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> you have seen us catch online predators. you have a record? >> i'm guessing i do. >> this time, a dangerous convicted sex offender shows up in our kitchen. what were you convicted of before? >> then there's this guy. he's seen us on tv and men arrested in front of our house. guess what he does? >> i don't know if she was 13, no matter what she says. >> here's what happens when a predator is caught in a trap. >> i'll shove that camera down his throat.
>> from set up, to takedown. this is predator raw. riverside, california was important because it was the first time where we did an investigation. once we finished and the men left, riverside began their investigation. this particular investigation was the highest number of men ever. 51 men showed up at our house in one day. set your stuff on the counter. you knew what? >> i was in trouble. i'm not relaxed. i'm not going to give an interview.
>> you're not going to give an interview? >> i'll just get in trouble. just bored and silly. >> what are you doing here? >> i'm stupid. >> this is a guy who not only had been caught before and knew it, he had seen one of our previous investigations. and when he first showed up at the house, he saw police making an arrest just outside of our undercover house. so, he leaves, he gets nervous and calls the decoy, they say they are doing a drug best, don't worry about it. he comes back. why did you do it? >> i don't know. bored. i just, you know -- >> so, you were bored, you were going to come over and have sex with a 13-year-old girl? >> no. no. i don't know what i was going to do. >> you are keith, right? >> correct. >> your last name? >> williams. >> we have done the research on their background to determine if
there's criminal history and whether or not they are a registered sex offender. and we have the chat law. it's there in black and white. he thought he was going to meet a young, teenage girl. what was going to happen if i wasn't here. you have boos. >> that's all it is. >> you are going to booze up a 13-year-old girl. >> i don't know if she was 13, no matter what she says. >> what did she tell you? >> you are right. i'm telling you, i am wrong. >> it's not your first time down this road. >> i gave you my word, i'll get rid of my computer, i'm not that great on it anyway. i'll go to meetings, whatever you want me to do. i'm not kissing your ass, i know i'm wrong. >> they deny, deny, deny. but, williams, almost immediately falls on his own sore. he's admitting to me, yeah, i was wrong. i shouldn't have done it.
what's going to happen to me now? he wants to figure out how to move through the process as quickly as possible. >> how much trouble am i in here? >> how much trouble do you think you are in? >> a lot of trouble. >> you know what you said online. >> it's so much easier to type things. >> barely 20 lines into this. >> i know. >> are you a virgin. >> it's boredom. >> why not find a hoby or something? >> you are right. can we get on so i can get in trouble? definitely wrong. do i go to jail, what do i do? >> often, i feel it's necessary to weed back significant portions of the chat because it will jar the guy into actually speaking. it's a way of getting these guys to tell their story. many of them will just say yes, no, i was wrong, i'm sorry, can i go. i want to know what was going on in this guy's head. take naked pictures?
>> i don't know. i'm not denying anything i said. it's all right there. >> what kind of panties do you have on? >> okay. >> what size boobs do you have? >> yeah, i know. i'm just an idiot. >> can i video tape us? are you going to sell it? no. i want to watch it and masturbate. >> i'm wrong. do you understand i'm telling you i'm wrong. >> have you done this before? >> i have talked to girls but never met anybody. >> ever talk to girls who are underage? >> i don't know. i have talked to girls but never met anybody. >> you ever heard of a group, perverted justice? >> yeah. >> you were posted here after talking to a girl who said she was 12. it's a chat log. >> i understand. >> take me inside your mind. what's going on? >> bored. i'm single, i'm bored. >> no girls your age?
