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due to mature subject matter, viewer discretion is advised. there's probably four or five names you hear and hope for. jimmy maxwell and one of them. >> after a daring prison escape, an infamous inmate is put into jail. >> i was not going back. i promise you that. jimmy was not turning himself in. >> james steven max well, he
would be considered somewhat of a legend around here. >> i've taken down heavies. >> but now consequences well beyond what a judge can give him. >> that's the next jimmy maxwell. >> it's hard to explain a wasted life. he felt like he was meant for more. >> i love you very much, brendan, and i'm sorry i wasn't there for you. >> now lockup telling the story of a criminal legend, the family he left behind, and the devastating consequences of his decisions. living in the heart of tornado alley, people in tulsa, oklahoma know to be ready for a destructive force of nature. it's also that way inside the walls of a half million square foot structure in downtown, the
criminal justice center for the tulsa county jail. >> another day in para dice. >> most of the 1800 men and women have been charged with crimes and awaiting trial of the resolution of their cases. but newly arrived james maxwell is an exception. he's not only a convict, but is as familiar to staff and inmates here as the turbulent storms that proceed any twister. >> james steven maxwell, he could be considered somewhat of a legend. some of the inmates look up to him. they give him a lot of respect. he really upholds what they're going to call the outlaw dance with law enforcement. >> jimmy maxwell. jimmy's a legend in the
department of corrections in oklahoma. he's a tough guy. wouldn't want to be messed, for sure. good guy. good heart. but if you cross him, he's going to be strong. >> that man is 74-2 in the boxing ring in the penitentiary behind the fence. >> he spent most of his life behind bars, not learning just from fighting. >> he's escaped from several facilities in the state of oklahoma. he got a reputation of not being able to be held. >> and just 14 hours earlier, he fled an oklahoma state prison 60 miles outside of tulsa. he suffered a black eye and shoulder injury when apprehended. >> due to the escape risk, handcuffs, leg irons and a box and a padlock. >> this was a system invented pi inmates in prison who have
learned how to compromise the handcuff. what it does is covers the key holes. that good for you? more slack? >> a little bit more. >> he might be a high escape risk. that's no problem. he's not going to get out of our facility. no way he's going anywhere. >> maxwell will remain at tulsa county until he is tried for the escape attempt. >> i knew the consequences when i did it. they were worth it to me. i almost got away with it. i wasn't out very long. i got away for about a day. i'm just waiting for the fog and i took off. >> maxwell has a total of ten convictions in the past 30 years. several for assault and battery
with a dangerous weapon. he was serving 25 years with the intent to sell drugs and assault and battery on a police officer. due to good behavior and the amount of time left, he had been transferred to a minimum security prison just three weeks before he decided to make a run for it. >> i went over a fence and caught my pant leg and face-planted into the ground and knocked my shoulder out of the socket. i had my arm over my shoulder, keep it from flopping around, it was dislocated. i was not going back. i promise you that. jimmy was not turning himself in. so i just laid down and just thought out how my arm goes together, and i had to lean forward and hook my hand and stretch it and just pray that it went back in, and it did. so when it slid back in, i was a very happy man.
>> according to police reports, maxwell made it to the tulsa home of his stepdaughter, stephanie. but a police officer was staking out the location by the time they left in a friend's truck. >> next thing you know, what in the hell is behind us? 30 cops, feds. i'm just so mad and so upset that this happened like this. because this was probably the only chance that i had. finally, when i got out of the truck, you know, i'm not come plying very well. i just turned around and took off. they shot me with a bean bag and tased me with a taser and set the dog on me. when it was all said and done, you know, i'm like, i mean -- i'm like, man, you guys -- i don't know how you did it, but you guys are good. i got to give you that. if i had made it this time, i just wanted to be somebody else. and just be a citizen. i figured that if i had stole a few years now, as much time as possible, who knows. if i could go out and live a citizen's life, one more chance, that if i did get caught later on down the line, i would have
been able to look back on my life and see i had a little bit of life to live. that i'd lived a little bit of life. that was my plan. not much of a plan, obviously, but if they wouldn't have caught me at that moment in time, who knows, i might have been living in l.a. you know what i mean? with blond hair. you know. >> coming up -- >> who knows how many people have been here drawing on the cell, not knowing what's coming next. not knowing where their life is going. >> jimmy maxwell settles in. and just down the hall -- >> i never meant to hurt anybody in my life. >> another maxwell ponders life in prison. [ woman ] too weak.
