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jobs. so, china, how does your own medicine taste? i mean, did you really think that you could spy on us? >> general motors must be feeling blue after being told to cough up some green to the government, but is it enough? after all, it's hard to feel bad for a company that only seems sorry they got caught. >> and in the spin from the head of the "new york times" to the head of the class, even on a monday, jill abramson shares a lesson about picking yourself up. a surprising decision about her grant. her "new york times" tattoo. what did you think? >> it's sad to say, but we all know the mud-slinging in washington has become political reality, but what about a political reality show? hmm. i'm luke russert here in d.c. in for ari melber this week. think of it as c-span, but louder. wait. isn't that msnbc?
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>> we are the place for politics, okay? let's start with the battle to the midterms here on the cycle. primary voting starts tomorrow morning in six states setting up some of the big -- i know that because he is playing that music we love. i love that music. he has a 20-point lead over his primary challenger, but is running neck and neck. his big democratic rival in the general. he is running and hoping to turn his minority leader title into majority leader. pulled by the friends at politico. sounds like the rope-off from lost in space who used to say danger, will robinson, danger. because there is mounting danger
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for dems in this fall's most competitive races. they would be up nine points if the general election vote was today. let's get started with alex sikz-wall, political correspondent at the national journal. the kentucky race is the most important in my mind. it seems pretty clear, and it seems like it's almost always been clear that mitch mcconnell will win that one, but has he been damaged by his battle against matt beveragen in a way that will help -- >> it's possible. he moved a little bit to the right to shore up his right flank. really i think he has to give matt beveragin a big slap on the back for imploding and doing the work of defeating himself himself. you know, beveragin ran from the right and accused mcconnell of
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supporting tarp. that was a big talking point, and then it later came out that that actually matt beveragin suspected tarp as well. that didn't really work out for him. >> mitch mcconnell is spilling over into the race in georgia. let's take a listen to what some of the primary candidates there on the gop side had to say about whether they would support mitch mcconnell for leadership position. >> if you were sxlektd if he is re-elected, will you support mitch mcconnell in kentucky as the leader of republicans in the u.s. senate? >> my answer is no. >> i'm going to support whoever will sign off on my drive to change the status quo. >> i made the strongest anti-establishment vote when i was one of 12 republican members that voted against john boehner. i never pledged what i'm going to do in the future until we
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look at who is going to be running. >> you have the two candidates that are not courage in congress saying absolutely not. i wouldn't support mitch mcconnell, the two that are members of congress are hedging. nobody outright supporting him. what do you make of this? is this representative of sort of a broader concern within the republican party about mitch mcconnell, or is this just a couple of candidates trying to battle to be the most anti-establishment in georgia? >>. >> it doesn't mean he is popular, that people like him. he is one of the least popular senators in the party. >> there's an anti-washington insider mood, and mcconnell is
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about as establishment and about as inside washington as you can possibly get, so it makes sense politically for these guys and women to oppose him. you know, whether that actually means that mcconnell will have a difficult time getting re-elected as majority leader or minority leader depending how the election works out, that's a whole other story, but, you know, if makes sense for them to throw him under the bus a little bit right now. >> let's stay right there in the peach state in georgia. it's a race i find quite fascinating because the democratic nominee, michelle nunn, has a very good chance to perhaps get an upset here. this is what she said to joye reid last hour. >> when i talk to people around the state, what they most want to know is what are your values and what are your ideas? you know, i think that georgians ultimately are looking for someone who represents and is wanting to represent the broad swath of georgians. i hear more and more people are tired of labels. what they're looking for is real leadership.
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>> so, michelle nunn there running a campaign that's very moderate. she's had these biographical ads that do not call her a democrat and the republicans they look like they're going to do their job to help her candidacy because now one of the more right like paul brown is going to win, but it seems whoever comes out of that primary won't get 50%, so you'll have a runoff that extends for nine more weeks. how much of a chance does initial nunn have here, and could democrats pull off this upset in georgia? >> i mean, you would never think that georgia would be the state that democrats will be looking to as their savior, you know, in an election year, but it looks like this is their best pick-up opportunity. kentucky would probably be the number two, but allison lundgren-grimes against mitch mcconnell not doing as well as nunn is, and, yeah, you're exactly right. you needed 50 plus one to make it out of the primary. definitely or almost certainly no one is going to make it through, so they're going to continue attacking each other and continue being pulled to the right. nunn is setting herself up as the moderate. the pragmatic.
