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help on 911. she described zimmerman as a man frustrated with robberies in his area who went too far in an interview with cnn. >> i think george zimmerman is a man whose heart was in right place but just got displaced by the vandalism in the neighborhoods and wanting to catch these people so badly that he went above and beyond what he really should have done, but i think his heart was in the right place. it just went terribly wrong. >> do you think he is guilty of something? >> i think he's guilty of not using good judgment. when he was in the car and he had called 911, he shouldn't have gotten out of that car. >> overnight in los angeles, protests turned violent. about a to see were arrested for
breaking windows and stomping on cars and attacking people. other protests in cities across the country this weekend were largely peaceful. in a few minutes, the reverend al sharpton and a group of ministers will announce vigils in a hundred cities this saturday for the department of justice to investigate civil rights charges against george zimmerman. i want to bring in my guests. for a to see y good to see you. hearing from this juror, she said trayvon martin probably started the fight. she was convinced it was george zimmerman's voice that we heard on that 911 call. that he felt he had to protect himself. mark, what was your reaction when you heard the explanation of this juror? >> it wasn't surprising. that piece of it wasn't surprising because to arrive at a not guilty verdict you almost have to have that kind of logic. what was more stunning to me her saying he shouldn't have gotten out of the car and he used bad judgment. it seems to me all of those things were factors that make
him culpable. he initiated the interaction that led to the death after young boy ibop. it seems she was overly sympathetic to zimmerman that was baffling. >> she talked about what has happened in the neighborhood previously and she also told anderson cooper she didn't think this was about race. i want to play that part of it. >> i think if -- if -- if there was another person, spanish, white, asian, if they came in the same situation where trayvon was, i think george would have reacted the exact same way. >> why do you think george zimmerman found trayvon martin suspicious then? >> because he was cutting through the back. it was raining. he said he was looking in houses as he was walking down the road, kind of just not having a purpose to where he was going. he was stopping and starting. but, i mean, that is george's rendition of it.
>> a lot of people noted, alexis, she called him throughout this interview by his first name. but also she said race was never discussed in that room. what does that tell you? >> that was something the jurors were actually instructed to do. the judge barred people from discussing race or thinking of this as a racial case so they were actually following the instruction of the judge but something that has been a constant complaint from a lot of people the judge gave the jurors many instructions and one of the reasons that the jurors said in this interview that they had to find him not guilty was because of those instructions. they were trying to match the judge's instructions with all of the evidence which they found as organized and all of the options that they had for finding him guilty of second-degree murder or manslaughter and one of the things the judge also said they cannot consider race so she was following those instructions but one of the other things that is interesting is racial jeantel in her interview on cnn as well -- >> let me play that. she said exactly the opposite that when george zimmerman said f'ing punks, it was racial. here.
let me play that. >> it was racial. let's be honest. racial. if he was -- trayvon was white, he had a hoodie on, would it have happened? that was around 7:00 or something. that's around that people walk their dogs and people stay outside. >> and it's really interesting to me that one of the things that went viral. the internet was a blaze this weekend but one of the things that went viral as i'm sure you saw, mark, was a sketch of martin luther king jr. with a hoodie on. >> absolutely. i appreciated that sketch because it reminded us of is this idea that anyone could be trayvon. what george zimmerman saw was not some young punk. he didn't see somebody who may have been raiding houses. he saw a black body he immediately saw as a suspect and ultimately worthy of lethal force and that is scary to me. the fact they weren't talking about race in that jury room is also scary to me because they should have. yes, the judge gave instructions
not to. i think you're right about that but for me the prosecution didn't weave a narrative from the beginning to force them in bthis in racial terms. even if he don't use the language of race we still smuggle in the tone and tenor of race by the way we construct trayvon martin. >> i want to bring in robin kelly a democrat from he will now. good to see you. thanks for being here. you know civil rights leaders are meeting as we speak and calling for the justice department to bring civil rights charges against george zimmerman. reverend al sharpton organizing the vigils across the country to show support. i want to play what eric holder said yesterday. >> as parents, as engaged citizens and leaders who stand vigilant against violence across the country, the deltas are deeply and rightly concerned about this case. the justice department shares your concern.
