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we know we have the ability to be able to deal with people who want to threaten the united states. >> they're committed to returning to fight. >> the battle over bowe bergdahl. today, spilled over between members of congress and the obama administration. we're learning new details about bowe bergdahl's time as a captive. also, crisis on the border. hundreds of children coming into america today without their parents. the latest on how the u.s. is planning to deal with this sudden influx. also, signs of climate change. a new series of reports about one city in the u.s. that could be a microcosm of a bigger and growing problem. also, sign of the times. there are more of them and they are getting older. kids living with their parents. what in the world is going on.
hey there, everybody. it's noon in the east, 11:00 a.m. in memphis, 9:00 out west. we're glad you're right here. i am t.j. holmes in today for alex. we have two new reports to tell you about what life was like for sergeant bowe bergdahl during five years in captivity by the taliban. bergdahl is currently at a military hospital in germany. the associated press now said he told officials there was torture involved. he was tortured and beaten by his captors. "the new york times" said bergdahl told medical officials his captors locked him in a metal cage for trying to escape. the "times" reports the 28-year-old is physically able to travel, but he is not emotionally prepared to return to his family in idaho. meanwhile, strong new reaction today from key lawmakers and government officials to the controversy surrounding the release of five taliban
detainees in exchange for bergdahl. >> i believe there are other prisoners with could have released in exchange, that we have already released. these five are the top five picked by the taliban, not by us, but by the taliban. so all i can say is, you can have a certain price, but it's ax eser baited by the president's decision to take everybody out of afghanistan, and these people will be going back as the taliban leadership. >> we know we have the ability to be able to deal with people who want to threaten americans or threaten the united states, and if that's what they go back on their word to do, or if the qataris don't enforce what they've done, we have any number of avenues available to us to be able to deal with that. >> we're expecting to learn more later this week when secretary of defense chuck hagel testifies on capitol hill. he will appear before the house armed services committee about the transfer of those five detainees.
let me bring in from l.a., a member of the house intelligence committee. sir, thank you, as always, for being here. >> thank you. >> and in your estimation, did the president, first of all, did he break the law by not informing congress the way it seems the law lays out he should have? and do you think he should have done more to inform congress? >> i think the president has the authority in article 2 as commander in chief to do a prisoner swap. so i think he was plainly within his constitutional power. at the same time, t.j., i think it would have been politically wise of him as a co-equal branch in congress to advise the chairs, the so-called gang of 8 in the leadership, i think that would have made sense and would have mitigated some of the fallout in terms of the two branches of government. constitutionally he was well within his authority. >> let's listen to senator dianne feinstein, and i'll get your reaction to her on the other side. >> there are concerns over --
and i heard john kerry this morning say, you know, don't worry about them in doha. you can't help but worry about them in doha. and we have no information on how the united states is actually going to see that they remain in doha, that they make no comments, that they do no agitation. >> do you share that concern, congressman, that these five will be a threat, again, somewhere out there casing chaos and possibly a direct threat to americans still in some way, form or fashion? >> yes, i do share that concern. the reality is that a certain personal of those released from guantanamo have rejoined the fight, and there's no reason to think that's going to be different here. certainly qatar will make an effort at least for the first year is what we're learning. but i think we have to expect it's certainly very possible that they do return to the
fight. and that's why this decision i think was a very close one on the merits. this was probably one of the last chances we had to get bowe bergdahl back. we had to pay a steep price for the release of these top taliban commanders. i will say this also, though, much has been made of the fact that this will encourage the taliban to kidnap other americans. i don't really give that much weight. the reality is, they're trying to kill us. so the fact that they may decide to try to capture rather than kill, that doesn't to me tip much in the balance. but it is, i think a legitimate factor to be concerned about that these people will return to the fight. i look forward to the briefing tomorrow to learn how dangerous these people are, and just what bergda bergdahl's situation was when he left, what his health situation was. so that we can evaluate the merits of the deal the president made. >> does that factor into the merits, in your opinion, whether or not how he ended up being captured, if he walked away,
people throwing around the word deserter, should that factor into it at all? he's an american, being held, we get him no whatever deal is necessary? >> i think if we knew for certain he was a deserter, that does weigh in the decision. i think it can't help but weigh in the decision. but if there's some uncertainty about it, and it sounds like there was, we don't know if he had a mental breakdown or trying to do a private negotiation with the taliban e then i think we make our effort to get him back and look at the facts and try him if necessary for desertion. but if we knew for sure what the circumstances were, he walked away willingly, then i think that does weigh in the balance when you consider the added danger these people will pose if they leave qatar and go back to the fight. >> you say these folks here, these detainees, of course, we know there are at least 149 more still being held in guantanamo. let's listen to senator mccain talking in the interview about what we do about guantanamo. >> even if we close guantanamo,
we'll send them to facilities in the united states of america. that's been the plan all along. if you were thinking we would just release everybody, i'm afraid that you've been misinformed. so we were not going to release everybody. >> i think certainly khalid shaikh mohammed was an exception. you don't want to release, like many of them, returning to the fight. but what does happen to them, i guess aside from the khalid shaikh mohammeds? what should we do? the war is winding down, the war is over. you do some kind of a p.o.w. and prisoner swaps in exchange, and this is just what happens historically. some argue this is taliban, it's not necessarily like traditional warfare. so what do we do with the war winding down with the guys at guantanamo? >> i think we prosecute those
that are responsible for war crimes. we repatriate some of those back to their countries of origin where they can be incarcerated there, where they can keep track of them. but what to do with the approximately three or four dozen which the evidence against them is either tainted or would reveal classified sources of information, and they can't be prosecuted, at the same time they can't be sent back without being a real risk. and that's the problem we've wrestled with, how long can we continue to detain these people. i'm much less concerned, frankly, where they're detained in the sense they can be detained safely in the united states. i really don't think that's an issue. but i am concerned we can't hold them indefinitely, at the same time these are some pretty dangerous people. >> what would you say to the american people right now? just hold judgment? like you said, this might not have been so political had it
been handled differently by the president. but still, there's so much back-and-forth about bergdahl and what we should have given up, if this was someone who walked away from his post. what would you tell the american people? would you encourage them to wait for the facts and just be patient before you come to judgment about this still young soldier? >> i would encourage that. but i would encourage this, that the american people realize this is a tough decision, this is a close decision. you have to respect the commander in chief is going to have to make these tough calls. i think it would have served the administration well, frankly, if they had rolled this out in a different way and said to the american people, this was a tough call and here's why. the people we had to release are dangerous people, but we wanted to get our guy back and this is a tough decision we made. i think had they taken that approach, it would have mitigated a little of the fallout. i would encourage the american
people, there are going to be tough decisions like this that are not going to be black or white. at some level you have to say he's our commander in chief and we'll respect the decision he's made. >> congressman, we appreciate you joining us here on a sunday. we'll see you again soon. >> thanks, t.j. ten minutes past the top of the hour now. new information in the crash that landed tracy morgan in the hospital. the driver of the truck that slammed into his limo has turned himself in to police. one person died in the crash early saturday. the limo driver got choked up when describing the accident and talked about morgan and the other passengers. >> shattering glass, things like that. it all happened so fast. most amazing humble and five men i met in a long time doing this as a profession. >> nbc's ron allen is in new brunswick, new jersey, with the latest. ron, hello to you.