>> i didn't say that. there is. i date people my age, you are right. i's not like -- actually, 13 is way young and wrong. i don't know, maybe something in my head goes -- >> something in your head goes what? >> something is wrong. you are right. i don't know. like i said, i'll go to meetings, whatever. >>itis part addiction, part compulsion. they develop these addictions on the internet. there's 24 hour days, seven days a week access. there was porn scythes and chats. the only thing that will satsz fi them is the face-to-face meeting. the computer part doesn't thrill them. they need that next level of excitement. do you ever watch tv? >> yeah. >> you ever watch "dateline"? >> i have seen that. >> i'm chris hanson. you saw the earlier episodes. >> yes. >> let me get this straight, you
saw our earlier story -- >> right. >> you saw police out front yet you walked in here anyway? >> i'm bored, like i told you. >> you have to want something to risk coming in. >> i thought she was -- i don't know. maybe it's -- honestly, i don't know. i guess i'm going to walk outside and get arrested, i suppose. it's not that i'm a bad guy. i don't think i would have, i just -- do we have to have the cameras on? >> we do have to. you are free to leave. >> i'm going to leave that there. i don't want it. >> sorry. >> some do know what's going to happen next. it's interesting because sometimes we see guys stay and chat figuring, you know, i might as well hang here for a little bit. i know what's going to happen
when i leave. >> oh, man. i don't know what i was thinking. i was just bored. >> he knew he was in trouble and knew what he had done was wrong. he was going to work his way through it as quickly as possible. >> i'll shove that camera down his throat. >> i don't think you're going to want to do that.
he walks in and makes himself right at home. he basically acts as if he were showing up at an old friend's house. >> i wanted to take a shower real quick and everything. >> i don't know. >> we clearly have the element of surprise. i mean these guys, sometimes don't know whether to think i'm a mad dad who came in
unexpectedly, the police or an investigative reporter. so, their mind is rolling away trying to figure out how they are going to deal with the situation. and sometimes, they decide they are going to, you know, act like they did nothing wrong. >> come on over here and have a seat, please. >> geez. how you doing? >> all right. >> sit down. what's going on? >> just meeting a friend that i met on the internet. >> really. alan did not miss a beat. it was almost as if when i walked in i was somebody he had met before. no admission at all that this was a bad situation, that what he was doing here constituted a felony. now he's going to be my best friend. >> who is your friend you met on the internet?
>> sam. >> sam? >> yes. >> and sam is, who? >> a person i met off the internet. >> man, woman? >> i don't know how old, that's why i'm here. i'm curious. >> i'm sure they are curious. when you go back and read the chat log, it's not hard to see they were more than curious, they were there to actually have a sexual liaison. >> it was curiosity, absolutely curiosity that got me. >> what's your name? >> dan. >> your last name? allen. >> we knew there was a conviction in his past that had to do with a domestic incident, stalking. he got in trouble for that. here he is some years later, apparently willing to commit another crime. how old are you, dan? >> 47. >> 47. and you say, just wait one
second, you say, wow, 13. am i too old? am i too young? i hate to say this, you are not. why do you hate to say it? it's like i'm an old pervert. >> i have conversations like this with people that turn out to be guys more than half the time, you know, or they turn out to be nice women and that's basically how it goes out there. you know what i mean? >> if somebody tells you they are a 13-year-old girl, don't you see something inappropriate about that? >> maybe so. i had my doubts she was 13. >> if somebody says they are 13, maybe you should stay away. >> you are absolutely -- you are absolutely -- >> why take a chance? >> a couple past experiences, they are never 13. >> you have visited people online who said they were 13 before? >> well, yeah.
13 or 15. >> it's not the first time you have done this? >> well, no, wait a minute. i have never met a 13-year-old girl. >> what i'm saying is did you ever go meet somebody who said they were 13 online? >> no, not 13. 16, in my area and it was a guy that was, i don't know, mid-20s. he had the big laugh on me. that's why i was just very curious. >> there were a few moments when i was talking to him where i thought, based upon the look in his eye, that this could go a couple different ways. one of them not so good. >> well, i wish i could just run home with my tail between my legs. i feel like apologizing, but, i mean, like, it's cyber.
