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forward. not just three years. >> thank you so much. a key statistic about the amount of time black men spend with their children as fathers, we will put that on our website. i think you might be surprised by these statistics. that's all for this evening. the rachel maddow show starts right now. >> thank you for joining us this hour. in the indictment, they show his real name. tony mack. which is an awesome new jersey politics name. but tony mack apparently was not a cool enough name. according to the indictment, at least, his aliases included napoleon, the little guy, and honey fitz. honey fitz was duly elected in 2010. in the year 2012 the fbi raided his house. the following day the fbi raided offices at trenton city hall. and in the fall of that year, cement 2012, honey fitz, aka napoleon, aka the little guy
was arrested with eight other people including the mayor's own brother and the charge was corruption. the feds posed as developers and they offered the mayor a bribe in exchange for him ok'ing the development of a downtown parking garage in trenton. there was no actual planned garage and they were not real developers twaumpl a sting. the mayor said yes to the bribe. in february this month, he was convicted of all charges. he is due to be sentence in the may. and co-get decades in federal prison based on these charges and convictions. on the day he was convicted on february 7th, the associated press provided some helpful contacts for understanding how big of a deal it is for the mayor to be going to jail on federal corruption charges.
the short answer is, it is not that big a deal at all. not for new jersey. since 2000, the mayors of newark, patterson, hoboken pass aching, asbury park, orange and hamilton, those mayors have all been convicted or pled guilty of corruption. now you can add trenton to the list. you know kory booker as a united states senator. but before becoming a united states senator, he was not just the mayor of newark, new jersey. he was the first mayor of newark, new jersey, since 1962 to not be convicted of corruption charges and to go prison. yeah. new jersey is just astonishing. new jersey is a sewer of public corruption. but since the latest mayor was convicted in new jersey of corruption charges, since honey fitz tony mack got convicted three fridays ago in trenton, what has been astonishing to watch is that he refuses to leave office will until yesterday trenton had as its
mayor a man until three weeks earlier had been convicted federal corruption charges and refused to stop being mayor even though he was convicted. trent object had somebody to replace him. they assumed once he was found guilty, he would resign but he refused. it was not until a superior court judge yesterday ruled he must be stripped of his office that he finally became not the mayor. >> you can't have a convict as your mayor. you cannot have someone who has just been found guilty of federal corruption charges and awaiting their time in federal prison serving as your elected leader. this cannot happen. this does not happen. except it does happen in new jersey. what just happened in trenton is not even unprecedented in the state of new jersey. one of the times the camden university mayor went to jail, he too had to forcibly thrown out of office by a judge because he refused to leave. refused to stop being mayor. in new jersey, this kind of
thing isn't even unprecedented. it is just how it goes. personal point of privilege myself partner susan is from new jersey. i was trying to explain to her about the trenton mayor, trying on explain to her how amazing it was to me that the convicted mayor of trenton was still the mayor of trenton even after he had been convicted. and susan looked at me. she look me right in the eye, dead eyed and said john gorka. in our family is shorthand for the john gorka song, i'm from new jersey which explains this whole thing. ♪ i'm from new jersey ♪ i don't expect too much ♪ if the world ended today ♪ i would adjust ♪ i would adjust ♪ i would adjust
>> i would adjust if the world ended. god bless you, i'm from new jersey. i don't expect too much. new jersey is the place where not only does the mayor of trenton get convicted. he refuses to leave office. before that the mayor of camden after he was convicted of corruption. when he did that, he was the third mayor of camden in 20 years to be indicted on federal corruption charges. new jersey is the place where the new mayor, the new mayor, the new young fresh faced of hoboken was in jail three weeks best agreed to take a bribe in an fbi sting. since the previous mayor was in jail at that time as well. new jersey is just a toxic meyer of public corruption. and it has been for years. and the people of new jersey, and particularly the cities of new jersey, suffer for the sins of its public officials.