i guess a lot of people certainly wondering, how is tracy morgan doing? >> word from the hospital is nothing has changed. the situation is the same. he's in intensive care in critical condition. we've not really gotten any details about what his injuries are or what kind of treatment he's undergoing. his ex-wife is quoted as saying as, quote, he's in pretty bad shape. what that is, we really don't know. this was a horrific accident, as you heard the driver describe it. it's 1:00 in the morning. morgan and his companions, other comedians and assistant are on their way from delaware up to new york after a light-night performance. it's 1:00 a.m., it's dark. they're sitting in slow-moving traffic and from nowhere a tractor-trailer truck rams them from behind. their mercedes limousine flips over on its side. we don't think it bursts into flames, but it hits a couple other vehicles and comes to
rest. morgan and another man are air lifted to the hospital from here. it's that serious of a situation. life threatening obviously. under investigation now. the police were very quick to say that they believe the truck driver, a walmart truck driver is responsible. he's been charged with death by auto and four counts of assault as well. there are five passengers in the vehicle, two drivers up front who were okay, interestingly. but word from the hospital here, critical condition. in intensive care. we hope to know later today. >> ron allen thank you from the latest. we turn to other news making headlines. a crieses at the u.s. border in the southwest. a number of unaccompanied children is growing in nogales. 300 arrived saturday. 400 expected to arrive today bringing the total this weekend to over 1,000. the facility in nogales is the temporary stop where children are vaccinated and given
checkups. the number of children arriving at the border alone is staggering. nearly 50,000 since october. the kids are transferred to military bases. lawmakers say this is a crisis. >> this is a crisis. the whole immigration issue must be addressed. we see the very dark side of what happens when we don't have a policy. >> in about an hour we'll have a live report on this desperate situation in arizona. at the vatican, pope francis is making good today on last month's invitation for palestinian and israeli presidents to meet there. the vatican is lower expectations that the meeting can lead to immediate break throughs. a live report from rome coming your way at 1:30. direct talks with iran getting under way tomorrow. diplomats from both countries will meet in geneva to attempt
to break a deadlock. the most recent round of negotiations in vienna last month between iran and six countries saw each side accusing the others of unrealistic demands. violent storms hit the midwest this weekend. possible tornado touched down in northern illinois saturday. to injuries reported there. op the east coast, sunny skies. is that going to last? let's check in with the weather channel's alex. >> tracking the threat for more storms in the middle of the country. we've got this trough in place. more showers as well as storms. it was like the pattern repeating itself. some of those storms could pack a bit of a punch. the areas in red, that's where we have the risk for severe storms, damaging winds, hail risk. we can't rule out a few isolated tornadoes, dallas, and spreading into parts of the deep south.
south of the birmingham area, working up to the carolinas, returning to the rain potential and stormy potential into parts of the appalachian chain. the mid-atlantic, we could see some of these stronger storms try to work into parts of the d.c. area later today. triple digits all across the deep south. we'll see that tomorrow as well. baking in bakersfield, as well as vegas and phoenix. a toasty tuesday. a possible explanation about why california chrome pulled up short in the belmont and lost his bid for the triple crown. the 3-year-old came in fourth after tonalist who didn't run in the kentucky derby or preakness, won the race. here's the call. >> it's going to be close. it's going to be very close. tonalist has won the belmont stakes! >> well, a gash on one of california chrome's front hooves is raising questions.
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the focus, this is one soldier worth it, not worth it. i think that completely misses the problem here. this is a huge regional and geopolitical problem for the united states moving forward. hostages are now currency in this war on terror. >> that's republican congressman mike rogers reacting today to the circumstances surrounding sergeant bowe bergdahl's release in exchange for five taliban detainees from gitmo. let me bring in ed rendell and republican tom davis. thank you both for being here. governor rendell, you heard the congressman there, they're now currency, that hostages are now currency. would you go that far to think this now creates a new problem for american service members? >> the hostages have always been currency for the u.s. and many other countries. i remember when israel swapped
almost several hundred of its prisoners to get one israeli back from an arab terrorist group. it's always been the case that hostages are currency. look, every military commander who has spoken out on this, current commanders, retired commanders have said, the united states military has always had a policy that in a time of war, we leave none of our men behind. so i think they did the right thing. i wish they would have bargained for stricter conditions, but they did the right thing bringing bergdahl back. i think what they did that was wrong was having the white house ceremony trying to make bergdahl seem like a hero. the information on that isn't clear yet. it should have been done quietly. congressional leaders, not the committees as a whole, congressional leaders should have been informed that something was in the midst of happening. and there certainly shouldn't have been any white house rose garden celebration. but they did the right thing.
and we'll always do that thing because that's what the military commanders say we have to do. >> was this a -- this was some bad pr. it sounds like that's a lot of the criticism. but the president and the administration could have saved some of that political blowback by handling it a little differently in the public eye. >> i agree with that. i think they created their own problem. this reminds me of the mission accomplished poster, that president bush had, you know, after the iraqi war. but there's a larger issue here. there's always been a currency for prisoners of war. but this was inflation. for the average american, this appears a little bit unbalanced. we don't know really enough right now to talk intelligently. because we don't know what other negotiations are going on at this point. so the administration caused themselves a lot of problems by the rollout. >> congressman davis, to your point there, it seems a little
off-balance, five-for-one. many people are questioning the one. but still, this is an american soldier. but in that regard, is this something that -- in some way we should be proud of as americans? in that our country, if you're an american soldier and you're serving, we will do whatever we have to do to come get you, and get you home, no matter what the circumstances were of you walking off the base, or whatever it may have been, should we take some solace, some pride in that? >> we don't know if he was a deserter or just a confused soldier at this point. at some point you're going to bring him home. remember, the war isn't over yet, but we don't know what other negotiations are going on right now with the taliban and what part this could be. i think that will come out in the days ahead. >> governor rendell, let's listen to john kerry talking to the detainees and i'll get your reaction on the other side. >> we know we have the ability to be able to deal with people who want to threaten americans or threaten the united states.
