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more of a ransom situation. ambassador marc ginsberg gets tonight's last word. thank you. >> good to be with you, ari. >> i am ari melber in for lawrence o'donnell. chris hayes is up next. scare tactics. let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews up in new york. let me start with this preventive war being waged on hillary clinton. it's right out in the open now. from benghazi and nigeria, all the forces of the right are closing ranks to attack their common enemy for 2016. bill krystal, the iraq war field marshall of the home war has waged war on her title, secretary clinton. rabd paul has said to relish his direct line of attack on clinton, and now marco rubio looking for any chance to line
up with the far right attack squad is joining the charge against the former first lady. some think this is preventive war, a nasty line of fire to scare hillary clinton from evening entering the presidential race. this is just the beginning, they're saying, of what we're going to throw at you. the second you throw your hat in the ring. if you don't like the heat, they're channelling harry truman here, stay out of the kitchen. well, this dreadful cam feign of personal attack suck succeed? will it drive the democrats' best hope from the field even before the battle? or will it shape the battlefield once he enters it, putting her on the nasty defensive from the day and hour she formally announces? that's all for history to decide. right now in may of 2014, the right is ganging up, turning its flame throwers on the person they expect to face an open rivalry. but a target they can hit now with impunity, knowing shellacs the quick reacting war room that served bill clinton so well when he first ran for president. the hard question tonight is the american right softening up its
target for 2016? or is it simply putting its fears on display, building uphillry clinton while it tries to level her? in either case, some of the same people who brought you preventive war in iraq are bringing you preventive war with hillary clinton. two great guests with a question. howard and stephanie, this week i began to notice the order of battle here. all of a sudden, all the guns, all the action, all the negative all the blame game is not going to barack obama so much but the next person they think they' got to hit. even nigeria. i want to start with these nigerian pictures. let's start with this picture which i think is going to enflame this country. all these are young girls taken hostage and god knows what future they face. maybe some have already been forced into marriage out there. when the papers are picked up tomorrow morn, the american people are going to see these
faces and they're going to be mad. the republicans want them to be mad at hillary clinton. your thoughts? >> there's no question, chris. what they're doing is what's known in the political world as pre-buttal. they're trying to get the narrative of hillary clinton's time as secretary of state out there in the public mind in the way they want to before hillary clinton herself comes out with her own account in the book she's been writing called "hard choices." hillary clinton knows for sure that her time as secretary of state is going to be a key factor and a big argument in her campaign for the presidency. i don't think she's scared by it at all. and i don't think that if she doesn't run that that will be the reason. i don't think they're going to scare her out of the race. but this essentially is campaign time. we're already function nationally in a presidential campaign between the forces that
you mentioned, everybody from rush limbaugh to alan west to marco rubio to the national review to rand paul. they're all in a presidential campaign against a woman who has yet to say for sure that she's running. >> are you surprised at the earliness of all of this? here we are. i'm going to say the end of the show, i i think she'll announce for president maybe a year from now, may of next year. so early to hit her. but is it unfortunate for her that she's being hit so hard now when she doesn't have a war room? she doesn't have a george steph -- stephanopolous or james carville. >> the republicans have been out of power for eight years by the time this presidential campaignished. and they are desperate to wingback the white house and they know that one significant person stands in their way, and she hasn't even decided to run yet or not. and so they are throwing out everything they can.
and i have to say this personally, i am disgusted by the fact that they are using a national tragedy for political benefit to themselveses. >> you're talking about nigeria? >> and benghazi. hearings after hearings, after hearings. the secretary released a report which is a rare thing to do, to be fully transparent. she's been nothing but forth coming. and here they go again. not only are they doing more hearings, which is fine. but to use it for political benefit and to raise money around it? i mean, this is how desperate these guys are. and i'm a political operative. i've managed some campaigns. i know that you attack the strength of your opponent, and that's exactly what they're trying to do here. >> the new charge from the right that hillary clinton bears responsibility for those kidnapped girls over in nigeria are based on her time at the state department. here's newt gingrich. he's always an opportunist. hillary clinton's leadership at as secretary of the state regard
ing nigeria. he said it's indefensible that they didn't name boko haram a terrorist group. by the way, newt gingrich, the fact is they named the three top leaders to the terrorists. meanwhile, andrew mccarthy wrielting in the national review, mrs. clinton, like the obama administration more broadly believes appeasing islamists, avoiding actions that might give them offense, slamming americans that provoke them, support peace and stability. hillary clinton's tenure at the state department was a disaster. more ridiculous still, listen to what rush limbaugh said just today. >> the boko haram leader or whoever, that performed on video is a good looking guy. this is why mrs. clinton wouldn't call this group a terror group.
