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♪ ♪ shocking execution style murders of four women, results in the arrest of two brothers. >> you trying to kill me for something i didn't do? i don't want it to die for something i didn't do. >> now with pressure mounting, distrust comes between them. >> most definitely going to be brother against brother. >> it actually comes out in the showers. >> an inmate with a long arrest record discovered an incredible talent and -- >> i cut her like this. she had my hair. >> a fight breaks out between two female inmates. there's more behind it than meets the eye. >> i love you. >> i love you, too.
>> one of these friends will suffer an unthinkable tragedy. >> with a population just under 400,000, tulsa, oklahoma maintains a small town feel. itis not immune to big city crime. there are 1800 men and women incarcerated. at the tulsa county jail. most are only accused of crimes. and are awaiting trial for the resolution of their cases. >> i'll see y'all later. be good. >> because the inmates are innocent until proven guilty, officers try to afford them as many privileges as possible. one man just booked into jail will require special handling. >> this guy here in holding cell
nine, he is here on four counts of murder. we keep him in a cell by himself because of the high publicity of the case. we don't want him to be with general population in case someone here is a relative of someone he is accused of murdering. it is for his safety and ours. just keep him locked up by himself. >> the new inmate is james poor. he is charged with first degree murder for the execution style slayings of four victims a month earlier. the victims were found together in a tulsa apartment. all four had their hands bound behind their backs and each shot in the head. he lives in the same complex and says he is friends with two of the victims. he is yet to enter a formal plea, poor says he is completely innocent. >> people say you supposed to have faith in the system but it
don't work like they say it's supposed to. >> kill me for something i didn't do. i don't want to die for something i didn't do. the part that got me so emotional is that these are our friends and now i'm being -- they saying i'm being charged with their deaths. >> poore recently completed a 12-year prison sentence for the armed robbery of four convenience stores. he has had numerous jail stays. >> for the first time in my life, i'm innocent and everybody thinks i'm guilty. >> tulsa homicide investigators believe poore is not only
guilty, but he did not act alone. they say he was aided by another man booked into the jail a few days earlier on a parole violation. it's poore's older brother and he, too, is charged with four counts of murder. >> i'm dwayne poore. i haven't killed no one at no time ever, in my life. it's not my case, period. do i know what's going on? no. am i lost? yes. do i need help? yes. am i ready to cry? yes. am i pissed? yes. i don't have any feelings about the case. i don't want to sound cold-blooded or cold hearted about it, but i don't. i don't have no feelings towards this case, because it is not my case. as for my brother, i can't speak for my brother, but i don't believe he had anything to do
with this case at this point. i don't believe it. >> brothers turning against each other for little bitty stuff. that's like they wasn't brought up the right way or something. >> raised in a large family, both james and cedric say nothing can break the strong bond they share. >> my relationship with my brother is tight. all my brothers. i got five of them, all of them is tight, very close. very close. >> we always say one pardon after finished talking on the phone, one love. >> there's nothing i wouldn't do for my brothers. >> i don't believe nobody would love me more than they would. we have been through so much coming up. >> those bonds will be put to the test. though both growths served
sentences for armed robbery, they've never faced such serious consequences. if they are found guilty of the murders, they are eligible for the death penalty. >> i have done wrong in my past, but honestly, i don't think i'm going to get a fair shake on this one? >> why? >> because of my past. >> why are you convinced you are going to be found guilty? >> because my last case, i didn't go into the store or shoot at the people, and i got booked for it. now, i'm in the same position and i don't know who to tell. so, i'm locked up again because i didn't snitch. this time, i don't have a parole date or nothing like that. there's going to be an execution date. >> james poore might have already spoken. the police report states that he
said he and cedric committed the murders. it's been reported to the media as well. >> i don't want to say my brother got me involved in this. i don't want to say what the news media is trying to get me to say. i don't want to say my brother is trying to implicate me. i'm not going to believe it, so i'm not going to say it. do i love me brother? yes. would i kill for my brother, hell no. would i lie for him? [ bleep ]. coming up -- >> all right. good morning. >> when the poore brothers make their first appearance before the judge, one is left feeling betrayed. and -- >> she said no, what you should have did is move out of my way. i said, no, bitch, what you should have said is excuse me. >> the fight between two inmates with an ulterior motive.