like many other urban jails, tulsa county invests in the training the staff to deal with personalities, problems, and emergencies. >> let's go, let's go. >> let's go. >> let's go. >> the jail opened in 1999. but before that, officials had recognized the importance of design and the management of the facility. >> stand right outside your doors, gentlemen. >> everything in this facility was meant to affect the mental state. there's no barbed wire, no tower, no way to tell it's a jail. in the general pop laying housing, there's wooden doors. why? if you've never been inside of a
cel and heard the metal on metal shut of a door, you don't understand. it's a mental thing. we have carpet on the floor. we have tables that are movable. we have chairs that they can pick up and move and sweep under and take them to the room and put them at their desks. and porcelain toilets and sinks. if you affect the mind set, you change the behavior. this was built for the officers who have to work here. it's their day that's affected by the mood of the inmates, not the inmates. >> thank you. >> while tulsa took strides to make houses units more livable, it's one-person segregation cells are more barren. they are security risks. jimmy maxwell falls into the category of security risks. >> how are you spending your time up here? >> planning my next move.
no, i'm just kidding. >> with ten felony convictions and a criminal record spanning 30 years, maxwell has seen the insides of cells. but in this one, the priority occupant did what he wanted to make it feel like home. >> it's not a big screen. but it's not too bad. we have a stereo underneath, pretty good speakers. this is one almost any cel is going to look like when you get thrown into it. it's going to look like this, smell like this, it's going to be hot like this, closed in and boxed in like this. and you're going to see stuff on the walls like this, some guy is marking down each and every day he has left. from 1350 to 1325. and then pulled chains and went to the penitentiary. and how many people have been here just bored to tears. how many people have been here not knowing what's coming next. not knowing where their life is going. here's days in the county jail, days? seg. days upon days in the crappy jail. past this, there's no end, just a gray, concrete prison. we don't mark the days on the
wall, we mark sets of pushups and things like that. because the days are ridiculous. you don't mark down days, you mark off years at a time. >> maxwell had marked off half of his 25 year sentence. his escape will add more years back. but now, as he awaits it, his time is made even more painful by the years another inmate may be facing. his son is in a cell just down the hall, and his future looks dim. >> my son is brandon maxwell. he's 19. >> i'm charged with second
degree murder. theft of motor vehicles and leaving the scene of a fatality. i never meant to hurt anybody in my life. i'm more of the type of person to help them before i hurt them. >> though brandon maxwell entered a not guilty plea, he speaks openly about the event. he says he was high on meth when he stole a van. according to police reports, the owner, a 45-year-old wife and mother rushed out to stop him and was run over in the process. >> when it happened, i didn't know i killed anybody. getting in the van, backing up, taking off. going over the curb, that's what i thought i hit. i'm terribly sorry. terribly sorry. if i could go back, i would.
i would take it all back. i can't. think about how her family is never going to get to see her. thinking about how she'll never get to see her family. if i have to do life in prison, it makes it easier to think about what i'm going through. >> the person that died in that -- and their families, i pray for ya'll, and i'm so sorry. and he is too. and he is too. he is a good kid. and he's got a lot of potential. and just seeing that go down the tubes like this, it's hard for me. it's hard for me. i haven't accepted the fact he's going to be a convict just like me. i'm not ready to accept that. i just knew his life was -- i just didn't want him to have to
suffer the things -- the life -- you know, i didn't want him to have to be sitting here like i am at this age. you know, it's hard to explain a wasted life. how you feel about it if you really -- it you don't -- if you really -- if you really felt like he was meant for more. i just hope for better. i just hope that he would have a good life. >> what would you say to your son right now? >> i'll tell him that i love you very much, brandon. and i'm very sorry. that i wasn't there for you. and i didn't live a normal life, that i didn't raise you like a normal dad. and that you're not in college right now. i would just tell him i loved him and that i'm sorry for my failings. not his. >> coming up, jimmy maxwell discusses the sort of thing that made him an inmate legend.