who do i apologize to? and, i don't know. i feel sick. >> well, i am not the police. but i am chris hansen with "dateline" nbc. he knows he's in a bad situation once the camera guys are on. so, he's not going to try to -- he's mad. >> well, i'll shove that camera down his throat. >> well, you better -- i'll shove that camera down his throat. >> i don't think you're going to want to do that. >> why's that? >> i don't think you want to do that. we can't keep you here. you're free to leave, obviously if you want to go. had he decided to pursue the more aggressive route and had he gotten physical, i mean, we had security there, and security people would have stepped in to prevent that from happening. >> okay. but can i talk to you outside? >> you can say whatever you
want to say -- >> no, i mean -- obviously want to say something off camera. >> i can't have the cameras turned off at this point. >> well, then i'd like to say that pretty much i think that you have it all wrong. but your point's well taken. >> if you want to follow up, my e-mail's on here, phone number's on here, you can call me, talk to me if you want to follow up. >> hi, guys. pretty weird. cut. >> i know that what he wants to do is get me outside off-camera and try to convince me he shouldn't be part of our investigation, and that's just not an option. and so, it sounds weird but i'm trying to be polite and decent with the guy, but yet at the same time suggest that, okay, it's time to go. they're going to stay on. you're free to leave at any time. i'm not going to try to keep you
here. if you have anything else you'd like to say, fine. >> no, you're just doing a story and i got caught up in it, is what you're saying. but it's probably a very good story. >> anything else you'd like to -- >> nope. >> you're free to go. why don't you come out the front way, if you'd like. >> sure. >> i think sometimes these guys are trying to figure out how they're going to leave. if they go out a different door are they better off doing that? most of these guys are not harden criminals who are going try to run from police. once they see that they're going to be arrested, that a number of deputies or officers are there they pretty much cooperate. how old are you? >> i'm stupid. >> how old? >> thoroughly, completely stupid. >> how old are you? >> 56. >> 56. >> i'm stupid. i've never done such a thing. god, please, please just go. le s store and essentially they
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and what i say as an answer is that the vast majority of these guys do not stand out of a crowd. they don't have the word "predator" tattooed to their forehead. hello? >> hey. go ahead and hang out at the kitchen counter, because i have to brush my teeth. >> okay. >> what's in the bag? >> oh. nothing really. >> good evening, how are you? why don't you have a seat on the stool, please. >> okay. >> do me a favor, just take your hands out of your pocket, if you would. what's going on? >> i'm going to leave. >> no, no, i think -- trust me, you want to chat for a minute before you do that. >> okay. i want to go, please. i -- i don't -- >> what are you doing? i want to see what's in your pocket. >> just a cd. >> of what? may i see it? >> songs i have. >> songs? >> yes. >> in stephen coates, you've got a guy who has a good job, successful executive. he composes his own music.
he's made his own cd. he's got his own website. he has a life, a wife, a son. it's never ceases to amaze me in how one part of a guy's life it can be so totally normal, successful, and yet they have this secret dark side where they're trolling internet chat rooms for dates with teenagers. and what are you doing here, stephen? >> i was doing something that i shouldn't be. >> and what is that? why don't you tell me? >> sir, i just want to go, okay, please? >> what are you doing here trying to meet a girl who told you she was 13 years old, stephen? >> i've never done such a thing and i didn't want to do it. >> why did you do it, then? >> because i -- i'm stupid. >> how old are you? >> i'm stupid. >> how old are you? >> i'm thoroughly, completely stupid. >> how old are you? >> 56. and i'm stupid. and i've never done such a thing. god, please, please, just go.
>> you can tell his first instinct was turn and go. then he thought better of it. we had a chat for a short while. you talk about sex and things like that, anything with boys or men in a sexy way? >> sir, please. i beg of you, believe me, i never done such a thing. i'm crazy. and i'm wrong. and i just want to leave. and i just want to have this -- okay, please, please i beg of you. >> this is a pretty sexually charged conversation for somebody your age to have with somebody who says they're 13. >> please, sir, i know. and i just -- i don't want -- i want it to end. i really want it to end and just go. >> well, there's a couple things you need to know. one is i'm chris hansen with "dateline nbc" and we're doing a story on adults who try to meet children on the internet. now there's -- there's nothing that i can do to make you stay here, but if there's anything else you'd like to say, we'd like to hear it. >> i'm sorry.