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she used to work for george h.w. bush's nonprofit foundation. the daughter of former governor, very popular brand there in georgia. she did have a tricky answer when she was asked if she would support obama care. she said she couldn't possibly say whether she would vote for obama care or not, so it kind of sets up the difficulty of trying to straddle that bipartisan line, but, you know, if she can dial that in, then that's definitely the right place for her to be? >> yeah. absolutely. very interesting race to watch. pennsylvania is also holding gubernatorial primaries tomorrow. four dems are looking to challenge tom corbin, and two of them happen to be women. a great piece is out, and pennsylvania is one of the industrial northeast states that has yet to elect a female governor despite the region's "reputation as a cradle of liberali liberalism." the same for the states like rhode island and massachusetts. why do they keep hitting the glass ceiling? is it the strength of the typically male dominated unions in the industrial northeast? is it the electorate? is it that women aren't putting
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more money in? are they simply choosing not to run in these states? >> it's probably a combination of all of the above. i mean, allison schwartz congresswoman was probably the frontrunner from the beginning. she was -- for the gubernatorial nomination. everybody expected she would have a much better go than she has. the guy tom wolf, self-funding businessman, has spent i think $6 million in the race. she caught a little bad luck there. she also got involved in an intra-party controversy over the think tank third way. she was on the board of that, and she had to distance herself from them to some degree. this was when she rumored herself from all washington. she caught some bad luck, but i think there are definitely institutional barriers for women across the board, and you can talk to lots of women who will say the same thing that have gone through those glass ceilings. >> yeah. politico has a pull out today that confirms some of what we've already known that a lot of voters are with the democrats on issues like immigration reform, pay equity, gun background checks, but the number one concern by far for voters this
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fall will be the aca. 49% say that is very important to determining the vote that they will cast. it's interesting to me because it suggests that people care about giving to folks who are less fortunate when it comes to immigration reform or pay equity, but then when it comes to obama care, they feel differently. >> yeah. i'm really glad they asked this question because i think so often you ask people how they feel about something without gauging the kind of level of intensity behind it. you know, you can ask do you like chocolate ice cream or vanilla ice cream, and if auto 90% say vanilla ice cream but they don't care very much about it, they won't vote for it. when democrats tried to push gun control. the overwhelming country supports them, but they don't care enough about it to go to the polls. you have a similar situation here around most of the issues
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and the yort of issues that people support democrats, but they just don't care as much about those issues as the one issue that is really, really good for republicans, and they're hoping to cash in on this year, which is, of course, obama care. >> we here at the cycle feel compassion atley about ice cream. absolutely. >> rocky road all the way. >> chocolate, hello. >> up next, the hindenburg, the powder keg, the rolling sarcofagus, the kevorkian machine? don't use these terms when talking about gm, says gm. can america's largest automaker recover from the barrage of recalls, embarrassing leaked memos, and john oliver skewing last night. the cycle is going to roll on like a gm car. it's monday, may 19th. if i can impart one lesson to a
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the outrage is in overdrive this afternoon in america following those new revelations that general motors may have tried to cover up problems with ignition switches that would have cost the automaker 57 cents each to replace. instead they chose not to and the eventually cost caused accidents, 2.5 million recalls and most tragically 13 deaths. friday transportation secretary anthony fox announced the feds were fining gm $35 million the maximum allowed under law. internal memos. let's let john oliver tell us about it.
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>> wlern thad gm was holding meetings at the time about dealing with their defective cars. you'll never guess what they were talking about. >> these are slides from a power point presentation given in 2008. workers were told not to use the word defect or defective, but, rather, does not perform to design. gm had judgment words that were banned. including dangerous, crippling, life-threatening, hobbling, and 65 others. >> how did that even come up with that list? was it just word association at that point? okay. everyone, say the first word that comes to mind. life-threatening. perfect. the new cheffy sonic. crippling and dangerous. fantastic. keep them going. there are no bad ideas here. just bad cars. >> there have been a lot of bad cars this year-to-date, and it's only may. the company has recalled 11 million vehicles. on pace to brake a dubious
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annual record. this latest crisis for an american institution is profiled in the hard-hitting cnbc documentary failure to recall. it shows who hand in the driver seat as -- >> he started testing cobalt ignition switches he bought from junk yards. when he compared older switches to newer ones he discovered something shocking. >> when he put these replacement switches through this test protocol, he found that they were almost three times stronger as far as the difficulty to turn the key. he said you're not going to believe what i found. i said what? he said they changed the switch. >> cooper and hood realized gm had changed a part. quietly. >> cnbc's phil lebeau is the guy you just saw there in that piece. he is the network's veteran auto industry correspondent, and he joins us now. phil, there's been a variety of
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recalls for a variety of reasons. it would have been inexpensive to fix and deadly, and yet, they did nothing. >> we haven't seen the end of this. we're going to see more revel a littles come out probably over the next month or two. especially as general motors ramps up its own internal investigation. go wherever you need to go and look at whatever you need to look at and talk to whoever you need to talk to, but we want to find out exactly what went wrong in this process, and i think when it's all said and done, that internal investigation, that's really going to be the moment where people will say wow, this is what happened? this is what led to the recall not taking place?