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more than 30,000 men and women are booked into the tulsa county jail every year. most leave within hours. but on any given day, there are about 1 00 who reside here until their cases are resolved in court. many have prior stays in the jail and in prison. few have been as well known in the population as jimmy maxwell. >> there are four or five names
in the prison system you hear of. folk lore. jimmy maxwell is a fighter, good fighter. he never lost. no nonsense. we were in the open prison, business is business. if you didn't have his money, you would get socked in the jaw, or ball bat to the head. >> he's notorious. that's all i can say. >> i've taken down a few heavies over the years. i haven't got a lot of tolerance for not paying me when i want -- when i'm supposed to be paid. >> it's the living, dope, cigarettes. that's just -- that's the -- that's the dollar in there. that's how we survive. >> but even in prison, maxwell says he did better than just survive. >> bought my wife is set of boobs from drug dealing activities. that was a mistake. you don't want to do that while you're in prison. kids. >> maxwell says his violence was steeped in a moral code. >> i don't pick on people. i stand for what i believe is right. it's just like the time that i ran into a guy that raped my wife's best friend. so i broke his legs, his arms and his collarbone and his fingers and everything else with a ball bat in the yard out there and crippled him for life.
and i knew damn well he was regretting forcing that girl to do whatever he forced her to do. but it's what he had coming. and i'll stand by that. i'll just stand by that. >> were you charged with that? >> nope. not until now, probably. but i'm thinking that the statute of limitations has got to be up by now. >> maxwell isn't laugh, however, when it comes to his 19-year-old brandon. his troubles are worse. he was given a 10-year prison sentence for violating probation on a drug charge. but he faces life in prison if he's found guilty of second degree murder. according to police, he ran over a woman who's van he was trying to steal. now he has been moved into the segregation for fighting. it's not the first time with problems. >> brandon has a number of disciplinary issues. he's been put in seg for assault and possession of contraband.
>> i was protecting myself. i'm not a violent person at all, though. but i know how to survive. >> and word of the son of jimmy maxwell is already beginning to spread. >> his son brandon is just as cool as he is. >> that's the next jimmy maxwell. >> he has not seen him since he was 16. >> he's about a quarter mile down the hallway. oddly enough, i feel closer to him. he's right down the street. >> i probably will never get to see him again. i might go to prison for a long time. and he -- he's going to go to prison for a long time and they're not going to let us be
around each other. >> for now, the only way jimmy can see brandon is through a newspaper clipping about his current troubles. >> i don't have any pictures to be honest. that's the only picture i have. a mug shot. and it's not a very good mug shot, either. this is very sad. that's his picture that i have, and i can see his eyes. i can see that red rim, and i can see that they're very sorrowful. >> sergeant collette supervises the segregation unit with them in different sections. he checks in on them ask knows jimmy. unfortunately you have to stay in there for a while. >> i know that. i cleaned up the house because i
was going to be here for a while. >> he asked me if we could move his son next to him in the same unit. unfortunately not, we have to keep that separate. family members and co-defendants have to be separate. he asked me to talk to his son. he was heading down the same road. >> all this trouble, he's facing time, and he doesn't know how to deal with this yet. i don't believe he's doing so well right now because he's struggling with his identity. my dad's son, i'm a convict, how am i going to live? have i got to live up to his reputation? make my own? he's going through a lot of stuff right now. >> as parents, you want the kids to do better than you did. maybe i can get him turned. go the other way. i don't know. my old adage, free your mind, your ass will follow. maybe i can get him to go along. >> you do pretty good. >> i try to. >> maxwell sees prison as a long
tunnel, and prays some day brandon will reach the other end. >> one foot in front of the other. and just keep on going. and to the end of that tunnel. and not make it worse. because it's too easy to do. and if he gets caught up in trying to live a prison life, then he's going to be subject to all the stuff that happens when you do that. happened to me. i wouldn't know what i was talking about if it didn't happen to me. >> coming up -- >> i'm here for for city warrants. i haven't paid any of them. like $19,000 worth or something like that. >> tulsa county plays host to another member of the maxwell clan.