>> and he leaves to try to avoid being on camera anymore and as he gets to the end of the driveway, riverside county sheriff's department is there. and this is when he really starts to come unglued. >> please i beg of you. i just -- >> you beg of me what? >> just let me go, please. please let me go. >> are you serious? >> i'm very serious. i never done such a thing in my life. i never want to do it again. i'm just -- i just want to go, please? >> since you're the first person to say that today, we'll let you go. >> i'm a good guy, i've got a good job. i hadn't done anything yet, you know? but the reality is, the chat, the fact that they showed up, you know, that's a crime right there, in the eyes of the police. >> i've read all of your text messages that you had with this young female, all right? it's all there. all right? and you repeat several times, erase our conversations, you know, i can get in a lot of trouble with this. you knew exactly what you were doing. >> yes, that's right.
>> there's no doubt in my mind, or anybody that sees this, you knew exactly what you were doing. >> that didn't mean i was actually going to do it. >> sitting on your computer at home and enjoying the play, talking is one thing, all right? showing up at her house is a clear indication that your intent was to complete those three acts you talked about, anal sex, vaginal sex and oral sex. >> no, no, no, no, no, no, no. i never said anything about having vaginal sex. >> yes, you did. >> well, let me put it this way. whatever, i mean, you know how it is online. you talk to people you don't know who you're talking to and it's just -- i mean for -- >> he was in control of his life, up until that very moment and he couldn't control the fact that he was going to be on television, and he couldn't control the fact that he was going to be arrested. and that, i think, freaked him out. >> what did you think was going to happen?
>> i thought she was going to ask me to take her for a ride to get a burger, i would have talked to her a little bit. >> please. nobody's going to be home. nobody's going to see us. your brother's going to be gone, your parents are going to be gone. i just told you that i just read this, all right? >> i know, but that doesn't mean i would actually do it. there's so much fantasy online. >> you should have kept the fantasy at your house. that wouldn't have been an issue. >> i know. >> once you cross the line you crossed that fantasy's no longer an issue as far as fantasy online. >> it's a mixture of things. all of them tragic. if in fact a 13-year-old girl had been there, and there had been a sexual relationship and it's going to damage that child for the rest of his or her life. but at the same time, you know, here is a guy whose family is going to get this news, whose wife is going to say, what? his kids are going to say, what? and then that is equally as tragic, i think.
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next room on the monitor, as robert lyons came into the backyard and started to open the sliding door to come into the kitchen. >> just hang out at the kitchen counter for a second, okay? >> what happened? >> do you want a drink or something? >> no, that's okay. >> all right, hang out at the counter. i got to go get my shirt on? sit down at the counter for a second. i got to go get my shirt on. >> he was leery, suspicious. and sneaky looking. you know he looks in and peers around and as it turned out, lyons had good reason to be suspicious. it wasn't his first time down this path. >> robert lyons, lewd acts of a child 14, 15 years old. so same sort of sex rap. robert m. lyons, but what is crazy is that -- check this out -- he says in the chat that he is 28.
right? >> that ain't no 28. >> there's no way he's 28. >> in fact he was 68 years old. we see a lot of fibbing online about ages, but it's usually five or ten years, you know, not 40 years. >> this is his picture, right? that's his sex offender arrest picture. it's the same guy. >> yeah. yeah. >> everything is the same. >> when you think that this guy had just recently pleaded guilty to having sex with an underage boy, that he had the guts to tell somebody he was 40 years younger than he really was, and then to follow through on the chat by actually showing up, i mean, it's stunning. what was your plan here today, robert? >> no plan. >> no plan at all? i've got the transcripts of your conversation here.
>> i'm sorry? >> i've got the transcripts of your conversation here. you say to him, i'll be your girlfriend and you be my boyfriend, huh? he says are you a girl? you say, no, oh sometimes i wish i was. you say what do you wear? he says, panties, bra. it's a pretty sexually charged conversation, robert, to have with a 13-year-old boy. what conclusion am i to draw from this? >> just conversation that probably was offhanded. >> what it sounds like, robert, is that you wanted to come here to have a sexual liaison with a 13-year-old boy. >> no, it was not my intention. >> what was your intention? >> just to talk, whatever. >> the problem, robert, is, is that your history would contradict that.
