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♪ due to mature subject matter, viewer discretion is advised. ♪ >> all victims were believed to be randomly selected, stopped by the killers, who were driving around asking directions, then gunning down the victims. >> the city is shocked by a murderous shooting spree on a major religious holiday. >> i would say to the perpetrator and anyone who would attempt to aid or abet him, we're coming for you. >> two suspects are booked into the jail, and now one of them is talking.
>> he's hunting, you know, looking for the next victim. >> a recently arrived inmate catches the attention of staff and other inmates. >> he's out there in the sally port and shaking his wing at everybody, which is not something you do to a bunch of guys in orange. >> and -- >> i don't rob and steal. i swipe and i swindle. >> a father of five is headed to prison. but now his pregnant girlfriend visits with haunting news from home. >> i got bruises and scratches all over my back, and it's not anybody in the house with me. what is it? ♪ tulsa, oklahoma lies at the intersection of two of the nation's best known symbolic
locations. it's where tornado alley meets the bible belt. >> can't buy alcohol on sundays. kind of roll out the carpet at 9:00. it's that kind of town. 2:00 in the morning, 4:00 in the morning you'll be hard pressed to find something other than an all-night restaurant that's open. for some of us that's okay. that's tulsa. still small enough to be home. >> you all right? >> yeah. >> all right. chief deputy michelle robinette runs what is arguably the largest home in tulsa, the david l. moss criminal justice center, better known as the tulsa county jail. >> breakfast of champions. >> about 1,800 men and women are incarcerated here. most are only accused of crimes and are awaiting trial or the resolution of their cases. but two men booked into the jail almost one year earlier stand out from most of the rest. the crimes with which they were
charged sent shock waves throughout the city on one of its most sacred days -- good friday. >> three people found dead, two others injured, all within just miles of each other in a tulsa, oklahoma neighborhood. >> this is something we've never seen in tulsa, oklahoma. >> it started early friday morning when a woman was found fatally wounded in a residential neighborhood. minutes later, two men were found injured just two blocks away. less than an hour after that, another man was found shot to death. and seven hours later, a fifth victim, dead from a gunshot wound in the parking lot of a funeral home. >> i want to say to the perpetrator and anybody who would attempt to aid or abet him, we're coming for you. >> all five victims of the good friday shootings were african-american. a citywide manhunt quickly led to the arrest of 19-year-old jacob inkman and 32-year-old alvin watts. >> the arrests come two days after the shootings. police believe the victims were
targeted at random. >> it sickens me. it angers me. this is not what tulsa, oklahoma is about. >> the men were booked into the tulsa county jail and placed in single-person segregation cells for their own protection. >> they were so high profile and it created such a public outcry and such a media frenzy. >> they have remained in them since and are rarely around other inmates. >> they never got a chance to go to general pop because they were already so sensationalized they would not have stood a chance in general pop. >> jacob england was charged with ten felonies and has pled not guilty to all of them. >> i'm in here on three counts of first-degree murder, two shooting with intent to kill, and five hate crimes. what they say i'm in here for is good friday shooter. >> my father was killed by a
black man in 2010, and i guess two years, on his second anniversary, somebody went around shooting black people, saying it was me and my co-defendant for retaliation. >> england says he witnessed the shooting death of his father two years earlier. the accused shooter, an african-american man, was arrested but later released on grounds of self-defense. alvin watts was a friend of england's father. he was england's roommate at the time of the good friday shootings. he's charged with the same ten felonies as england and has entered not guilty pleas for the sake of trial. but he says he and england committed the shootings. >> we were sitting around the house popping pills, xanaxes, and once i had so many of those in me i didn't care anymore. we wanted to go out and do
revenge. we wanted to avenge his dad's death. i went to sleep that night. woke up the next morning and it was all over the news. people were scared to come out at night. they didn't know what was going on. and i never said nothing to anybody. but my co-defendant was boasting about it and the cat was out of the bag. before we know it there was several people calling in to crimestoppers. >> tulsa community pulled together and they knew what was important. they were more than willing to help us bring these guys in and apprehend them. >> what is your statement about this whole thing -- guilty, not guilty? >> not guilty. >> do you have an alibi for that period of time? >> no. no, i don't.