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♪ >> like most other jails, tulsa county has plenty of hard luck stories among the 1800 inmates. drug addiction is often at the center of those stories. richard roberts is no exception. >> i had a cocaine addiction. it was brought on. it's been on and off struggle. >> drugs that his prison stays over 25 years. he's plead guilty or no contest to 14 different charges, ranging from driving with a suspended license to burglary and assaulting a police officer. he says he's drug free now but his current problems are rooted elsewhere. >> i have a thing about women. 56 years and i finally realized something. women are the down fall to all great men. we can go back to adam and eve. we can go to napoleon.
we can go back to bill clinton. >> now richard roberts. >> now richard roberts. i have always been a womanizer. that's what most people think. something about a nice man in his mid-50s with a nice smile, healthy body and a full head of hair. women have a tendency to attract themselves to it. they are like moths to light. they just flutter right on in. >> though roberts considers himself a ladies man, some of the women in his life disagree. he is currently charged with assault and battery against a former girlfriend. he's pled not guilty and is awaiting trial. 16 months earlier, he pled guilty to three counts of violating a protective order. taken out by another woman.
he served 60 days in the tulsa county jail. >> i was hooked on women for a long time. after my wife left me and everything, my attitude changed about women. that was probably where the switch started going in reverse toward cocaine. >> he has been caught in the jail's revolving door, robert says it was during a stay two years earlier he has an epiphany. it had to do with soap in the shower stalls. >> i actually take the leftover refuge. this is off the floors in the shower. left over. it's not new soap, it's used soap. my name while in the jailhouse is nut soap crafty.
the soap sometimes has filaments of other people's parts. i started back two years ago. i was sitting in jail and had been here two months and it was boredom. i said, let me try something. i told my celly i was going to make a monkey. he said you can't do it. i made a monkey. i take all the soap. just little bits and pieces on the floor. i bring the pieces in here, dry them out, then grind them into a powder. since it's contraband and there's a window right behind me, i wear my cape while i'm working so officers can't see what i'm doing. grind it into a little powder, add water and and make clay out. it. >> he makes his sculpting tools.
>> this is a broken pencil. >> lay it intact and put it in the sharpener and sharpen it to give you an edge on it. >> a lot of work with the feathers and skin and detail. >> yeah. yeah, that's staple work. hours sitting with the stapler, etching. one little scratch at a time. >> though roberts's /* artistic skills are notable, technically, the the skull turs /* sculptures are contraband. the system has you believe anything not in the matrix is contraband. to me, i'm utilizing the soap,
maybe not to take a shower with, but i'm not losing any of the quantity of soap. all i'm doing is altering the shape. what i tell them is if you are upset with me for using soap you should be upset with everyone for showering. they alter the soap as well. >> if staff has turned a blind eye on the repurposing of soap, there are many other things. as trinity baker learned after fighting with an inmate. >> i have been here eight days. i bit my tongue. i go crazy in this little room. i'll never fight again, i promise. >> like all other segregation inmates, baker is confined to a single-sell 23 hours a day and lost many of her privileges. >> i spend my days trying to sleep. when i can't, i try to write, read. read a lot. >> this is baker's final day in segregation and her time at jail is coming to an end as well. she is awaiting transfer to prison to serve a five-year sentence after pleading guilty
to a charge of false ownership of dela declaration at a pawnsh. at the time of her arrest, she was on parole including autotheft and methamphetamine. a drug she's been addicted to for the past ten years. >> i was so bad, my mom passed away, i didn't even notice it. i still haven't dealt with it. all she wanted was a relationship with her daughter and i was so high i couldn't do that. now, she's gone. and i can't go back to that. >> the incident that led to her segregation began with a fight with her bunk mate. >> she walked past me and pushed me. i said you could said excuse me. >> i went to get on my bunk. i walked past her without saying excuse me. >> she said you should have moved out of my way. >> i said, no, bitch, what you should have did is say excuse me. and we started cussing each other out.