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cumbersome and hard to maneuver and separated the employees. >> it has a large footprint. roughly the same size as ten football fields. among the unique features, along, steadily ascending hallways that connect the housing units. >> the longest is a quarter mile long. it's elevated as you go up. >> each corresponds with a housing unit, so if there's a problem, they know which to alert. >> because it's long, and going up. it helps us to see. we can have a visual on the inmates down the hallway. >> it has traversed by jimmy maxwell and his son, brandon maxwell. now a third member will walk it as well. his step-daughter, stephanie starr had been charged and released on bond for aiding jimmy in the recent escape attempt. she pled not guilty, and another problem brought her back to jail. unpaid tickets. >> i'm here right now for my traffic and city warrants. i haven't paid any of them.
kept forgetting. and, like, $19,000 worth or something like that. since 1996. >> but if starr is found guilty for aiding in jimmy's escape, she could face prison time. >> oh, yeah, the escape. my family is my family. i love them to death. i'm not going to turn my back on them, any -- whatever, you know, what i mean? i'd do it again in a heart beat. >> jimmy is unaware she's in the female unit. he's freshened up his cell getting rid of the graffiti. and found an old friend, will flowers in the cell across the hall. he's been trying to teach flowers sign language but with mixed results. >> man, it's been 30 years since i have done sign language. i'm a little slow. i probably suck at it. >> he's killing me. i got to tell you, he's killing me. >> you slow down. >> you are killing me. >> flowers is currently charged
with possession of a firearm by a felon. he's pled not guilty and is awaiting trial. but it was while serving time in prison that he got to know maxwell. the two can spend time together one hour a day when they are released into an enclosed rec area. >> it's nice, not like the park, i guarantee you, but it's nice to be out here, fresh air, out of the little old box. >> maxwell is still recovering from his shoulder injury he suffered during his escape. >> looking good. that was the wrong thing to do. oh.
>> so for now, he'll have to settle for being a spectator during rec time. >> this is just like being all dressed up and nowhere to go. you know what i mean? i can't even throw the damn ball. >> jacob smith is more than 20 years younger than maxwell, but is already familiar with the legendary oklahoma inmate. >> i have been in here for 14 months and just in that 14 months, i've heard a lot of stories, a lot of stories about jimmy maxwell. everybody knows who jimmy maxwell is. in here in the system, you hear stories about people who were bad asses and build up a reputation. jimmy maxwell is one of those people. everybody knows the story, some things he did on the yard. the people that jimmy represented. he's -- i guess in a way you can say he's kind of a legend throughout the penal system. >> at this stage of your life is that a good thing? >> it's a bad thing in the sense that i -- i mean, it's a good
thing if you're going to spend the rest of your life in prison and going to be here and this is your home and this is where you're going to reside. but this is not what i really wanted to do with my life. i'm going to be honest with you, even having -- even having, you know, i mean, the reputation and people know you, i'd give it all up just to be a good father. >> have you talked to your boy? >> no. i'm starting to wonder -- they're probably not -- it's probably not going to happen. >> i had an opportunity to meet brandon back when he first came here. and i have never seen a kid so full of life, so full of joy when he talked about his dad. i think he's -- he really looks up to his dad. >> thanks for saying that, man. >> absolutely. >> i think i needed to hear that. >> absolutely. >> and i haven't really heard that before. >> brandon maxwell has been released from segregation and returned to a general population unit. as usual, it doesn't take long
to meet others acquainted with his father, like david childers. >> his dad was a real good friend of mine. i met him in prison when i was 17. acts just like his dad. >> childers has a unique perspective when it comes to brandon following in his father's footsteps. >> i understand it. my first cell partner was my father. >> wow. >> i talked to my dad about it. and it hurts the father. to see his son follow in his footsteps. >> this is what the minister gave me that touches me in a way i really don't like if you know the truth.
walk a little plainer, daddy. walk a little plainer said a little boy frail. i'm following in your footsteps and i don't want to fail. sometimes your steps are very plain, sometimes they are hard to see, so walk a little plainer, daddy, for you are leading me. some day when i'm grown up -- some day when i'm grown up you are like i want to be, then i'll have a little boy who will want to follow me. and i would want to lead him right and help him to be true, so walk a little plainer, daddy, for we must follow you. that's what you're supposed to do. you're supposed to walk a path that your child can follow and be proud of and have a life and his child is supposed to be able to follow him from following you. he's following me, all right.
but he's following me right to prison. and that's not -- that does not give my heart any joy. it does not give me any peace. i didn't walk very good for him. >> coming up -- >> what were you thinking? don't you think -- >> what do you mean what was i thinking? >> don't you think you're getting old or jumping through stuff? >> jimmy maxwell gets a visit from another of his children. ir. to share with family. [ woman 2 ] to carry on traditions. [ woman 3 ] to come together even when we're apart. [ male announcer ] in stuffing, mashed potatoes, gravy and more, swanson makes holiday dishes delicious.