>> prosecutors are seeking the death penalty. >> hey, sergeant. >> getting quite a library in there, al. >> yeah. i sure am. >> are you reading them, though? that's the big thing. or is it just osmosis, you put them by your head and hope they sink in? >> yep. a little bit of both. >> mm-hmm. >> sergeant collette runs the segregation unit. he says he checks in with england and watts daily to make sure they're holding up emotionally. >> how you doing upstairs? you know what i'm saying? >> yeah, yeah. i'm good. >> okay. >> it's been great. >> all right. i'll get mental health in here to talk if you need to. >> i been good, sergeant collette. >> i've never really had any type of drastic mood change in alvin. alvin's always been alvin. he's just -- he's there. alvin's kind of a tricky one. those are the ones you really got to watch close for just very subtle changes.
there may be things in their behavior or things in their cell that may be subtly changed. those are the ones you have to watch real close. >> all right, alvin. >> all right, sergeant collette. >> coming up -- five black people. shot them all down, killing three of them. >> alvin watts opens up. and -- >> why you got a toothbrush in your mouth? >> i was brushing my teeth at the same time. >> a case of bad hygiene leads to a pair of jailhouse assaults. awarded j.d. power's most appealing midsize car, two years in a row. and right now you can drive one home for practically just your signature. get zero due at signing, zero down, zero deposit, and zero first month's payment on any new 2014 volkswagen. hurry, this offer ends december 2nd. for details, visit vwdealer.com today at any minute...
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with about 1,800 inmates, or some 250 more than it was designed to hold, personal hygiene or the lack thereof has been known to be a source of frustration inside the tulsa county jail. >> it stinks. >> lots of febreze, lots of hand sanitizers. >> all these guys out here, they can't live like this. >> i've never smelled women so stinky in my life.
>> we got one bathroom to share in here that's nasty. >> it stinks literally. it's part of the job and what we do. >> adam curry says good hygiene is important to him, too. >> adam curry. >> curry? why you got a toothbrush in your mouth? >> i was brushing my teeth at the same time. >> yeah? >> yeah. >> you know you're not supposed to have a tooth brush in the rec yard? you'll need to brush your teeth later. >> all right. >> take it to your cell. >> just a couple hours later curry would become both the perpetrator and the victim of hygiene-related assaults. >> we had a code blue, which is an inmate on inmate assault, in j-5. mr. curry and mr. goode got into a physical confrontation and so both of them were taken out of j-5. >> the fight between inmate chad goode and curry apparently began after curry felt a third inmate smelled bad, so he doused the inmate with a mixture of water, toothpaste, and soap.
>> the young man is a little too young and too small to stand up to himself to a guy that big. >> i asked him about it. he didn't deny it. so i sent him out of the pod. and while he was in the sally port he was standing there whipping his peenus out and shaking it at the inmates. and thin guess they told him that they were going to smash him out. and then he started apologizing. and he's like all right, we'll leave you alone so don't do it again. and then he pulls it out again and starts doing the same thing laughing and taunting them while he's doing it. >> plain obnoxious. he's out there in sally port shaking his wing at everybody which is not something you do to a bunch of guys in orange. we've been locked up a while but not that long. >> when he walked up to his cell i let him get in the cell and walked in behind him. >> and? >> started swinging. everybody wanted him gone. i just thank god nobody really
had the -- had the guts to do anything about it. >> that guy beat my brains in. but hey, my -- you know, i signed -- i signed a waiver saying i wouldn't press charges. and hopefully he did, too, because i didn't even get one lick in. >> were you surprised when this reaction occurred when you exposed yourself to these guys? >> no. well, yes and no. and this was after i chucked a cup of toothpaste and soap on the back of a guy's head. ah. what a -- what a heathen thing to do. >> to curry's defense, i mean, the guy did stink, but the way he went about it -- >> since there are no serious injuries and neither inmate wants to file a complaint or charges against the other, jail officials decided not to take punitive measures. >> at this point in time we just look at it as mutual combat and let it go at that.
we're going to separate both of them. take both of them out of the pod, put them in new pods. we'll just rehouse both of them and let them start all over. >> curry has three prior drug-related convictions that resulted in two separate prison stays. recently, he's been in and out of jail on bond while racking up new charges of burglary, grand larceny, and assault and battery with a dangerous weapon. he's pled not guilty to all his current charges. but his most recent arrest got off to a bad start. >> once i got into booking and got really hungry, i started making noise. "ah, i'm hungry!" >> so curry spit on the cell surveillance camera. >> first of all, they had to restrain me because i was being obnoxious and loud. that's the right thing to do for everyone else's safety around me or anyone who's acting psychotic. >> apparently he causes issues every time he comes to jail, so i can see why he comes to jail. >> while curry might have an eye for trouble -- >> damn, ain't nobody got no coffee.