given the fact that you are a registered sex offender, isn't that correct? >> correct. >> and what were you convicted of before? >> lewd conduct. >> lewd conduct. specifically what was that conduct? >> with a minor. >> with a minor. what did you do with a minor? >> sexual. >> in what way sexual? >> there was intercourse. >> intercourse. so you had intercourse with an underage boy? >> yes. >> even though we do as much background research as we can do on these guys, there are still certain things that you only find out once you are face-to-face and you can have a discussion. you were convicted of that. how long were you in prison for that offense? >> i'm sorry? >> how long were you in prison for that offense? >> i wasn't in prison. >> you weren't in prison? you got probation? >> correct. >> how long were you on probation? >> still on probation. >> you're still on probation now. so you're on probation for
having sex with a boy how old? >> 15. >> 15. and now you're in this house to meet a 13-year-old boy? how does that look, robert? >> i didn't know he was 13. >> he said so. he was just coming over to talk and hang out, he was not going to deviate from the script one bit. he was going to stick to his story until the bitter end. what would have happened if i wasn't here, robert? >> i don't know. probably would have talked and met up, that's it. >> talked and met up. is that what you did with the 15-year-old boy in the last case? >> i made a mistake. and i didn't know he was 15. he told me he was 18. >> what did you learn from your previous mistake? >> i learned to be more careful, stay away from -- not to be
subjected to the proposition or making propositions to anybody. >> but robert, you're in a home, trying to meet a 13-year-old boy. you had to register as a sex offender? >> correct. >> do you see a counselor? >> correct. >> you do? and when was the last time you saw your counselor? >> two weeks ago. >> two weeks ago. did you talk about your sexually charged conversation on the internet with a 13-year-old boy? >> no. >> why did you tell 13-year-old luke that you were 40 years younger than you actually are? >> because i think the internet is a place where you just -- it's so pretension. >> a pretension. >> you pretend to be this, pretend to be that. >> is this pretend what you're doing here today? >> no. >> seems pretty real to me. >> this is real. >> it's real. >> you showing up here is real. >> what does that say about your ability to distinguish between what is pretend and what is real? >> there's a fine line between
that. it's kind of -- >> you know what could happen to you now? as a convicted sex offender? >> correct. >> showing up here? what should happen to you? >> i'm not really sure. probably more enforcement of -- of my counseling. >> well, robert, i've got to tell you something. i'm chris hansen with "dateline nbc" and we're doing a story on computer predators. if there's anything else you'd like to say to us, we'd like to hear it. if not, there's obviously nothing i can do to keep you here and you're obviously free to go. he knows he's in significant trouble. i mean, if you go back and look at the record from the peeveious case -- >> drop it. >> it would appear that he perhaps got probation instead of
prison time, because the 15-year-old boy he pleaded guilty to having sex with told him he was older. >> how old, 68? >> and he wasn't going to catch a break on this one, because it said in the transcript, this boy was 13. >> robert lyons. i thought it was somebody else >> clearly he's had experience going through the criminal justice system, but it became pretty clear immediately during the police interview that lyons knew his way around the system and saw no benefit whatsoever in having any meaningful conversation with detectives. >> why are you here? tell me what's going on today. what are you coming over to the house for? >> at this point i think i will talk to an attorney on this. >> okay. >> so, a month ago, you got caught by perverted justice. >> i didn't get caught. >> talking to somebody who said they were underage?
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i've got the transcript, and she doesn't say anything about 18. the only thing she says is that she's 13. they have to make up this story on the spot. and when you have to make up a story, that quickly, you know it can sometimes be difficult to ad-lib especially when confronted with transcripts and the fact that you've brought certain things that you promised to bring a young teenage girl. 39? and why do you think it's okay for a 39-year-old to come visit a 13-year-old? >> it's not. >> then why did you do it? >> i don't know. i've never done it before. >> really? >> seriously. >> do you have a plan for tonight?