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instead of watching "mad men" it was engrossing, frightening, and fascinating. the moment that really got down to what this really is all about, the brass tax for me, is when you were talking to marianne keller, who as you said wrote the book or a book about gm, and she dealt with the culture of gm. let's roll that moment. >> when you first heard about this ignition switch recall, what was your reaction? >> more of the same. >> marianne keller has been an auto industry analyst for four decades. she wrote the book on general motors. >> it was a company that was always dominated by bean counters, and they have one object i have, and that is make the numbers at all cost, and sometimes at the sacrifice of things like quality. >> was gm so focused on cost that it disregarded safety? >> i don't know that there was a conscious, you know, we're want going care about safety attitude. that would be, you know, beyond
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the criticism that i would level against them. >> the thing that you bring out is that this ignition column was created by an outside producer. they knew that it wasn't up to snuff, and, yet, they said go ahead with the cobalt anyway. >> and i think that's why the families of the victims are so outraged. the fact that the paper trail here clearly shows that this switch should not have been built. certainly it wasn't meeting up to their own specification from general motors, and that's why they're so outrage. the fact that, look, losing a family member is bad enough, but now when you go back and you see that there was evidence showing that this should not have taken place, you can understand how these families feel. >> we often hear a woman ceo is an answer to a lot of the problems that exist today, that their homohuman touch might be able to bridge this gap between the corporate interests and the consumer interests, and here we have the gm ceo, and this is what she said about the situation. she said we have learned a great
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deal from this recall. we will now focus on becoming an industry leader many safety. we will emerge from this situation a stronger company. i have to say, though, it doesn't seem to me like she is the answer. it very much feels like she is part of this old boys club. >> that's because she was there for the last 30 years. she grew up on the engineering side of the business, and she has to explain to people how this could happen in the engineering side of general motors and she was not aware of it, and that's part of what people are trying to understand. it finally came out only after an attorney and the attorneys investigators actually did some tests on some switches. that's what rubs people the wrong way. as far as mary barra, i think at this point she's choosing her words carefully based on what the attorneys are telling her to do. she hasn't given an interview. she has been very cautious about what she has said. even when she was on capitol hill, i think the real test for her is going to come once this
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investigation is completed and then she has to sit down and do interviews where people are going to say, wait a second, what did you know? if she starts to give canned answers at that time, then i think there will be some people who are saying maybe sheets not the right person for the job. at this point i think a lot of people are waiting to see what happens. >> when i found out we were doing this segment, i had a hypothesis, and that was that it seems i have heard a lot more about auto recalls in the last few years, and specifically the last year than i have in my entire life, like any good former history major, i went and did some research, and it turns out my hypothesis was correct. i want to read this from from a few days ago. when you add in the safety-related axes announced by its competitors, as referencing gm, the industry has recalled 20 million vehicles domestically so far this year and is on track to braeblg the all-time recall record of nearly $31 million set a decade ago, according to data from the government safety watchdog, the national highway safety administration.
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>> two things are going on. you have more commonality in parts in the industry, and this is all because of consolidation, and the effort to build one vehicle and then sell it around the world. the only way can you do that profitably is if you condid hes the number of parts that are used, and you use, let's say, one part, but are you going to spread it out over a number of vehicles. well, if that part goes wrong, then you have more vehicles that are recalled. that's the first issue. on top of that ever since the gm ignition switch recall issue first flared up, nitsa was basically thrown front and center and is not doing its job aggressively enough. all automakers are now saying we don't want them coming after us. let's report anything that is even close to a recall. >> interesting stuff. thank you so much. >> thank you so much. >> up next jill abramson speak
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officials earlier today. >> the range of trade secrets and other sensitive business information stolen in this case is significant, and demands an aggressive response. we have brought a charging indictment. >> nbc's justice correspondent pete william is on the story, and, pete, give us a sense of just how serious this is for american companies and for the process moving forward. >> well, for american companies the government was reluctant to put a specific price figure on it, but there were a number of anecdotes here about how the chinese got the inner most secrets of these companies. how they were going to position themselves in the market, their pricing, their competition strategy. the government said that allowed them to undercut. you saw a les of them there. westinghouse, for example, how it builds its nuclear power plants. u.s. steel, how it was going to price its product.
