans. i think it's terrific and so important. with regard to this case, you know, this is such a tough call. i think the prosecution has put enough out there to get a conviction for manslaughter. i think murder is a really tough one. i'd be very surprised if they get that. but they've established a lot of inconsistencies in george zimmerman's stories. so many and some of them so blatant that they appear to be
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out in out lies. and that makes me call into question everything he says. on the other hand, i think it's pretty clear that george zimmerman was assaulted. he has injuries unless you believe those injuries were self-inflicted which really there's no evidence to support, there was some kind of a fight. and so it all boils down to what was in his mind at the time he took out his gun and pulled the trigger? i think that's a very, very difficult question. i think anybody that tries to call this case is a fool because we don't know what's in the mind of those six jurors. >> well, karen, i don't think you're a fool, but how would you call the prosecution's case at this point? >> i don't know what's in the mind of those jurors, but lisa is correct. there are things you could say both ways. here's the biggest problem i see, the prosecution has built a case and they've hacked away at the inconsistencies of george zimmerman. but the biggest problem is i've never ever seen a homicide case where the lead detective, the case agent, the man in charge goes before the jury and admits
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on cross-examination that he believes the self-defense argument from george zimmerman. what it's going to come down to is the prosecution's got to convince this jury that there's no credibility of george zimmerman. but if you believe some things from george zimmerman with the detective saying that, there's big problems here. the state's got to prove this case beyond and the exclusion of every reasonable doubt. and that's a very, very high burden. >> john, ken says he's never seen a homicide case where the lead detective believed the accused. but there also was a lead detective in the department that did not arrest and charge george zimmerman. there was another detective and prosecutor that came with these charges. could that weigh in on the importance or nonimportance of
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what the lead detective said and the fact that the judge told them to disregard what they said at the end? >> certainly what the judge instructions would be difficult for them to follow. but at the end of the day, i don't think it would turn on the lead investigators' statements. i think what happened to me, what i've seen here is that don west today unwhit iittingly ste into what this case really is when he talked with the captain today who tried to tell them about an imperfect self-defense what don west was not trying to get. at the end of the day, he was trying to get the subjectivity. but what he was left with, it wasn't subjective, it's objective. and when the jury hears a standard of that kind, that does get you to the lesser included offense of manslaughter as lisa said and i've said on other occasions. it would be extraordinarily difficult to prove second-degree murder here even through
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inconsistencies because that's really not enough for juries. they need something more substantial, you know, in order to prove second-degree murder. and here what you have is the only testimony around the murder itself is george zimmerman's statements. and even though they're inconsistent in certain areas in terms of the number of blows and the nature of the fight and he was the instigator, you have rachel say all of that. at the end of the day, what you get from all of that is he's exaggerated his injuries, the blows, and what he essentially has done has subjectively he decided to kill this kid when an objectively reasonable person would say, you can't kill someone under these facts. you don't have the injuries, you don't have the blows, and you shot and killed this kid because you wanted to. that to me is an imperfect self-defense. which is manslaughter. >> faith, how do you -- where do you see the prosecution's case? and what if anything does the defense have to come with if they put up a case at all? >> well, the prosecution started
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this case at the very beginning with an uphill battle because the only eyewitness to that initial encounter when george zimmerman, trayvon martin meet is george zimmerman, the defendant. and under the law, he's an interested witness by law. he has the biggest stake in the outcome of this case. so the jurors are absolutely going to look at his statements with a certain level of scrutiny. and a conviction here will rise and fall on whether those jurors believe what george zimmerman said occurred that night. and so that's why the prosecutor has pain stakingly gone through his statements and evidence bits and pieces to mount their prosecution and base and hope this jury bases a conviction on the fact they simply cannot believe anything that george zimmerman says. a very skillful prosecutor will stand up during closing statements and they will paint a picture for this jury and make it clear he has lied repeatedly. he has been inconsistent repeatedly. why? because he has something to hide. why? because that's consciousness of guilt.