>> robert greene has an eye for hustling. >> i'm a hustler by any means necessary. i don't rob and steal. i swipe and i swindle. . >> ain't nobody got no coffee, man. >> greene says his ability to hustle served him well in jail and prison. . >> [ speaking spanish ]. >> as well as on the streets. >> if i knew somebody who was wanting a flat screen tv and i knew where one was at i'd say hey let me get that i'll take it over there and make it happen. versatility was my job. being a versatile person and keeping my ear to the streets. that's who i am. i'm a hustler by any means necessary. i got expensive taste. you know what i'm saying? i'll wear two different pairs of jordans. they'll be like why you got two different pairs of jordans on? [ bleep ] because i can. can you do that? no. next time you see me i'll have two different ones on.
just one of each on your feet. nobody does that. why? because i'm different. >> it's official like a referee's whistle. >> yes, it is. ain't got no sugar, though. >> but greene's lifestyle has also landed him in jail and prison numerous times over the last 16 years. he was recently sentenced to five years for possession of drugs and a stolen vehicle. he's due to be transferred to state prison and says he's ready. >> i know i'm a born leader. that's why i know i'm above a lot of other people you know what i'm saying. but i'm on egotistical. i may be an [ bleep ] but i'm not egotistical. >> greene is also a member of the indian brotherhood, or ibh. it's designated as a gang by oklahoma prison officials. >> i'm a warrior. and i stand up for my people. i believe in my people. >> greene says he hopes his five children do not follow into the indian brotherhood.
>> because they would have to go to prison. do you want your babies to go to prison? no. i want my kids to grow up to make something of themselves. i love my babies. >> greene now has a sixth child on the way with his fiancee cassisi. >> my fiancee, that's the light of my life. that is the better half of me. she showed me what real love was. and i understood what a good woman was whenever i met her. she made me better. so we shined together. >> coming up -- >> what is it? what's happening to you? >> i don't know. but it ain't the good lord. >> cacece comes for a visit but she's bearing some dark news. >> somebody told me i need to go to a catholic church. >> and -- >> i was a real big daddy's boy. he always took care of me. >> jacob england opens up about the murder of his own father two years earlier on good friday.
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>> segregation inmates at the tulsa county jail are locked in their cells 23 hours a day. their one hour out can be spent either in the shower or rec yard. >> how are you doing? >> i'm doing pretty good. >> sergeant collette, who runs the unit, says he frequently checks in with the inmates and tries to help them adapt to the isolation. >> the brain is very powerful and you can fail to flourish and literally will yourself to death. i do not want that in here. it's like i tell these guys in the seg when i first meet them. i want you guys reading. i want you doing a little exercise in your cell. if i wanted mushrooms back here, i'd be a gardener. what i say to them is free your mind. your ass will follow. >> jacob england has been in segregation for nearly a year. he's followed sergeant collette's advice but has also participated in extracurricular activity with some of his neighbors. they call it cadillacing, and it involves using string to pass items between cells. >> what are you doing? >> cadillacing a soup.