because they're black. can't afford to do that. this is how surface conscious the left is. we can't call them terrorists because they look like african-americans. and we just can't go there. >> i have never heard more hogwash in 30 seconds. i've got to stephanie, a female, a woman. he accuses hillary of having some sort of sexual attraction or romantic attraction to the head of boko haram. this gets a little odd here. he's good look, he's black and he looks like an african-american. i didn't get a good look at the guy. i don't know what to say? sexism, weirdism? limbaughism. he's good looking?
what is that? how do you get that out of this picture? >> it's shocking. the republican, they have nothing to say so they're going to the bottom of the bottom here on attacks, pulling anything they can out. because the truth is, everybody knows that her tenure as secretary of state was excellent. and on the record, you know, month after month since she left, folks have been talking about how great of a leader -- >> does she need a war room right now? doesn't she need somebody to defend her, even if she doesn't run? >> the republicans are going too far. and the american people are seeing that. >> doesn't she need a war room right now? make news. doesn't she need a war room? i always thought the war room was one hell of a documentary on politics. george and jams and those guys did a great job of firing back. instant response, first responders. we've learned from dukakis. if you don't throw the crap back fast, it absorbs. your thoughts as a campaign manager? >> there's no campaign yet.
>> should there be a war room? >> she's got a lot of friends out there that are out speak on her behalf. she's going to go out there and talk about her book. >> even a great book can't stop this. she'll d a great job with the book, i know she will. but they'll have two more things on the road to throw at her. your thoughts. >> since i'm not a campaign operative and just an observer and a reporter who's covered a lot of campaigns, i know that attacks unanswered are to some extent attacks accepted. and i said a little earlier, chris, that this is functionally already a presidential campaign so i guess i would have to say
eni would say that she does need more loud and vig louse and specific and caustic defenders. is what limbaugh and others are doing is playing with deep fears and resentments in the american public and they need to be called out on it by people who have respect in american society. what they're doing is saying hillary clinton is an appeaser. you heard that comment. she's an appeaser of islamics. she's soft on this stuff. she thought that soft power and nice words are going to make ware way into the world. which really isn't hillary clinton's world view, really. >> she's a fighter. >> and she has to have people answering for her on that. i know she doesn't want to do it
herself. >> okay, we've got to go. >> to make your points, and to make a point to stephanie, too, how serious this is. more examples now. this is all just brand-new stuff now. marco rubio had some very tough words for her. let's listen to him. >> i'm sure he's going to go out. [ ing about her time in the state department. she's also going to have to be responsible for the failures in russia or benghazi that cost lives. >> what do you give her as a grade? >> i don't think she gets a passing grade. if she's going to run on her record as secretary of state, she's ultimately going to have to answer for its massive failures. he's the fuhrest politician i've ever seen, by the way. senator rand paul went after benghazi. here's more paul. >> this is about judgment. and we eke talking about should
we as a country have a commander-in-chief who didn't provide adequate security in libya, didn't send re-enforcements and then gave us nothing but spin? my opinion is that hillary clinton has preclauded herself from ever being considered from that position. bill crystal seems to be declaring war on her whole role as secretary of state. >> let's have a debate on secretary of state in the united states hillary clinton. what happened in libya? we intervened. i supported that. i think adam did, too in thorly 2011. what happened in libya over the next year such that benghazi got to the situation that it was at. >> bottom line, what do you think the impact of this early a tack and perhaps lentless attack from here on out is going to mean for secondary clinton and her ability to run. >> she's going to make her decision, you know with a lot of
factors in this. and she's been through this fire before. it's not like she hasn't been attacked before. what we're really going to start seeing is voters who are just disgusted by these nonstop attacks. particularly by a republican party that refuses to stalk about anything the voters actually care about. and 2014 is here. we have an election in november where the voters and everything i have seen, and i'm sure they've seen the same polling is about economics, economic opportunity, equal pay for women and minimum wage. they're so afraid of her they're trying to get her out now. and their attacks are just not going to work. >> they can also be effective even if they're scared. sometimes you're most effective if you're scared. >> i think attacked work. you have to throw it right back in their face or you lose. the faster of that was bill clinton. thank you howard fineman. coming up, can marco rubio as a member of the republican know nothings, the science deniers.