parts of camden, new jersey, are worse off than any other single place in the united states. i would put parts of camden against anywhere else we've got in this country in terms the trouble. that's not because new jersey is a poor state. new jersey is a very well off state. the reason that parts of camden look like this is because of governance in new jersey is rotten. it is a place where for generations, the business of new jersey government has not been governance. it has not been the allocation of public resources to serve the greater good. the business of governance in new jersey epically and for way too long has been the business of people in government helping themselves. helping. they to public resources. people who are in government
using the power that government gives them to steal what ought to be public resources to use the great political scandal in new jersey that is afflicting the governor's hopes is not entirely about that age old new jersey problem. the bridge scandal, nobody appears to have walked away with envelopes stuffed full of cash from those closed access lane on to the george washington brigs ever bridge. the bridge scandal for the chris christie administration is about using a public resource. about using the world's busiest bridge as a weapon to apparently inflict some sort of petty political vendetta which still has not been explained. at least at this point we haven't seen the profit motive. it is the investigation into that scandal, the thousands of pages of documents that have been handed over and the intense investigative scrutiny from federal prosecutor and especially from the media that has uncovered a newly sordid picture of you how it works. it is not just in camden, not just the bad old days.
it is in the richest agencies of the state. and yes, it is different than having numbs write about your blatant issues. the problem of polluted governance in new jersey is the same. we got newly unredacted documents today from the new jersey legislature. these same documents that we had earlier. we just have fewer things blacked out with a sharpie marker. one of the lines that used to be blacked out but is not anymore is this one. it is in the middle of a conversation between bill barrone, two who have lost their jobs already. this is after the bridge lane closures, it is in october. they appear to be discussing a article that had covered the closure of those lanes. a newspaper article that ran in early okay. we think it was probably an article from the "wall street journal." that's what it seems like from
the context. and he says, maria cammella did not think much of the story meaning nobody is paying attention to the story we're talking about. he responded, bridget, same. meaning the staffer in governor christie's office. she also agrees there's nothing much to worry about with the press attention on that bridge. then we get to the line that was previously redacted. david wildstein said, oh, what does general want? the person who everybody calls general in the christie administration is this man. former attorney general david samson who chris christie appointed to be chairman of the port authority after mr. samson was instrumental and he is getting elected to be governor. after he headed up chris christie's job to be office. general samson is also a named partner in a powerful new jersey law firm call wolfe. he has done really, really well
for himself and gave david samson that job at that very rich agency. this is reporting from wnyc, the radio station. this plots the lobbying income of david samson's law firm over the years. you can see it here for 2007, 2008, 2009. governor christie ran to become governor and was elected in 2009. he resumed office in 2010. and yeah, look, wolff does a lot better once chris christie takes over the state government. and then he appoints samson. and then look, wow, oh, wow, hey. samson is doing really, really well once he gets that gig. these are the numbers for 2012 as well. david samson has been chairman of the port authority, the port authority has repeatedly taken
actions that have financially benefited mr. samson's clients at his private law firm. so for example, his law firm had a client that wanted to make more money on its commuter parking lots that it had in new jersey. a lot of people commute from new jersey into new york. they park their cars and then take some sort of transit into the city. one of those commuter lots was owned by the port authority. the port authority toned lot and this other agency operated it. the port authority charged rent in that parking lot. they charged about $900,000 a year rent. so yeah, the entity could make a lot of money off that lot. you charge people $10 a day to park there. they had to pay rent too. they had to pay rent to the port
authority and that reduced their profits. that entity david samson's law firm to see how they could increase that. so they said the rent should no longer be $900,000 a year. it should be $1 a year. port authority owns that parking lot. that mean the rent they were getting was going to a public agency which means theoretically that money was supposed to go to the good of the public. instead that money will be going to david samson's clients. and they in turn will pay his firm to thank them for having come up with this great arrangement. so it is a win/win. from their perspective. david samson's law firm gets paid handsomely for having saved their client almost $1 million a year on the rent. the only people that lose is everybody else. when the record first reported that story, david samson was on the record of having cast a vote in favor of that deal on the parking lot. that deal that so directly benefited his own law firm's