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to issue a sentence. as he approaches age 50, jimmy maxwell might be in the midst of a midlife crisis, re-evaluating what his reputation has done for him and to his family. >> i'm feeling desperate now? yes, i am. i have been spending time trying to get out of the mentality of accepting my life in prison, that now i have to get into the mentality of accepting it. and it's a fight. i'm fighting it every step of the way. >> maxwell was midway through a 25 year sentence for drug possession and assaulting a police officer when he escaped from prison. he's at tulsa county jail where a judge will decide how many more years may be added to the sentence. and his 19-year-old son brandon awaits trial for second degree murder. >> when he had problems, it was me not being there. >> i felt separated from my father. i rebelled. i made wrong choice. >> it doesn't help i'm as well-known as i am. and he gets this picture in his
mind of his bad ass dad. >> maxwell's step-daughter, stephanie starr is in the jail as well. arrested for failure to pay about $19,000 in traffic fines. she also faces charges of aiding her father's escape. >> you're getting released. >> i am? >> but today he's returning home. a friend has posted bond for her. >> somebody posted it. >> if starr is found guilty of aiding maxwell, her freedom
could be short-lived. >> sign, third line down where it says inmate signature. don't come back anymore. >> you say that to me all the time. yes. yes, i'm going to behave. >> jimmy maxwell has seen a modest improvement in his life. he's been moved to a new cell and roomier than his old one. >> my buddy will is next door. we can talk and pass stuff back and forth pretty easy without much fuss or muss. >> passing items involve aztec neek known as fishing. but they call is cadillacing. >> you got a newspaper over there? >> i got a puzzle, bro. >> they tie objects to string and send them back and forth under cell doors. >> he made good burry tos last night and sent them to me. >> under the door? >> under the door, yeah. it comes in a plastic bag like this, the burry to. and he made two, and squashed them and slid them under the door.
you can bring them back to life once you get them out from under the door. delicious. >> i had to smash the hell out of them, but you put them all back to shape. >> i put them all back, really? >> that's good, because i was thinking -- >> give me the recipe, okay? >> huh? >> give me the recipe. >> maxwell tries to keep his spirits up, but brandon's trial for second degree murder weigh on him. he allowed jail officials to allow him a visit with brandon, but as a segregation inmate and escapee, he's a security risk. >> there's a possibility that as bad as i don't want to think think about it, we may never see each other again. >> once a week he's allowed to see other members of the family.
his youngest daughter and her mother have just arrived for a visit. mary joe and jimmy are divorced, but maintain a friendship. they are here to get questions answered about the recent escape attempt. >> he thought it was an opportunity for a -- probably cost him the rest of his life. >> who are you here to see? >> james maxwell. >> j-2, i need james maxwell for a visit, please. james maxwell. >> all right. go ahead. j-2. >> are you thinking it's so stupid. i just can't understand his thought process. he's a grown man. i guess he knows what he's doing. or he thinks he does. >> he's a knuckle head. he always has been. >> while mary joe visits brandon, echo goes to see her father. these visitations have been the routine since she was a little girl. >> i'm kind of used too it, him not being there, having to see
him behind glass, going through security to be able to see him. my dad's been in here a long time. i hate it for him. you don't to want see anybody that you love locked up. but he wouldn't know how to act if he was out here anyway. my brother being locked up now bothers me a little more. just because he's my little brother. it's hard to know what i would say to my father, because i wouldn't want to hurt his feelings, but it's his fault. it's his fault that my little brother is here. >> hey, sweetie. >> hey. >> what are you doing? oh, you look so beautiful. >> thank you. you look handsome yourself. >> you're my daughter, you have to say that. >> what were you thinking? don't you think you're --
>> what do you mean what i was thinking? >> don't you think you're a little too old to be jumping through stuff? >> sweetie, i broke my shoulder in the process. i'm getting told to jump fences. i'm just so tired of doing time. i wanted to be out there with you guys. i just wanted to be free. i'm just tired of it. i'm tired of being locked up, being in jail and prison. i don't know what else to say. i get discouraged and things don't work as fast as i want them too, or i got more time than i expected. or -- i don't know, i don't want to be an old man getting out, and miss everything again being an old man. i'm upset that i got caught. i wanted to be at the lake this summer. you know what i mean?
