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there are moments when serious parties presidential candidates can emerge. we may by a proeching one of those moments. also, we'll head out to the plains of iwest virginia ted cruz spoke there last night and is uniteing, killing pheasants there today, excuse me. the gop establishments have been taking a shot at him. it's a big problem for republicans and we'll discuss it. also on up against the color we made history last week with our highest score ever in our first ever jackpot winner. now three new contestants will one up there. brian, they are coming for you. first, i want to start in 1961, it was a hopeful time in america, john q. kennedy, the new frontier and generation, a new idea for how to foster good will throughout the world. >> the vanguard of peace corps volunteers who will fan throughout the world in undeveloped countries starts training in rutgers university. a visual examination is first on the agenda for the youths
seeking to fill 64 vacancy, on their first day the group of unpaid volunteers gathers to hear the peace core director. he calls it the most important project the u.s. has attempted in a decade and says its success could mean much to democracy. >> ah, the peace corps, a mainstay of the american health service in the last half century, in 1961, it was brand-new, just being launched. it hit some snags. here is a postcard written in 1961 by a 23-year-old peace corps volunteer in foxboro, pennsylvania, before the home of the patriot, they were playing at boston university back then. anyway, once you have reached her assignment in nigeria, she wrote home at the quote squalor and primitive living conditions rampant in the cities and the bush. everyone excepts us lives in streets, cooks in streets, even goes to the bathroom in streets. not a flattering picture of the
host country. since she wrote this on a postcard, not a letter, someone in nigeria spotted it, published it. it caused a national uproar, there were protests, loud demands for the expulsion of peace corps volunteers the stereotype of the ugly american. back in the united states, critics of the new program, there were plenty of them. they claimed vindication. theyt this sending young naive idealists was a waste of money. it was a waste of money that will make foreign relations worse, here was the proof they had been searching for t. volunteer that wrote that postcard was eventually sent home. the director of the peace core sergeant schriefr vowed it would carry on, anyway, there were some boo-boos, the new york times published an editorial staying we wish we could expect the ill wishers to display equal
balance by not labeling it a club for the peace corps program. no way, this is the story of every big new government program. there are going to be glitches, small problems, big problems, embarrassing incidents, things that no one thought were going to go wrong are going to go wrong. things people should have known are going wrong will go wrong. they will be mannedr handed plenty of clubs to attack the programs with. all those early claims of vindications from opponents is full of examples of them adding up to nothing. when people think of the peace core today, not many of them are still asking if theny algerian postcard incident means the program can't work. this is all essential to keep in mind right now, a little more than three weeks into the implementation of obama care. it began october 1st, especially now the shutdown chaos is over, you have heard all the very real problems with it. the many very real problems.
americans are having when they go online to try to sign up for the exchanges. when the history of obama care is written some day, what we are living through may end up being more than a footnote. president obama is adamant that the website issues are being resolved. yesterday, the administration announced a new absolute deadline, said the exchanges will be fully functioning on the online portion november 30th. americans n and the individual market will somewhere no problems shopping for the competitive priced insurance plans they were created to sell. if that does happen, then the story of obama care chaos as defining news coverage right now will rapid give way for the story of a triumph of a new program doing exactly what supporters promised it would do. that history hasn't been written yet. the website horror stories could be a temporary pr story for the administration.
the success of the obama care rests on getting young, healthy people in particular to sign up for these exchanges. they can sign up vibrant risks, making it affordable for everyone. if the website isn't working or the stories of the website not working scare off would be customers, then that is a threat to the risk people. a threat to the risk pool is a threat to the heart of the law. there is still plenty of time here. december 15th is the first deadline for people looking to buy insurance exchanges. march 31st is the final deadline before the individual mandate kicks in. they wrote yesterday, the administration spent all of this year pointing to october 1st. to that opening of the exchanges as a huge critical test of the law's success. no one said the success was letting kids underage 26 stay under their insurance plan. no one said it was regulating insurers covering preventative care. instead, everyone in the white house shared a singular definition. success meant a setting up the
exchanges and attracting enough young people that premiums stayed low. so that's the question this morning. are we experiencing the normal frustrating headaches that come with the launch of aniny program or something more ominous happening here? what can the president, his team, congress, what can anyone in walk or anyone anywhere in the political system do to shake that history in real time. i want to ask my panel about that this morning. we have, the co-host of msnbc ""the cycle." a show i have heard. we have rebecca cinderbrand, the editor for politico, reverend joe watkins, a former white house aid to former president h.w. bush, susie kim a fascial reporter for msnbc.com. so there is a couple directions i sort of want to go with this i guess right now,let start with the bakes the white house yesterday came out saying, okay,
look, the exchanges, the online portion, the enrollment opened october 1st. we have all these massive website problem, we are convinced and will guarantee by the end of november, these problems will be resolved. can you go online, get your insurance exchanged, obama care can be a success. i guess two, questions, susie, given they couldn't meet this october 1st deadline, how confident should we be they will be able to turn this up and around by mid-november? >> it is a really opened questionment i mean, as we've seen as we learned more, there are really serious problems that are plaguing this site and the reason that ended october deadline is so important is because basically, their insurance plans that don't meet the new requirements of obama care that basically have to have certain essential benefits that are covered and so forth. those plans are going to be
dropped on december 31st and people basically have to have the insurance that by december 15th, they'll be able to sign up for insurance to be covered on january 1st. that's the reason that this time line, you know, not just for the bigger political reasons of is obama care going to succeed or not, that's the reason that dead lean is so important. >> rebecca, in terms of meeting that deadline right now, there is sort of a political question here. there is a lot of noise in the air in general of all the problems people are having with this. should we be confident in your mind the deadline can be met? >> the interesting thing is uconn traft this to the role of october 1st, the administration was at pains ahead of that deadline to say, it's down, october 1st is not a big deal. they didn't have any huge kind of launch events per se. they wanted tocy, this is just the starting point. this will be a six month marathon, not a sprint. when you set these hard and fast deadlines, that sets them up again for a sense of disappointment, if, indeed, the
technical wrap-ups are not met. there is a hope they will be. but will is no sense that there is any actual concrete definitive plan to enit by those dates. >> i wonder what you are thinking about this. i know you are a supporter of the law. at the same time, it's under attack here in a political context, where there are plub republican, opponents who have never been for the law at all and are hoping for it to fail and are latching on to this. at the same time, if you want this law to work, this website, not just the website, itself, the whole sort of online infrastructure that will allow individual to go out and buy private health insurance, that's the heart of the law, this has to work or six months from now, we will be talking about how the costs of the premiums will be a lot higher. >> that's my frustration here is that we have with really no excuse and for no good reason given the republican opponents a club to beat us with, right, as you were talking about and even
