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or someone said something to me about traffic issues up there, it wouldn't have been meaningful to me, because i didn't know there was any problem up there, because i didn't know we had actually closed the lanes up there before that. >> meantime, fired christie deputy chief of staff bridget kelly has imposed fifth amendment rights 5:00. let's bring in washington bureau chief lynn sweet and david nakamura to unpack the latest allegations. welcome to you both. lynn, do you see much of a difference here factually of what the governor said in terms of updating his statements of what he knew as of last night? >> hi, ari. i don't think the fact ball moved very much. now we know he's going to cooperate and respond to subpoenas, well, that is what one would expect from a governor. we don't know anymore facts.
what is interesting here, he is fighting back, that is his strategy, to aggressively fight back. he went on a radio show. a lot of embattled politicians might not have done this. so we don't know a lot more, but we've heard a lot more. >> we've heard a lot more, him get a chance to reiterate and add nuance to his theory of the case, and david, that is different from the type of approach we're getting from bridget kelly. i want to read something her lawyer said in a new letter that we have here at nbc news. the lawyer writes, the information demanded from ms. kelly by this committee in new jersey related to the reassignment of the access lanes of the george washington bridge overlaps with a parallel grand jury investigation being conducted by the u.s. attorney's office, david, that being the argument for why she is not going to provide evidence testimony or anything else. and yet i want to also read the conclusion of the letter that speaks to her rights and her rights not to be prejudged.
quoting the supreme court case, the letter states too many, even those who should be better advised view this privilege as a shelter for wrongdoers, but the privilege helps to protect the innocent who otherwise might be ensnared in ambiguous circumstances. >> i don't think so, because there's already been e-mails out sort of implicating her and that's how this scandal got started. i think for the governor, this is helpful she's not going to be out there talking about her side of the story, at this point. the big question everybody has is there a smoking gun that ties him to the knowledge of this, that's what david wildstein says, he has potential evidence of this. he has not really produced it, that's why you see the governor going on the attack and stand strong against any sense that he's changing his story or anything like that. >> david, you're referencing his
lawyer's letter, we're reading a lot of letters trying to make sense of it, yet one of the key points of distinction the christie administration has emphasized repeatedly is the language of the letter itself doesn't say that he necessarily has or retains or owns the evidence, but rather that it exists, right, david? >> exactly. so initially when this story came out, as you recall, when it was breaking ununfolding, it looked like there was actual evidence they had ahold of and could produce at a moment's notice at any time, but that's why the governor is standing firm and going on the radios, as lynn said, and seems to be putting all his eggs in the basket of show me the evidence, otherwise you have to give me the benefit of the doubt here. >> lynn, that is the difficult part for chris christie here politically, that's fine that people are maintaining some silence right now, perhaps for their own reasons, and that in bridget kelly's case, she argues she shouldn't be prejudged for it. on the other hand, as mentioned,
there's a grand jury investigation you can't take the fifth, where some information could leak out to the u.s. attorney's office. that could change everything. >> well, absolutely, and, you know, i come from a reptorial culture of corruption in chicago, where you can end up in a different place when you start. that's the danger of this to chris christie, but i think in this case we're doing parsing, ari, of these letters. >> which i'm always happy to do. >> right, but there is either evidence or not, and what the danger of writing a letter like that is, as david is saying and you're saying, there has to be a point where you produce it, rather than tease it out. you know, there's a lot of games of bluff going on, and christie certainly is a master of bluster, but he has to -- so the setup is, he has nothing to worry about, but he may not know truly what is out there and
where this path can lead. >> i think that's well put, lynn, and to your point, part of what makes this fascinating for people who want to watch it even a little like a "law & order" episode, whatever you think of governor christie, not everyone here has clean hands. david wildstein's letter is a product of an individual who is involved in the allegations and who is seeking his own benefits, not only immunity on one hand, which he's publicly said repeatedly, but also trying to seek the collection of money of fees from his lawyers from the port authority, so even if someone is skeptical of the theory of the case from chris christie, it's still, obviously, some of these allegations come from people who have their own agendas. david, i want to play for you something former governor ed n randle said as a simple management issue. take a listen. >> if it was me and i heard that the ben franklin bridge was