client. after that story was published, david samson had the port authority go back in time and recuse him from that vote after the fact. david samson did not even bother to try to retroactively do that. it concerns the town of harrison, new jersey. so mr. samson's law firm has a client that wants to build luxury housing in harrison, new jersey, and it would really help to sell luxury apartments in harrison, new jersey if there was a nice transit stop nearby where you could easily and safely get on the train to new york city. that would really help the property values. it totally depends on getting a new train station in harrison. david samson as chairman of the
port authority voted for a new train station in harrison. so i guess that's what public resources should be used to do. whether or not you want harrison, new jersey to have a new train station by all accounts they need a new train station. how can you take a vote on that when your law firm has a client with a financial stake in the outcome which means you have a financial stake in the outcome? we're from new jersey. we don't expect much. those are just a couple of the deals that david samson has been involved with that have turned up since people started looking hard into this. there are the hoboken allegations which are being used. david samson had a client who
was working on a potentially big lucrative deal. the mayor of that town said she came under pressure by members of the christie administration to greenlight that development for the clients. she said they threatened her. if they did not okay it, they wouldn't get any relief funds from hurricane sandy. those are public funds for the public need. the mayor's office, the christie administration flatly and staunchly denied those funds would being diverted for a private purpose. to try to make david samson's clients make money. and five people have left or lost their jobs in the bridge lane scandal in new jersey thus far. the governor's two manager, two people who worked at the port authority. do you know who still works there? david samson. he is still chairman, still casting votes. as of last night someone who has the unquestioning absolute and complete support of new jersey governor chris christie, no
questions asked. >> your top port authority appointee, david samson was the target of some criticism director foye. he was asked 20 new york daily news if samson had the moral authority to leave the agency, and he flat out said no. then wouldn't elaborate any further. do you still stand by him? >> strongly. >> governor chris christie speaking last night. not for the first time. he figured out how to convert his public position which was given to him by chris christie into a very lucrative time. john gorka. while chris christie was making that appearance, we got word from the legislative committee investigating the bridge scandal that they were releasing unredacted or less redacted versions of the david wildstein document. in a bunch of cases, we just get one line.
one new line. so a subtle change. the redacted version on the top and opportunity redacted version on the bottom. we get that new line, what did the general want? apparently referencing the form he attorney general david samson. here again, here's another one between bill barrone and david wildstein. this is right after bill gave his false testimony to the legislate you are with that testimony about a traffic study. right after that we get this new line today that we didn't used to have. kevin o'toole did put out a statement right after the testimony that backed what mr. barone said after that. senator o'toole maybe ironically or maybe just weirdly happens to also be the state senator who the republicans assigned to be on the legislative committee investigating bridge gate even
though he himself is tangentially involve in the scandal. we had heard there was a reference but now we can see it. even though he is on the committee, the co-chairs of the legislative committee investigating this issue say that senator o'toole may actually face questioning on this issue. which would probably mean that he would have to get up off the dais and sit in the witness chair and then come back to the dais later. or maybe i just talked like this. the one thing we got from the redaction is this. this is what we had before. this is the old thing. bottom of the page, this is where we previously had the messages. they're talking about people who are being delayed on the bridge because they shut down those lanes. and bridget kelly saying is it wrong that i'm smiling? that's pretty much all we had on
the page before everything else was blocked out. look at the new page. same page but he have different. what was redacted on the whole rest page is now evident. and bizarrely, yes, that is what you think it is. what was redacted on that page includes a picture of john boehner, yes. so in this exchange, this part that they've unredacted, banter a little about this rabbi in this photo with john boehner and what they think of this rabbi. david wildstein says of the rabbi, he has officially pissed me off. and bridget kelly responds we can't cause traffic problems in front of his house, can we? >> flights to tel aviv all mysteriously delayed. they're obviously joking around about this. this is six days after the traffic problems and it is clear in this exchange that they're referencing the idea about what they would do on the bridge. they're referring to have will ability to cause traffic problems for people who, i them
by using public resources to cause those private pains. and also there are things like they're joking. there is no sign that they did have problems in front of the house nor were flights to tel aviv. it seems clear they're joking. the rabbi has no idea what did he to get david wildstein so mad at him that he was cursing about it. he has no idea why he has appeared in these text messages. i personally would love to hear what john boehner thinks about him turning up in these text messages but so far no one has asked him. he clearly in h nothing to do with it. this is mostly just weird maybe it goes to the color and flavor that it is. it seal like it is just new jersey politics.