i'm giving him a soup. he's going to come down off the top rung. i'm going to pull in his cadillac and tie on a soup and push it back underneath the door and he's going to pull it back up to his cell. >> why? >> so he can have something to eat. ♪ >> that's not good. >> i've been doing it about ten months. i've gotten pretty good at it. cadillac every day. >> do you get caught every day? >> just about. >> do it every day and get
caught every day. >> just about. they watch us on the cameras. >> with easter weekend approaching, so too is the one-year anniversary of england's arrest. he's been charged with three counts of murder, two attempted murders, and five hate crimes. he and his co-defendant are accused of going on a murderous shooting spree against african-americans. >> all victims were believed to be randomly selected, stopped by the killers, who were driving around asking directions, then gunning down the victims. >> the shootings occurred not only on good friday, but it was also the two-year anniversary of the death of england's father. carl england was fatally shot at age 47 by an african-american man who was later acquitted on grounds of self-defense. >> i was a real big daddy's boy. i mean, he always took care of me and both my sisters. always worked together and everything. the guy that killed my dad it was a big deal because he was black just because my dad was racist and he got me to be racist too, but i'm trying not
to be in here. i'm trying to change my ways. >> it's also a waiting game for england's co-defendant alvin watts, who's in another segregation unit. he has his own way of coping with a life of solitude. >> in my window i have shampoo bottles and conditioner and lotion bottles all lined up in order because that's just something i was diagnosed with called ocd and i got to have everything in a particular order or color. lining all that up like that does help me cope. it helps me feel organized. i don't like to feel out of organized or anything like that. >> watts and england could face the death penalty if found guilty of their murder charges. while they both pled not guilty in court, watts says they did it. >> we weren't talking or conversating or anything. we were just like we were hunting. you know, like just, you know, looking for the next victim. looking for that next person. five black people and we shot them all down killing three of
them and two of them survived. after that we didn't talk or anything about it. we just went straight home. we didn't even talk about it when we got home. i'm flabbergasted when i think about it. i can't believe i done this. i wake up every day in the cell, same cell. why did i do this? how could i do? >> coming up -- >> i think it's because of the baby. but i don't want them to hurt me. >> robert greene gets a disturbing visit. and -- >> i was making them mad. i was stirring up trouble like -- >> adam curry discovers not everyone finds his situation as humorous as he does. >> ma, don't cry. don't cry. hear that beat? campbell's healthy request soup lets you hear it in your heart. [ basketball bouncing ] heart healthy. [ m'm... ] great taste. [ tapping ] sounds good. campbell's healthy request. m'm! m'm! good.®
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years for possession of drugs and a stolen vehicle, says respect is part of his heritage. >> the native americans respect the earth. they respect everything around them. >> can't get a club to save my life. >> and greene says it was a matter of respect that recently led him to a brief stay in administrative segregation. >> i got in a fight. somebody said too many words to me and i had to punch him in the face. yeah. felt bad afterwards, though. because i got a heart now, i actually care. i actually care now. back then i didn't give a [ bleep ] but now i do care. like damn, man, i shouldn't have punched on that dude, man. >> green says the fight wasn't entirely his fault. >> the devil is a very subtle and very sneaky person. the devil knows whenever you want to do good. >> so when you beat up the guy was that the devil? >> yes. then after i was like, man. that ain't me no more. but what is me? [ bleep ]. i'm just me.
and that's who i am. man, i'm baby drop. everybody else want to call me robert green because that's my government name. but i'm baby drop. >> green says his nickname baby drop come from his teardrop tattoos which reflect his hard life growing up. >> if you reflect on the past you can never move straight forward with your life. i know god has chosen me to do something great in my life and i know how to listen in a spiritual sense and i know how to see in a spiritual sense. man, how is it that me and my girl can visit and she can put her head down and i can ask her, baby, are you listening to me without saying a damn word out of my lips and she can shake her head yes. how is it i can seek my girl out in my mind and she seeks me out on the same base? it's just sad when we're not together because it's like a broken heart. >> while green says he has a telepathic relationship with his fiancee cacece, he is unable to actually touch her while in jail. but they do get weekly visits.
>> hi, baby. how you doing, mama? >> i'm good. >> casese is three months pregnant with green's sixth child and she agrees they have a psychic connection. but lately it's taken a dark turn. >> pretty. >> a lot of things that's happened in his life and whatever he's going through or been put through, it's kind of like rubbed off on me a little bit. >> what is that about? >> if i told somebody i don't think they'd ever believe me, so i really don't talk about it. >> what is it? what's happening to you? >> i don't know. but it ain't the good lord. >> looks like you need some blistex. >> i know. my chaps -- >> that's why my lips are dry right now. >> mine too. >> because yours are. you remember what you told me a long time ago? about your mama? it's happening to me. i got bruises and scratches all over my back. i felt it last night for the first time.