closed for five hours and causing tremendous traffic jams, i think i'd get on the phone and said you guys have 30 minutes to remove those cones or you're all fired. >> david, what do you think of that as a management critique? >> that's absolutely fair. anything happens that big and frustrating to residents and people coming into your state as some were, you're going to hear about that, you would think. you have, you know, mayor cory booker was famous for getting out and shoveling people's walks. that level of detail is what mayors and governors, you think, would know about and want to sort of address immediately. none of this is coming out well for governor christie. best you can do is hope there is no evidence that ties directly to the knowledge of this ahead of time or real time of this and can slowly fade away as the investigations continue to look morbid. still, raises questions about
who his deputies were and what kind of level of knowledge he had, even about how his state was running. >> david, to underscore that in the sound bite you ran, i thought the governor was remarkably blase about this massive traffic jam, even if the origins were innocent. >> that's a key question. the governor was talking about something that was obviously important to a lot of his residents. lynn, i'm going to leave it there, but i think that's one of the questions that's going to percolate. lynn sweet and david nakamura, thank you for your time today. >> thank you. >> absolutely. another sign in politics, sandra fluke is running for congress in california. fluke filed paperwork with the california democratic party to get its endorsement. she still needs to submit the official paperwork with the f.e.c. ted lou and wendy greuel are already in that race. it's an overwhelmingly democratic district and open
seat now because congressman henry waxman is retiring and he'll be a guest right here on "jansing and co." tomorrow, as it happens. we're going to check the news feed, as well. representative rob andrews is expected to announce in the next hour that he's resigning to take a job with a philadelphia law firm. the back story here, anndrandre resignation would -- president obama will be talking tech next hour at a maryland middle school. he wants to speed up plans to get american public schools more connected to the internet. the president is expected to announce the government will get 20 million students and more than 15,000 schools online in the next two years. now when all is said and done tonight, about 115 million people will be affected by this latest round of winter weather. areas around west virginia could see an inch or more of ice for the northeast. it's the second storm, of course, in as many days. some areas could see up to 12
inches of snow on top of the eight inch that is fell yesterday. look, folks, it is not over yet. forecasters are keeping an eye on a possible nor'easter for the weekend. good luck with that. now we turn to another important story, the convicted killer who peeled a hole in two fences with his bare hands reportedly to escape a michigan prison, well, he is back behind bars this morning. police arrested michael david elliot yesterday in indiana. investigators say he stole a woman's car and fled. she managed to escape at a gas station and call police. elliot was serving life sentences for the murders of four people. 49 full bags of heroin were found in philip seymour hoffman's apartment, and up next we're going to take a look at how heroin is turning into a full-fledged crisis in the united states. the vermont governor is one of the people struggling to get the nation's attention here. >> the war on drugs has been a disappointment and a failure,
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welcome back. autopsy results are expected tomorrow for actor philip seymour hoffman. the 46-year-old died over the weekend after police found more than 49 full and empty bags of heroin in his apartment. now this is one of the last portraits of the oscar winner. it was taken just a few weeks ago at the sundance film festival. his death is shining the light on a wider problem of heroin addiction that's been exploding in many parts of this country. 4.2 million americans say they've used heroin at least once in their lives, 4 out of 5 are also prescription drug users and the crisis is hitting all kinds of demographics. >> we think, for instance, we're
going to find this somewhere else, in the bad neighborhood, well, it's found rich people, poor people, middle class people. >> we are joined now by senior editor at "variety" and general barry mccaffrey. one of the features that's discussed is the cost of addiction. an oxycotin pill can run you $60 to $100. a bag of heroin is $6 to $10. speak to us about the access and some of the shifting practices that we know about here. >> i would suggest the cost is not a significant factor. what we care about is poly drug abuse, any drug abuse that causes you medical, legal, social, work-related problems is a difficulty. drug use in america is down dramatically since 1979, meth
use is down, cocaine use, binge drinking of alcohol, these are all the good-news figures, however, in the last five years, there's been a 500% increase in the diversion of pain pills, which are wildly addictive and heroin addiction, which has doubled in the last five years. rare behavior, but it's out there. >> heroin addiction has gone, as we have up on the screen, from about 214,000 to 467,000 in numbers last year. you, in your time as drug czar, spoke about a wholistic approach, there's areas where there should be punishment and also areas where we should tilt policy towards rehab, treatment, and drug courts. how does that fit into some of the decline you're talking about and yet the persistence of this problem? >> well, of course, the only magic pill on heroin addiction or poly drug abuse is talk to
your teenagers, make sure between the eighth grade and 12th grade they don't binge drink beer, use ecstasy or smoke pot. that's the magic solution. get them involved in sports, religious activities, boys and girls clubs, ek set ra. the drug court system has been magic in its impact on this problem, i might add. >> the recidivism rates bear that out. philip seymour hoffman here, he is not, of course, the only celebrity or talented actor to struggle with heroin. we think of people like river phoenix, janice joplin, john belushi. how does it affect, do you think, what people around the country perceive on this drug