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that's their job. now, the defense, they said last night, stated last night they do plan to call witnesses. they have also done a great job of cross-examining these witnesses and getting bits and pieces of information out from these witnesses to try to raise a reasonable doubt in the jurors' minds without putting george zimmerman on the witness stand. we'll see what witnesses they call, but they have absolutely maximized their cross-examinations in a way where they've gotten a lot of information to work with out of these witnesses. >> now, lisa, we are told that sabrina fulton, trayvon's mother, may testify. what is it that the prosecution wants to get out of her? and what would be in your opinion the importance of her testimony if any? >> i have said all along if i were prosecuting this case, i would put her on last. and the most important thing in her testimony would be to play
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that horrible 911 call that still gives me chills even though i've heard it a number of times where one of these two young men is screaming for his life and then you hear the bullet ring out, the bullet that kills trayvon martin. and we know that sabrina fulton has told law enforcement, that is my son, that is trayvon martin. i know that is my son. she has never waiver ewavered o. and i would put her on to say that. let her be cross-examined, let don west or mark o'mara go after her. what are they going to do to her on cross-examination? i think that's going to be a tough one for them. >> i will say this -- >> well, i'm going to have to leave it there, faith jenkins, lisa bloom, ken padowitz, john burris, thank you for your time tonight. >> thanks, rev. the egyptian military has taken control of the country. overthrowing president mohammed morsi. what it means here at home and
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for the president to step down. the military has announced the suspension of the constitution written by morsi's islamist allies. and it has named the chief justice of the country's supreme court as the interim president. morsi's fall comes one year after he became the nation's first democratically elected leader. now being held in an undisclosed location. joining me now, washington bureau chief of the news channel. and ambassador dennis ross, former u.s. diplomat under the first president bush and president clinton. now an msnbc contributor. thank you both for being here tonight. >> thank you. >> thank you, sir. >> ambassador ross, let me go to you first. what does this mean for democracy in egypt?
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>> well, on the surface, it appears to be a setback. the fact is president morsi was elected democratically but he didn't operate as if he believed in democracy. this is someone who tried to transform the judiciary and remove all those he thought were opposed to him. this is someone who basically tried to pack the media, you actually had more people prosecuted for insults to the president in his one year than had been the case during all of mubarak's tenure. this is someone who was exclusionary and did not reach out to the opposition or create any possibility for others to govern and share in power. you had someone focused entirely on control for the muslim brotherhood and not on governance. and now he's in a position where he can't govern or control. >> now, we are hearing a lot of
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those complaints that the ambassador talked of. but he was democratically elected, and this is by most analysis at this point a coup. and morsi said it was a coup. who will take over the government now? how do you move forward if the democratically elected president is out. if you go to another election, what happens? who will take over the government now? >> reverend, this is a precedent in principle. at the same time, when you can say that morsi was elected in a clean election, it does not mean that egypt under his rule was a democratic state to democratic institutions. and definitely acted like an autocrat and not as a man who was responding to the will of the people. this is for the first time in the modern history of the middle east where you have a military coup by popular demand.
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i've never seen anything like that in the arab world. i usually have a view of the military's role in politics and we have to remind ourselves that the egyptian military's role after the ousting of president mubarak, the rule was violent and oppressive. and that's why people should not romanticize the military. at the same time, president morsi brought egypt to its knees. president morsi engaged in a war against the judiciary in egypt, against the media, against everybody else in government and he wanted to really dominate through his own party and the muslim brotherhood every agency and every ministry in public life. during his year in government, we've seen the unraveling of the egyptian institutions, the institutions of the state and the unraveling of egyptian society. this is a very dangerous moment for egypt now. i fully agree with the concerns
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that the military in power even if they are behind the scene is something worse. and that's why i think the challenge now for the united states is to tell the military and everybody now who is involved in this soft coup, quote unquote, that they should work quickly and decisively to write a new constitution that will meet the exception of major political powers in egypt and set up very early elections. this is the challenge now for this new team in egypt. >> now, let me stop you right there because joining me now is nbc's ayman who is live from tahrir square now in cairo. can you tell us what is going on right now on the ground where you are? >> reporter: absolutely.
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right now here it is a scene of jubilation. a lot of festive atmosphere, people are extremely happy about the military's move to oust president morsi. the other part of town, supporters of president -- former president mohammed morsi are very somber. many of them mourning what happened tonight and calling it a military coup. now there have been some significant developments in the past couple of hours. egyptian security forces have shut down many media outlets affiliated with the muslim brotherhood and islamic religious channels. they did this out of fear, perhaps, that some of these clerics and other notable personalities who run these channels could perhaps begin to incite the supporters of morsi to take to the streets. former president morsi himself has issued a statement saying what has happened tonight is an illegal coup. he called on citizens and members of the armed forces to reject the coup to abide by the law, to abide by the constitution. as we understand it now, he is
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being held by republican guard. that is a branch of the egyptian military responsible for the president's security. >> all right. well, this is truly an amazing story. ayman, thank you, and thank you to my entire panel for your time tonight. ahead, shining a light on the health crisis in america. we'll hear the stories from this free clinic and why anyone playing politics with health care needs to see this. hey! yummm! totally got it all! don't forget your favorites, girls. hey girls! the good ol'days when we could eat as we wanted. yes, but we are not 18 anymore. sometimes if i eat as i used to my digestive system gets out of whack. it's not easy keeping it working as it should. it's easy if you enjoy an activia everyday. mmmm... delicious! with the exclusive probiotic bifidus regularis, activia helps regulate your digestive system. put a smile back in your day!
