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>> if there's something constructive that can be contributed by iran, if iran is prepared to do something that is going to respect the integrity and sovereignty of iraq and the ability of the government to reform, i think we are open to any constructive process here that could minimize the violence, hold iraq together. the integrity of the country. >> the pentagon was quick to stress that for now, that would be purely political, not military collaboration. iran would be something of a strange bedfellow, though, of course, with the shared goal of stopping sunni insurgents sweeping iraq right now. it would be the latest in a long history of america forging some pretty uneasy alliances in this region. desperate measures spurred by desperate circumstances. that's because isis fighters took another city tal afar just before dawn today. adding it to this list of territories already under isis control. you see those cities there.
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and there are also new rumors of mass atrocities, include something reports that isis fighters executed hundreds, some say more than 1,000 iraqi soldiers and posted pictures online. these photos and those reports have not been verified by nbc news. for now, the obama administration is moving another navy ship into the region and bolstering security at the embassy in baghdad. but will that be enough? or will regional partnerships, perhaps even extending to iran, be next on the table? joining me from erbil in northern iraq is nbc news foreign correspondent ayman mohyeldin. there's word of refugees of these captured cities flooding into erbil where you are, which is located, of course, in iraqi kurdistan. have you had the chance to speak to any of these refugees about isis? >> we have, ronan. there's been about 500,000 or so refugees that have tried to enter the kurdish regionalse
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semiautonomous region. they told us about the atmosphere, what the climate inside some of these cities has been. they've described to us a scene that's not necessarily what you would have expected after these fighters have taken control inspect mosul, they told us that the isis fighters there had managed to remove all of the checkpoints that had been set up by the iraqi national army. more importantly, they are trying, the fighters. the isis fighters are trying to get some of the city back up and running into some sense of normalcy. shops are opening up. but at the same time, they are also doing some or imposing some draconian measures such as the women that enter the streets or go out into the streets have to be dressed fully veiled. they also are prohibiting the sale of cigarettes. they're imposing what they call sharia law but they're trying to get some of these areas under their control back to a sense of normal normalcy. the people we've been talking to, some of those flee, have been extremely concerned by some of the violations of human
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rights that involve the mass execution that happened over the weekend that was allegedly put up on the website belonging to one of the isis groups. there's a lot of different accounts by people making their way out of mosul. >> are you hearing any reactions to this prospect of iran playing a greater role on the ground. >> well, depending on who you ask, when we asked some of the refugees that are leaving the northern part of the country, predominantly sunni arabs, they've been telling us iran has backed this government this, shia-led government of maliki for several years. it does not come as a surprise to them that iran would be sending any paramilitary forces or shia militias to fight this fight. they've been talking about the prime minister in very sectarian lines or terms over the past several days and in fact, the past several years. it would not come as a surprise to many of the people there if, in fact, iran becomes more involved in the day-to-day fighting on the ground. >> see if that comes to pass. nbc's ayman mohyeldin,
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appreciate that update. this idea of using iran as a part of a solution in iraq is reverberating on the hill. here's senator lindsey graham yesterday. >> we're going to have to have some dialogue with the iranians to say let's coordinate our efforts but put a red line. don't use this crisis to take territory from the iraqi people. put them on notice that we will not accept their intervening into iraq for the purpose of creating a satellite state for iran. >> will that message resonate with both chambers? will we see more of it out of both parties? joining me congressman eliot eng engel. congressman, thank you for being here gop you think this idea of great collaboration with iran is smart or a dangerous decision to make here? >> i think it's probably both. i think it's smart because we frankly are caught between a rock and a hard place. we don't really know what to do. and we are grasping as strauss as foras i can see. this is a direct result, obviously, from our ill fated
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incursion into iraq during the bush administration. we're paying the price now. and i think what's happening is that the president is sort of grasping at straws because we cannot allow isis to overrun the country because we'll have a situation if that happens like we had in afghanistan when the russians were driven out of the country and the taliban were allowed to sort of have a no man's land in afghanistan and come together. and the result was september 11th. this would happen again if isis just went unabated and controlled large swaths of iraq. we don't want that to happen. on the other hand, we don't want to get involved in another war. one mistake shouldn't be compounded by making a second mistake. we're grasping at straws. if woor loe're looking towards we've reached a new low. we have to not close any windows and just kind of look to see what alternatives might be out there. >> congressman engel, this all goes back to that initial