i wanted to be visiting you all with blond hair. but i'm -- i might be able to get a chance to see brandon. and being able to do that, i mean, being here for him, being nobody else is going to say. i mean, to me, it's almost a fair trade. >> probably happened for some reason, you know? >> yeah, i should have never got caught that fast. that would have never happened without define intervention. >> huh? >> i don't know what's going on. i don't know how come things are happening the way they're happening. for life we can't figure out how i got here. we all grow. we grow up, you know what i mean? >> coming up -- jimmy maxwell find out if jail officials if the okay to a visit with his son. [ male announcer ] introducing new fast acting advil.
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>> hey we are going to go get jimmy maxwell. >> for security reasons, tulsa county jail officers never alert jimmy maxwell as to when or why they're leaving their cells. >> you'll be cuffed up in a black box and be escorted down by us. >> where are we going? you going to take me on out, huh? >> yeah, we're going to take you out. >> take me out forbu. burgers and fries. a field trip. oh. >> hey, boy. >> hey, boy. it's good to see you, son. it is going to be all right. it is going to be all right.
huh? >> good. >> yes it is, i promise you. >> jimmy and his 19-year-old son brandon have not seen each other in three years. while jimmy says his legendary status is one of oklahoma's most feared inmates, served him well in prison. it's cost him the ability to properly guide his son. but only now, with brandon facing prison himself, acan jimy offer some advice. >> no matter how it goes the you will have time to do. don't let this define you. don't let prison define you. there are people that are just, if there is any light at the end of the tunnel, it is so, so, so small. that they just make -- prison their world and home. i did that you get caught into living in the penitentiary. this its my home. this is where i live. when you stop caring. one day i was looking through my photo album. i had photos of you, echo, i flipped through there. flipped through there.
and as you got older and you got older, and you was almost teenagers. i just realized that -- that how much i let you down. and -- i mean, i spent all this time in here trying to be -- look out for other people. and look out for mine. and look out for, you know, fit in here. and, penitentiary, penitentiary. and you know it was -- you know, and i realized that it was you guys that needed me the most. and i, i let you down. and -- and you know, man, i am a dumb -- i learned through the years and years that we wasted apart. there is a light. no matter how dim it may seem. it is hard to stay in the tunnel and watch for that light and go for that light. it is much easier to not give a [ bleep ]. i am going to tell you this right now.
i know you. and i, i can see the water in your eyes. and even when you are smiling. and i know how much pain and how much anguish you are going through right now. i don't want to see your whole life gone. if you get -- 20, 25, whatever, i am going to call that a blessing. if you get lucky, like that -- then you need to walk this walk, and walk straight out that door. and not come back -- like this -- over and over again. i don't want to get caught up in that neither. that's not my plan. and it's -- it never has been my plan. you know what i mean? yeah, we all get discouraged and do things. we are human. we are men. we get discouraged. but we got to pull ourselves out of it. like you say, and keep your eyes on the tunnel and the light. >> as far as the stuff. maybe that's not just what i was meant to do. god, or who ever, did not seem fit for me to get away. i am not -- upset --
with being caught. i, mean it will, that's not exactly true. i am a little upset about being caught. to be honest. i am glad i am here for you right now. >> everything does happen for a reason. it is obvious, where we are at. this all happened for a reason. we both needed this. i can't express to you how we both needed this. as the the visit draws to a close. the father and son have a final chance to be look other fathers and sons. >> put a little weight on. last time i saw you. >> you look good. >> that's rippled right there, bud. >> yeah. yeah. >> ha-ha. >> i think our time is about up, son.
> due to mature subject matter, viewer discretion is advised. there's probably four or >> an innate's troubled past lead to angry outbursts inside the jail. >> if i am to the point where i am mad and you are out here in my face. we will have a problem. >> i had put him in segregation from the moment he got here because of the combative nature and the way he was acting. >> another inmate arrives in the