if we look back at historical examples of things going wrong and certainly things go wrong in big government programs all the time. we know over 19 million people have visited this site. in that time, we have to have a lot of missed opportunities for people to sign up for obama care. that's my frustration. i expected some glitches. i expected some minor problems that republicans would be all upset and hysterical about. i didn't expect it to be so bad the site crashed immediately and the information is wrong, the medicaid eligibility verification is not working properly. i mean, almost every piece of this has some sort of a problem. so do i ultimately think that obama care is going to be a great success and when we look down the road, you know, five years from now even, this will seem like an asterisk, yes, but we have taken a risk that was completely unnecessary and we have given our opponents who have acted in bad faith here,
right, the whole way? they're not playing fair. they're not playing by the rules, they're not looking at the facts. we have given them a weapon to use against this law. it was unnecessary, it was an unforced error. >> you are sort of maybe the opponent that chris will be referring to. you represent, you are a part of a political party that has made opposition to this law really the centerpiece of this agenda for the last few years. tell me i'm wrong, though, to be very cynical of what i heard, there was the congressional hearing the house hearing, you had republican voice of republican voice in this hearing who had voted to defund this law, shut down the government over the funding of this law, speaking about the outrage of consumers signing up for this law. i feel there is a sort of a disconnect will. am i wrong to see that? >> of course, in politic, people posture one way or the other. there is much to be won or lost based upon whether your side wins. at the end of the day, there is
no joy to be taken in the fact that the rollout hasn't been successful. there is no joy for anybody in the fact that it hasn't and you are right, just because the rollout has been a little rocky and there have been glitches early on doesn't pine it won't be up and working just fine in november or early december? and we'll all forget that the october rollout was so poorly done. >> that being said, the, we ought not wish ill on a program because we disagree with it. but what we ought to do is we ought to work to fix it, if there are things wrong wit. for instance, with regards to the individual mandate, maybe what senator manchin, a democrat are saying, republicans are saying, make sense, delay the start date here, so that you give people a chance, you give yourself some time as well. if it takes longer to fix the glitches than we think currently. yesterday, they said i think november 15th or somewhere there abouts. at least then if you delay the start date, you give people a
chance to not worry about having to 69 i sign up for the program. you give yourself a chance to make sure the program is fixed. then you can work on some of the issues in the program, republicans and democrats, that don't work for people. >> can i press that a minute? i think one of the reasons, the idea of making a change like you are suggesting, like joe manchin is suggesting, the reason there hasn't been a lot of enthusiasm, they made the change like on the business mandate early this year. what happened was they saw every republican fighting this thing just took that as a weapon to say, they, you know, look, this law is coming apart. this is a sign of failure, not as an opportunity to compromise and say, this is the law of the land, can you see the republican party getting to a point where every little clang to the law is not another indictment of the law, another reason it needs to repeal it. it's like, hey, this is the law. we want to work to improve it. can you see the republican party getting to that point? >> i'd like to see a much more civil tone.
it hurts america when the two parties are on each other's throats, and one side said we wish for the other side's failure, that doesn't help america move forward and if republicans return to power, it doesn't help republican, democrats will say, you didn't help us while we were here, we will work against you when you are in power. at the end of the day, we all benefit if republicans and democrats work together, what isn't working? is this bill -- this is now a law, obowl care or the o'fordable care act is now a law, with which we all have to live, how can we make it better for americans? what can we do for small american owners? what can we do for swloidz are upset about the individual mandate. folks that have insurance they like but because they aren't a part of a big company, they have their own plan, now they are being forced to sign up at a website that doesn't work. >> whoa, we got to jump out here. we will come back and be joined by one of the democrat who was on that house committee this
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>> so wunks again, we have my general colleagues. >> i will not yield. >> this is not a monkey court. >> do whatever you want. >> i'm not yielding. >> that was democratic congressman frank pelone's exchange at thursday's hearing e hearing about the obama care rollout t. new jersey democrat was chairman of the house subcommittee when the affordable care act passed. congressman, i have to say i
started covering politics in new jersey. i have been covering you more than ten years, i kind of saw a side i hadn't seen before. i think everyone watching the show saw that clip. maybe start by telling us, what was it that sort of set you off like that on thursday? why did you respond on thursday? what happened to you? >> it's sort of what you mentioned before, steve the republicans just came off almost a three-week shutdown, which was ostensibly because they wanted to delay or repeal the affordable care act. so they don't come to this hearing with clean hands. i didn't get the impression before or at the hearing that they wanted to fix this and get the affordable care act running so people could sign up. in that particular instance, congressman joe barten from texas was trying to scare people by saying, oh, your privacy will be impacted if you use this site. which is not true. if you scare spooem people, they don't use this site or sign up, as you said, they won't have people sign up and there won't
be enough people in the insurance pool to make it effective or affordable. my fear is always with the gop that they're trying to sabotage this whole effort and there is a lot of reason to believe. so, but there are. we started to outline this a little bit in the introduction at the top of the show. there are serious questions in terms of you look at how critical it is from the administration standpoint of making this law work, how critical it is to get people to sign up early so that rick pool works. we are dealing with three weeks of all sorts of nightmares and headaches with this. when you look at the calls from some democrats, joe manchin and democrats have said, look, given all this, let's extend the enrollment period past march 31st, what do you say to that? >> i feel now. you heard what came up yesterday, there is a real effort now to correct the website. i think three out of 10 people now who go on do end up getting enrolled. okay? they're standing there by
december 30th, it should be 100%. more people should get enrolled. the numbers will go up. i think the pressure is on now to get it going around make it work. i don't want to alleviate that by saying we will delay. the first thing i wanted to say, the committee chairman now. you saw i was the committee chair when the bill was passed. the republican chair, joe pitts came to the hearing saying before we started, we should delay this whole thing. i heard this so many times, i don't think they have clean hands. >> i will speak not as a republican, as a consumer, somebody that has to sign up for this new law and because we have our own, my wife and i have our own plan and i'm under pressure, my wife and i are under pressure to sign up now under this law. we are faced with what millions of americans are faced with, a website that doesn't work. we have been promised it will probably be out by the middle of november. if not, that doesn't mean we will have a tough time beginning coverage in january. to delay it.