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alcoa, similar. solar world, a solar technology company in oregon got internal data, cost figures, long range plans. all of tremendous value to state-owned businesses in china. what the government here is saying instead of innovating and thinking up ways to get better products, all they were doing is stealing the secrets of u.s. companies. >> it did seem unlikely, although that's what he had to say. it does seem unlikely that these five members of the chinese military who were indicted by name, which is a pretty big deal, will be standing in a u.s. courtroom in pittsburgh to face these charges. the answer is will this change how the chinese government behaves, and i think the only thing you can say is we'll see many of the experts who have been warning about this from the chinese say that they're so
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hooked on this. already the chinese government is saying these charges are untrue. they call the bringing of this indictment a mistake, and that the allegations are fictitious. it's certainly representing a significant ramping up of a complaint that the u.s. has long had against the chinese. >> i think the only real news here today is this graduation from this great university. >> congratulations, i'm impressed that your achievements have attracted so much media attention. as well they should. >> that was cute. >> abram son seems in good spirits about it all, but she
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also knows the story is far, far from over. he denies abram son was fired for gender bias. he said he was a bad manager where he did not use the word pushy. a new yorker reports the firing is blamed on abramson confronting times executives after discovering her pay and pension benefits were less than her predecessors. salzburger rejected that as well. this story isn't just about the most influential newspaper in the world. firing its first female editor. it's a story that encapsulates some of the most important debates. equal pay, diversity, and the treatment of women in the work please. lots to talk about. it's a bit tricky to talk about this because we don't have all the facts. we don't know everything. almost everything in a we learned from certain folks, like ken aleta is debunked or attacked by -- it's hard to get a full grasp on the story. i got a note that solzberger times does have a good diversity
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record in terms of hiring blacks, women, and gays. diversity doesn't necessarily end this there. it doesn't end there at all. you have to have a commitment to embrace different points of view, to understand that other people may come into your organization and not behave in the ways of the dominant culture and not force them or demand them to do that, and when i hear this sort of move, this thing about pushiness, that bothers me. that would prevent other folks from getting it. >> not to mention, you know, if jill abramson is facing potentially sixist attacks when she's a very high profile, very powerful incredibly accomplished person, you can only imagine what a working class mother, for example, is dealing with.
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there's under tones. there's the questioning of her temperament, which is it's which it's very hard to recall a male ceo who has been fired recently for his temperament. men, white men in particular, have the luxury of being judged by whether or not they're competent. for women and for minorities, tlaz whole other factors going in, and if we look broadly, there's a study out that says women ceos over the last ten years have been more likely than men to get pushed out of their job. i think that speaks to a larger societial problem. if you look at this idea of pushy, which we know is obviously a code word, but then it sort of develops into, well, jill abramson wasn't doing enough on the digital side. what was your response to that? there's nothing more boring than
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two print writers talking about n a video for two minutes about an article that someone could read in one minute. >> one on the national media stage wants to inject new blood. what does that get on capitol hill? jeremy peters, ashley parker, great congressional coverage. thanks to jill abramson. we like new blood here on washington d.c. i don't know why that would be a bad thing. get rid of the dead weight. someone is going to pick up jill abramson, and they will get an all-star. >> yeah. we like new blood here on the cycle as well, and i think those are great points. we keep win pointing out that there's a lot more to the story. i keep going back to the question of if the roles were reversed and if this were a male in this position would the same thing have happened. would we hear the same narrative about him being too "pushy?" regardless of what ends up being the real full story here, i
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think this has had a chilling effect on women. not just in the "new york times", but women all over the place. >> we're starting to see how folks inside the time are feeling. they're beginning to write about it. david carr wrote a piece today about how they're feeling in the newsroom and he put it this way. for pundits and reporters an episode is akin to a pinata that hangs itself and hands you a stick. i think that's an unfortunate part of the story. >> indeed. >> terrible.