i share your concern. >> congresswoman, i'm sure you have been hearing a lot from your constituents. what is your priority here? >> i definitely support the doj investigating and doing everything they can do to see what the issue was with the case even though we know what the issue is. i represent a portion of chicago and, as you know he, we have been dealing with a lot of urban gun violence and really my concern is with all due respect, all due respect to newtown and arizona and the mass murders, i think there need to be more voice given to the everyday many massacres that are occurring in the urban cities and attention needs to be paid to that. i think it sends a message also that we need to invest in our youth, jobs and education and those kind of things but i do see this case as an injustice. as the juror said, if he would have stayed in his car, we might not be talking about this.
if we didn't have laws like stand your ground. i hope people protesting, yes, you can be angry but take action and look at who you're electing in office. young people, registered to vote, make sure you vote and do your homework because, you know, depending on who your legislator is, these kind of laws will be established in these states. >> let me ask you particularly what the department of justice can and should do. i think if you take to most legal experts who understand the federal law, the bar is really, really high. it's difficult. would you support bringing charges no matter what even if it didn't look likely there would be a conviction? >> i don't know. is it worth it to really go through that if you thought it wasn't going to bring a conviction? i know the bar is really high. i definitely support the investigation but i want to see what the investigation brings. >> it's unlikely it will bring what we need. civil rights cases like this almost require a kind of smoking gun. it would almost have to be
george zimmerman making a very committed and articulate decision to pursue trayvon on the grounds of race. it doesn't work that way and why this is so messy and complicated. most racialized acts of violence don't act in was that clean-cut. he may have seen trayvon and seen a hoodie and a black kid and said he looks suspicious. consequently that is a racial thing. it's hard to have the smoking gun necessary for a civil rights investigation and i don't think it's going to happen but i think we need to have a bigger conversation why race matters. >> there is a separate conversation going on and it started, frankly within minutes after the verdict. saying we need to look at the laws on a state-by-state basis and how we need to approach this. if you heard that juror, congresswoman, she said she believed george zimmerman and everyone has a right to carry the gun as long as they are responsible. is it reasonable to think you can avoid something like in this the future by changing the law
in central florida where there is a gun culture? can you do it in illinois? >> frankly, let me step back. i worked on local government 13 years and involved in neighborhood watches. i've never heard of a neighborhood watch where people are carrying guns. you're not the law. you're not law enforcement. you're a neighborhood watch person. so the idea that he was even carrying a gun and also -- >> but the law allows him to do that. >> right but we are learning more about him and his propensity to call 911 all the time and those kind of things should he even have been carrying a gun? should he have a gun? >> these are part of the larger conversations and i wonder if, alexis, there is a point where maybe there needs to be a more focused conversation. right now there is a lot of different conversations and they are all important. >> yes. >> but to get something done, does this need to be a united front and united agreement as we see the naacp meeting today? do they need to say here is
where we are going to target our efforts and where we think we can be most effective? >> one of the beautiful things about that image of dr. king wearing trayvon's hoodie it's a symbol of what some people call the trayvon movement. when his family have spoken about this and the parents tweeted their response, they kaued about this, the trayvon movement. his son is definitely the symbol. this. the image of trchlt king is wearing a hoodie is symbol of this. i think it seems desperate energies all over the place and some people are acting violently but for the most part i'm seeing an effort across the cities and people on the grassroots level and political level gearing up to attack a lot of different items, a lot of different elements that have led to this situation. one is the stand your ground laws. one is looking at civil rights legislations in difference states. one is people getting involved in local community. as the congress woman was saying addressing the needs of young people and adjusting why people react in a violent way and what
is up with our gun culture. it's happening in many places but it's coming together in the movement under the trayvon movement. people are talking about it. it's not being reported on in an integrated way. >> i think what you can't ignore is the number of people who came out that night. >> yes. >> and who have come out since then. if you were in new york city you saw the numbers just growing and growing and growing as people marched from union square up to mid-town. we saw it in cities all across the country. dynam congresswoman, how do you harness that energy? >> you gather people. we are having not a gun summit but urban violence emergency summit in chicago on july 26th. as i shared we are working on an advocacy day and having them speak to congress. i think the pressure needs to