>> the problem is this. i listened to you before, you are well intentioned, unlike some of my colleagues on the committee. >> is that there is too much emphasis on the website. can you still go to an insurance agent. you can call the 1-800-number. can you go to the community health centers. yesterday i was at the food bank in my district. i know the administration put all the emphasis on this website. in many case, that was misplaced. the website needs to be corrected. i believe it will in the next few weeks. people can sign up without going on the website. >> busy people that work every day and have jobs. i pastor a church. i run a school district. >> post-people used to go to an insurance agent to sign up for insurance. they can still do that. usually, they don't get charged for it. the insurance act gets paid as a part of the fee. so there is no reason why people can't get signed up. >> it's a courtesy. >> i want to make sure suscy gets if here. >> i think part of the reason,
there are other ways to sign up for obama care. really the people you are targeting are young, healthy people. they probably have never talked to an insurance broker, don't know who that is. they're used to shopping for things online. that's why that portal is so important. i was at that hearing that congressman melone gave comments on. i think you saw two lines, one from from congressman barton who raised an illegitimate question, as the congressman pointed out. >> that is definitely conservatives trying to mon open lies and sort of take advantage of this for political gain. on the other hand, you had congressman greg walding who said he didn't want this to be a failure and, in fact, managed to push the contractors to admit to the fact that the testing happened far too close to the deadline, it was only two weeks before the entire website had gone for testing.
>> that they did not believe that was enough time. >> that i believe is a legitimate question i think is worth. >> i don't disagree that it's important to get this website working again. are you totally right about that. i just think when the republicans come and say they want a delay, or they try to scare people and say tear privacy will be impacted. this is really an effort going back to what steve said before, of hoping that people are not going to sign up for this thing and, you know, one of the things, again, i know i keep putting blame on the republicans. i can't help it. i think it's true. remember the thing so many people are dependent on this federal website now the contractor said that's why it's kind of crashed because so many people were going on it, more than they anticipated. because it was anticipated there would be state exchanges for almost every state. where we have state exchanges like in new york, they are working. but the republican governors, you know, again, sabotaged that by insisting in most cases they
would not set up state exchanges, something like half the people in the country. >> two-thirds of the states yield to the federal government. >> this federal website is accommodateing all these people not anticipating. granted, i'm not suggesting that they should have done more testing and they got to get this right. will is no question about it. again, it was a sabotage in pushing everybody to this federal website. it shouldn't be that way. >> we are up against the clock. i want to ask quickly, we had the exchange, did you talk to him afterwards at all? >> sure, joe barton is a friend of mine. joe traditionally was a more moderate republican. i think now he is pushed to take the tea party stance. that's why i got upset. i know he is not normally that kind of a person. he is trying to scare people not to use the website with the goal ultimately that people wouldn't sign up, which is dangerous for the success of this. >> i think you are right, they would have had far more
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states. i am watching that hearing on thursday. i'm hearing all these republican congressman basically saying what an outrage this program, all these people can't sign up for it. it would seem to me that would make republicans happy, what is it you want to come out of this obama care enrollment phase? >> i think it's important business has the mandate delayed a year. we want to see they're treated the same way. it's unfair to pay more for health care as obama care. they should have the same business that obama has been playing to. >> do you want, right now, you guys tried to get rid of this and defund this, the government is opened the o'fordable care is still the law. given that reality. you look at those individuals who don't have health insurance. do you want them to seen up for this? >> i think there is a better what i to give them affordable health care. i think it's increased costs and taking away private insurance. i was talking about a concern, a
person was telling me his private insurance plan was taken away, it didn't hit the bottom obama care dictates. they should decide what they want to have instead of having it falsely increased go can i ask you? we seen these ads discouraging young people from signing up, do you think, historically the republican conservative argument has been you need to take personal responsibility and if you get caught without health insurance, that's kind of your fault because you weren't responsible. isn't it immoral to actually tell young people not to sign up for health care? >> i'm encouraging people to get a job. the obama economy prevented that. >> you think the ads yould mean quote opt down. you think that's a fine thing to do? >> i have nothing to do with those ads, young americans want to find a job that can get them the health care they need. i get health care through my employer. i'm thankful for that.
>> so if you are not employed, you don't deserve health insurance? >> i'm not saying that. let get the costs down, instead of making it unaffordable. >> but again there is a question here of, there's the philosophical, you know, what republicans say, i'm trying to figure out what the republican replace plan is, again, we are living in a world with the affordable care act the for seeable future is the law of the land. i'm watching how the republicans handle this week and i'm hearing outrage about the problems consumers are having, justifiable outrage, i'm wondering, are you telling people you should sign up for this? do you want this law to work? >> i want people to have health care and be responsible. the problem i'm facing is most americans can't afford obama care in the way it's being implemented. i think secretary sebelius needs to be fired and most importantly -- >> but it's just an individual right now who doesn't have
health insurance, right, let's say they're in a state. >> let's get a way that makes it easier and cheaper to get health care. let's not artificially inflate the price is what i'm saying. >> so my question actually from your original statements, it sound like what republicans want is a delay of the individual mandates. >> that then maybe they can get to work at repealing the entire law and replacing it with something that has yet to be specified. is that the objective right now? >> there are bills introduced in the house that have different ways of changing obama care and different ways of replacing it. the republican answer is to go piecemeal, step by step, instead of forcing americans like obama care was. >> the bill was passed through congress and we had another election. here's the thing that is frustrating me is we have a reality here. right. we have obama care. >> that is the law of the land. so what steve is trying to get you to say is do you think that
given the fact that we have obama care and that that is the option for young people that shea should sign up or they shouldn't? >> i think that's a personal choice for them this role is such a disaster. why wouldn't you delay it? they're causing themselves problems and look terrible in front of the american people. >> i think one of the questions i had is from the political perspective here. so we've switched. there is a pivot from the problems of obama care to this oversight role t. question becomes, the democrats had the flip sort of this problem. democrats would like to talk about solutions without talking about the problems. it seems like republicans would like to talk about the problems, the logical next step is to look for a solution. so are we going to see republicans talk about ways to fix obama care? >> you hear republicans talk about helping america. joe manchin delivered a bill, you will see republican support for that. i think what you will see is republicans pushing health savingingsks, like insurance
portability that will help reduce costs and make it easy for americans to be insured. >> crystal and frank were probably both drinking the same thing before the show, both fired up. thank you, i appreciate it. we'll pick up the discussion right after this. ng out... so you can understand every angle of your cash flow- last week, this month, and even next year. for seeing your business's cash flow like never before, introducing cash flow insight powered by pnc cfo. a suite of online tools that lets you turn insight into action.