if that's what they go back on their way to do or the qataris don't enforce what they've done, we have any number of avenues to be able to deal with that. >> actually, one other former guantanamo bay prosecutor, colonel morris davis, on "weekends with alex witt" yesterday, listen to this. >> when i saw the names of the five individuals, when they were reported last weekend, my first reaction was, who are they. i never saw the names before. which meant there was not enough information to even make it onto our list of potential prosecutions. when you hear people talk about these guys being the hardest of the hard core and how dangerous they are, we prosecuted osama bin laden's driver, and we couldn't even bring charges against these guys. >> does he have a point, and does secretary kerry, the point being, hey, we can take them out if we need to later, we're not worried about them necessarily, but then the other sound byte
there essentially saying, clearly, they weren't that big -- it's hard to put this in relative terms, they're all a big deal and a threat at some point, but essentially saying we couldn't prosecute them, so maybe they're not as big of a threat as people may have thought. >> well, i go back to what tom said when he opened up, and that is, we really don't know enough about this, on either side, to say definitively what happened here. look, the one thing i do know, is we as a country have got to stop turning these things into political footballs. we've got to take a deep breath, wait until the facts come out. if bergdahl was a deserter, then let's bring him back and try thim in a military court of law. but we've got to stop making every decision that's made ooh political football. and we've got to say, look, let's wait until the facts are in. the prosecutor knows the evidence that existed against people at guantanamo. my question is he knows it
better than the senate or the house. so let's wait and let's -- gosh, if we don't stop trying to politicize everything, we're cooked as a country. we are cooked. >> congressman, what do you think? secretary hagel will be testifying this week. what do we expect to see now? how bad is this going to get now? because that is going to be a heck of a spectacle in some ways, and we see him having to answer questions about this publicly. >> remember, the president signed a national defense authorization act last year which said that he would notify congress when there were going to be gitmo detainees released. he did not do that in this case. that has caused ire on both sides of the aisle. it's the political season between now and november. if we're going to back off, i don't think we're going to see anything before november. >> you think the president had -- sometimes he had to -- again, we don't know all the facts so it's tough to ask. take him at his word that we had
to move on this thing. >> look, i think congress will get to that at the end. i agree with what governor rendell said at the beginning, and that is, the rollout of this thing is obviously going to reciprocate some kind of response. had he notified congress, did this through an announcement, i don't think we'd see the reaction we've seen. >> gentlemen, thank you both for being here. enjoy the rest of your sunday. >> thank you. >> i'm sure we'll see you soon. >> thank you. coming up at the bottom of the hour now. is it not as bad as we first thought? edward snowden's leaks. "washington post" david ignatius has just written about this, and he joins me in minutes.
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million fine, and lifetime ban against him. former microsoft executive steve ballmer has offered $2 billion for the deal. ukraine's new president met with several world leaders including vice president joe biden. the meetings took place after the 48-year-old billionaire took the oath of official on saturday. still facing a crisis with russia. and the search is on in canada, after three inmates escaped from a detention center in quebec city, with the help of a helicopter. the police say the chopper landed in a courtyard, and then took off quickly. authorities say the inmates are considered dangerous. airports and military bases are on high alert in the area. it's the second chopper-aided escape in quebec in months. california chrome lost some of its shine at the belmont stakes when tonalist crossed the finish line to win that race. now, the loss of the triple crown triggered some harsh words
from the colt's co-owner. kristen dahlgren joins me now. you were there. this is a classic case of sore losing. this is ridiculous. >> he was not happy, right? steve coburn going off after the race. he said california chrome fell short because the system is broken. >> it's going to be close! it's going to be very close! >> it wasn't the ending so many had hoped for. >> i thought that was history. we thought we would see california chrome do it. >> reporter: california chrome's coowner is angry, that tonalist who didn't run in the kentucky derby and preakness came out on top in the belmont. >> i'm 61 years old. i'll never see another triple crown winner because of the way they do this. this is not fair to these horses that have been in the game since day one. this is a coward's way out. >> reporter: belmont is
traditionally where triple crown dreams are put to the test. 13 horses have now gotten this far and failed since affirm won in 1978. >> around the far turn. >> reporter: the 1 1/2-mile race is longer than the derby or preakness. and it comes at the end of an exhausting five-week stretch. >> his energy was not the same as before. that's why i decided to wait a little bit longer, and behind all the horses. >> reporter: california chrome had all the makings of a cinderella story. the colt with blue collar beginnings was bred for just $10,000. top horses cost hundreds of thousands. even his name was luck of the draw, literally, picked out of a hat. his colorful owners capturing hearts. and a legion of chromies on twitter. >> hey! >> reporter: a record 120,000 packed into belmont. racing history may remain
elusive, there's no doubt california chrome earned a spot in the hearts of millions. >> we still love him. >> we had seen coburn on the show this morning, thinking maybe he would want to clarify his comments. no, he stood by them. it wasn't what he said in the heat of the moment apparently. he said he will never again run a horse at the triple crown. >> we're going to miss his commentary at the races, aren't we, kristen. good to see you. thanks so much. the american city that's become poster child of climate change. why this one city is so vulnerable. jamie, you've got a little something on the back of your shoe, there. [alarm beeping] price tag. danger: price tag alert. oh, hey, guys. price tag alert. is this normal? well, progressive's a price tag free zone. we let you tell us what you want to pay, and we help you find options to fit your budget. where are they taking him? i don't know. this seems excessive! decontamination's in progress. i don't want to tell you guys your job, but...
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longtime intelligence reporter david ignatius wrote that column, he's also the author of the new novel "the director" which explores this murky world of espionage. always good to see you. so tell us, what evidence or what new information do we have now to think that maybe snowden didn't get as much,
or he can't really use the information that maybe he did take? >> t.j., last week i went to interview the director of national intelligence, james clapper. he doesn't give interviews very often. in that conversation, he said that the damage done by snowden's revelations is less than the intelligence community initially had thought. that in his words some of the things we thought he took, he didn't. some of the things he tried to take, he wasn't able to. he said also, i should note, na in his view, the damage caused even though less than expected was still in his words profound.