>> i broke it up. called an escort in to get them separated. >> after they broke up the argument, she decided it would be better to move her to another housing pod. >> she was severely agitated. she was the one that was being really verbal. >> she said y'all moving me because of this bitch? i'm going to get you bitch. i'm going to get you. >> i had her hair, uppercutting her like this. she had my hair. i was on top of her. >> i just yanked baker off there to break them up. held her on the floor. told her to quit resisting. she said the only way she was leaving that pod is by going to seg. that's where she went. >> the girl is crazy. she needs medication. >> it seems as though she wanted to go to segregation. turns out she did because her best friend was also in segregation. >> i'm like if i'm moving, i
might as well fight her and go to seg. i knew michelle was down there. she encourages me to do well. it works. i listen to her. i don't listen to nobody but her. >> during the one hour she is allowed outside her cell, baker was allowed to visit with wise. but wise recently returned to general population. >> ready to go, baker? >> yes, sir. >> now it's time for baker to return to general population as well. she's going to housing unit f-22, not f-20, where michelle wise was assigned. >> why the sour face when i told you you were going to 22? coming up -- back in general population, trinity baker works the system to get the housing assignment she wants. >> i guess she did what she had to do to get where she needed to get to. >> my best lawyer is me right
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charges take place in the jail through a video link to the courts. >> see you back here on the 4th. good luck. >> three days after being charged with the murders of four women, james and cedric poore will have their arraignments today. it is the first time they will have seen each other since they were charged. >> cedric poore. please come up to the podium then, please. good morning, mr. poore. >> cedric was out of prison for 11 months prior to being charged with the quadruple homicide. he held customers at a tulsa strip club. >> i wanted to work like the jeffersons, but live like donald trump. it wasn't worth it. nevertheless, i did it. i suffered the consequences of doing it. >> detention of four charges of murder in the first degree.
three charges of robbery with a firearm. on the murder charges being held without bond. >> now facing charges that could result in the death penalty. cedric could not afford an attorney. >> my best attorney right now is me right now. i can read. i can write. it don't take much for me to learn. >> a public defender to represent you on the case. good luck. james poore. good morning mr. poore. i believe you are represented by cathy frye, is that correct? >> yes, sir. >> unlike cedric whose public defender is carrying a heavy caseload and have limited resources, james poore hired a private defense attorney. >> miss frye has been in this morning. not guilty plea entered on your behalf. good luck. >> thank you. >> after the arraignment, the two brothers try to talk.
an officer notices the exchange and separates them. >> did that go the way you thought? >> i didn't know nothing about no attorney. the court process is moving quicker than mine. >> you tried to talk after you were arraigned. >> how did you get an attorney? how were you able to afford an attorney. i'm scrambling to get an attorney myself. >> you gonna be cool? never hurts to shed a tear especially when you are a man of deep feelings. >> on the advice of his new attorney, james declined to discuss the case any further. as he is led to a single person segregation cell, cedric has much to say. for awhile, i was standing by
the code, believing that as long as i don't talk, as long as i don't snitch, i'll be all right. there's no way in hell my brother would throw me under the bus, so to speak. now, i don't say it with great pride, trust me, i don't say it with great pride at all that i have to do what's best for me and mine. so, i got to start talking, you know, to save my own ass. >> when you say you have to talk, what does that mean? >> tell them everything i know. >> that indicates to me you have awareness of this crime? >> yes, i do. i have awareness of the crime, yes, i do. >> how did you come about this awareness? >> it was handed to me. by both, two of the three perpetrators that did the crime. >> who were the two of the three?
>> i'd rather not say. right now. do i got anything to do with the crime? no, i do not. did i kill anyone? no, i did not. only one person that's implicated my name in this crime. unfortunately, that's my brother. you know, you have an attorney when you could have gave me indication of something about it. i mean, makes it seem as though you are trying to push everything into my direction. no. it's not going to happen that way. this is my brother putting me at the scene of a quadruple murder. armed robbery now, it's going to turn out to be brother against brother. coming up -- >> cedric poore. >> he gets a visit from the woman who might help prove his innocence and -- >> was one of those situations where i didn't want to take him
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it can be like that inside the tulsa county jail as well. >> i had to. trinty baker admits to fighting another inmate to be sent to the segregation unit because her best friend was there for fighting as well. now both women are back in general population units but not in the same one. baker might have discovered family in heather martin. >> who am i? >> she's my cousin. >> she thinks she's my cousin, so i let her think i'm her cousin. she wants to be my cousin, i let her think it. >> my mom and your mom. remember bakers? or your daddy is a baker. we discovered this. anyway, we found out we were cousins.