>> no, not really. i mean, i -- no definite plan. she kept saying something about sex or whatever and i told her i wasn't coming up to hook up. i just wanted to hang out, talk with her. >> that's hard to believe especially when you go back and look at the chat logs and the fact that they talked about bringing certain kind of alcoholic beverage and here he is with that exact type of wine cooler. what do you got in the bag there? >> she asked me to bring some of that for her mom. she said she was drinking some of her mom's coolers. or something. >> for her mom? you know, i have the transcript. >> but she said she was drinking some -- >> that's not what she said. >> yes, she did. she wanted me to bring some of those. >> for her. she likes them. >> she was drinking the ones out of her mom's refrigerator for her. i guess it would be to replace them. >> i don't know if he thought that up on the two hour drive here.
he stuck with that story to the bitter end. you ask her ever had sex with a guy before? yeah, one time. when was that? how was it? so, you think you can handle yourself then with an older man. >> just making conversation. >> maybe i can have a mom and daughter thing? >> yeah, stupid. >> you seem a little worried in this internet conversation about the possibility of her being a cop. >> you know i feel strange when i talk to people online because you don't know who they are. >> she pretty much said who she is. >> she said she wasn't a cop. or anything like that. >> that's right. >> she kept asking me the same thing. i said no. >> you say, i got caught. >> well, there was like an online detective or whatever that was in one of the chat rooms or whatever. and she said that she was undercover, whatever, for, i don't know what group it was or whatever. she didn't give me a groups name. >> perverted justice. >> i think so. >> you got caught one time by perverted justice? >> i wasn't doing nothing. i was just chatting. no sexual contact.
>> how long ago did this happen? >> a month ago or so. >> a month ago you got caught by perverted justice? >> well, i didn't say i got caught. she just said -- >> talking to somebody who said they were underage? >> yeah. >> and you didn't learn any lesson from that? >> i guess not, not really. >> did you send her pictures? >> what was on my little window. in my box. >> and what was on your little window? what kind of pictures? >> pictures of me. >> what kind? >> my face. >> apparently he got another picture of somebody else's genitalia and sent that, and i'm not sure why somebody would do that, but that's what he told me he did. i mean maybe i'm just getting older or maybe i'm square, but i just had no idea that so many people were sending these sorts of pictures to each other on the internet. >> just curious to find out if somebody's interested.
i'm not looking for girls to have sex with online. it's all conversation. >> all role playing? >> basically. that's what being online is? you can be somebody you're not normally in person or in life or your social life, whatever. you just -- you can be whoever you wanted. >> what should happen to you? >> i don't know. the words might say i was coming up here -- i didn't come here with condoms. i told her i didn't want to hook up. curiosity got the best of me. i don't know. >> you could have stopped chatting. >> i could have, right. i could have. >> well, scott, there's a couple things you need to know. one is that i'm chris hansen with "dateline nbc" and we're doing a story -- now he thinks, i suppose that okay, fine i just have to leave here and i'm golden. well, he finds out differently when he gets to the end of the driveway and runs into the riverside county sheriff's office. >> when you got here and then when you got here you got cut off before you could do that.
>> not necessarily. i got cut off -- i want -- >> you could have -- >> i'll talk. it's all talk. it's all talk, bro. >> it's not all talk. you drove physically. >> you're right. i never touched her. >> you actually drove here. >> absolutely right. >> so you've got a record? >> i'm guessing i do. >> you're guessing you do? >> i have a record. you know it. >> you had a problem with a young woman? >> a long time ago. huh...fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. yep, everybody knows that. well, did you know the ancient pyramids were actually a mistake? uh-oh. geico. fifteen minutes could save you...well, you know. avo: thesales event "sis back. drive"
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and a hat, and he looks like a hiker. and he's weary. thirsty. hey, sir, could you come back over here, please, and have a seat right -- you seem to be in a hurry there. have a seat right there, please. >> all right. please sit down. why were you in such a hurry to get on other side of the fence. >> i thought i was looking for somebody. that's all. i'm sorry. >> who were you looking for? >> john petterson. >> john? petterson? >> yeah. >> and why were you looking for john? >> i was going to talk about some business. >> and what business was that? >> i wanted to try to find a job somewhere, and i heard about john petterson. >> and why did you come to this house looking for john petterson? >> i had a phone call. >> a phone call? >> yeah. >> from? >> i -- in fact i actually don't know the guy besides the fact
that his name was -- i don't even remember his name. it was about five hours ago. i've been walking. >> so, you were just walking down the road and you thought that this fellow with a construction company lived in this house? >> somebody told me -- >> who is somebody? >> a young man on the phone. >> a young man on the phone. and how did you reach this young man on the phone? >> he had called me. >> he had called you, just out of the blue? >> no, i think he had my number. >> he starts to get into this well, i'm here to apply for a job. i said so you know the folks who live here? no, but i knew that they were looking for somebody to do some work. and i said, really, what kind of work do you do? well, you know, driveway work, resurface driveways and cement and stones. and i'm thinking at this point, okay, here we go. i'm going to let the line out here and see how far he takes it. and what's your name? >> my name is michael. >> michael. >> michael wooltsey? >> no, michael wehry.