he says he doesn't believe humans are causing global warming. doesn't believe that these scientists, he calls them have concluded. he's trying to make his bones with the right. plus, rand paul has some advice for his party on alleged voter fraud. go ahead and pass voter id laws. just stop talking about it. people are on to you. and the wild cards, the senate race, democrats who have something to sell besides just being democrats. some good democratic candidates out there are making tougher for republicans than many people had expected. and back to climate change. the new sunday show, john oliver takes on the science deniers. >> the only accurate way to report that one out of four americans are skeptical of global warming is to say a poll finds that one out of four americans are wrong about something. anyway, this is "hardball" the place for politics. [ male announcer ] zzzquil.
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>> welcome back to "hardball." it's a recognized fact now that humans are causing global warming. 97% of the scientists agree that mankind is making the planet warmer. there's no debate among the experts. but most on the right now don't let facts get in the way of a good political pitch. the latest to into the hard right's know-nothing clown car is marco rubio from florida and of course, 2016 hopeful.
again, 97% of scientists agree that climate change exists. and that humans are causing it. and here's what rubio told abc's jonathan carl yesterday. >> i don't know of any era in world history where the climate has been stable. climate is always evolving and natural disasters have always existed. >> let me get this straight. you do not think that human activity, production of co 2 has caused warming? >> i do not believe that human activity is causing these dramatic changes to our climate the way these scientists are portraying it. i do not believe the laws they propose we pass will do anything about it, except it will destroy our economy. >> well, between gulps of water, maybe rubio ought to think once in a while. the right wingers exploded in his work with democrats to pass an immigration reform bill in the senate. looks like he's been trying to win them back ever since and it looks like he's willing to do or say anything to do it. the former deputy communications director of al gore's presidential campaign.
i think al gore, he can be a little odd now and then. he was very good at teaching us about an inconvenient truth. and the idea that a candidate of some education, like marco rubio, probably had a good education, comes out and just blanky plays know-nothing. plays stupid for the american people. you run for president of the united states by saying you don't understand or believe in science? what does he believe in if not science? does he have some other way of knowing things? explain. >> it sounds to me, chris, that he is -- what he blooes in is marco rubio is becoming president or getting a political future. that's what he believes in. >> he will say anything. >> and the problem for the republicans is they are basing their future on an ever shrinking part of the american electorate. people who maybe are upset because, you know, there are gay people in the nfl and black people get to be president. >> how does that fit into climate change. >> all of that. what happens with young people
in particular, you've got 735% of young people believe that climate change is real, 66% of them believe it's real. 75% of them believe that it is manmade. human beings are doing something about it. how do you have a future of a party when you believe the things that the people who are going to pop late that party in the future just don't believe in. >> but the republican members are pretty bad on this. there is a lot of rejectionism here. i think blindfolded rejectionism. they don't want to believe in science, in a lot of areas, but especially now climate. >> chris, only 1 out of 10, 1 out of 10 tea party republicans believe climate change is happening and that it's human induced. that means 9 out of 10 -- >> eex plain the psychiatrist of this. >> climate change skeptics. i think it's because uh become associated with liberals, like al gore and, of course, barack obama who they detest. i mean, george w. bush, republican president didn't do much about it, but he accepted the notion, eventually, took him
a few years into his presidency, to accept the notion that climate change was real and something should be done about it. his old man, of course, started off by going to rio and saying in the 1990s and saying we should do something about it. >> everything we believe in, you could get in here jamal in a moment. everything we believe about the doctors we go to, the scientific method, the notion of biology, the whole idea of, you know, evolution, everything is based on. how can they just deny science? do they have some other belief system than science? >> it's the same thins as creationism? it's the -- >> you can argue for creationism and still accept evolution. you can say that's the way god did it. >> people are out there denying science. it's like don't tell me what's going on there. it gets in the way of what i want to think, what i want to believe. they associate climate change