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official familiar with this matter broke down what they think snowden has taken, 300 documents that have been published in newspapers around the world so far, another 200,000 that are believed to have been given by snowden to journalists. and then an additional 1.5 million that they believe that he accessed. that may sound like an awful lot. but it's fewer than they thought. they thought it was more than that. >> the reaction necessarily, we shouldn't necessarily go, whew, thank goodness kind of a thing. we still just don't know. but is there a huge sigh of relief of some kind that you detected? >> no. >> okay. >> i think the sigh of relief is the wrong way to put it. >> okay. >> i think the intelligence community is working hard to assess the damage. but some damage they know about,
just by observing our adversaries, by looking at al qaeda and other terrorist groups that according to officials changed the way they operate in this year since snowden's revelations, showed them some of the things the united states was capable of doing. there are other things they don't want to talk about. for example, i pushed officials, do you see any change in russian or chinese behavior that would suggest that they have become aware of certain secret things we're doing? they just wouldn't answer that question. so i can't tell your
viewers what that one is. >> you're writing about this stuff now. the new book "the director," about a hacking crieses in the cia high-tech hunt for the culprit. it seems like science fiction, it seems like something we've seen in some tom cruise movie. but this stuff is happening. >> it is happening. t.j., what i tried to do is to write -- i want to say a post-snowden novel. snowden is not really a
character in the book, but it's about the world that snowden has revealed. and some of the tools that he showed u.s. intelligence has, the nsa has, being turned back against the united states in a way that the characters in my novel have to struggle with. but there's no question, this is the world, this collision of hacking, and espionage, that's the world we're living in now. >> your expertise, you've been writing about it a long time, foreign affairs. so we want to take the opportunity to get your take on what had been the big story over the past week. and that, of course, is bowe bergdahl. we want to listen to secretary of state john kerry talking about the controversy over the deal, and then i want to get your reaction. >> it would have been offensive and incomprehensible to leave an american behind, no matter what, to leave an american behind in the hands of people who had tortured him, cut off his head, do any number of things, and we would consciously choose to do that? that's the other side of this equation. i don't think anybody would think that is the appropriate
thing to do. >> so hearing that leave behind, i don't think anybody wants to leave -- no matter what the circumstances, i think we could agree you don't want to leave an american soldier behind, no matter what. but are you noticing, and do you think the people are getting hung up on the controversy about how much was given to get him back? >> i think it's two-fold. the people who were released were genuinely dangerous fighters in afghanistan. they were linked with al qaeda specifically, two of them at least. people cautioned to me that they never are known to have attacked americans, so we shouldn't see them in that context. most of these are young fighters that we're releasing back to the battlefield, they're pretty old dudes now. i think the other part of it is what we learned about bowe bergdahl and the way in which people began to feel that he was
somebody who walked away from his unit, and, you know, was awol, if not a deserter, that they just wondered, is he worth the sacrifices that were made. i think secretary kerry put it right. if you play this, you know, kind of reverse engineer, imagine it's a year from now, it's june 2015, and we're watching video of this bowe bergdahl dying, or being beheaded, they do that to people, and people said, do you mean to tell me that president obama could have arranged a swap that would have freed this young man before this terrible nightmare happened to him? you know, imagine how people would feel in that case. so i do think, you know, it's important to bring him back. and then he probably should face some kind of military trial, given the facts that have been asserted by people who served with him, about him walking away from his unit. >> david ignatius, always good to get your perspective, and always good to read your stuff. >> thank you. about a quarter to the top of the hour now. college graduates living back at
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to 32 years old, about 29% of them that have jobs are living with mom and dad. for my len yals not employed or living in the labor force, a strong indicator is being able to get a job, get a paycheck, and that enables one to not have to live with mom and dad. >> are these, and some getting the jobs, are they not, frankly, paying them enough? some of them is they're not finding jobs. are we finding a lot of them finding jobs are not able to make all the ends meet? >> yeah, earnings have not substantially picked up yet for young adults since the bottom of the recession. and so, yeah, i point to job holding, you're right. your earnings aren't there. what's interesting at least in terms of living with mom and dad, it's much more a phenomenon of the less educated not so much young adults with bachelors degrees. that's in a way not surprising,
because generally on average, bachelors degrees get paid quite a bit more than those with just a high school education. it's increased for all groups, both sexes, but again, the phenomenon of living with mom and dad, it's more an issue among the less educated, not so much among the college grads. >> that's an important distinction to make there, because oftentimes what gets attention and what makes news, it's almost as if a college education gets a bad rap these days because it is so expensive, first of all, and then there's a very tough job market. so it leaves many to question the value these days of a college education. do you still question, or do you at all call into question the value of a college education these days? >> i agree with you, that there is a very vigorous debate occurring presently about the value of college. partly due to student debt, partly due to the job market.
but i think also very clearly, you have to think about what's the alternative of not going to college in the job market and economic opportunities for young adults to end their education at high school, higher unemployment rates, difficulty finding jobs. their earnings are lower than they were 30, 40 years ago. and so we can have concerns about the value of college and whether it's changed, but you've got to include what's going on with just the high school educated in that discussion. and so the question is, can you afford not to go to college. >> that's very important to point out. richard frye, i'm going to post this and read your latest research. thank you so much for being here on a sunday. you enjoy the rest of your day. >> thank you. well, coming up here next, hundreds of unaccompanied children who have legally crossed the border, now being held in arizona. a live report on the immigration influx and where they will go
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sinking, the land is actually sinking -- >> good lord. >> -- in part because there was a meteor that hit the mouth of the chesapeake 100 million years ago. >> let's go short term first. is there a short-term fix to help them cope with a lot of flooding right now? >> yeah, they've noticed over the last decade, things have sort of gotten progressively a little bit worse. the tides come a little bit higher every day. the normal rainstorms will flood the intersections around downtown. so they proactively developed a plan to try to figure out how to deal with approximately one more foot of sea level rise. the plan costs $1 billion. they're just starting to implement that, when they get a state-funded study saying, wait, you might have to plan for five feet of sea level rise over the next 500 years. >> who's paying? where's the money coming from? >> that's the problem. the obama administration is --
they released a report in may basically saying climate change is here. we have to deal with it. we see evidence of it. but we're only as a society just beginning to ask the question, well, what does that mean, and what do we need to do to prepare for it, and who's going to pay for it. i mean, so far, norfolk's been kind of on its own, but it's seeking help from the state and federal government. >> all right. what's worst case scenario here? we talk about the money and the plan we hope will work. okay. but are we sure we can save norfolk, if you will? if we don't get this under control, what's the prognosis for norfolk long term? >> it's hard to say, right? even the projections are very -- the array of options in front of us are pretty big. the norfolk projections, for example, range from another foot and a half of water over the next 100 years, to eight feet of water over the next 100 years. if they get eight feet of water, they have to abandon big parts of town.