use? >> also cory monteith from "glee," the autopsy found traces of heroin in his body. i think the problem is with the addiction that people don't think of philip seymour hoffman, as the face of heroin addiction, and with the media coverage and celebrities coming forward and grieving mourning his passing, people may realize this isn't something they think can just affect one person. the face of heroin addiction isn't just one face. i think that's a good message to put out there. as people continue to mourn and grieve, and it's very unexpected. i don't think a lot of people were expecting, you know, people in hollywood are just completely shocked. >> general, what about that? i mean, the pop culture impact here? >> well, it's a problem. our msnbc viewers need to understand, if you've got a heroin addiction and you're a family among your employees or
diversion of pain pills, treatment is effective. it's astonishing how well we can do with methadone, new drug vivitrol combined with counseling, but one of the ways to get over a tragic death of an actor, you've got to stay in relapse prevention. so he'd been clean and sober allegedly for 23 years and then relapsed. you've got to stay in alcoholics anonymous or narcotics anonymous, thank god for these two organizations, because i listen to one of the interviews a few days ago on another network and a guy described himself as a former heroin addict. there's no such thing. you're an addict and you have to deal with that and recognize it's a lifelong illness you're confronting. >> all right, general, appreciate you joining us, as well as ramin, thank you both. coming up, we're going to look at why this place in the olympic park is nicknamed, yes,
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there's a lot of emerging market turmoil and here at home really bad weather. that does disrupt activity, it does disrupt people getting out there and doing things like buying a car. >> so, yeah, enough bad weather may have people making a predictive decision about what they want to do? >> yeah, absolutely. last year was incredible, wasn't it for the markets? we had double digit rises for all three indexes. a lot of people are saying, okay, having a bit of a market rout right now, but whether or not you're planning to retire for ten years, 20 years, whatever, some are saying this is my opportunity to get in. maybe i climbed the wall of worry and didn't get in last year, i missed the boat. maybe this is my opportunity, the market is going down to get into the better price. >> fortune favors the bull. let's go to the super bowl. what do you got? >> whatever you want to say about the game and the abundance of really meh commercials, it was the most watched tv program
in history. do you know how many people tuned in? 111.5 million americans tuned in. that's like almost 1 in 3 americans tuned in. and i think what was really interesting, towards the end i kind of tuned out. i know how this story is going to play out, i tuned out maybe 11 minutes towards the end. but the nation's interest was pretty consistent all the way to the end, only dropped off 5% at the last minutes of the game and the advertisers paid record amounts, $4.02 million for a spot. >> ratings like that, probably got their money's worth. i'm from seattle, as a seahawks' fan, i watched up to the very end of the domination. thank you very much, thanks for your time today. >> thank you. people may be done talking about the super bowl, but lots of their comments will live forever, because the game was also one of the most tweeted events ever. almost 25 million tweets were posted about it during the
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21 states where democrats are defending senate seats this fall. joined now by emily and matt, former political director for george w. bush. welcome to you both. >> thanks for having us. >> matt, when you look at that map, how do you feel? >> well, i guess as a republican i feel very optimistic about this upcoming midterm election. i mean, the president's approval ratings are low nationwide, but particularly in the states you highlight, in some of these states like north carolina and in louisiana, where you have democratic incumbents that are increasingly worried about being too closely associated with president obama, obamacare, and some of his major policies. >> emily, let's unpack that. we had on the screen west virginia 67% disapproval, montana, 61%, south dakota, 59%, yet matt's argument seems to be disapproval of the president is equivalent to disapproval of his policies. >> yeah, i wouldn't feel quite
as confident as matt does there. in all of those states, they've had statewide elected democrats that have run separate and apart from the president able to get in, but also let's talk about states where democrats are going on the offensive. let's not forget about kentucky where the new polls showing the challenger to republican senate leader mitch mcconnell is actually in a dead heat. let's also talk about georgia, which is an open seat, where the democrat there is pulling four points higher than any possible republican, there are many in the race. i think the map looks fairly good, but additionally, the lessons learned from 2010 we will not see again in this race. the president is significantly more engaged in the races and a lot of democrats got nervous about obamacare and started to run away from it, we're not going to see that again. >> matt, your response and also your thoughts on where the economy comes in here. we've been talking about the markets, which, of course, have been moving around. democrats have been united with the president on trying to raise the minimum wage and extend unemployment insurance. your old boss, president bush,