and concern with climate change with a political enemy. as they see it. and they also have a conspiratory notion liberals are doing this to raise taxes and other things. >> as david started out to say, father bush, george h.w. bush wasn't so bad on this. i remember talking to roger porter who taught me when i was in graduate school way back. they talked about cap and trade. it was considered a sort of conservative way to go after dealing with some of these problems. and now the republican party has just moved a market-based way. now for the politics, has moved so far to the right, they can't even acknowledge science and fact and numbers. and that's the thing that's going to get them in trouble when it comes time for these new voters. >> it fits into a pattern. by denying climate change he's playing to a powerful force on the hard right. more than 55% of congressional republicans are climate change deniers. and it gets worse from there. they found that 77% of
republicans on the house science committee say they don't believe it in either. and that number balloons to an astounding 90% for leadership in congress. and here's how james inhofe talks about climate change. he's on the senate committee on the environment. let's listen. >> the assertion that global warming is occurring today, that it's occurring because of the relief of co2 and methane and such as that, that's not a -- those people are -- it's really a hoax. the fact that all this is happening is due to manmade gases, i really believe is the ever hoax ever traited on the american people. >> there's an oil patcher talking. rubio himself has charged hard to the right in recent months. that's no accident. last june, rubio helped lead the senates of the gang of eight so-called to lead a bipartisan reform bill. it backfired on him in spectacular fashion, prompting the hard right to call him a
traitor. so in july, rubio made sure to prove himself by leading a house bill to ban apportions after 20 weeks. in october, he came out against his own immigration legislation. this january, he called for a senate probe on benghazi which brings us to yesterday when he denied man's role in climate change. what is this? is this him trying to make his bones, david, as we say in the mob. you've got to make your bones, go out and kill a bunch of people, prove you're willing to do anything? >> it seems that way. before the immigration debacle, he was considered a leading tea party candidate. a leading contender for 2016 and he just completely botched it. >> by doing one good thing? >> he watched rand paul and ted cruz get all the tea party hoorays. and he's been desperate since then. this guy comes from florida. he represents florida in the
u.s. senate. every assessment of what will happen to climate change points to florida as one of the key parts of our country that would be the hardest hit by climate change. so people down there ought to be paying attention to what he's willing to sacrifice for his own political prospects. >> by the way, just so everybody knows, what you're talking about is that miami, just about a few feet above the sea level down there. big climate change, which means the water level of the ocean goes up, florida, especially miami begins to go under water. it's a big deal, as you point out. up next, a real television debate -- well, a real one sort of, over climate change. this is "hardball" the place for politics.
tough questions like, if you were a tree, what kind of a tree would you be? or your place or mine, brokaw? >> that was barbara walters on saturday night live's weekend update making fun of at least one of her career highlights. next up as we discuss in our recent segment, marco rubio is now the latest high profile republican to question the cause of global warming. but rubio's political posturing on the issue is no match for john oliver who lost night pointed out how absurd the so-called debate over climate change really is. >> you don't need people's opinions on a fact. you might as well have a poll asking which number is bigger, 15 or 5? or do owls exist? or are there hats? the only accurate way to report that 1 out of 4 americans are skeptical of global warming is
to say a poll finds that 1 out of 4 americans are wrong about something. >> as i mentioned in the last segment, 97% of climate scientists agree that global warming is caused by human activity. here's what oliver did to level the playing field in the political debate over climate change. >> john, humans are causing climate change. no question. >> wait, wait, before we begin. on the interest of mathematical balance ill'm going to bring out two people who agree with you and bill nye, i'm going to bring out 96 other scientists. it's a little unworthy, but this is the only way he could actually have a representative discussion. climate skeptic, please make a case against climate change. >> i just don't think all the science is in yet. >> and what is the overwhelming view of the entire scientific community? okay. >> up next, the battle for the senate rages on. our new nbc polling shows democrats with surprising strength now in some key senate races.