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that where the white house and other democrats will feel we got to extend this a little bit? >> you are reaching a moment for the white house, they almost have less to feel from their political enemies than their friend in the sense that during the shutdown you saw this democratic unity, people were noting that everyone was in lockstep. now you come to this week and all of a sudden that has evaporated and you are seeing these again these democrats facing these tough 14 races are coming out saying maybe it's time to take a breather, maybe it's time to push back the individual mandate. the white house does have to worriant if they miss the october 30th deadline, the pressure from senate democrats and others on their own side that says, look, maybe we do need to take a breath and hold back. >> that's the ones. we can sit here at the start of the show and say, hey, lock, a lot of the big programs in the past have missed deadlines. we can say this thing can survive, if november 30th comes
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jim. >> what is the throne. >> that was an impressive performance. you probably won't see it replicated by the contestants on our game show. none of them know the questions ahead of time. we are probably an alcohol-free game show. there isn't any of that jack daniels to help anybody e anybody out. mech ryerson is somewhere in our audience, bill murray may or may not be making an appearance as a celebrity guest appearance on up against the clock that starts right after this.
take the el train to brooklyn, our contestants rebecca sinderbrand and joe watkins, a couple stops on metro north to scarsdale, fork, in west chester county, three-day wins, a personal website by healthcare.gov. say hello to susie and now the host of up against the clock, steve kornacki. >> oh, thank you, bill, thank you to our studio audience, thank you for tuning in at home here on up against the clock. joined today by joe an rebecca, two new challengers, welcome to both of you. welcome back to our returning champion susie going today for her fourth appearance in the winner's circle. i know you are all anxious to get started.
before we do, a quick refresher for those of you watching at home for the first time and how this all works. this is a rapid fire quiz show about the week that was in politics. there are three 100 second round in regulation play. questions are 100 in the first, 200 in the second, 300 in the third. it will get harder from round to round. there are also a few instant bonuses scattered throughout. these are follow-up questions, a no risk chance for you the contestant to double your winnings. contestants, remember, you will be penalized for incorrect answers. i will remind live, please, no outbursts, our contestants deserve an demand absolute concentration and an update for our viewers at home, once again, our race producer theresa will be keeping score off screen. and with that, i will ask uconn tes tants, are you ready to play? >> we are ready.
>> yep. >> they are ready. >> hand on buzzers, please, we'll put 100 second on the clock. the 100 point round begins with this. three dozen how republicans upset over the obama rollout asked this cabinet secretary, susie. >> sebelius. >> kathleen sebelius, they asked she be fired. this week, recalled for hillary, the super pack including hillary clinton's 2016 presidential bid received a 20 -- >> george soros. >> he is the billionaire who donated it for hillary. correct. 100 point question, on thursday, a passenger in an amtrak train overheard. rebecca. >> hadu. >> incorrect. on thursday, a passenger on an amtrak train overheard and tweeted about a series of off the record phone interviews given by journalists by the former head of what agency? >> the nsa. >> correct. >> instant bonus. name the former head of the nsa
who was involved in this? >> michael hayden. >> back with this, according to a new gallup poll, 58% of americans now say -- rebecca. >> legalization of marijuana. >> lauren marijuana. they say pot should be legal. >> that is correct. 100 point question, after boycotting it for four decade because of its portrayal of americans, former new york governor mario cuomo finally watched what movie this week? susie? >> the "goodfather." >> joey, a little assist. no points. 100 point question the white house accepted responsibility on thursday for a readout that resulted in a quote miscommunication. after this, democratic senator claimed on facebook a house senator told president obama i cannot, rebecca. >> durbin. >> durbin is correct. put on his facebook page the republicans said to obama, i cannot stand to look at you. that brings us to the end of the 100 point round, susie with 500
points, the early leader, rebecca with 100, i don't trailing at zero. no points on the assist there. >> this is rare. >> you can make it up fast. can you make it up fast. in the 200 point round, which begins with this. which oscar winning former mayor of caramel, california, was served with divorce papers this week, joe? >> arnold swaerg? >> incorrect. >> clint eastwood was the former mayor. 200 point. question. in a phone conversation wednesday, president obama informed what foreign leader that the nsa is -- joe. >> angela merck el. >> the form foreign leader not mongerred. correct. eyebrows were raised on wednesday when house leader nancy pelosi said her 2010 party's mid-term loss had nothing to do with what?
susie? >> the affordable care act. >> instant bo fuss, a chance to double that. how many seats did democrats lose in the house in 2010? >> 23? >> incorrect t. answer 63. they've lost 63 seats in the 2010 mid-terms. 200 point question, it was confirmed this week that through his wife's job at the investment bank gold man sax, rebecca. >> ted cruz. >> ted cruz's health care is paid through goldman sachs. that's correct. another 200 point question, according to a report thursday, greenwich, connecticut is the unlikely location in which this mayoral campaign's committee is established. susie. >> bill deblasio? >> encorrect. anyone answer it? time. the correct answer, joe lhota. the republican candidate. 200 point question this republican candidate for the u.s. senate in wyoming, brand branened john mccann quote a
liberal republican in a fundraising letter this week. >> cheney. >> rebecca. >> kaeven. >> liz cheney. for 200 points, at the end of the 200 point round, rebecca stormed into the lead. susan holding steady 500. joe at zero. getting out of negative territory, though. it is anyone's game. we are at the ph.d. round. this is for 300 points of question. this will decide the game and crown a champion. for 3400 for 300 points, president george w. bush contributed $5,000 to what senator facing a primary challenge next year? >> that's a good one. time t. correct answer is lend say graham. 300 point question. speaking at a college in buffalo, new york on wednesday, hillary clinton was interrupted by a heckler shouting at her about what? >> time.