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amish." one of my favorites. oh, my. friends of the show and politics writer for the washington examiner. betsy woodruff joins us now. she got inside access to the preproduction process, and she's here live. betsy, i would say that washington d.c. is the graveyard of reality shows. the real world came here. it was the worst one they ever did. every other show that's come through here, there's a whole plethora, they've all been awful and gotten killed by the critics. d.c. kr is a town where you ifry a staffer, especially on capitol hill, you want to be anonymous. >> it's fun question you say that because as soon as i wrote the first story about the show coming on i immediately got five text from staefrs i know saying what on earth is that about? i can't believe anybody would sign up for that. that's a terrible idea.
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it's almost as if d.c. isn't as interesting as d.c. people think it is. >> a little hip accurate. >> i heard one in congress, but whose name i can't repeat, specifically told his staff that they could not try out for it. that any of them who got involved would be in trouble. now, the show's producer, or one of them, hunter ryan sshgs a former fox news editor, and i spoke with him a couple of days ago about it, and he said they're really trying to make it high brow, trying to focus on passionate people, issues they're interested in. i feel like one thing that's tricky about this project is either you're going to make something that's not great reality television or you're going to make something that is really, really iffy for the careers of the people who get involved.
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>> you know, we've all been talking here, and felt similarly to luke. how can you make it interesting? betsy, i'm curious, who are they trying to reach out to? who is the audience? is it folks like us who realize how boring d.c. life is or is it people that aren't involved in mrix politics that don't care that think it's a lot more interesting than it actually is? >> you know, i would think that the target audience are the kind of people who watch "house of cards" and this is something the show has iffing for it. d.c. is really having a moment as far as pop cultural interest. people wanting to know what's going on. it has taken staffers and all the boring elements and working in d.c. and shown how even this
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kind of lame weirdness can be entertaining. i think if we get the real veep, it's possible the show could be good. i would give it a watch. >> or like "scandal." >> that question that betsy is raising to you because you know d.c. inside and out, if we could get the real sort of d.c. reality show how great would it actually be? >> it would be incredible. it would be entertaining. if you could actually see the reporter relationships, how the hill staffers literally have to turn to the hill bars to get through their jobs because it's so painful oftentimes, and then you see people as young as 25 that have immense amount of power that, would be great, but that will never lap because the system is set up for that not to happen. >> that one actually makes for
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great tv. >> indeed. >> betsy woodruff, thank you so much for joining us. you got to keep us posted on that. my advice take all the money you're going to spend and put it to a charity or burn it on the tv. that will be more interesting to see that happen. up next, because it's going to be a failure. the dogs of war. national geographic profiles. the best friend and weapon a soldier can have on the battlefield, and we'll meet one of these amazing teams next. the dog will be on the cycle. i can't wait to interview him. ♪
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ter technically equipment to their partners on the battlefield. they are life savers. military service dogs became an official part of the armed forces in world war i. nearly 4,000 dogs were sent into combat during vietnam, and at the height of iraq and afghanistan wars, the u.s. had nearly 2,500 dogs working in the field. >> there's a unique bond between the dogs and their handlers and some of the most dangerous places on earth. marine jose is chronicled in the article. he was injured in afghanistan back in 2011 while on patrol with his german shepherd after nearly a year they were reunited and both join us now from san diego. jose, i would say it's the first time we've had a dog on the
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cycle. it's so great to have you both. >> thank you for having us. at first you saw the dog as a piece of equipment, and you probably would not have shed a tear if he died. you basically had to detach yourself to do the mission. >> it changed after the fact that after i became injured it became evidence that there was a void and only he could fill it. >> this is how you describe your relationship after the fact. you say he is like my quiet partner. he brinlz through worlds. the person i was before afghanistan, the one i was there, and the one i became after. talk to us about the bond and the relationship that you guys now have. >> we've been together pretty much 24-7 since training in afghanistan, and then after we were reunited after my injury and so, i mean, we know everything about each other. he knows when i'm having a bad day. i know when he is having a bad
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day. >> oh. >> so it's just a great partnership. >> now let's look at another dog that is enjoying much deserved retirement. >> he was just 1 years old at the time. she went right up to liam and submitted and laid down on her back, and my 1-year-old son walked over there and got on top of her chest and grabbed her ears and put his thumb in her nose and putting his hand in her mouth, and she wasn't doing anything. she is just laying there and taking every bit of it. that was awesome to see. look you're a vicious dog now. it's heartening for people sending me out on targets and they call these animals equipment. >> you obviously were able to adopt zenid, and the dog we were just showing there was able to be adopted by his owner, but what typically happens to these dogs after they've served? >> after they've served, either they're too old or after they
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become injured, they're adopted out either to their handler, or to anyone who fits the profile to adopt a working dog. >> thank you for your and i got to ask you. as a dog aficionado myself, what are some of the best breeds for this type of training and what are the dog types you see out the there? >> the most common are german shepherds and labrador retrievers. >> he to do up when he heard his dog breed. he's in san diego. he wants to surf a bit. >> he wants to play. >> yeah, jose, or salutely thank you so much for your service. and take us back to when you two were in war together. tell us a story about, you know, how things change, how things were a little bit different because you had your best friend there. >> yeah, well, during the time
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we were in afghanistan, i tried to detach myself from him because i knew there was a mission and he was a tool to accomplish that mission. but definitely he brought joy to all the marines around. i kind of had to remind him he was there to accomplish the mission and not for everyone to just pet him. but he brought a lot of joy to a lot of people there. >> how are the different service dogs that you have serving overseas, how are they trained and how are they chosen for the particular tasks they perform? >> it's based off of drive. if they have a lot of drive for a toy and they're willing to work for that toy. as long as they have a drive and they can accomplish all the tasks given to them for the reward which is a toy, then they're selected. >> and jose, just last thing real quick, you talk about this bond between you and the dog. ofl the army's referencing them as a piece of equipment. but talk about the bond that soldiers have with that dog. i've read stories they don't want to leave the dog behind.