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democrats in november, the gop hasn't got that senate majority locked up by any means. the national environment isn't entirely decisive in modern senate races. candidates and the campaigns they run matter, too. with less than six months to elections in november, arkansas senator mark pryor, once considered an endangered democrat down in arkansas, leading challenger tom cotton by 11 points. that's a pretty good spread. in georgia, a possible democratic pickup there. michelle nun trails david purdue by just four points and she's within a few points up or down of her four other possible gop opponents. in kentucky, grimes is only one point behind mitch mcconnell. 46-45, which means not really behind. the bottom line is democrats have good candidates and this thing isn't over. contributor susan page is
washington bureau chief today. chris, as much as i admire you, i got the feeling you were like an announcer in the seventh inning and one team was up by three runs and you're saying this game ain't over yet, fans. i agree with you, but give the argument why it isn't over based upon your analysis. >> it is undoubtedly true that these democrats, people like mary landrieu in louisiana, kay hagen, mark pryor in arkansas, they would rather be running in the 2008 version of the national political landscape than the 2014 version. there's no question about that. that said, unlike house races, where it's very difficult to differentiate yourself from the national party and the way the wind is blowing nationally, these senate races in terms of costs, people who have been around this business for a while, they have taken on, and i
use this phrase in the piece, they're as fundamentally minipresidential races. the voters are not necessarily just choosing between two parties like they do in the house. >> i get your point. personally matters, susan. i know people who fight, as ted kennedy used to say, sail against the wind. joe biden won in '72 when nobody won. i know. clinton got hit so hard in the midterm and again in 2010. they are big sweep years. how do you avoid a sweep if you're kay hagen. how do you avoid a sweep if you're david pryor?
you're asking the entire electorate in your state to say yes to a democrat in the year people don't feel like doing that. >> i think it's hard for democrats to hold on to the senate. but we're not set yet. a lot of things can happen in six months. if you just have a year that's not that great for democrats, but not truly a wave year, then you could see some of these senators hang on. although these were -- senators elected in 2008. barack obama was a big boost to them. it's been clear to them for at least four years that's not going to be a case when they're running for this next term. they've had time to distance themselves from the president on issues. >> some states have made an investment in some of these people. begich is second generation. the families have become part of the fabric of those states.
they can get through the wind. your thoughts? >> there's two ways of looking at it. i think republicans would essentially say, sure there are name, but that's not going to help them in state where is it's very hard to cobble enough democratic votes to get to 50%. to your point, chris, these are no-names. it's hard to to say this person is just a rubber stamp for president obama. if that is true, the senator we should be talking the most about is kay hagen in north carolina. if it winds out being you have deep roots in the state or not, kay hagen is different than landrieu or pryor. >> isn't keystone going to be a great opportunity for separation politics here? mary landrieu and begic would say i'm with keystone, i'm sorry
that's what i believe in. that could separate them from obama because he's probably going to be against it. that could help them be re-elect popped. >> i definitely think you're going to see democrats take that position. look at senator pryor in arkansas. this is the second respected public poll that shows him 11 points up over tom cotton. that is a real lead. that's not like a lead of one or two points that you really count as a tie. and mitch mcconnell despite the long history in that state, he continues to be head to head in a race for the candidate. >> do you think he's reached his sell-by date? he's not a family connection. he's just mitch mcconnell, politician who's got a lot of clever moves. has he ran out of moves? >> i think that's what we're going to see.
i think it's due to people in kentucky not really approving, not really liking mitch mcconnell. he has to overcome his unfavorable ratings. >> mitch mcconnell only has a few tricks to call on people. i've seen this guy make so many moves. i've had it with him. your thoughts? >> look, at this point, it's essentially unknown. she's run very few adds. people may know her last anytime. her father is an active politician. she's basically an unknown. the vote she's getting is the i don't want mitch mcconnell anymore vote. it's kentucky in a midterm election. harry reid in 2010. harry reid had the same problem
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welcome back to "hardball." republicans made suppressing the vote of people who tend to vote democratic a priority in republican-led states. their methods range from requiring a phototoe id to limiting early voting. 33 states issued legislation to restrict voting and so far in 2014, 18 states are already considering new laws to suppress the vote. yet kentucky senator rand paul, the potential 2016 nominee is criticizing his own party on this. in a recent interview, he said everyone is going completely crazy on this voter id thing. gentlemen, let's cut to the quick. does he want to stop the push to restrict the voters. does he just not like the smell or the look of it. which is it? >> he does not want to stop the laws.