correct answer is benghazi. 300 point question. this is the ph.d. round. in the 2002 movie "frieda" about the mexican artist. edward norton hosting "saturday night live" tonight portrayed which former new york governor and vice president to gerald ford. >> nelson rockefeller. >> correct. 300 point instant bonus for you, joe, when gerald ford ran for a full term in 1976, ford did not run with nelson rockefeller, instead chose this man as his running mate. >> bob dole. >> correct. it's a close game. 300 point question citing diplomatic memos, the post reported which government have secretly endorsed drone strikes in their country for years? rebecca. >> pakistan. >> correct. 300 points for rebecca. 300 point question, which
maryland gubernatorial candidate admitted this week he made a mistake stopped by >> ganslor. >> correct. >> according to reports this week, larry somers rejected an offer last weekend to lead the central bank of which foreign country, susie? >> israel. >> correct. i believe with that, susie, on the last question of the game has come from behind to win 1,100 points. rebecca with 1,000, joe with 600. this was the closest, the most white knuckle game we have had yet. >> good game. >> susie, congratulations to you. with that, you become our champion. you are actually our returning champion. bill wolf will tell you what you have won. >> as our champion, will you have your name printed in exquisite sharpee on the coveted up against the clock gold cup. you get the take the trophy home with you. show it off to friend, local, family and school children for one week. you will receive an appearance this week on msnbc's "the cycle"
airing 3:00 p.m. eastern time. you get to play in our jackpot bonus round for today's grand prize of a $50 gift certificate t. most authentic european eating and drinking experience in new york city's historic east village. while there, get a tattoo or a piercing. back to you, steve. >> all right. susie, what a prize package we have for you there. for that jackpot, we have one question, this is make or break for you. your jackpot bonus question. this long time boston mayor with a famous pension for malaproppisms, he hopes the red sox will win the world series cup. . >> manino. >> correct. unbelievable. susan, congratulations. you have won the jackpot bonus.
you have won a $50 gift certificate to little po land. enjoy the pierogies. congratulations with 1,100 points as our winner, you will certainly be back for the tournament of champions, contestant crystal ball will be back with you in a few minutes. it was a close game. you gave us drama, excitement. you are getting the up against the clock home edition. thanks, for playing today. we'll be back with the real show right after this. .
having returned from a morning hunt in which i killed a python and antelope, yesterday i killed two antelope the day before a rhino an hippo, the day before that kermt his son killed a leopard, with i charged after him veshsly after mauling one of the beaters. this is a part of the story how teddy roosevelt became a part of american history's larger than life characters. we think of a former president signing on corporate mem wars, louj lounging on golf courses and building museums to themselves, once in a wheel they break from the mold like jimmy carter teaming up with habitat for humanity. nothing did wright like tr did in the year after he left the white house he was and still is the youngest ever expresident. in 1909, he departed for kenya and spent the next 13 months on a safari. he logged hundreds of miles on foot from kenya, sudan, and
killing animals. lots and lots of big animals, lions, rhinos, zebras and his favorite elephants. it was the purpose of the trip. when the trip was over there were more than 20,000 new natural specimens to add to the museum's collection. roosevelt kept the folks back home posted with a running journal. the magazine "skribners" was a big deal back then. he sailed to new york in june, 1910, he was greeted with a welcome. the whole idea of leaving the country, the continent for 13 months after he left the presidency was for roosevelt to get away from politics and to get out of the way and hand pick his successor as president. william howard taft. once he was back in america, it was almost immediate. tr started speaking out on politics and found himself more and more at odds with taft. those two men roosevelt and taft
symbolized what was then a deep split in the republican party. on the one side were the progressives. they wanted reg laegss to protect workers. they liked unions, they believed in cons vacation, roosevelt, the trust buster president was their man. on the other side, there were the conservatives, friendly to business and finance, speshs of labor, uninterested in expanding the franchise. they were the old guard and were with taft. those two sides, roosevelt's progressives and taft's progressives went to war in 1912. they were a brand-new concept. few sides had them. they were a reform progressives like roosevelt championed. the 12 state primaries, not surprisingly roosevelt nearly swept them t. real power was in the back rooms. at the national convention in chicago, taft flexed hess muscle. one top official owed his job, owed his prestige or career to
the taft white house. it was enough to when the nomination and enough to push him over the edge. last night his delegates walked out and rechristened themselves as the progressive party. they nominated for the office of president theodore roosevelt. roosevelt won the company that fall, at least figuratively speaking. he drew massive crowds. modern art of presidential companying was created by thee roosevelt. days before the election he was shot and walked into the theater anyway and delivered his 90 minute speech. no question t. split in the republican party was fatal. he edged out taft 27 to 23%. it made it simple for the democrat to coast to the white house with fro% of the vote. the politicians like theodore roosevelt are rare. so are elections like 1912 when the engreedents are in place to
when serious support. something similar has happened a few times. strom thirmd r thurmond won as a nominee in noon 48. george wallace grabbed 13% of the vote nationally that year. he remains the last third martied the who won electoral votes. also john anderson in 19 y. he got about 6%. ross perot grabbed 30% in the fall of 1992. he would have done bet fer he had not cracked up during the election. we are hearing how it will bring a third party uprising. because of the way our system works, i don't think we will see a serious perm fant third party in this country. i'm starting to wonder maybe we're approaching one of those rare moments where it is possible it will happen the next election t. one in 2016. this is the most recent nbc news-"wall street journal" poll. they asked how they handled the
standoff. the republicans say they identify with the tea party approve 72 to 25% how the republican party behaved. the republicans who aren't a part, disapprove, their own party, 49 to 42%. how about what they did to ted cruz? tea party republicans love him. >> that 52 to 4%. non-tea party republicans, his numbers are upsidedown there. here's the thing. about as many of the republican voters say they are. it's a real dividing lean in the party these days. subjects one after another are very different. the question is how deep? are these republicans who share the same big picture division and philosophy and are divided on tactics and style? are these the makings that fueled teddy roosevelt years ago? here we have joe watt kens, susie kim the raerning up against the clock champion. msnbc former champion.
from charmtsville, virginia, somebody who will be on up against the clock some day we hope. larry sabato, he is the author of "the kennedy presidency" and he is the director of the university of virginia center for politics. larry, i guess i'll start with you. we had that long introduction there looking back at 1912. as i say, there have been a few other instances. it's never the story of the creation of a permanent third party. a third marty could be viable for one election. when you look at water playing out in the republican party right now this tea party, non-tea party divide, i'm curious what you see? do you see the makings of a one-time party eruption there or is it something else? >> steve, i think it can happen. i think the republicans may be headed for a crackup. i don't think it will happen after the mid-terms in 2014, they'll do well enough to stay
together. it could happen after 2016. i don't think it will happen during the 2016, though i could be wrong. if they elect a president, then that president can hold them together. if they don't elect a president, though, whoever they nominate, that's when the crackup might come. look, one difference in similarity with the taft-roosevelt example that you used i think correctly is we live in hyper partisan times. the only way you could have the republican party crack up and say have two candidates or a splenter candidate is for both of them to call themselves the real republican nominee and i think that's the way it will happen if it happens. >> i'm just curious, leak you are talking about this as a post-scent e 2016 thing, that's interesting. when you look at that tension, i'm thinking ahead to 2015 and 2016 and you look at the sort of the absolutist side, the tea party side, if it looks leak they are losing control of the party. they sense themselves losing
control of the party, chris christie is wrapping up the endorsements like george w. bush did years ago, could you see a moment even in 2016 the pea party type saying, look the skids are greased here, we're sick of nominating romney, mccain, christie, these types, something needs to happen in 2016? >> yes, i think that's absolutely true. i think it's more likely after 2016, if they lose a third presidential election, it is possible. you mentioned the scenario thatmatics the most sense to me, chris christie looks like a moderate conservative, to the pea party, he's going to look leak athousand thy liberal. i don't know how they live with that. i think they would try to join forces with the libertarian wing of the party and find somebody who could represent that tea marty libber taern strain, gee, somebody like rand palm or ron paul or who knows. >> yeah, that's a scenario that i see as most likely, too.