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like it's a member of the unit. >> that's correct. a lot are different. some have become extremely attached to their dog. i tried to detach because i knew we were doing a dangerous job. it was likely one of us would be injured. and fortunately now we are allowed to adopt our dogs. d no dogs left behind or anything. but if i were to be injured like i was, he would be attached to another dog hound. >> do you see the dog z displaying an extraordinary amount of courage out there? >> definitely. the training is difficult. and we train them to become accustomed to all atmospheres. so they handle combat really well. >> it's such a beautiful story. and a beautiful dog. thank you so much. we appreciate it. >> thank you. up next, the thing that men say that toure wants banned from
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the scene starts like so many. interior a cafe, two women are talking building about sexism and their experiences and potential responses. when all of a sudden the man signal goes up and he ducks into a phone booth. who? that not so super superhero who calls himself not all man.
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he's famous for all the wrong reasons. he's a defender of the defended, the voice of the voiceful. why is he here? and suddenly that nourishing conversation, that needed moment of building is crashed, interrupted as not all man smashes through to play devil's advocate. awesome. matt's famous strip captures the essence of what have called the hottest people on the internet, the phrase not all men, which feminists have appropriated to talk about men that barge into conversations to say not all men provide that behavior. it's a skewerering of missing folks who knee jerk reaction as part of a privileged group to defend themselves against implications -- the problems with the not all men tactic are so many. what it does is derail a conversation and turn it from something complex into something rudimentary. now people are explaining
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basics. and having to explain basic concepts to people who have made no effort to understand them on their own is a huge obstacle. also does pointing out there may be some combat? yes, not all men make more money than women, but most do. the joer wheming of those who physically violent to spouses are men. plus the not all men comment is in and of itself a classically sexless gesture. it's an interruption. a uc santa cruz study says men intend to interrupt to use it as a sign of dominance saying not all men is a derailment tactic. and there are so many that some have created what's called derailment bingo. things feminists or any margin liezed group tend to hear from the trolls of the dominant group. the basic ways people try to
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push sexism or racism or homophobia off track. you're overly sensitive. can you prove your experiences widespread? i know another person in your group who disagrees. but that happens to me. i haven't had it easy either. i don't find that offensive. all of these challenge the core truth of the existence of sexism of racism and say despite your lived experience, you don't know what you're talking about. not all man is a subset of mansplaining. men when explain things to women knowing they are more knowledgeable than women. your interruption, your superior grasp of the nuances, your freedom to play devil's advocate with others' lived experience is yet another expression of your dominance and it's painful to those on the other end of your ignorance. it's anti-ally behavior. allies don't derail.
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allies accept and embrace the discomfort of not being at the center of the world for a moment. allies don't remind women that not all men benefit from pate yor ki because they do. pa that does it for the "the cycle." "now" with alex wagner starts now. republican fever over hillary's health is proving contagious. it's monday, may 19th and this is "now." >> republicans are doubling down. ♪ >> the hillary clinton health controversy -- >> she is going to have to cough up these medical records. this was serious. >> reince priebus. >> i think health and age is fair game. >> she isn't as young as she once was. >> i'm not a doctor -- >> but i play one on tv. >> started talking about brain damage. >> he planted a seed. >> he's going to question her health, do it fair and