come from all entities, all ages, all races. i've gotten calls from many of my friends and some are plaque and some are not and a lot of people concerned about this but i think it needs to be an organized concerted effort and i think that is what they are trying to do today but we all need to work together and kind of sing from one choir. >> we are out of time but i want to ask you this one sort of big question very quickly. do you think that we're at a turning point, however horrible so many people think that this outcome has been, is it enough to motivate a change in a world where african-american parents still feel they either have to tell their sons to stay indoors or always be completely differential whenever they are out and be very careful where engineer they are? >> i say no. >> not at a turning point? >> i don't think so. as hopeful as i am that we will get to that point, black death still doesn't stimulate policy
changes. it still doesn't stimulate radical social change. i'd love to see people organize and mobilize like last week but i don't think we are there. >> i think they are becoming active than they have been and they will fuel a new movement. that will be a trayvon movement and a continuation of the civil rights movement. >> i hope so. >> i'm in between them. like what happened with newtown, everybody was so angry, mad and then 90% of americans want universal background checks and we still don't have it. >> congresswoman kelly, thank you so much. alexis and mark, thank you for coming in and an important conversation we will continue. we have live pictures from chill will senators are making a push for gillibrand's bill to remove the chain of command from military sexual cases. senator gillibrand has led the charge to create a new system
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the board is in favor of making the change to a simple majority as well as you. they call it a modest standpoint step. but harry reid was against it when he was in minority. there are people as you know who say this is going to destroy the senate. the senate is supposed to be sort of the big guys. they are supposed to be the voice of reason as compared to the house. what about those arguments? >> i don't view the voice of reason as 400 filibusters as this has been under harry reid. the abuse of the filibuster is as bad as any sort of abuse of minority rule that is the traditional argument for the filibuster. under lyndon johnson there was one filibuster versus 400 under
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day. >> in 100 cities, people will gather in front of federal buildings and federal courthouses for one hour to have rallies and vigils, calling on the department of justice to resume aggressively a civil rights investigation in this matter. >> also this morning, the zimmerman verdict is topic number one at the naacp annual convention in florida. nbc's craig melvin is life in orderly for us. we know civil rights leaders have expressed great disappointment about this verdict. is there a strategy emerging what they plan to do forward? >> reporter: right now, the strategy seems to be the online petition. 980,000 is the number of signatures that that petition has garnered. this is the petition that was placed on online. the naacp placed it online after the not guilty verdict came down
and it's a petition urging the justice department to take action. eric holder, of course, the keynote speaker here this afternoon. he is scheduled to address the ruffle 4,000 delegates at 4:00 this afternoon and he will be talking about the not guilty verdict but we are also told he will be talking about voting rights as well. i've spent some time talking to convention goers here. specifically young convention goers. some of the youngest members of the naacp. i ran into a group of eagle scouts. we talked about why they were here at the convention. we talked about that not guilty verdict and we also talked about moving forward. take a listen. >> we felt a sense of hopelessness. me personal, i took from it that we have to move on and move forward. we can't sit and wallow in what has happened and learn from it and continue to progress and move forward. >> reporter: again, he's talking, of course, about the
verdict and moving forward. and we are going to continue to talk to folks throughout the day, chris. as you indicated, that's what everyone here continues to talk about, that not guilty verdict. we should know, the naacp wants to make sure this is a convention that is covering other things as well. voting rights act is, of course, a hot topic. sean donovan is here, the h.u.d. secretary and talking about predatory lending and kathleen sebelius is here talking about obama care. this is the 104th annual convention for the naacp here in orlando. >> craig, thank you so much. gregory zimbabweman was not prosecuted on the basis of stand your ground but that phrase was in the jury instructions. one of the six women who found george zimmerman not guilty, juror b 37, speak to cnn and suggested it was key to her decision. >> because of the heat of the moment and the stand your ground. he had a right to defend himself. if he felt threatened that his