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decision to intervene. we've seen so many prominent politicians say they regretted jumping on that bandwagon, including hillary clinton recently. do you think we could see a similar phenomenon. >> i don't think there's any stomach for intervention, boots on the ground, troops again. i just don't see it anywhere. i don't see it amongst democrats. maybe some republicans might think it's a good idea. but i don't think there's the stomach for it. the american people are tired of it. and you know, you look and see what happened in iraq. we lost so many young men and women, american blood. it cost us billions and billions of dollars to fight this war and now you see this terrorist group isis overrunning all the places where americans fought and died. just makes your heart cry to see this happen. so i don't think there's any stomach for that. i know i don't have any. >> families around the country are still wrestling with all the
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devastation. i think you are exactly right. the numbers bear that out. we'll see how it plays out on though hill. congressman engel, appreciate you joining me. is this idea of a partnership with iran the best case scenario for the people not just in the states but in iraq? is it the best hope to help those hundreds of thousands now fleeing, according to reports, and to bring together a country that seems to be splitting along sectarian seams? joining me is the ceo of women for women international. she's also an iraqi of both shiite and sunni descent. she wrote a memoir about growing up in saddam hussein's iraq entitled "between two worlds." that seems to be an apt statement right now. joining me from washington as well is ambassador steward holliday for special political affairs at the united nations. so two important perspectives here. zane, i'll start with you. i understand you've been in touch with family on both sides of the aisle back home. how is the reaction splitting along those sectarian lines? >> i just talked to all my family members this morning
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actually in baghdad and it also includes christian friends. and i've never seen anybody as demoralized as they are today. the streets of baghdad are empty. people are stocking up on fuel and food. people are avoiding going in the street and staying at home. and for the first time, there's a sense of sort of giving up on the possibility that iraq may be actually divided. it's a very sad situation. >> zaneab, what they're most particularly afraid of and do women have a lot to fear here? >> when isis first came and took over some of the properties last week there was a split in the country. some people call them revolutionaries and some people called them terrorists. and at the begin, as you also reported on, some of the members or citizens just gave up. well, now actually, a few days later, we see now isis real face. they had issued, for example, a fatwa permitting more sects. it means sects with their own fighters. they are doing surveys of households in mosul and they are
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asking about how many virgins in each household. they already issued -- >> how many virgins are in each household? and they issued a fatwa of men should not be allowed to shave their beards and anybody who does not report to work will be flautuated 50 times. so now people are nervous on both sides. moderates and shias are nervous. christians are very, very nervous. they report someday burning of churches in mosul. it's a different situation. >> so we're already getting a glimpse into exactly the kind of state that isis would run here. ambassador holliday, given how dire those reports from the ground are, should other countries in the region be afraid? >> absolutely. as you know, this group is called, you know, the islamic state in iraq and syria. and there's also a lavont offshoot. this isn't about borders. an extremist radical group which
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has rebuilt capability and all the neighborhood is very worried about this. >> ambassador holliday, do you think this kind of collaboration with iran we've been hearing lindsey graham and others propose on the hill could be a real solution? >> i really don't. in the long run, obviously, iran plays a critical role and we need to be communicate with them. but this problem originally was exacerbated by the fact the maliki government was viewed as too pro-shia. until that government reaches out and includes elements of the sunni population in key positions, it's going to be perceived of more along sectarian lines. if iran plays a constructive role and pressures maliki to have more of an open political dialogue with the sunnis, as unlikely as that is that could be constructive. but if iran is simply buttressing the shia militias in the army in a civil war, in the
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long run, that's not going to solve anything. >> seems like it could take the sectarian tensions and blow them wide. are you hearing your relatives and friends back home react to that reaction of more iran in the mix? >> yes. people are scared of having iran and that includes shias. iran can never play an objective role in iraq. by having iran intervene or giving the space for iran to interfere, we even have the chance of exaggerating the tenseions between sunni and shias not only in iran but in syria and lebanon. iran can never play an objective role in here. the only way we can calm the situation is if we have outside troops coming in and helping out in the situation and that is including u.s. and iran collaboration in the country. >> is that whau you are hearing people call from? >> people in iraq never gave up on the u.s. until today, the sort of narrative in iraq is that the u.s. will come and save us. and that's from both sunnis and shia. so that narrative never changed, even though the u.s. has sort of