>> why is this woman claiming to be your cousin? >> i don't know. >> glad to see ya cousin. come back to see ya. my mom and trinty baker have the same last name. we started naming off family. and there are people related to her what were related to me. it's the reason we thought we were cousins. yeah, but, that's my cousin. but i know her regardless if we are cousins or not cousins. really, i think we're cousins. >> we're cousins. >> don't we look alike? >> later that day, baker filed a keep away request. >> that means they keep you away from each other. specifically it's a form inmates fill out to let jail officials know they have a problem with another inmate in their housing unit. >> like heather, she's cool. i just today do it.
>> we don't want to see anyone get hurt. if someone says they are being or have been threatened by an individual, we need to move them for safety. >> does heather know? no, but you can tell her if you want. i don't care. she knows how it goes. >> oh trinty baker. trinty, she did what she had to do to get where she needed to. you know, that's trinty, i mean -- >> i'm happy to see you. >> i'm happy to see you, too, but you need to calm down. >> with a limited number of housing units, baker has now been transferred to the same one as michelle wise. the coincidence is not lost on staff. inmates sometimes use keep-aways to minimize housing assignments. >> there's one outcome if you keep playing it. you'll run out of places to go and have to go to administrative segregation. usually around the time it is time to go to administrative segregation, the truth comes out.
and we find out that keep-aways are manufactured. >> i didn't know y'all were waiting for me. >> what is the connection with michelle? >> i love her. >> i'm so glad you are here. i love you. >> i love you, too. her brother connected us, now we love each other. >> baker is currently dating wise's brother. but they share other things as well. they are both mothers and meth addicts. they both have prior records. they are awaiting transfer to prison. they each have five-year sentences that were fueled by their addictions. >> i used a friend's id to not have to use my own name because i had warrants. i have been on the run for two years. it caught up with me. it always does. i have been here three or four times since i was 18.
i have been to prison twice. this will be my third trip. >> wise, who holds a jail job serving meals says this time around, she's grateful for what the tulsa county jail has done for her. >> i came here pregnant and strung out. i've been here eight months. i had a healthy nine pound baby. i wouldn't have had that had i not been here. >> six weeks earlier, she was transported to a hospital to give birth. she was with him three days before giving him up to her brother and returning to jail. >> my brother is all the family i have. he came and picked my son, david, i named him after my brother, he picked him up to the hospital. i snuck contraband back, his shirt and hat and i kept it wrapped up in plastic so i could smell him. >> wise says she hopes her stay
in prison will help her stay off drugs for good so she can be a better mother. she said a children's book borrowed from the children's library already helped her bond with her son. >> i read this book every night to myself during my pregnancy. every time i called home, my brother put me on speakerphone. he puts him up to the phone and makes these noises. my son is making noises with the phone. i know he knows my voice. it helps me, you know, be close to my 6-week-old. >> coming up. >> hey. >> cedric poore gets a visit from his wife. later, two best friends await transfer to prison. before they leave, one receives devastated news from home. which means it's never been easier to get a new passat, awarded j.d. power's most appealing midsize car, two years in a row. and right now you can drive one home for practically just your signature. get zero due at signing, zero down,
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>> everybody looks up to me because of my soap sculpturing. it gives them something to admire. they all appreciate it. >> richard roberts says it was an earlier stay at tulsa county that led him to discover the incredible things he could do with the shards of soap. now, other inmates contribute to the raw material. >> i get deliveries in my window sill or under my door. a guy brought me a bag of broken up soap. everybody contributes. >> his soap sculptures were confiscated. as contraband. >> that is a very talented man. he is extremely talented. it was one of those situations where i didn't want to take them. i knew for the betterment of the facility i had to. >> because i took soap out of the shower off the floor that was garbage and made something beautiful, i was penalized for it.