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i sat there for two hours yesterday with mr. samson, general samson. again, i'm confident that he had no knowledge of this based upon our conversations. and his review of his information. >> your top port authority appointee david samson was the target of criticism by the p.a. executive corrector patrick foye. he was asked by the new york daily news if samson had the moral authority to leave the agency and he flat out said no but then would not elaborate any further. do you still stand by him as your appointee? >> strongly, firmly. >> chris christie saying in no uncertain terms that he has no problems no, concerns about the form he attorney general of new jersey, who he calls general samson. he appointed him to be chairman of the port authority and who continue in that role today. david samson surfaces again today in these newly unredacted documents that have been released by the legislature. he has continued to be the focus some of very critical reporting on his apparent conflicts of interest as chairman of that
multi-billion dollar agency. chris christie has no issues with his performance. joining us, ted mann, it is nice to see you. thanks for being here. so chairman samson at the port authority standing his ground. governor christie has repeatedly expressed his steadfast support for him. is that surprising? >> i don't think it is surprising for people who have dealt with david samson who is competent and throughout this has insisted he knew nothing about what the people beneath him were doing and certainly in his public appearance of the most recent port authority board meeting where he said he wasn't going to be able to talk about this and he apologized on behalf of the port authority for inconvenience. he really made clear he wasn't planning to go anywhere. >> is it within his, is it his decision and chris christie's decision alone as to whether he goes?
>> a really good question. certainly the expectation within the port authority and i think in the political capitals of both states. if chris christie wants him gone, he's gone. certainly there's been no sign from either christie or samson that they think he has to go. there is a tremendous. a pressure on the new york side. obviously pat foye's public comments are part of that. again only foye's has had anything publicly about samson being unfit to lead. >> let me ask you about another angle about you've been writing about. on the day that bill barone delivered that, he talked about feedback and he responded, p.a.d.d., said all was fine. do we know what all was fine? >> we don't know what that means there. in his testimony he made reference to paul who is the head of the police union. he said he was the first person who had ever mention ad traffic lane change to david wildstein
there. this according to the union came as a surprise that he was going to be mentioned in this context. we don't know there if wildstein is telling barone the actual head of the police department approved of the testimony. we don't know why he would have been weighing in. we don't know if it is a reference to paul. we know on the first time through they blacked that out and that is for the legislate you are and probably the federal prosecutors to try to figure out what the police involvement was. >> and now he has stepped down from that role with the police department union. >> there are position is that he was handed someday to day operations to a deputy. he is not going to elaborate but he hasn't stepped down. that he is continuing in his position and we're not sure what that means. >> people think the story has been covered in a saturating way. i have to say there are so many basic questions about this that remain unanswered that had only get fuzzier and fuzzier. a reporter for the "wall street
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today these new partially redacted documents related to the new jersey bridge scandal were released to the public. why did we just get them? we have these documents a few weeks ago. but it is today that we're being allowed to see more of what was under the black magic marker lines that x'd out before. on december 6th, david wildstein
announced he was resigning as the director of interstate camden projects. don't worry that the job title seems meaningless. it is. it is the sweet job which paid him $150,000 a year with you the job had no job description. he had no official responsibility. a few days after he resigned that sweet job, he was subpoenaed by the legislature for documents related to the lane closures on the george washington bridge which he had arranged. he was asked to appear before the legislate our january 9th to answer questions and to turn over those documents. did he show up on january 9th. he brought the documents with him. but he wouldn't answer questions. he invoegd the fifth amendment and refused to answer anything they asked him. he wonltd even confirm that he had previously been employed by the port authority. david wildstein was held in contempt that day for refusing to answer the questions but did