he's not getting a lot of credit on the left for saying what he did say. now granted, while that may not be heroic, it is farther than lot of republicans are willing to go. to criticize these laws, to criticize republicans as being insensitive to african-americans for pushing the laws has been something that not a lot of republicans have been willing to point out. >> they dependent like the idea of being locked out again like the old days. >> right, that's right. there was a lot of evidence. there was so much anger among african-americans over the possibility of having their vote
suppressed and made them all that much more excited about going out to vote. remembering florida in 2000 and remembering numerous episodes throughout history of voter suppression. i think rand paul, chris, this is what i call the education of rand paul. you know, for those of us it's just like howard university debacle where he went in there lecturing the black folks about black history that he knew less about than his audience did. on a big listening tour. he's actually been listening and he's sensitive to how even if he flavors voter id, he wants to soft pedal it. because he knows there's a back will be there. >> last month, david axelrod asked rand paul about republican efforts to restrict voting rights. >> there's been a lot of attention paid all over the country rules to constrict
voting rights, asking for i.d. from voters, birth certificates to register. do you think that will send a negative message to minority communities? >> i think it's a mistake. i've done the opposite. i testified in kentucky for restoration of voting rights for people convicted of nonviolent felonies. >> last year at howard university, senator paul defended requiring showing some forms of i.d. to vote. here he is going in another direction. let's listen. >> i think if you liken using a driver's license to literacy tests, you demean the horror of what happened in the '40s and '50s, maybe from 1910 through 1960s in the south. it was horrific. nobody is in favor of that. no republican is in favor of
that. but to ensure an honest election is not unreasonable. >> i don't know which way he's running here. he says he's for it, against it. is he saying do it on the down low to use a local expression? don't be caught? >> listen to the nature of his comments. rand paul is an eye doctor, became a senator overnight, who is weaned in libertarian theory. he's saying listen, this is not a way of big inconvenience to show an i.d. but we're talking real world politics here and the mentioning just voter i.d., what it stirs up. he recognizes that, and on principle he says i favor it. but ooze a practical politician it's better that i don't talk about it much. >> i was told recently that what i feel is my birth certificate from nazareth hospital is not a birth certificate.
there's some other document i didn't even know about. i think any new requirements is going to make it harder for people who don't drive car, who don't have all this documentation. it inflicts a burden on them. does he want to screw the voter or not? >> well, here's what i would point out. this whole discussion we're having right now is one of tone, right? rand paul has changed the way that he's speaking to populations that have basically shunned the republican party for ten years. what he's doing that's very different from the other republican candidates is he's going to these african-american and hispanic populations and doing more than just talking to them about being poor. he's talking to them about restoring voting rights. he's talking about charter schools, school choice, economic opportunity. and that's where i think that he
could make a real impact. i think the jury is still out. he's got a long way to go. like was said to me the other day, i like what you're saying, but i am still not voting for you. that's where a lot of democrats are. >> he teases, but i don't think he delivers in the act. thank you, chris. we'll be right back after this. if i told you that a free ten-second test
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>> it's may. a year from now, hillary clinton will probably make it official that she's running for president to succeed barack obama. the democrats entered the white house in 2009 amid the worst financial crisis since the great depression. today, u.s. stock market stands at its highest level in history, approaching 17,000 points. under the preceding administration with republicans in control, the united states suffered its worst domestic attack in history. under this administration, u.s. forces found and killed the mastermind of that historic attack. under this administration, congress passed the national health care plan, which has been seriously advocated by presidents back to every republican's favorite democrat, harry truman. it's time for democrats to cheer these accomplishments and to push for two giant pieces of unfinished business. one is rebuilding this country's
assets, our road, rail and urban infrastructure. second is true immigration reform. but the two requires an historic upgrade in trust, trust for democrats. liberalism is not only about winning the argument but working to build a moderate america democrats have to make a commitment to efficiency that they will only spend on projects that deliver more than dollar for dollar in the investment. and prove themselves a sharp and faithful steward of public spending. to accomplish the second goal, they need to commit to a new immigration law that greatly decrease the work incentive for people to be here illegally. otherwise, we'll have to pass another immigration reform bill every 20 or 30 years to deal with the new millions of illegal immigrants. as i said, liberalism has to
work. that's "hardball" for now. "all in with chris hayes" starts right now. good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. the collapse of large parts of the ice sheet in west antarctica has begun and unstoppable. and marco rubio is probably running for president. >> it seems obvious you're moving closer to running for president? >> i've said it is something i'll consider at the end of this year. but i'll look at personal factors and also whether i could best promote this message and actually put in place these ideas that i want to see put in place. >> senator marco rubio says she's ready to be president, if the platform will allow him to promote his ideas.