i think it's pretty tough for someone like chris christie to get through a republican primary at this point. but if the other sort of splits the more hard line group and it did look like they were going to end up with a moderate, i think that could be the problem. right now the tea party has such control over the republican party, they can hardly be dissatisfied enough to actually splinter off at this point, don't you think, larry? >> well, that assumes pure rationality. and i'm not sure it's always there. but in a sense, i think they can make the argument, that is the leaders of the republican party can make the argument for one more try. you know, normally in american history, a party that has been shut out for eight years, running against the same candidate as the republicans have been against obama, they can hold together for one final try to take over.
it's when they lose the third time, they get the third whack on the head with a 2 x 4 that they really either weak up and start adjusting to political reality or they go into the netherlands and i don't know which one will happen to the republicans. >> i think you raise a good point, i think that obviously if things don't work out in 2016, that that's going to be hard for the republican party. i think a lot depends on the field of candidates in 2016 and how they shape up in 2014 and 2015 and how large that field is, how incredible that field is, how much money they raise. if you have a number of candidates, a large number of candidates who are tea party keendz of candidates membersed in with a few candidates who may not be tea party or more establishment republicans, it's possible for the party to end up uniteing around a nominee and because whoever the nominee, they will have to in order be
competitive to move back to the center for the fall election. it is likely you will get somebody who can get through primaries, if there is a crowded field. they have a lot of tea party candidates. >> that's the interesting scenario, too, if there is a ted cruz, rand paul, maybe that works to chris christie's benefit. >> absolutely. one of the big questions that a lot of people have had is the empact the tea party could have in a general election, whether they pull enough votes to make a difference one way or the other, it had huge impact in the primary process obviously, when it comes to the general, whether they can mobilize voters, particularly when it looks as though voting for a tea party candidate is a democratic president. >> 1912 is where the extreme example of this. really, that republican vote was totally split there. it was a cakewalk for the democrats. we will pick this discussion up on the other side in just a
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>> we are talking about can the republican party hold itself together until the 2016 election? i think one thing i'm wondering about, we look at this divide tfx non-tea party side, if there is a poster side, it would be chris christie, he is the moderate. that's the rep taegs at least. i look at how mitt romney won the republican nom nation last year. it occurred he had the moderate applied to him. own ideological position was he acknowledged this was a conservative party. i'm going to endorse the tow
party position. they called them a moderate. he didn't give them much am nation to work for employ in 2016. he says, yeah, he takes on the tea party position. >> chris christie is a very popular and effective governor of a blue state. that's a powerful thing for a republican to be elected twice as a governor of a blue state dominated by democrats and he gets there because of the fact that he's honest. he's not. you can't put him into a box. >> he gets there, he doesn't have to play washington, d.c. if they did it like us in trenton. but, susie. >> no, it was interesting during the republican primary, you had this, just looking at the polls, like everyone had their 340e789 and fell away. romney basically won because he managed to be the last standing. we are seeing cruz as the face of the tea party right now. two knows how long this will
last. they have this, there is an article in the national journal this week, that said basically conservatives like to kill their darlgs, for whatever reason, ted cruz for instance opposes some spendb cuts to medicare, they're ways ret torically as is strident he seems, this ideological pass has all these candidates rise and fall very quickly. >> i wanted to ask about that romney math. i'm curious, he had that strange path. when he was the inevitable nominee, he is losing to rick santorum. you can see states like illinois and new york he could win, mississippi and kansas he would get clobbered in. do you think the same basic divide that existed if 2012, romney was able navigate.
is the republican party divide or has it shifted in the years since then, do you think? >> well, steve, i think the leadership has shifted. they figured out what they have to do which is broaden the party's appeal. they just have one problem. the base doesn't agree with them at all. they still say romney was too moderate or even liberal and, of course, he wasn't. if you examine his position, he had abandoned his moderate past. they said the same thing about mccain. you know, steve, here's the fundamental problem for the republicans. they're not just divide about issues. they're divide about attitude. a large group in the party is suspicious even a very conservative senators like mcconnell or john kornin of texas, simply because they know the street grit in washington. >> i think you know one of the interesting things when you look at that chris christie matchup as you are talking about is the contrast with romney on style the sense that chris christie,
like ted cruz, takes the fight to democrats. he's not afraid to get out there and scrap. i think that kind of tonal difference is a very important distinction and very important for republicans in the primary process, do you think it's enough to get them to overlook if policy heresy? >> larry, do you have a -- >> well, i think that's a part of it. also, i think let's get down to bakes. whether the republicans stay united will depend on how much they hate the democratic nominee for president in our politics, hate is much more powerful than love. fear is much more powerful than hopech maybe that's me because i'm in my 60s. but i think that's true, especially in this polarized era. >> on a tee-shirt. >> i want to thank larry sabato, from the university of virginia. ladies and gentlemen, you have heard about the poisonous rock bottom, never lower than this poll, the national republican
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. >> in may of 2001, republicans barely had control of the senate. it was split down the middle. vice president dick cheney was president of the senate tie breaking vote, that was the month may 2001 when vemplt's jim jeffers announced he was leading to become an independent and would then caucus with the democrats, meaning they suddenly had control of the senate. this was a few months into the george w. bush presidency, a few months before 9-11 and the disputed election of 2000. it was a huge deal, a big blow to the white house. a huge boost to democrats, who have been completely locked out of power but had a way to fight the republican administration. two days after that jeffers switch, there were reports that tom daschle was having secret meetings with another republican, he was initially wooing the senator and seeing what assignments he could get to
get him to make this unhappy republican come over to the democratic side? in one weekend, those meetings were reported to be taking place at the arizona cabin of senator john mccain. he was the guy looking to jump ship. in the world of early 2001, early american politics, this was not exactly a surprise, mccain was so furious with bush how he lost the republican nomination for president a year earlier, he was entertaining offers to become a democrat. we all know it didn't happen the idea seems totally ridiculous now and seems like something that could have happened. it made all the sense in the world back then. if you take the long view of his career, you will see why. you will see a long parade of self re-inventions, it's not hard to track them to mccain. he holds a grudge like no one's business. in 2001, just after he lost the 2000 nomination to george w. bush. it had been an ugly campaign, bush had played dirty.