but even the scientists really don't know sort of how fast this is happening to us. >> last thing here, how -- people hear climate change, this is a slow thing that happens over time, it doesn't in their day-to-day lives affect us, at least we don't pay attention to it. what does this story do in getting us all to pay a little more attention and to see how it directly impacts our neighbor, our brother, a fellow city, a state that we love? we don't like what they're going through, but just how impactful can this be? >> i think the issue that people have to face is, we're going to have to start spending money on this. and, you know, the federal budget in particular, i mean, the federal government owns a lot of facilities that are
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humanitarian crisis by the white house. we are standing here at the u.s. border patrol station in noga s nogales. they arrived in texas, and being brought for initial processing, because they've just run out of room in texas, so they're coming here. we saw a bus coming in today. there were people on it. we coast tell if they were kids or adults. but we are told children are expected to come in here today, adding to those already here. a little bit earlier we saw the honduran console. his information is fresh. he said there are 764 kids here now. 236 are honduran, average age 12 to 13. there are some older, but some as young as 8. there is a 16-year-old girl here who has a 1 1/2-year-old child, another girl is pregnant. that's sort of the range. he said these kids had a very, very rough trip coming up through mexico. some took two weeks, some took two months in the hands of
smugglers. you can imagine the problems they had. then they've been in detention, some now in their second week of detention, first in texas and now here. none of them has seen the sun. they're a little disoriented. and i want to be clear, the officials here felt they were doing a good job in taking care of the situation. the border patrol agents, fema officials trying to help these kids. they're bringing in cots, portable bathrooms, portable showers, and put a tarp up so the kids can go outside and see the sun in an enclosed area. they're bringing in clocks to reorient themselves to the time of day. food culturally sensitive to where they come from. most importantly they're treating them with respect, a point that he thinks is most important. once they're done here, after processing they'll go to other places. ultimately they go to get them to immigration hearings, and in the meantime, in the hands of families or someplace else.
it's a huge crisis. they're running out of room. >> mike potter, with the update on the humanitarian crieses there. thank you so much. senator barbara boxer was asked about the situation on the border that she said she's concerned about as well. >> this is a crisis. the whole immigration issue must be addressed. we see the very dark side of what happens when we don't have a policy. >> again, the perspective here, nearly 50,000 children have crossed the border alone since october. we'll continue to follow this story for you. we want to turn now to washington, and new details emerging about the treatment sergeant bowe bergdahl was subjected to during his five-year captivity by the taliban. the associated press said bergdahl told military doctors in germany he was tortured and beaten. bergdahl has told officials his captors locked him in metal cages in complete darkness for
weeks at a time for trying to escape. he's not yet spoken to his parents. we're expecting to learn new details this week about the release of the five taliban detainees from guantanamo bay in exchange for bergdahl. secretary of defense chuck hagel will testify wednesday before the house armed services committee. key lawmakers are weighing in ahead of his testimony, including the chair of the house intelligence committee. >> this was the wrong message at the wrong time, and we are going to pay for this decision for years. this shouldn't be about did congress get invited to the party, this is all with this honest discussion about what the ramifications of this are. >> the republicans continue to criticize the president over the deal. let me bring in kristen welker from the white house. secretary of state john kerry defending this as well. >> reporter: john kerry speaking out as this administration continues to do damage control. the secretary saying there is a possibility that those five
released taliban detainees could reenter the afghan war. but he said if that happens the u.s. will be prepared to deal with them. take a listen to what he had to say. >> the president has always said, he will do whatever is necessary in order to protect the united states of america. so these guys pick a fight with us in the future, or now, or at any time, at enormous risk, and we have proven what we're capable of doing with al qaeda, the core al qaeda in west pakistan, afghanistan. >> reporter: now, when asked if prisoner swap actually put american soldiers at greater risk for being kidnapped or harmed, secretary kerry called that baloney. but as you pointed out, t.j., very different account from the republican chair of the house intelligence committee, mike rodgers, who said he believes at least three of those five taliban members will reenter the
afghan war. he said he's basing that on rhetoric and other intelligence. and he's calling this a geopolitical mistake. so as the debate continues to rage here in washington, d.c., sergeant bergdahl continues with his recovery efforts in germany. he is, according to "the new york times," telling medics he was beaten and tortured after trying to escape. our sources confirm he was held in a small box-like container after he tried to escape. and that was part of the torture that he endured. we're also told he is not ready to speak with his parents yet. that is going to be on his own timeline. a lot of people wondering, when is he going to reach out to his parents, when is he going to come back to the united states. the doctors say that all depends on him, when they feel he is ready to do all of that and take that next step. >> kristen welker at the white house for us, thank you as always. authorities are investigating threats against the family of bowe bergdahl. fbi says it's taking each threat
seriously and working with states and local agencies in idaho where they live. they've not revealed the nature of those threats squlfrlg. tracy morgan is still in critical condition. kevin roper, the truck driver, allegedly responsible for the six-vehicle accident, has turned himself in. he's being held on $50,000 bail. one person died in that crash. nbc's ron allen joins us now from new brunswick, new jersey, with the latest on this story. ron, hello to you. >> reporter: good afternoon, t.j. as far as we know, the condition of tracy morgan still critical, still in intensive care. the hospital spokesperson said a few minutes ago that the situation remains the same. that's what we've been told since he arrived here early saturday morning. so at this point, that's where we are. we're not getting any word about what treatment he's undergoing and extent of injuries. his ex-wife quoted as saying, his condition does not look good.
she's also quoted as saying, he's stable, which could mean, again, could mean that he's not getting any better or worse. but at this point, the definitive information from the hospital is that critical condition, and obviously very serious, serious medical condition. this was a horrific accident. a six-vehicle accident at 1:00 in the morning on the new jersey turnpike. the driver of the limousine that was carrying morgan and four others, performers and friends from him, back from delaware, their car was hit from behind by a tractor-trailer in slow-moving traffic. the limo was spun around, flipped on its side and there was a frantic effort to rescue the occupants. they were medevacked here to the hospital in critical condition. there was so much debris on the highway that it was closed down for the better part of five hours. it gives you some idea of the severity of what happened. and of course, one of the occupants of the vehicle, identified as james mcnair, a comedian, was killed in the accident.
so again, we keep asking, we're trying to learn more. hopefully there will be an update on morgan's condition later on today. >> ron allen for us, thank you so much. 11 minutes past the hour now. coming up, a new poll on what americans think of the deal to free bowe bergdahl, and the thoughts of a journalist once held captive by the taliban. that's next. oh my god! look. you need to see this. show 'em the curve. ♪ do you know what this means? the greater the curvature, the bigger the difference.