and today when i got up, tara said i had like finger marks on my back. i even got them on my sides. they're like beating me up kind of like, roughing me up. i don't know -- it's kind of like -- and it's not anybody in the house with me. what is it? >> it's the bad. and god knows that i'm trying to do right. and that's why he's sending all the bad stuff. >> i know. i told you that. that's why you ran away from me like a kid. >> you knew how i used to be. but there's no more hate in my heart. all there is is love. >> i told you a long time ago all you had to do was stop cursing him. stop doing -- is it voodoo? what is it? what is it? is it black magic? i need to know. >> all you have to do is call my brother. my brother can take you to the creek medicine man, who can slow
this down. >> slow it down? you mean it's not -- i mean, i remember you telling me a long time ago that there's something that comes with you. and the things that i been seeing have been feeling like i think it's because of the baby. but i don't want them to hurt me. >> leave tobacco out. like -- >> i can't stand a cigarette right now. >> at night whenever you're sleeping -- >> it happens when i'm sleeping. i don't know what's going on -- you used to talk to me. remember? >> at night when you're sleeping leave tobacco out. because little people love tobacco. >> what? >> at night whenever you're sleeping leave tobacco out because the little people love tobacco and in native american history it's the little people that's messing with you. they're tricksters. just leave tobacco out. they love tobacco. >> okay. it's not cool. i mean, i'm trying to -- somebody told me i need to go to a catholic church. >> you have to go talk to my brother. because i have no idea.
i just know tobacco. but you have to call mike. >> though casese's injuries appear to have healed, that hasn't lessened her concerns. >> i know it has to do with him because it was happening to his mother. he told me a long time ago something like this might occur. he tried to push himself away from me. you know, telling me that i deserve more, which i know i do but that's -- he's my more. >> this is the bad medicine that somebody's put on me a long time ago, and just messing with my -- they're just messing with my girl now. >> i'll see you later. okay? i love you. >> you too. bye. >> while green's troubles are back home, adam curry's are now inside the jail. he was recently the victim of an assault after he tried to give one inmate a lesson in hygiene, then followed it up by giving some others an unwanted
show. >> he had an issue with an inmate smelling, so he poured water and soap down his back. come to find out supposedly he exposed his genitals while in the sally port waiting to come down here. when mr. curry got back on the unit to his cell, mr. goode ran in on him and started attacking him. >> curry might not be a popular inmate, but as he awaits trial on three charges including assault and battery with a deadly weapon he does have at least one person he can turn to for support. >> hello. hey, mom. yeah. yeah. well, yeah. yeah. i mean, i was being a little arrogant with the tongue. yeah. me. you got it. i was making them mad. i was stirring trouble like grandma jewel would say. if you don't want to smell it, don't stir it. well, i was stirring it and i smelled it.
i've got one or two lumps on my head and i'll live. you know. what was that? did your voice just crack? did your voice just crack? mom, don't cry. don't cry. if you don't stop crying i'm going to try to make up a joke that's going to either make you puke or make you laugh. yeah. yeah. if you promise to come down and see me later. hey. 60 seconds remaining. let's end it on a good note. okay. i love you, mom. okay. bye. don't -- bye. that was my mom. >> it sounded emotional. what was going on? >> yeah, she was emotional. she was worried about, you know, her baby.
i love my mother. she came to visit me yesterday. i don't know if i made her cry or the circumstances that i put myself into made her cry but it is unfortunate to see your own mother sxrie know that you're the cause. it really hurts. it breaks my heart. >> coming up. >> he smelled like crap. he smelled like feces. >> so you became the enforcer. >> well, no. i became more of a messenger. >> adam curry hashes things out with the jail psychiatrist. and a new twist in the good friday shooting case. >> in our statements each one of us was implicating the other one, so they'll have us separated. which means it's never been easier to get a new passat, awarded j.d. power's most appealing midsize car, two years in a row. and right now you can drive one home for practically just your signature. get zero due at signing, zero down, zero deposit, and zero first month's payment on any new 2014 volkswagen.