was involved in extending unemployment insurance at one point. does the attack the democrats lodged that republicans just aren't concerned about those kind of issues or getting action, does that affect them in the midterms? >> look, i think democrats are going to try to use their best talking points, they are going to try to say there are senate races coming on the board that weren't on the board before, but for republicans, there are races like the race of virginia that are coming on that weren't before. almost ever prognosticator says republicans are going to pick up three to four easily and in some tighter races, six or seven. that's the map, and as far as the issues are concerned, yes, democrats are going to try to drive this income inequality, but after six years of obama and obamacare, do voters want to send a democrat to washington? >> emily, i want your thoughts on that. that's partly a political
argument, separate from policy, that inequality or ladders of opportunity is just a tougher thing to sell. >> look, but i think this is real people's lives. they do want to send a message to washington and overwhelmingly we see the message people want to send are to the congressional republicans. the republicans took a huge hit with the american people when they held the government hostage with the government shutdown over the debt ceiling. this is coming back up and the republicans are indicating they want to do it all over again. when polled, 54% of people say they would hold the congressional republicans responsible for not raising the debt ceiling and only 13% said they would point to both sides. so they want to send a message. it's the congressional republicans they are going to send it to. >> i do think when it comes to that plot line, a lot of americans have said they don't want to see a sequel to that. >> look at all these house democrats who are retiring, just doesn't make sense with what emily's saying. >> we'll keep an eye on the
retirements as well. matt and emily, thank you both. >> thank you. >> thanks. i want to return to the olympics. vladimir putin has made his way to sochi. sochi has been preparing for this seven years and it's transformed to a year-round international tourist destination with elaborate attractions like this amusement park, a russian version of disney world, a new highway, high-speed train line and tens of thousands of new hotel rooms. chris jansing is covering the games in sochi. chris, this is quite a transformation. >> yeah, i don't think there's ever been anything like this in the history of the olympics, more expensive, more extensive. in fact, this park behind me didn't exist seven years ago, and i think a lot of people forget that vladimir putin pulled off a huge upset when he got the international olympic committee to bring the olympics to a subtropical climate and all this money that's been spent and the reputation, the reputation of russia and some would say the
legacy of vladimir putin. now, as of now, we saw some little glitches today. they are letting people in the park tonight. they haven't quite figured out the traffic patterns, haven't quite figured out the ticketing. not unusual in my experience over seven olympics, but there are still 3% of hotel rooms that are not ready to go. they still have malls where they don't have stores up and running. in fact, one report in an entire mall the only thing open was a cinnabun, so while it's not unusual, the weeks leading up to any olympics for the question to be raised, are they ready. i think by any measure, ari, sochi is cutting it close. >> that's good to know. if it's going to be one store open, cinnabun would be one of the right stores to have open. i have to ask about the games themselves, some controversies about this slope style course, new x games competition and snowboarder shaun white will
compete, what can you tell us? >> shaun white dinged his elbow today on the approach to one of these huge jumps. for people who don't know what it is, because it is new to the olympics, let me explain it, these are snowboarders and go through an obstacle course, including three big jumps, one is 72 feet high and listen to what some of the snowboarders have said about it. from canada, he said, he felt like he was jumping out of a building. a finnish slope styler said the course simply wasn't safe and an american snowboarder said some of the guys and girls are intimidated -- can you hear the loud announcement that is in russia. so, look, they met last night after a three-hour rehearsal, the slope stylers met. some changes are being made to the course because they've already had one person with a broken collarbone out, another person taken off the course today on a stretcher. they are going to continue to make tweaks. again, in these kinds of sports, they are used to these tweaks. we'll see how this one goes,
ari. >> striking information, particularly if people are being injured before the games even start. chris jansing, thanks for your reporting. we'll have more of it throughout the week. >> thanks, ari. >> absolutely. now we're going to check the news feed again this morning. the senate today is expected to pass the long-delayed farm bill and send it to the president's desk. the bill provides expanded federal crop insurance, includes a compromise with republicans that would cut about $800 million from the food stamp program. one in seven americans receive benefits under that program and the bill clears the way for ten states to experiment with growing hemp, a nonintoxicating form of marijuana. the fda, meanwhile, is targeting teenagers in its latest antismoking ad campaign. $115 million in media ads will run in over 200 markets and that includes mtv and "teen vogue," a hash tag for twitter, real cost, and teenagers with yellowed teeth and wrinkled skin.