he handled over about 900 pages of documents. of those 900 pages about, 40 pages were partially or fully redacted with a black magic marker. his lawyer said those redakss were things that weren't relevant to what they were at. but they said they would seek access to the unredacted versions of the documents and get them somehow. and here's where it really gets interesting. a couple weeks after they held david wildstein in contempt which means he will have defend herself against a criminal prosecution for being in contempt of the legislature, a couple weeks after that contempt ruling, his former employer said they would not be paying his legal bills. david wildstein would be on his own. the only thing bing david wildstein's financial situation is that he's been paid $150,000 a year. so he is not a poor person but even if he is very well off it has to be a little daunting to
know you're not only being blamed for this scandal and the governor you've known since you were teenager and whom you've served loyally for years is denying he never really knew you. and not only are you being categorized as a rogue operator and you've lost your job because of it but now you'll handle the legal bills for all of it yourself? it has to be daunting to know that one of the consequences you're facing here, which no one else is facing is you potentially being personally bankrupted because of your role in this scheme. which after all you didn't do alone. well, after the port authority said they were cutting david wildstein loose and making him pay for his own defense, mr. wildstein sent a letter pleading his case arguing against their decision to not fund his legal fees. that same letter was the one that says evidence exists trying governor chris christie to having knowledge of the lane closures. if there was any george washington bridge left to burn
between governor chris christie and david wildstein at that point, i think with that letter you can consider that bridge burned. and now this. now these unredacted documents. the unredactions that david wildstein that carefully censored. what's going on here? earlier this month dade wildstein's lawyer met with a special council whose who have is advising the legislature. they sat down with david wildstein's documents and they negotiated line by line, redaction by redaction, what could legitimately be excluded from the public record because it really was not relevant and what information should be released. they worked together line by line to produce the documents that we got today including the new information that was previously secret information that they decided together now is relevant to the investigation
that we didn't know before. and that means that david wildstein is taking at left a baby steps toward assisting the investigation. at least kind of. two of the other people who lost their jobs in the scandal are doing the opposite. they're not only not helping. they're not handing over documents. they have a court date on try to argue to a judge that the fifth amendment protects them from having to hand over any documents. but their former colleague, david wildstein, he's the one who really got hung out to dry. not just fired, but blamed and denied and attacked by the governor he was so loyal to. and now potentially bankrupted in the process. david wildstein obviously knows what happened in this scandal. he organized the lane closures in the first place. he knows what happened. he knows why it happened. and presumably, he knows everyone who knew about it and when they knew. has david wildstein now moved from being part of the traffic perpetrator's defense to being on the other side? to being on the side of the folks who are investigating this
bridge scandal? and if he has split from the defense to the other side, what does that mean for the future of this story? joining us now is a senior political reporter from the new jersey news website. thank you for being here. >> thanks for having me. so david wildstein and his attorney basically gave themselves up to the special counsel to show all of the unredacted documents and this is the product of it. will this help him in some way? >> you know, it might. i think you may have hit it on the head in the opening. he may have been forced to turn this stuff over anyway. eventually if this committee was going to take him to court to try to get those unredacted documents, some judge was going to do what they did, i assume, go through line by line and see what should remain redacted and what had no bearing or what needed to be turned over. i think he just saved himself, you know, i'm sure you guys went through this as well. there's no smoking gun certainly in what was turned over. it makes david look bad, but david looked bad anyway. the whole, making fun of the rabbi and all that stuff. you know, his reputation is not coming back from this anyway, so