besides housing people accused or convicted of crimes, it has also become the county's primary mental health facility. we do not film inmates deemed to be severely mentally ill because they cannot consent. hundreds of others suffer from a range of disorders that often contribute to inappropriate behavior and require medication prescribed by the jail's consulting psychiatrist, dr. harnish. >> at any one time i have 500 detainees on medication. this is a jail with 1,800 detainees. there are a number of limitations. we don't have enough psychiatrists here. we're doing the best we can with what i guess is typical for correctional facilities, which is limited resources, being out of the public eye. we really need to raise the consciousness that there are more people receiving mental health care in correctional facilities than any other facility combined. if we took all the mental health centers in the country, if we took all the private hospitals,
lump them together, still more people get mental health care in correctional facilities than any other facility. >> mr. curry? >> yes, sir. >> i'm dr. harnish. can you come see me? >> yes, sir. sure. i can see you. >> adam curry has agreed to a psychiatric evaluation after his actions led him to be assaulted. >> have you had some problems with the other detainees here? >> yeah. >> like what? what's happened? >> these guys waited until i was literally, you know, on the crapper. >> yeah. >> and they came in and started swinging on me. i mean, that's -- >> why were they targeting you do you suppose? >> well, i mean, throwing soap and toothpaste on someone, i mean does that really warrant physical brutality? >> that was something that you did? >> yeah. >> you put soap and toothpaste on someone? >> yeah, i did. because the guy stunk. he needed to take a shower and brush his teeth. he smelled like crap. he smelled like feces. >> so you became the enforcer. >> well, no. i became more of a messenger.
>> do you have depression? >> well, sure. i mean, i'm depressed. my son's birthday was the other day and i missed it because i'm being charged with some ludicrous, you know, theft ma lrky. >> right. well, the kind of depression i'm talking about is depression that's disabling, the sort of thing where you can't concentrate very well. your sleep is affected. you don't have any energy. >> energy is not really that big a problem. >> do you have manic episodes where your thoughts race and you can't slow down? >> absolutely. >> and you have big ideas -- >> all the time. >> big plans -- >> big ideas all the way to, well, how am i going to end my life right now because i don't want anyone to know what i'm thinking. >> wow. that would be the reason to end your life right then? >> mm-hmm. so no one -- so they can't have the same -- so the wrong person doesn't get my -- >> because it's so powerful.
>> it feels so powerful and consuming. >> have you been suicidal recently? >> yeah. because i don't want to impact people's lives in a negative manner. and sometimes i feel like, well, not really. i mean, i couldn't -- it would be so selfish of me and so devastating to my son. i just couldn't do it. >> all right. those thoughts enter your mind. i might as well end it because -- >> because i don't want to be detrimental to my son. >> right now, we have an opportunity to help somebody that in the past has fallen through the cracks. i think he's wanted to fall through the cracks. i think he's forced himself through the cracks. >> then what you and i can do is we could agree right now on some medication. >> certainly. >> that you would like to try first. >> we need to try to a slow his thoughts down, help him collect his thoughts. >> all right. see you in about a week.
>> yes, sir. >> go ahead back out to the -- >> so he has a good mind in there i think. he just hasn't been able to use it. and that's the tragedy of his situation and many of the people that come through the jail. >> coming up -- >> it's the anniversary of the good friday shootings. so i need to speak with jacob england and alvin watts. >> and -- >> fixing to get baptized. >> robert green attempts to wash away the bad. [ male announcer ] has your phone turned you into a control freak? like, scoring the perfect table? ♪ or getting a better seat? ♪ or let's say there's an accident. if you have esurance, you can use their mobile app to start a claim... upload a few photos...
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everybody has to face the wall. they're not allowed to look at him. we don't want the other inmates recognizing him because he's been on tv a lot showing the events of his case and what is going on. so the last thing we want, with safety and security being the number one factor, is for him to be recognized. one of the inmates may try to assault him or some words may be exchanged. >> the two defendants have been charged with three counts of first-degree murder, two counts of attempted murder, and five hate crimes. both have pled not guilty. but after their last trip to court england and watts learn they are no longer codefendants. >> in our statements each one of us was implicating the other one, so they'll have us separated. >> how do you feel about being separated from jacob? >> better. there's a lot more on him than me. you know, there's a lot more evidence on him. >> i haven't talked to alvin since the last time we went to court. he won't really talk back to me. he won't say anything really. looks like a sad pup sitting
there. just keeps his head down all the time. i'm thinking he might try to testify against me to get life without parole maybe. >> the two men used to live together before their arrests. have been in separate segregation units for the last year. >> since they're locked down for 23 hours a day they seem to get really emotional. the confinement, not having a cellie. so getting them outside is a chance for them to get out, see the sun, play wall ball, exercise. kind of gets their emotions out. >> england says he's planning what to do should he be sent to prison for most if not all of his age. >> the future. i always said if i went to prison i'd wind up joining them because i've got indian in me. they're pretty loyal. supposed to be. i've got a couple people on the outside that knows the chiefs and they say they're waiting on me when i get there. say i'm like a celebrity to them >> why? >> just because of how
high-profile my case is. >> while england seems prepared for whatever fate awaits him sergeant collette has grown concerned about watts. >> alvin watts's demeanor has changed, and that concerns me. i'm always looking in alvin's cell, seeing what's changed. he has become more reclusive. alvin used to have a lot of stuff written on the walls. it's all gone. if you learn to read what's -- what the inmates have written on the walls, it's a picture into their mind, to what's going on with them. and i don't like blank slates. that worries me. >> watts has even begun to decline the one hour per day he is allowed outside his cell. >> we're going to go see if mr. alvin watts wants to go out to rec. he currently hasn't been going out for rec for the past couple weeks. he's always been offered daily. he just decides not to go.