life was going to be taken away from him or he was going to have bodily harm, he had a right. >> i'm joined now by hillary shelton, senior vice president for polly and advocacy for the naacp and lisa graves, executive director for the center for media and democracy. when george zimmerman's lawyers relied on a self-defense strategy, his lawyers tenant talk about stand your ground but the jury was instructed, quote. if george zimmerman was not engaged in an unlawful activity and was attacked at anyplace where he had a right to be. he had no duty to retreat and had the right to stand his ground. >> what do you think of that in terms of making stand your ground central to this decision? >> well, that law was put into place by the nra in 2005 and legislated by a council at a
closed door meeting in 2005 where corporate lobbyists voted as equalists to make that a national model and taken into states nationwide and it has been pushed into law in more than two dozen states. even though the zimmerman defense did not request immunity based on that law in florida as you point out, the jury was instructed about that and that is a dramatic change in the law, to say a person doesn't need to retreat and a person can stand his ground and george zimmerman had no duty to retreat and stand his ground makes it easier for people to get away with killing other people. that is not all the law does. the law also provides immunity from civil suit. when george zimmerman's lawyers said they would not invoke immunity in that case they would invoke it in a civil case. what the nra has pushed is that a judge ruling in favor of george zimmerman would basically then be requiring the trayvon's family, the victim, to pay george zimmerman's fees and lost
wages if the judge were to grant civil immunity under these terrible and immoral stand your ground laws that the nra backed for so many years. >> you said florida was the first to have a stand your ground law and now they are in more than 30 states. what is behind this push? what fueling it? >> i think it was pushed largely by the american legislate exchange counsel. it bragged on how it was pushing these bills into effect. the nra clearly was also boasting to its memberships about pushing these bills into effect. i think it's part of the agenda that these corporate benefactors have made possible in this country while a lot of people weren't paying attention to these laws going into effect but that is not alec has done. he has also pushed to make it harder for americans to vote through voter i.d. restrictions and harder for workers to organize and this is part of a much broader agenda that is going on in our statehouses. as bill mauer said this is the most powerful organization most
team pooem have never heaeople . >> organizes like yours, hillary, have been obviously upset and determination to change things. i know there has been a lot of talk about attacking these laws state by state. for example, under texas law, a person can use deadly force to retrieve stolen property at night and there was a recent case where a man shot a paid escort because she refused to have sex with him and wouldn't return the money he paid and was acquitted. when you look at these cases and you start to read about them it almost seems overwhelming. how do you even start to plot strategy when we are looking at laws in stand your ground, for example, in more than 30 states? >> a couple of things. first when we look at this we are looking at the balance of self-defense in our country and very clearly something broken about it. whether it's the stand your
ground laws that exacerbate like in florida and many other states are whether the state laws say if someone is attacked, they can very well be found -- they can very well be murdered after they attacked if they show some defense if the person kills them. that is what happened, quite frankly, in the trayvon martin case. trayvon had someone stalked him and aattacked him. because he was skuuccessful in defending himself. at the point you killed them did you feel your life was threatened and you experienced great bodily harm. is there a real problem with that because the only solution to the victim in that case is if you shoot first. we do not want to create a wild, wild west scenario in our country where you've got to decide who is coming close to you that is threatening your life. we need to have good, solid
sensible laws that protect all of our citizens from these kind of predators. >> i mean, the problem, saints it then you have to be able -- it's tough for the prosecution. you have to be able to establish a state of mind. so unless you have some incredibly detailed past history, it's very difficult when you heard the one juror who has spoken, she basically thought that george zimmerman made a bad decision sort of in the heat of the moment as opposed to to having race have anything to do with it. >> that's exactly right. and living in a society in which, for some reason, race seems to exacerbate a heightened sense of fear too often, especially with we talk about african-american young men. the question is whether it is a rational approach or decision that their lives are threatened but we have been seen too many cases where people were rational when can tames to areas of race and particularly young or teenage african-american males. >> thanks to both of you being
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