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out this agreement. >> that's senate intelligence committee chair democrat dianne feinstein talking about the five taliban members traded for bowe bergdahl. a new poll shows americans are deeply divided over whether the obama administration did the right thing in making the exchange. the new poll by reuters shows 44% oh are opposed, 29% said they agree, 27% not sure. 65% of americans are unsure, 22% say he is a deserter, 13% of those called sergeant bergdahl a patriot. let me bring an expert on guantanamo bay, carol rosenberg, and reuters investigator david rhodes. b david, let me start with you. your time was seven months, his was five years. i'm sure your seven months felt like five years probably, but he
has not talked to his family yet. we understand his sister wrote him a letter which he hasn't read or responded to. give us some kind of idea what this guy is going through right now. >> again, i was held one-tenth of the time he was held. i don't find it unusual that he needs time to reacclimate. i was kidnapped with an afghan journalist who spoke english. he's been completely alone, only around these young taliban guards that only spoke the local language poshta. >> carol, we need to listen to senator mccain, first of all. so much of this back-and-forth has been about, was this the right deal to make, to give up this much for bowe bergdahl. let's listen to senator mccain and then i'll bring you in. >> even if we close guantanamo, we'll send them to facilities in the united states of america. that's been the plan all along. if you think we were just going to release everybody, like khalid shaikh mohammed khalid shaikh mohammed and others, i'm afraid you've been misinformed.
we're not going to release everybody. second of all, i believe that we should keep these people, because they're hard-core jihadists who were responsible for 9/11. >> the five, were you familiar with the five, once the names did come out, that were used? we have the pictures up here. were you familiar with them? and give us some kind of a description of them if you are familiar. and give us an idea of who is left of the 149 still left at guantanamo. what kind of guys, what kind of either enemy combatants or terrorists are we talking about? >> for starters, yes, these men are extremely familiar. the topic of this prisoner exchange has been on the fringes of the news for a couple of years now. nobody should have been surprised that these were the five men who were traded. we've known their names, we've known their profiles. they're taliban. there's no doubt about that. the taliban asked for them. and identified them as their people they wanted back. they include a former interior
minister, a former army chief of staff. these are men who at guantanamo were held in communal security confinement, did not give the guards a hard time, and spent their days eating together, praying together, being allowed to have recreation together. they were not the hunger strikers. they were not force fed and they were cooperative captives. the other 149 include 78 men who are on a list who could theoretically be transferred to their home nations, or to third country resettlement. they range from -- the majority of them, of course, are yemeni, but there are another dozen afghan down there, and four are on the list to be repatriated to their homeland. the americans decided to keep a few, and a few to try, and the rest of the other half are people for whom the state department has been negotiating either repatriation or
resettlement deals in order to thin it out. one point, though, senator mccain is absolutely right. they did not have any intention of letting everybody go. they planned on moving guantanamo detainees to the u.s. for another form of indefinite detention. >> on the debate going back and forth, what do you make of it? just the way people feel? we showed that poll. people are torn. it's becoming so politicized, i was talking to governor rendell and davis earlier. they're turned off how this has been politicized. everything is, of course. but we don't know enough. what is your reaction to how people are reacting, whether in washington, or around the country, just to us making a deal to get a guy back who we're not so sure about the circumstances of why he ended up captured in the first place? >> i think it is a reflection on how politicized we are. it's sad. there's a lot of bad information out there, and a lot of confusion. the polls showed, done by my
news organization, reuters, shows most americans haven't made their minds up about bowe bergdahl. but senator mccain was confusing to me, these five that were released have no links to 9/11, none of them are accused of killing americans, and it's unclear what we were going to do with these afghans once we won the war in afghanistan. so roughly half of the 149 left in guantanamo are dangerous people who might have links to al qaeda that we're going to try. there are another half that we don't know what to do with them. and these taliban commanders were part of that group. aup this concern about how dangerous these taliban are, you know, we're leaving afghanistan. we're ending the war there. we don't as a country seem to be worried about afghanistan and the taliban, and just to be fair on the other side of it, i think the white house is getting a lot of criticism here and they deserve it, i think they handled this poorly. the rose garden, not notifying congress. and the story seems to be shifting more to criticizing the
white house itself and less this family and this soldier. >> carol, i hear some arguments and conversations out there, and you let me know if they're legitimate, in thinking that the war is winding down. we have the taliban guys, you have one of our guys, and if someone put it in that vein of a prisoner exchange at the end of a war, can you put it -- is it that simple, frankly? taliban's not necessarily the type of, you know, government you think of that followed the normal rules of war. >> but this has been an open question, absolutely. especially in the obama administration of, once the american troops leave afghanistan, what would be the authority to hold taliban. there's a distinction made between taliban, which for better or worse, was the ruling government in afghanistan, when the americans invaded. and the al qaeda, for whom there may be an argument for indefinite detention, which is what the obama administration seems to be working towards.
so yes, there's a dozen more afghan there at guantanamo. if they are found to be taliban, the question is, what will be the authority to keep them after the americans get out of the afghanistan invasion. >> david, as someone who was kidnapped, and who was held, looking at this now, and the arguments being made that there's some kind of -- not necessarily open season, i'm trying to think of the right terminology that a congressman used earlier in saying, this is now making commodities, currency, hostages. now he said this will be send up in a way that those enemies out there could say, let me go snatch an american soldier or service member, it's not easy to do, but still, this is something i can do and get something in exchange for it. does that concern you? >> i do think kidnapping is a tactic that has worked for al qaeda. it's not just the united states. we don't have a joint policy with our allies. israel traded 1,000 prisoners
for one israeli soldier a few years ago. european governments paid over $100 million in ransom to al qaeda affiliates. and this goes beyond this one case. we need to kind of get control of these ungoverned spaces. i was held in this safe area the taliban have in pakistan. why didn't the pakistani army which we have given $15 billion in aid since 9/11, why wasn't there more of an effort to find me. why wasn't there more effort to find bowe bergdahl. they've reduced the safe havens and reduced the number of kidnappings, and we need that broad strategy, and to move beyond this constant, you know, political point scoring, i think. >> last thing to you here, on his point, carol, the idea that
this would now open some kind of open season. and we might see more and more kidnappings because this sends a wrong type of message. >> i think it's a little bit naive to think that al qaeda wasn't trying to kidnap american soldiers before. i think every american is hopeful that the u.s. forces on the ground have the kind of operational security in place to make sure that our troops aren't being kidnapped or taken hostage. >> carol rosenberg, and again, david rhode, thank you both for being here on this sunday. >> thank you. coming up on the bottom of the hour here now. we'll be talking about sugar. you hear how many reports, how much should you have, how bad is it for you. everybody tells you to cut out the sweets. our next guest is a doctor and he said, hold on now. supreme chex mix. and it rotates.