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long gone from iraq. and changed its own narrative. yes, the morality in iraq is, can the u.s. come and save us. >> ambassador holliday if direct intervention isn't feasible politically, there are any other parties on the ground the united states should be looking to for strategic partnership right now? >> i mean, the regional groupings like the arab league. obviously the action by the u.n. security council, which would have to go through russia, which, you know, this is all tied back to syria where iran and russia are going to say, look. if we'll help you in iraq, you all have to ease up your pressure on the assad regime. there's not a military force in the region that's readily deployable except for the united states. and again, what you are going to see there with the carrier, the other assets in the region, at most, would be some sort of targeted air strikes against isis. >> all right. we'll see if that's where it stops. ambassador stewart holliday, and
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will baghdad fall? and who in the region if anyone, can stop it? those seem to be the big military questions out of iraq. the iraqi government is scrambling to halt the advance of those islamic militants on its capital city. meanwhile, the united states is considering its options for intervention, potentially including that partnership we've been talking about today with iran. but is it going to come to that? first, let's get the latest from nbc's richard engel in baghdad
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right now. >> after we arrived here in baghdad, we drove around the center of the city for almost an hour. the 1st thing we noticed was the streets are practically empty. very few cars. a lot of nervousness here. people aren't going outside their homes unless they have to. there's a curfew in place at night. also, lots of military vehicles. the iraqi army has deployed. deploying armored vehicles, heavy machine guns in front of the airport in front of military bases. they want to make this a hard target as the militants from isis, the al qaeda offshoot, are only about 60, 70 miles away from baghdad. an attack on the city doesn't seem as likely. you'd also be very difficult at the stage. the iraqi army is mobilized and not just them. we're also seen iraqi shiite militias. these are militias, some of them in uniform. others in plain clothes driving in civilian cars. quite a few of them. they are armed. we saw them with their guns hanging out of taxi windows. they've broken up the city into
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sectors. now you have two groups defending the city. the militias and the army and isis on the outside, this al qaeda group, still trying to take territory. richard engel, nbc news, baghdad. >> thanks to richard engel for that. now let's dive head long into the military snarl of implications here. msnbc military analyst colonel jack jacobs is here to break down what's ahead. the nightmare scenario seems to be they ultimately take baghdad here. and to prevent that, it seems like they are just up against so much. these are all of the different cities that have fallen so far. of course, that's to these forces known as isis. the islamic state of iraq and syria. first of all, do you think in light of this picture of how much has gone so far that there's any chance of pushing this back? >> there's always a chance but they have to make an effort to counterattack. which is one reason the iraqi army and the militias are gearing up to defend baghdad because ultimately it will mean
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it will base a jumping off point from which they can counterattack. unless they counterattack, then they will have big troubles. not necessarily in baghdad but they'll totally and completely lose control of the north forever. >> what about the broader regional implications. just how hugely wide this is. across the two countries here, all the way up to the mediterranean. and could we see a takeover of isis forces that includes more than even just two countries? is that what's in the cards? >> probably not. at least not now in any case. i think you'll see a long civil war inside iraq for the foreseeable future before you ever have any direct ground threat to any place else. so i think that's going to take a while. what's really interesting also is that there are relatively speaking, very few isis people and a very large number of iraqi forces plus militia. if they were really serious, they can hold on to baghdad, prevent the incursion further
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south into areas near basra n also to counterattack will which end the thing but start a long civil war. >> we're back with zainab as well. when you look at those maps and how bleak the prospects of military victory seem at this point, do you think that even the extenuating circumstance of bringing in iraq might be what has to be on the table? >> we can't -- we have to understand what's happening with the shias. if you want to intervene, intervene because it's protecting the shia population in iraq. and they do feel they are threatened by the sunni population, particularly by isis who calls for the killing of shias. the bigger issue here is how the sunnis are going to react. are the sunnis going to side with isis and that's fundamentalism or are they going to say we are iraqis first and most important and we're going to defend our country unity? now the sunnis are divided between those supporting isis and the national unity of the
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country. >> general jacobs, anyone on the ground the u.s. can partner with without it blowing up into a regional set of tensions? >> no, absolutely not. it's going to have to be a multinational force, if it's going to be anything. and you can't rely on anybody in the region to actually come to the floor and work under our tutelage. not only that, the united states has already -- once bitten, twice shy. we have no interest of going on to the ground with anything except a relatively small number of special forces and special operations forces who can control air strikes. maybe help to train some of the special forces in iraq and so on, but i don't think you can get a lot of enthusiasm, even in the region to even partner with the united states in this operation. >> what about the drones option. that's something that's been talked about a lot. obviously something that's had some success in the region but in this yaicase, where it's potentially urban warfare -- >> even if it's not urban warfare it's difficult. before you launch any kind of attack from a drone or from any