>> mr. watts, would you like to go out to rec? come on, mr. watts. you haven't been out in a couple weeks. come on. >> this time watts agrees and is escorted to the rec yard. >> just get out there and move around. lose some weight. >> today is significant for another reason. it's good friday. the one-year anniversary of the shooting spree that brought england and watts to jail. >> i wish that it never would have happened. i wish things could have went a lot more differently. like spend easter sunday with your families and do what you usually do. instead of just alone, away from my family. >> it's the anniversary of the good friday shootings. so i needed to speak with jacob england and alvin watts just to make sure their mental health, this is the time when it's going to weigh the heaviest on their minds. so we do need to keep an eye on
them. >> how are you doing, jacob? >> i'm all right. >> are you? >> yeah. just hanging it in here. >> i'm checking an alvin too. >> are you? >> yeah. >> i heard he's a strange dude. >> alvin's gotten quiet. >> has he? >> yeah. >> whenever i talk to jacob he's pretty outgoing. how are you doing today, jacob? i'm doing okay for being under these circumstances. yeah. doing all right. all of a sudden his hair is cut different. completely cut off. he wasn't his normal self. he was just kind of like, yeah. i'm here. >> all the mental health staff's gone for today. of course holiday. >> good friday. >> yeah. >> yeah. unfortunately. >> unfortunately. >> it's our day. >> if you need anything just holler at me. i'll be here about 7:00 to 9:00. >> okay. >> i do not condone what these people have allegedly done or are accused of.
my concern is their well-being while they're in here. i'm governed by state and federal laws that i must do these things and i am mandated to do these things. i don't have to like it. a lot of times i don't like it. but i do it because i am the one responsible for making sure these mandates are met. >> hi, alvin. >> hey, sergeant collette. >> how you doing? >> i'm doing pretty good. >> all right. you know why i come by, to check on you. it's the anniversary of what allegedly you have done. >> yeah. >> i want to check on you mentally. are you hanging in there? do i need to get mental health here? >> i'm good. i'm good. >> are you? >> yeah. >> with alvin he has pretty much just started to give up and before this escalates to where we have a serious issue, we need to get that turned. not because i am a bleeding heart for an inmate. i don't want an inmate dead in
one of my cells. >> all right, man. >> all right. >> while watts and england mark an ominous anniversary, robert green has been fighting his own demons. and to him and his fiance these demons are real. >> i got bruises and scratches all over my back. and it's not anybody in the house with me. what is it? >> it's the bad. >> green says when it comes to fighting the evil spirits he calls the bad, he's decided to start with himself. >> fixing to get baptized today. i just know it's going to bring me closser to the lord. and that's what i'm -- that's what i'm doing today. >> quiet. stay about an arm's length away from each other. you know? stay together. single file. we're doing this for the lord.
amen? >> amen. >> you know, we want to be a good representation as we walk down that hallway. all right. god bless you. every 90 days we baptize between 150 to 200 people, and the reason for that is every 90 days it's a complete change over in population here. >> robert, have you accepted jesus christ as your personal savior and lord? >> yes, i have. >> all right. hold your nose. robert, i baptize you in the name of the father, the son, and the holy spirit. buried in the likeness of his death. raised in the likeness of his resurrection. [ applause ] thank you, lord. >> i feel great. i feel blessed now. >> hallelujah. >> my body feels energized. like i just feel better. you know? i know this is another step for
me being closer to the lord and where i need to be because i know the lord wouldn't have put me through all these tribulations that i've gone through. and the more i listen to the lord and humble myself the more i'm going to know what his will is for me. whenever my time comes and my number gets called to shine for him i'm going to do it.
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