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with alex witt." i'm t.j. holmes in today for alex. here are your fast five headlines. looks like donald sterling won't let go of his team, not just yet. the associated press said sterling won't sign last week's deal because the nba won't revoke the $2.5 million fine against him. as a result, sterling reportedly will continue to pursue the lawsuit. search is under way in quebec for three inmates who escaped from a prison using a helicopter as their getaway vehicle. the three boarded the chopper last night when it swooped into the prison's courtyard. no one knows where the chopper came from. incidentally, it's quebec's second helicopter-assisted jail break this year. police in australia think human remains found inside a crocodile are those of a man snatched from a boat. the crocodile attacked the 62-year-old yesterday at a popular park. today marks three months since the disappearance of the malaysian airliner. the chinese ship began mapping
23,000 square miles of the indian ocean floor, which could take three months before an underwater hunt can begin. egypt has sworn in its new president. he's the former army chief who led last year's ouster of 9 country's first freely elected president after days of protests. those are your fast five headlines. history at the vatican, after the israeli and palestinian presidents took part in an unprecedented prayer meeting with pope francis. joining me now. >> reporter: t.j., the presidents arrived here at the vatican about an hour ago. the pope welcomed both of them with a warm embrace. right now, all three of them are inside the vatican gardens where there are three consecutive moments of prayers for the jewish, christian and islamic faiths. they are interspersed with some musical interludes. well, now each will recite a passage on creation, a request for forgiveness and a cry for
help. and at the end of the ceremony, the three will plant an olive tree, of course, a symbol for peace. that's what this prayer is all about. this is a powerful symbol of peace. but in the end, the pope really hopes that the prayer will galvanize the public opinion to put pressure on the respective governments to restart the peace process that right now is in a stalemate. hopefully it will have that effect, because it comes at a very sensitive time, in the peace process, where, for instance, the u.s.-led negotiation has just failed and israel has just announced the construction of new settlements in occupied territories. well, it looks like this peace process really needs a miracle. and maybe a prayer in the vatican is a good start, t.j. >> claudeio for us, miracle and a prayer, thank you so much. we return now to dramatic end to this weekend's events marking the seventh anniversary of d-day.
nearly 1,000 paratroopers honored their d-day ancestors. they ultimately landed in a village that was the very first liberated by courageous allied troops. new controversy over california chrome's failed bid at the triple crown. america's horse fell short in yesterday's belmont stakes. a crowd of more than 100,000 showed up for the race. it was the third largest crowd in belmont stakes history. but now california chrome's co-owner, steve coburn is speaking out against the competition. nbc's kristen dahlgren joins me now -- he's upset. he's upset. >> he's really upset. he went off after the race in no uncertain terms yesterday. look, he says that the problem is that tonalist didn't race in the first two legs of the triple
crown, the kentucky derby and preakness. california chrome ran three times, tonalist came in fresh, and he said that is the problem. and he did not mince words. take a listen. >> i'm 61 years old. i'll never see in my lifetime, i'll never see another triple crown winner because of the way they do this. it's not fair to these horses that have been in the game since day one. this is a coward's way out. >> so that was in the heat of the moment right after the race. we wondered if he had time to sleep on it, if maybe he would tone things down, change his mind a little bit. erica hill asked him what he meant by cowards. here's what he had to say about that. >> when you nominate your horse for the triple crown, that means three. not one out of three, but three. so that's what i meant by it. it's a coward's shot at people, or horses. because they don't have the --
they don't want to see a triple crown winner, because they didn't have their horse in the other two races. >> now, he said he will not race in three again. he said if he's lucky enough to have a horse to win the kentucky derby, he will race it there, but will not again try for the triple crown. >> aside from calling folks cowards, does he have a point? has this been talked about in the racing community? maybe this is unfair or it's supposed to be hard? >> absolutely. this is an argument they've had over and over again. a lot of people ask the question, why did we have winners back in the '70s? horses then were bred for a little more stamina. the belmont is a longer race. right now they're breeding them for quick sprints. the other issue, though, is that in this case, you know, maybe they are talking about lengthening the time between the races. but that would change the system. and so a lot of people, even who have debated this said, look, it really just wasn't the
appropriate place to talk about this, right after the race. maybe he should have brought it up before the belmont stakes, before his horse was racing, and talk about how he may not win because of the exhaustion. it's an ongoing debate in horse racing. but it is the way it's been for quite some time. >> all right. kristen dahlgren, thanks so much. 37 minutes past the hour now. america's obesity epidemic remains the biggest public health issue. despite the growing awareness of needing to diet and get to the gym, more than a third of the country now obese. nearly 7 in 10 u.s. adults overweight. many theories about what's driving the epidemic, one from the new documentary "fed up" saying america's addiction to sugar is the culprit. listen to this. >> there are 600,000 food items in america, 80% of them have added sugar. >> your brain lights up with sugar just like it does with
cocaine or heroin. you'll become an addict. >> the greatest health epidemics of our time. >> dr. james hatlin said not so fast. it's called, being happy with sugar. doc, you've got to help us out here. you've got to help us out. is sugar the problem? >> sugar's part of the problem. i definitely think so. but there comes a problem also when you put too much emphasis on one micronutrient. that sort of gives a health halo to other things, to eating too much saturated fat. we know trans fats are definitely bad. and then you get into parsing which kinds of sugar might be slightly better for you than others, which sort of seems like it's allowing you to eat the ones that aren't as bad. there's a lot of nuance to it that i think it sometimes overlooked. >> doc, let's simplify it. for people listening to this, we're told this sugar's okay, all sugar is bad.
when it comes to sugar, what do you recommend? i know there's a lot of nuance, but kind of simplify for people hearing that sugar is the problem, and sugar is the reason for the obesity epidemic, give us simple advice here. >> sure. sugar is part of the problem. and added sugars are definitely part of the problem. and there is also this trend to choose things that are natural, like agave nectar or fruit juice concentrate used to sweeten things. what we know is that those kinds of sweeteners are most likely just as bad as regular sugar, as high fructose corn syrup, that you hear about frequently being bad. >> so the things we hear as okay sugars might not necessarily be. this "fed up" this documentary, i want to listen to something that one of the director actually said about calories and exercise.