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your breath may be able to help doctors detect lung cancer. university of louisville scientists have developed a device that measures breath levels of four substances. when a patient has elevated levels of three, there's a 95% chance of a lung cancer diagnosis. facebook turns ten today, and it's come a long way for mark zuckerberg's harvard dorm room. today he reminisced with nbc's savannah guthrie. >> it's pretty mind blowing, i think, to think about. i remember really vividly, you know, having pizza with my friends a day or two after i opened up the first version of facebook. you know, at the time i thought someone need to build a service like this for the world, but i never thought we'd be the ones to help do it. >> mind blowing. now about 57% of adults use facebook, that's a lot of people
and 3 out of 4 teenagers between 12 and 17 are on the site. the company makes a lot of money off all of the semiprivate information people share, and yet one out of three users, according to new pugh data, say they strongly dislike how much personal information other people post about them on the site. joining us now for a little birthday conversation, bianca bosker and jack lerner, director of law clinic at usc. welcome to you both. bianca, let me start with you, you have data about -- >> it's my tenth facebook anniversary, as well. >> have you been on since year one? that's huge for you. doesn't make you unique. a lot of people are on it, but you as someone who is, you wrote basically it's not people are oversharing, putting out too much, they are oversharing, tired of this. and that goes to the point that a third of people are using the site, they are in there, yet
they feel that people sharing about them is intrusive. >> right. i think what's interesting, we were supposed to be the facebook generation and the way people talked about us and the way we were sharing initially in the first few years of facebook, you would have thought by now we'd be broadcasting from the bathroom every minute detail of our life would be up there for display. i don't think that's happened. yes, people are sharing up the wh wazoo, but they are not sharing their wazoo, right, and that's different than expected. i would argue facebook didn't succeed in changing the thing it wanted and needed to change most, which is this privacy norm. facebook, mark zuckerberg claimed he had in 2010 privacy was not a quote, unquote, social norm is what he said, but i don't see that playing out. >> let me tell you what i see it differently and i want to bring in jack. part of the issue is if you walk into a store and someone says you can have this t-shirt for free and you said cool, yeah,
i'm just going to need all of your photo albums and some passwords and everything you've ever done with your family and a list of your friends, you'd say that t-shirt doesn't sound free to me, right? but this has been so gradual, and jack, let me bring you in here, such a gradual digital shift that people don't think of the service having that cost, yet obviously the company thinks of it that way. >> i think you really hit the nail on the head, and i agree with bianca, i don't think privacy norms have changed, but the reason people are upset about facebook is it's repeatedly misled and manipulated users in sharing more than they are comfortable with. mark zuckerberg tried his very, very best to change privacy norms and in a way he's gaslighted us by saying privacy doesn't matter anymore. >> what do you mean by gaslighting? >> to say the problem is not with what we're doing, the problem is you're being overly sensitive or you're actually kind of crazy. >> yeah, see i call that the
reverse seinfeld, it's not me, it's you, and the company's often said that when people have complaints. yet there's another political piece which is the concern about not only corporate intrusion, but the government. take a listen to the nsa defense of its conduct recently. >> this is not a rogue agency. this is an agency that's pretty much followed the rules and has a very high level of compliance. most corporations wouldn't be enviable of. >> what do you make of the moment we're in where there's concern of the government vacuuming up this information but the defense is they handle it responsively and we've given so much out to third parties anyway? >> well, i think it's not safe to say the nsa has done well on compliance. the foreign intelligence surveillance court has reprimanded them repeatedly for violating procedures they've set up and really what the nsa has been able to do is go overboard with collecting information,
undermining encryption standards and gathering that is deeply disturbing to people and they've gotten the fisa court to approve that, but when you look at the secret or controversial courts approving, they don't really comply with the law. >> let me go back to bianca, moving from secret law to public websites, though, you think this is sort of wrong, this concern about facebook venting privacy. >> i'm not saying the concern, no, facebook is bending privacy, absolutely. i just don't think we're necessarily wanting to be complicit in that in a way it thinks we are, does that make sense? facebook -- >> last question, someone would say people our age are sharing a lot more than they used to because of this company. >> right, we are sharing more, but i don't think we're happy about it. i think we're taking a step to actually cover up. facebook is, in fact, taking the unprecedented step of finally allowing people to sign in anonymously into some of its apps. i think the rise of things like
snapchat, for example, is a tacit admission that things haven't played out the way facebook wanted it to. >> the company used to say to people, you have to be yourself, which for a lot of people, especially if you have a job where you could get fired over your politics or pictures, was very coercive, as you said, bended for that for competition. we have to go, bianca and jack, thank you very much. we're going to turn to another social media platform, today's tweet of the day from our secretary of state john kerry. "it took only a year, but the state department finally let me have my own twitter accoun account #jktweetsagain." radian. plus, it comes with a resealable wrapper for discreet disposal. you'll be ready to wear anything with the tampax radiant collection. you've got to try this sweet & sour chicken helper.