i'm not sure that really hurts him. it saves him having to go to court to fight this bat physical they try to get these redacted documents turned over. so i think it's just easier for him to go through. they turned over, who knows, maybe on the other side of it, there was some gray area and the committee said we can go without that one. who knows what the negotiation looked like. but i think you're right, i think it probably just saved h him some headaches. maybe it buys him a little good will, maybe it wasn't. but it saves him some grief. >> the reason he seems so important here is that he knows everything. if you had to pick one person who you wanted to get the real story from, this is the guy you would pick. he knows what bridget kelly was talking about when he says time for traffic problems in ft. lee. you know from going way back in new jersey journalism and new jersey politics, if he has been scorned by chris christie, scorned by the people who previously, he worked with. and sort of blamed for this thing to, and potentially bankrupted for this thing, is he the kind of guy who would hold a
grudge? lash out? >> i don't know that side of him, but yeah, i think so. and the speculation we've all sort of had is when christie threw him under the bus with the, i was an athlete and the president of the student class. i don't think what dave david was doing in those days. we were at different lunch tables. that had to sting a little bit, considering he was taking the fall for this thing that i'm sure he thought he was doing on behalf of the governor. so i wouldn't be surprised if that's part of it. if there's something going on here where he's saying i'm not going down alone for this. there were other people out there. >> i'm going to go down i'm going to make sure i make it worth -- >> when he first turned over the initial documents, it was like a loaded gun aimed at ten different people in the city of trenton. there were random one-offs that maybe they needed to be in there, maybe they didn't. but they were in there. >> he seems like a guy who at least know what is he's doing, even if we're not quite sure yet. thank you for being here.
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brewer's decision to veto arizona senate bill 1062 last night was celebrations. arizona will not have a new business climate where your gay friends and your straight friends may be cannot eat at the same restaurant. and so people waved flags and people celebrated and the social conservatives on the right got very mad on twitter. but while that was happening last night concerning arizona, at almost the exact same time, this was happening in the great state of georgia. >> just into our news room within the past 15 minutes, after backlash from gay and lesbian groups the so-called religious bill appears dead for this year's legislative session. members and supporters of the gay and lesbian community packed into a hearing this week at the state capitol. a senate committee has just pulled that bill from the floor. as arizona governor jan brewer was deciding to kill her state's religious freedom/discrimination bill last night, georgia republicans decided to kill theirs as well. and earlier this week, you may
remember, we told you about a similar bill that had popped up in mississippi. that bill was passed unanimously by the state senate in mississippi and was headed towards the mississippi house but then last night, a house subcommittee in mississippi decided to gut that bill as well. they removed the you are free to discriminate parts of it and left only the part of the bill that would put in god we trust into the mississippi state seal. we've now seen similar religious freedom/discrimination bills tabled or vetoed or deferred or withdrawn inform kansas and tennessee and ohio and utah and idaho and oklahoma and now arizona and now georgia and now mississippi. nine states. nine state governments have been evaluating this type of legislation. and in a number of them, it was racing through republican-dominated legislatures. but in nine state, all of a sudden, just in the last few days and in some cases just in the last few hours those states have either decided it's playing a little too fast and loose with
civil liberties or more likely they saw the firestorm that was unleashed in arizona and decided no thanks, we don't really want to deal with that. it's never over till it's over for things like this. for this experiment in >> another day, another batch of e-mails in the george washington bridge scandal. >> more e-mails just published by "the bergen record" today. >> newly unredacted documents. >> bridget kelly and david wildstein. >> this is not about the governor. it's about people very close to him. >> there's still a lot of information out there that has to be gathered. >> and tonight in boston, chris christie and mitt romney. >> they don't come better than chris christie.