let's listen. >> a calorie is not a calorie. up until now, the industry has told us you can eat whatever you want as long as you exercise it off. but what we found in making the film is that a calorie from almonds is not the same calorie from soda. >> is that right? >> yeah. absolutely. >> all right. we've got so many doctors and so much information here, i'm trying to break it down. a calorie is not a calorie anymore. explain what she's talking about there. >> some calories will alter the hormones your body releases and change your blood sugar in ways that will actually increase hunger down the line, and contribute to fat as opposed to actually burning those calories. so you want to make sure you're eating a balanced diet in addition to the moderation. if we shift the focus too far from just choosing the right foods and say, you can eat basically as much as you want as long as you're eating the good calories, that's also an issue.
so i think we've been hearing for a long time, limit your calories. that goes hand in hand with eating a balanced diet. it's not too different from what we've been hearing for a long time. >> doc, is this common sense? so am confusion, people listen to this report, that report, something new every day. isn't this a matter of common sense? don't we know that a salad is good for you and that's what we should be eating versus a bag of candy? how much does the confusion contribute to the actual epidemic? >> i think a lot of people are confused and promising easy answers, saying something like this is what you need to eat, or get this out of your diet, that's the problem. there are so many factors that go into it. it's lifestyle, how much you eat, choices you make, everything together. we're still learning more, and there are no simple solutions, unfortunately. >> eliminating sugars from a diet cannot constitute playing it safe, and means getting calories elsewhere, just like cutting out fat in the '80s is
blamed on people consuming too much sugar. everything is good, and everything is bad. you're killing me, doc. this is common sense stuff. why is this not getting through to us? >> i think it's getting through to more and more people, hopefully. >> okay. >> there are so many conflicting messages in the media that we need to be aware of. and stick to the basic tenets. and -- >> doc, what's one of the biggest ones that drive you crazy? one of the biggest misconceptions out there you wish you could turn around if you had a chance? >> well, one of the ones i talk about in my piece is the idea that fructose specifically is especially toxic. as opposed to other sorts of simple sugars, carbohydrates. and that's a very interesting idea. and there's promising research going on there. but i think we've spoken too
soon in saying it's absolutely the worst, or that it's toxic, to imply we should be eating other things instead of it that might be just as bad. >> oh, my goodness. i've got to make sure i get your twitter account and have it up. because some doctors are probably out there listening to you saying, i can't believe he's telling these folks this. we're trying to get as much information out as possible. doc, appreciate you spending time with us today. >> thank you so much. stay with us. the uproar you've been hearing for the past week or so over the release of the five taliban fighters. well, might get a whole lot louder on capitol hill this week. the heat on the white house, not falling along party lines. you know that dream... on my count. the one where you step up and save the day? make it happen.
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of political science at highram college, and democratic congressman from pennsylvania patrick murphy. who is also the first vet of the iraq war to serve in congress. i'll start with one of the latest articles talking about the gop angry about the bergdahl release deal. the senators watched a proof of life video. since then we've heard senator lindsay graham use the word impeachment. what have you noticed in reaction from the republicans and where do they go from here? >> republicans have been very outraged about the exchange. you know, one of the things they've brought up is the fact that sergeant bergdahl's role in the military is still under question. one of the things they want to know is what kind of soldier was he, and many of those who served with him have been very critical about sergeant bergdahl's service in afghanistan. so i think that one of the things we're going to see is they're going to continue on
capitol hill to have hearings, to be critical of the administration, and the obama administration is not backing do down. the president said he stands by his decision and it's something he would do again. i think we'll see this fight ramp up on capitol hill. >> congressman, let me bring you in here. you're an iraq war vet. what is your reaction, to the reaction, essentially saying, you know what, even if he did walk off, should we not still be doing all we can to go get him? what are your feelings now about bergdahl and how we're responding to bergdahl? >> i echo general dempsey, that we don't leave anybody behind, t.j., period. whether this guy was a deserter or not, the republicans are playing politics with this. they are purposely inflating these issues. we bring our men and women home who are in harm's way. good they did something wrong while they were over there, we court-martial them, we investigate and court-martial
them. we do not outsource american justice to the taliban. we bring them home and take care of our own business on our own soil. >> jason, this has been a highly political week. the past week we've seen, now got secretary hagel up on capitol hill testifying. >> the republicans are going to scream and yell that barack obama did something terrible. even if these are some of the same people who said bergdahl should be brought home a couple of weeks ago. this is an asinine slippery slope. they want to get into the philosophical discussions whether or not somebody should be brought home. i don't care if you're captain america or beetle bailey. this discussion as to the merits of bringing somebody back don't make sense. he was the only p.o.w. left. what did they expect president obama to do? >> congressman, on the cost, does it make a difference if there are questions about how he
walked off, or if he walked off, or if he was a clear american hero over there, do we -- should we be willing to give up the same for two soldiers no matter what the circumstances may have been? >> yes, tj, we do not leave anyone behind. it's not for congress to be the judge and jury. congress that declared the war in afghanistan and iraq. it's up to the commander in chief to execute the war policy. this is part of the war policy. congress are trying to micromanage it. just weeks ago, they were saying a 180. now they're saying we're not sure about that. listen, we bring everybody home. everybody. and this is the last p.o.w. that is held ipcaptivity. we're bringing him home. >> on one point, does it give the republicans some leverage given that it seems it was, and i have heard a lot of criticism over the past couple hours from a lot of geshs saying the
president, the administration, handled this a little poorly. they could have saved themselves some political headache said by informal congress, by not doing some in the rose garden with the family of bowe bergdahl. does this give the republicans more political ammunition than they would have had? >> the instance in the rose garden is an interestirserestin. the president and the white house knew how controversial this was going to be. what they were doing is trying to make this a very personal issue. they wanted the american people to understand the pain this family was going through. they wanted them to understand why the president couldn't tell congress ahead of time. definitely think him not going to gresdz gives the republicans more ammunition going forward, but i think the white house already knew that was going to be an issue. i don't think this is a surprise to them. >> last thing to you, here, jason, you said it's going tobe a rough week, but you say it's foolishness in a lot of ways.
we should be taking some pride, frankly, in the fact no matter what the circumstances are, and patrick has been saying this country, as a country, no matter what, we're going to come with you. with all of the controversy going on, is this a moment we can stop and be proud of ourselves. >> there's a u.s. soldier who is back home, who is alive with his family today because of what barack obama did. that is a time to celebrate. we have the rest of bowe bergdahl's life to determine if he was a good gai or not, but that something every single soldier would want, whether you're the west in the world or an absolute screw-up, you should know your country is going to get you. >> terrorists and vid yeo games that's one of the things you're going to hear about. unitedhealthcare's innovative, simple program helps moms stay on track with their doctors to get the right care and guidance. (anncr vo) that's health in numbers. unitedhealthcare.
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