author, willow wilson. welcome and tell us why you wrote this. >> hi, thanks for having me. well, i wrote this after getting a call somewhat out of the blue from two editors at marvel who said we want to make this new super hero from scratch, who's young, a teen living in the united states and it was my first opportunity to create a super hero from the ground up, and i was very happy to have been asked. and it's been a very exciting process. >> yeah, that tells us right there, marvel was interested in expanding the comic book cannon, if you will. not everyone has welcomed it, including steven colbert. take a listen to his concerns recently. >> her name is camala khan and she can grow and shrink her limbs and her body and shape shift into other forms.
folks, if she can shape shift, that means literally anything could be muslim. a lamp, a sandwich, a tiger, a nonthreatening muslim. >> your response? >> i love steven colbert, and i thought that was a great clip. you know, i think it sort of drives home that this is kind of an idea whose time has come. i have to credit marvel, as well as the comic industry as a whole for responding to the fact that the comic readership is growing and becoming more diverse and wanting their stories to reflect that, as well. >> is this a story about the market audience, this is a company trying to serve the audience that's out there, or is this a story about higher aspiration that they think it's important somehow for comic books to have this, shall we say, diversity? >> you know, i think it's both. i think the comics market has been changing for a lot of years now. a lot more people are reading comics. it's really growing, and also at
the same time there's been a big discussion within comics about representation and the fact representation matters both with regard to female super heros, different experiences within the super hero world and breaking the mold so that the stories reflect the experiences of the people who read them. i think the great thing about comics is that it really is part of the ziet geist and shows us what we're thinking about as a culture and i think the diversification of super heros is part of that. >> that's well put. it's a fantasy that affects a lot of young people and adults, yet it's a fantasy that connects back to a lot of real world ideas and values. it's interesting. congratulations and thanks for telling us about it, willow. >> thanks so much for having me, ari. >> you bet. that wraps up this hour of "jansing and co.," i'm ari melber in for chris jansing. you can join us this afternoon online at msnbc.com where i will be taking questions as part of
this presumed guilty series, a program that offers veterans dealing with addiction a chance at rehab instead of prison. that will be coming up at 4:10 p.m. right after i get off the air with "the cycle" on msnbc, 3:00 to 4:00. that's what we call a double plug. check out one or the other, now richard lui is up next. what do you got? >> that's a double plug for a triple play. you're all over msnbc. >> you know it. >> thanks a lot, ari. the agenda next hour, first ta target, then nieman marcus, now popular hotel chains, as well. who's at fault, banks or retailers? banks and retailers point the finger at each other on this. new worries about the safety of water in virginia after a chemical spill. not everyone's convinced the water is safe to drink. plus, he's running for congress and when we say that, we really mean he's running for congress. running in four states, georgia,
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i want to say how deeply sorry we are for the impact this issue has had. we know this breach has shaken their confidence in target and we are determined to work very hard to earn it back. >> hello, everyone, i'm richard lui. that was target's cfo moments ago apologizing to the nation in front of congress about one of the largest data breaches in u.s. history. here's a live look now at the senate judiciary committee. members are expected to grill target executive john mulligan how 44 million credit card numbers, plus personal information from 70 million more were stolen. the senate held a news conference why it is so critical that something is done here. >> there has to be trust. without it, there will be perils to