mccain took it hard. the republican base, bush's base was deeply suspicious of mccain, which helped explain how he emerged from that race as every favorite republican. he took that imagine a ran with it. he reinvented his own politics. john mccain of 2001 embraced a patient's bill of right, spoke out on climate change, introduced gun control legislation, bush's famous or infamous if you will 2001 tax cuts, mccain voted, no one knows. he run as an independent in 2004, there was talk he'd go farther and join the democrats. that's why no one shocked when his flirtations with daschle and the senate democrats kept it public. it's the point in 2004, he entertained the idea, an idea many democrats were openly promoting, they wanted. he joaned his friend john kerry on the democratic ticket that 84. mccain stopped short and returned to the fold t.
calculation was clear. the gom nomination was wide opened in 2008. mccain knew he could get it if he started playing with bush and the republicans. he went on to lose to barak barak and then came another self reinvention. in the obama era, he joined with the most anti-obama republican, the second time in eight years, mccain made himself the chief tormenter of a president he had been defeated by. when he and obama shared the stage at a health care summit in 2010, the president called him out on it. >> let me make this point, john, because we're not campaigning anymore. the election is over. >> i am reminded of that every day. >> now, suddenly, we seem to be looking at yet another john mccain, one who is motivated by a new nemesis. >> that is effective in his legislative agenda once again. battle lines were drawn on the floor of the senate this past
may. >> the senate is supposed to debate and discuss and give our passionate appeals and believes and put it to the will of the body. >> that itself the protection of the individual senator. not to just say we're not going to do anything. that's not the way the american people want us to act. >> it has been suggested that we are whacko birds. well, if that is the case, i will suggest to my friend from arizona there may be more whacko birds in the senate than is suspected. >> and since then, ted cruz and hid band have been the target of mccain's resentlet. mccain is pushing against ted cruz and cruz-ism. this week, pittsburgh cane said he is considering running for re-election if 2016. he will be 80-years-old. if he runs the campaign will be a pro london brawl with the tea party wing of his party. at lowest it could mean that. so let's talk about mccain right now and what he represents in the politics and the senate.
where that came from. i'm watching the coverage of john mccain right now. i'm thinking this is what i saw in 2001 and 2002 when he emerged again as the republican who gets up and says in the senate and public what democrats are thinking. it seems to me, i know everybody's motivations are complicated. i don't mean to cheapen this too much. i swear, these mccain pivots, can you trace them to grudges, against george w. bush, you can trace it to that. you can trace the behavior of 2009-2010 to the grudge against obama. i swear he has a grudge with ted cruz, maybe i'm being too cynical. >> i think there is a lot to that. this does animate him and where he is coming from. i don't think it's like an intentional thing like oh, i have to speak with this person. therefore, i will be here. i think it comes from a genuine place. i think it animates a lot of his politics. the one other piece i would throw in there. in 2010, we saw a different
mccain. he was running for re-election. he faced a strong primary calgary from the right. if he is running for re-election in 2016, we could see another -- >> i think a lot of this has to do with legacy. senator mccain knows he got close. he was the party's nominee. at this point now he has a chance from a legacy standpoint show americans who he is and how he can help the country move forward. we are in a very tough place as a country. put aside the label of republican or democrat. with rein a tough place, a place of tremendous impassee. so senator mccain has a chance to be the voice of reason to pass this impassee. >> he could have been a couple years ago. >> part of the reason you are seeing this now is because he has issues that he cares deeply about that are at stake right now. among them are the cuts, automatic cuts to defense. defense spending. everyone thought this was going to be the big bej e wedge for
republicans to convince them for sequestrations. then you have outlyers like mccain who are speaking out very strongly against those cuts and you have immigration reform. basically, this is the last possible chance that republicans could help something, pass something forward, house republicans have made it clear they're not going to pass the legislation. mccain, who was the face of the previous immigration fight has come out again supporting a bipartisan effort for. that so these are issues that are not only legacy issues, they're really on the front albertaner right now. >> let's play, this is how this sort of version of mccain is playing in republican numbers, this is sean hannity this past monday night, sean hannity talking about john mccain on fox news. >> i'm mad oughtion mccain, i'm mad at bob corker, all those guys, they could have stayed and if republicans would hold the line like the democrats hold their ranks and they could have done it on principal because this isn't bad for the country.
they would have won. >> i want more ted cruzs elected. >> yes. >> i want this conservative solution caucus formed. >> i guess what i'm wondering, rebecca is, susie makes a good point. you look at the sequester, you look at john mccain, lempbd say graham, these guys. i think his frustration with ted cruz stems from the part that he does not want it hurting the department of defense. ted cruz is one of the reasons it is, he's upset by that. i remember the experience of watching these republicans gain up on john mccain in 2000. i'm wonder, you get hannity going after him. you get cruz, could we see something similar, john mccain, a year from now, we are talking about a guy a lot more friendly like he used to be. >> that's exactly right. this is a dynamic. it start this pattern the more he has critics from the right. the more it reenforces this urge in him almost where he almost has to go. you've seen this before.