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we're back live from new orleans where today we were proud to partner with the national association of free clinics to provide quality health care to hundreds of people in need. more than 900 volunteers pitched in coming from as far as switzerland to lend a hand. it's important work, inspiring work 6789 joining me now the executive director of the national association of free clinics.
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dr. craig deets and nigel brown. one of the corporate sponsors of this event. how did it go? >> it was great. you know, i think one of the things we saw here today is what's indicative of what's happening across the country. so many people need access to health care and we love the msnbc supporters have given us funds and we're almost at our goal. so we hope they can chip in a little bit more so we can continue to help so many people get the health care they need. >> and i want to thank all the volunteers, people that watch the show all over the country. dr. deets, what kind of cases are you seeing here today? >> all day long, i've been seeing things like skin cancer, congestive heart failure, very out of control diabetes, extremely high blood pressure cases. >> out of control diabetes? >> way out of control. like almost needing to be hospitalized out of control. >> i understand one person had
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to be taken to the hospital earlier today. >> at the end of the day, we had five people that ended up having to go to the hospital. >> wow. >> that's right. what struck me the most about some of these cases is when they went through their medical history with me, they produced pill bottles that they got the last time they were at this clinic and have not seen a health care provider in over two years. this was the only place they were coming. >> one man told me the last time he'd seen a doctor was four years ago sat one of these clinics. i think we played the tape. but let me ask you, nigel, why is it so important to get involved in these clinics? >> it's a global health care services company. we get drugs to market, make sure they're safe and effective. this is a natural extension. our communities and where we operate and showing that we care and we're passionate about getting medicine to the people that need it. >> you and i have been passionate about health care, about why america would not have this as a priority.
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and being here on the ground. talking to people saying i have no other way to do this. hardworking people every day, it's heart wrenching. lady with her baby saying i could not have afforded it if you guys hadn't come here today. >> i think i cried a million times. people give you a part of their heart when they tell you these stories. >> absolutely. >> it shouldn't be like this. health care should be a right, not a privilege. we shouldn't be coming to a convention center to get health care, no matter who you are, what you believe, this is not how health care should be delivered in this country. >> we were talking to some of the people and then i would come back with the camera and i said to one lady, i said if you don't want to go on camera, is that all right? and she said i have nothing to be ashamed of. america should be ashamed we have to do this. >> this is true. several patients with me were crying and hugged me during the visit today because they said they had to swallow a lot of pride to come here, that they
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were happy to do it because their health care and family is important to them. >> people that are watching in washington that are in state capitals where they're turning down medicaid expansion. what would you say to nonpartisan across the lines, what would you say to them the partisan political game over leads that you and others are here helping? >> well, i'm no politician, but i can assure that everybody can take a step on their own volunteer individually for these type of things, that's what i choose to do and that's what the option to do. we're proud to do it. >> you know, nicole, some people said to me, they would not even know what is wrong with them. >> exactly. >> if they didn't have the ability to come here and when you were here before going back a couple of years. the thought that people are walking around ill and can't afford to know that they're ill.
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>> and it's heartbreaking. some of these people are ticking time bombs. we had to put them on an ambulance to go to the hospital. i had three patients who were in an emergency room and the emergency room sent them here to get health care. again, that's ridiculous. and they were sick. one of them we had to send back to the hospital. she was that ill. she had no idea. no idea. >> one young man said that he had a problem and someone said to him, why don't you just go on your parents' health care? he said my parents don't have health care. >> that's right, he was coming here for diabetes that he's had since childhood which was well managed when he was under a child's medicaid program. but now that he's 22 years old and going to school, he would be eligible for his -- staying on his parents insurance, but they don't have insurance either. >> well, i really am inspired. we're going to stay with you on this, nicole and craig deets and nigel brown. it's an honor to be here and be
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important that we have affordable health care for all americans. we cannot have a nation this strong that does not at least guarantee health care to all of its citizens. and the all of you out there, please, please if you do nothing else, donate to help this cause. you can donate by going to na and i want to take a moment to thank the msnbc family for your help with this clinic. today these americans were able to get health care because of your donations. it is not those that do the big things, it is those that do the little small things that are unnoticed. you won't be on the front page of a newspaper tomorrow for sending your dollar or two dollars. you'll be in the front of the minds of hundreds of people that wouldn't have had an opportunity if you didn't stop and take a
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moment and a dollar to help them. and on behalf of them, i thank you. thanks for watching this special edition of "politics nation." i'm al sharpton, "hardball" starts right now. egypt blows its top. let's play "hardball." >> good evening, i'm chris matthews back in washington, leading off tonight, the prosecution begins to rest its case in the george zimmerman case. but did it make the case for murder two? did it beat the case for self-defense? did it? or did it simply show weaknesses in its witnesses and in its evidence? but we start tonight with the military coup, yes, military coup in egypt. today, the army overthrew the elected government


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