>> i explained to inmate roberts what the problem was, of it being an unsanitary situation. he really didn't quite get it. >> the con if ication confiscation of contraband is roux tine at the jail. robert's case is brought to the attention of the woman who runs the facility, michelle. >> he had an elephant sculpture with the big ears, tusks, was phenomenal. phenomenal. i wish they could use those talents for something other than soap sculptures in jail. >> the staff followed policy and confiscated the sculptures. all is not lost. the chief put them on display. >> i moved them down to the library where my programs manager is. we are gearing towards an art program. we have so many programs right now that talk about life skills and getting your g.e.d. and all the bible studies and the church
programs, but we don't yet have something geared toward the creativity of the individual inmate. so, she's putting together an art program because that shows everybody that they can do something positive while they are in jail. if we can have one person leave this jail better than what they came and give them a skill or a tool to use when they leave so they can get a job that may affect their coming back, that one is a success. >> in robert's hopes, he might be the jail's next success. >> is that it? >> that's it. >> he entered a guilty plea. on his charges of domestic assault and battery and larceny. the judge gave him a suspended sentence of 18 months plus time served. today, roberts will be released and have a chance to make it on the outside.
>> one moment you are tied, you are locked, shackled, then one moment all of a sudden the chains are gone and now you just ready to fly away. >> cedric poore looks forward to a release date as well. that's not likely to occur anytime soon. he and his brother are charged with the execution style murder of four white women. before he stopped speaking to us, he thought race would affect the trial. >> truthly, i didn't expect to get no fair shake at this anyway. we're in the state of oklahoma. was four white women that got killed. me and my brother are two black gentlemen with prison records. i mean, you do the math. >> cedric says, if nothing else, he can prove he's not a racist. his wife of five months just arrived for a visit. >> you here to see -- >> cedric poore.
>> what pod's he in. >> j-11. >> cedric poore for a noncontact, please. >> i'm waiting for her to come through. >> what do these visits do for you? >> keep me motivated, keep me going. keep my spirits up. get me to think about everything besides these four walls. >> hey handsome. >> how you doing in. >> good, how are you? >> cedric is very family oriented. he's quiet, if you don't know him. not racist. yeah. the media is portraying him to be racist. obviously, i'm white, his best friends are white. he's not racist. >> i miss you. >> i miss you, too. >> i don't know if they know he's married to a white lady. surprise. >> i want to touch. >> i know. anxious. >> this glass is killing me. >> frustrated. >> that will work, too. that will work, too. that's the closest we can get baby, for now. >> i know.
>> when i learned he had been arrested and charged, i actually had to pull over and vomit on the side of the highway. my world has changed in every aspect. i have received threatening texts on my phone telling me to do the world a favor, put a gun to my mouth and pull the trigger. i love you. >> i love you, too, baby. >> i love you more? >> can't, it's not possible. >> yeah, it is. >> it's not. >> we'll just say we are even. he was very close to both my kids. he taught my 15-year-old to drive. he's not going to be here when she gets her drivers license. i'm going to get upset, sorry. >> what have you told your children?
>> not to believe what they see on the news. i wouldn't be with someone that could do something like that. >> how you doing out there, emotionally? >> i'm okay. >> no more roller coasters. >> always going to be a roller coaster with you in here. i'm handling the roller coaster better. >> you at the controls now? >> yeah. >> that's what i'm talking about. all gas and no brake. >> yeah. >> all gas, no brake. >> sorry. i wish i could fix it. >> i wish we both could fix it. it will be all right. you fixing it right now, you here. you fixing it. it will be just fine. >> i believe my loyalty and commitment to him has been shown and he realizes that he chose the right person to marry because i am willing to be with him through thick and thin, good and bad, till death do us part. >> kiss.
>> i love you. >> love you too. >> one more. see you. >> love you. >> love you, too. bye. get a sense of calm when you know you have somebody there for you all the time. now, this is like the ultimate test. she's like front and center. she don't care. she's right here. i'm a little bit lighter. anything that's going through my mind or the doubts i have running through my heart at times, all that gets taken away. coming up -- >> let's get ahold of chaplain. >> a phone call brings tragic news for a tulsa county inmate. ♪ at any minute... ...you could be a victim of fraud. most people don't even know it.