we also see that it's a role for him that allows him to take some measure of leadership in the party t. sense that he sees the party steered in the wrong direction. he becomes this voice people are turning to. the establishment is turning to now. the white house has seen it can work with as well. it allows a measure of the party it might not otherwise. >> i think there is almost something psychologic. here's my life experiences come from bethune. you cheer for the boston teams. go red sox, whatever. you come to new york. suddenly you are surrounded by these yankee fans. i dig my heels in. david, i'm a red sox fan. i lock at john mccain the same thing seems to be, it's probably true for a lot of politicians. >> one thing i will never forget and will always admire john mccampaign for no matter where he has been on the ideological spectrum. he is basically the only republican when someone stood up in a town hall meeting railing against, started in 2008 and was railing against the president
being what did she say a million? >> not an american, no, ma'am, that's not true. >> he stopped her. >> that i think is his core. i think at its core the guy is unafraid, he's fearless, he does i think hold a gruvenlth again, i don't think it comes from a sen cam oracle calculateing place. i think it comes from a genuine like red sox. >> i mean, a part of the key to what i'm suggesting is there is a lack of self awaiverness in pa way, he finds himself -- >> think about who john mccain is, though. he's an american hero who was a prisoner of war for how many years at the helm of the hilton. you emerge from that experience whole and strong and is resolved. i don't think that experience has left him. i think now he sees himself as one of the people that can be the voice of the republican party going forward the voice of the senate to bring reason and order to the senate body in these last years of his term as
a u.s. senator. >> yeah, it's interesting to see, to have seen mccain during the shutdown fight. he feels inspired. he feels compelled to speak out in a way that he thinks he'll call a spade a spade. one of my favorite phrases he used earlier this year was denouncing the tea party hobbit, basically saying they should go back to middle earth? this is the old maverick mccain the one who isn't afraid. >> self consumption. >> it definitely is. i think we see him act into that role, enjoying the fight. >> the thing he will never say, maybe years from now, he'll even note it will open after it passes, one thing we never talk about, did i make a mistake with sarah palen? how did that affect my legacy, i wonder how much is on his mind privately, how can i do something about to erase i introduced sarah palen to politics sting anyway.
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♪ >> if you read the new york times, well, that's your first problem. but if you read the new york times, they will tell you that this battle accomplished nothing. let me tell you i think collectively, i think we accomplished a great deal. [ applause ] >>. >> if anyone thought ted cruz would fall off a off to a corner to lick his wounds, he doesn't seem to think he has any wounds, it isn't hard to see why he thinks that. he was at the iowa party in iowa. a coveted state a key stop for a republican, maybe possibl st of considering a run for the
white house. cruz made a triumphant return home to texas earlier this week a rally arranged by a tea party group. cruz didn't even rule out another shutdown. quote, there will be time enough to talk about specific strategies and tactics, what i think is critical we think front and center the need to stop obama care. it isn't working for millions of people. he told newspapers he hates avocados something that may have been relevant during the ordering phase of tea party renegades that cruz organized at the capitol hill restaurant tortilla coast t. fact that i hate the avocado thing, another shutdown thing, for republican, they all happened in iowa. >> that is what has happentured our attention this morning. iowa is the fertile ground for candidates who can appeal to party activists. it gave rick santorum a narrow win. to state mike huckabow a run
four years before that. the state has a strong more pragmatic government establishment. there are signs like the establishment in washington is trying to find a way to tamp down cruz and cruz-ism. what we see in iowa illustrates their challenge. the base of the republican party still locks at cruz and likes what he sees. that to me is sort of if you are a republican nationally or hoping we will avoid the shutdown brinksmanship we had the drama we had the last few years in moving the republican party back in a functional direction, you got to be concerned by what you see in iowa this week. ted cruz goes out there, the governor like 20 years before, he is back now t. quintessential establishment in iowa. he made it clear he is not excited to see tom cruz in this state. the establishment figures make it clear they don't want ted cruz speaking for them. they sold out this dinner,
activists came to hear ted cruz. he said we actually got there. they applauded him. i think it's a huge disconnect in the republican party right now between the direction that the mccain types are taking. >> i definitely agree. i think part of the reason is that you have to remember the shut down u down, ted cruz became the face of it. it wasn't just ted cruz. heritage action is one, freedom works is another. even though public opinion genuinely is turning against the tea party. they encouraged people along the state the local level. they may not represent the level of americans, their views may not be popular. they are engaged and they are active and mad at the establishment. they think the republican establishment sold them out when they decided to band together to end the shutdown. >> we showed the poll earlier, the non-tea party divide. what we have seen is the extent
that the tea party people vote and the chaos we have seen. it sure doesn't seem to me the tea party base looked at those record low poll numbers and said, oh, no, we can't go through this again. >> we have to see in 2014, it will be a very important year. every member of congress is up, the house is up for re-election. a whole number, a good number of senators are up as well. that will be an important year in getting a sense for what the public's appetite is. remember, all politics are local. somebody who plays well, what the national polls reflect about the feelings of americans with regard to congress feels different than while americans are disappointed with congress and very disappointed with perhaps republicans for having shut down the government, that doesn't translate with how people feel on a local district
by district basis. >> that is going to be tested. >> that will be the key in terms of 2016. we'll see whether or not there is an appetite on the part of clubs for a can the who is cand is -- a candidate like a ted cruz or a rand paul. >> what we know is there is an appetite among democrats right now to take ted cruz's outspoken role and say this america is the face of the republican party, the iowa democratic party in conjunction with this visit playing him up as the face of the party. democrats, basically the theory is history says we're not supposed to do well in the 2014 midterms but we're going to say to the swing voters and marginal districts, a few of them left, you vote for the republican candidate, you're voting for ted cruz. >> absolutely right. look, coming down the pike is, you know, another potential government shutdown, another potential debt ceiling fight, yet mitch mcconnell is saying absolutely not, we're not going to shut down the government. but mitch mcconnell and john boehner did not want to shut
down the government this time and they were basically bullied into it by ted cruz because the base wants to go in that direction. so when ted cruz comes out and takes the stand and says this is where you have to be if you're a true republican, if you're a true conservative, then there are a whole lot of folks in the house and the senate that fall in line right behind him. and i don't see that dynamic changing. now, looking at 2014, even if the republican party suffered huge losses, even if they lost the house, you know the response from the tea party will be it's because we weren't conservative enough. i mean, that is the lesson that they took in 2008. that's the lesson from 2012 and they still think that's their problem. >> what crystal is saying look at mitch mcconnell, he'll have to go back to kentucky and run in a republican primary next year. the audience that was cheering if cruz last night, can mcconnell go on the stage and say we're not going to shut down the government again? will they listen to that and
accept it? >> this is the interesting calculati calculation you're seeing a lot of republicans make inside their heads right now. one of the interesting things we've seen from the polls is when you break things down a bit, obviously negative for the republicans but big losses among independents and seniors. those were a big part of the republican party's retaking of the house in 2010. if you see establishment republicans believe that they have to make a choice between holding on to these core groups that -- the demographic groups they need to maintain their majority and the tea party, it will be a fine line, obviously. but you may see some of them slightly more power than in the past. >> what do we know now that we didn't know last week? that's ahead. [ female announcer ] can it get any cleaner? [ steam hisses ] actually... guys! [ female announcer ] ...it can. introducing swiffer steamboost powered by bissell. it gets the dirt that mops can leave behind
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