>> michael wehry. you're saying this is somebody else even though we know you're at public library using a computer. >> you know i was at a public library. that's what you may know. >> you don't know everything i know. so you want to tell me the real story now, or you want to go with what you got? it's up to you. >> and what does the real story get me? >> it's not the first time somebody has tried to take that position. you know, that's an old e-mail account, i don't use it anymore. but when you take him through the math of the situation, okay, this is your screen name, right? right. this is the communication that we have between somebody using your screen name and a young teen and all of a sudden you're here. you, not someone else, your story doesn't make that much sense. now maybe i'm skeptical -- >> i don't -- >> but -- >> i don't know who you are. i don't know who you are. i came in here.
i was just told that gate's open, come on in, okay? >> it just defied logic. and at some point in the interview, you can see that he knew that this wasn't going to work out to be a great story for him. what this sounds like, michael, is that you were coming here to have sex with a 13-year-old boy. >> hell no. >> why would you say these things to somebody who you thought was a 13-year-old boy. >> somebody in the computer, in the library, been using my name. >> so, it's one big mix-up? >> i'm telling you what i came here. i don't have sex with anybody. not me. and if you were anybody that had access to my record, you'd look at my record, figure out the only time i had any problems with anybody was a young woman. unless you looked at my adolescent stuff, and then i was an adolescent. >> you've got a record? >> i'm guessing i do. >> you're guessing you do? >> i have a record.
you know it. >> you had a problem with a young woman? >> a long time ago. >> did you do time for that? >> don't you know? >> i'm asking you. >> why are you asking? >> i want to know the truth. >> yes, i've done time for that. straight up. i've done time for that. i was with a young woman. ain't no kid in me. >> we know that he's got a criminal history. and then we have this chat. it's right there in black and white. you're talking to a boy named luke. >> i don't know a boy named luke. >> i'll be there as close to 11:00 as possible. i will need your number so that i can call you when i'm near the bus stop. i will look for you and we will discretely go to your room and talk and talk about whatever pops up and stimulates you to whatever you want. >> you are reading me something that somebody wrote. i'm sorry to hear that. >> so i need exact bus stop near our place as i get off.
i'll walk toward your street. you also must tell me how to get to your bed from there. >> well, i don't know about what everybody -- that this person has said to a 13-year-old. i never met a 13-year-old. >> well, the reason i'm curious about all of this is that i'm chris hansen with "dateline nbc." and we've been doing a story on computer predators adults who go online to try to meet young teenagers. now if you have anything else you'd like to say for yourself, we'd love to hear it. if not, you're obviously free to leave and go on your way. >> i'm not doing anything. now, if there's not a scott petterson. >> do you have scott patterson's name written down? >> i have an address. that's all i was going to do. i don't have no phone number, no address. >> you never wrote down scott petterson's name anywhere?
>> no. >> he maintained until the very end of the interview that he was just a dusty, determined traveler who came from a long ways away to try to get honest work. the problem with that, of course, is that none of it makes sense. when you put it altogether, the chat, his crumbling story and the fact that, you know, he's the guy sitting in the kitchen across from me, you know, it doesn't look good for him. >> the young man i thought was supposed to be here -- >> what's that person's name? >> scott was supposed to be here and he didn't mention his name. i said look -- >> who is scott? >> the guy i was supposed to meet. i was told -- >> you work construction? >> i was looking for any kind of job. >> you don't work right now? >> no.
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