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five years in state prison. she said her goal this time was to overcome her addiction and become a better mother to her three children. including her infant who has been in the care of her brother. >> is one of my officers up there? we have an issue. >> now sergeant collette received tragic news. last name wise, w-i-s-e. first name michelle. she doesn't know or maybe she does know, i don't believe she does, this her child died. the baby was, i believe, two months old. let's get ahold of chaplain to see if he's aware of that and rehouse her in medical, if we can. thank you. all right. bye-bye. >> so, sergeant, what is that about? >> if she doesn't know the child has died, i want to make sure the chaplain's office knows.
i sent an officer to go there and make sure they are aware her child did die. then i have her going to mental health department. we have a person on staff right now, make contact with them so they are available to her and talk to her. at the very least, i want her to move to medical where they can keep a closer eye on her. the jail chaplain delivered the devastating news. it was almost one month later before wise was willing to discuss her son with us. >> my son stopped breathing. my brother found him unresponsive in his crib. and, i don't know. >> his death was attributed to s.i.d.s., sudden infant death syndrome. >> i didn't believe it at first, i thought it was a sick joke.
i just, i didn't believe it. i don't know. i mean, you know, i got three days with him in the hospital. my life has been so messed up because of my drug addiction and because of my choices and my mistakes since i turned 18. i have two other children that i lost due to my drug addiction. this was going to be a chance that i was going to have to change. to be different, to have my son, to be a mother to my child. that's why this is so much harder because all of me, every bit of me wanted to change. that last day was the hardest when i had to say good-bye because i didn't know how long i was going to, you know, i didn't
know how long it would be before i could see him again or hold him or smell him. now i can't hold him or smell him or see him. >> jail officials permitted wise to attend her son's funeral. >> i remember him being warm and soft and holdable. not in that casket and being cold and stiff. but, i don't regret, i'm glad i went. i probably would have regretted not going. >> wise, who no longer has a relationship with her son's father, last saw her brother at the funeral. she's not been able to reach him since then. my brother got two full months with my son and i got three days. and now my brother is nowhere. my baby is dead and he's gone. i don't have my baby and i don't have my brother. it's -- i don't understand how he can't. i know he's grieving.
my son is gone and my brother is gone. it's like [ bleep ] i'm here by myself, and i need my brother or my baby, one of the two. >> is there someone here you can talk to? >> i don't want to talk to people. i just want people to leave me alone. i go to all my classes at nighttime. i lay in bed and i have all kinds of bad thoughts. >> normally, wise would have had her best friend and her brother's girlfriend, trinty baker, to speak to, but baker was transferred to prison two weeks earlier. >> it was so sad watching her go. a crying battle. she was a really good support for me, you know. i would like to think i was for her, too. it was sad watching her walk out. >> let's go to the chapel.
>> today, wise will have someone to speak to, her brother. chaplain farnam arranged for them to have a contact visit. >> he agreed to come at 10:00. he may be running late. >> is it past 10:00? >> yeah. >> a short time later, it's apparent her brother had not made it to the visit. >> i just want to see him. >> i know. we are going to work on you seeing him, even if you don't see him today. the problem is, he's running through the same processes as you. you know the other day on the phone you told him it isn't his fault. you talk to him about that. but you telling him that and him coming to the belief of that is two different things. you realize that, don't you? >> yeah. >> remember you questioned the other day, was it something you did prior to your child being born? you questioned all that. david is going through the same things. he's questioning, is it something i did? could i have done it different or better? until he settles those questions
in his mind, as much as he knows you love him, it's hard for him to come see you. for that reason. there's two reasons he might not have made it. you just doesn't know what to say to you yet. i know that doesn't help your feelings any because you want to see him. >> it makes me angry. >> it's fine to be angry. all we can do is try. we can't make him come. >> i know that. >> she really wants to see her brother, michelle does. she had no answers yet. she's hoping by seeing her brother, she can get answers. most of all, she feels for her brother and wants him to know she cares for him, loves him, doesn't blame him and that's what she wants him to know. ♪
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