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of the ships that are currently in the region you have to have good intelligence. you have to know where the enemy is and so on. don't forget that isis at the moment is a relatively small force. it's not in concentrations, big concentrations where you can launch an attack and eliminate a large number of their people. they are not an assembly areas. they are dispersed around the country. so the use any of surface to surface or air to surface ordnance is a tactical expedient but it's not going to do anything for the long term. >> that tool kit that may allow us to strike without putting boots on the ground, would that be well received from people there you've left behind? >> a lot of iraqi d want american intervention in my opinion. it's in everyone's -- it's in america's national interest that iraq does not split. if this is going to be a split of a country between sunni, shias and kurds, then we first have the threat of the christian community in iraq. what will happen to them? then second we have iran's
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intervention in the whole region. now we have the larger war between sunnis and shias and now other sunni countries such as saudi arabia and qatar intervening. it will lead to a larger regional war. it's in everyone's best interest to keep iraq as one country. >> you also have the kurds with their own area right now. there are kurds in six different countries. i know the kurds and the turks have been sort of getting along, but 40% of the oil is in kurdistan. and with kurds everywhere, and it really independent kurdistan inside iraq, you're liable to have one really dangerous war. >> so many interests in iraq. oil investments many countries now have. could we see other countries than just the united states playing a superpower type role in how this plays out. >> they're all going to try. they're all going to either try to protect them or take them. and that's where the real danger lies.
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at some junction the united states will have to do something. and, of course, the farther away we get from the pfd time when we were there in force and didn't do what we should have done after saddam hussein was deposed, the more difficult it's going to become for the united states to actually effect what's on the ground. let me add one more thing at the risk of dominating the conversation. >> we love your dominating the conversation. bring it on. >> we keep talking about american assets there. we have george h.w. bush. two frigates. >> marines going to the embassy. >> we're going to have several hundred marines in the embassy. and therein lies the issue. what are all those ships there for? everybody says they are there to launch attacks and we're going to have drones. well, think about this. they may be there to evacuate americans. don't forget we've got something like 5,000 americans, mostly civilian contractors, inside iraq and they are not in baghdad. some are in areas controlled by isis. and that's one reason we have a
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major american force there to evacuate americans and think about what kind of mess that would be. >> zainab, last word to you. you've been talking to people back home. what do you think the main message the american people should hear from the iraqi people is right now? >> the sunni/shia divide may be a historical one but for hundreds of years, for decades, for as long as i am alive in iraq, that this was not a primary identity of us. we were iraqis first. we were arabs or kurds and the sunni and shia factor was something we have suppressed and controlled. and now it is the -- the genie is out of the box and i must say that america contributed to that genie coming out of the box. and so how can we reignite iraqi unity because not only is it in iraq's interest. it's in the regional interest. and i have one more thing to say. if america does not do something about it, russia is coming. and russia is changing the dynamics. >> there's a lot more to chew on here. you guys were phenomenal on this. colonel jack jacobs and zainab.
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be doing that. >> well, that's sad. romney went on to say he wants to find the best candidate for 2016 and help shape the future of his party. but if it's not going to be romney is there anyone who can take on the hillary clinton juggernaut? joining us to discuss, democratic strategist bob shrum and robert schrader. thank you both for being here. gentlemen, first off, what do these republicans gain from being at a summit like this? robert? >> i think a couple of things. as mitt romney said, it's a great convenience if you will, to be in the same room with a lot of rich people as it relates to if you are running for president. and i also think that mitt romney is a convener when it comes to ideas and networking and so forth. you're right. he lost twice. no question about it. that he probably would not be running in 2016. but he still very much is a connector as it relates to the ideas, but also when it comes to the money which is exactly what the republican party needs.
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new, fresh ideas and, obviously, the political muscle and financial muscle to go against hillary clinton, if, in fact, she becomes the nominee on the democratic side. >> it's a testament to how big his profile still is, plus horseback riding. so fun. bob shrum, what about this element of attacking hillary clinton. he went afterer in the speech. blamed her for allowing these global threats to develop. iraq. syria. if she does run, is that going to be a successful case against her? >> i, you know, look. the republicans are out not just romney, but reince priebus, all across the board to go after hillary clinton as hard as they can. i think they don't want to run against her. they fear running against her. if they think she's running, and i think she is they want to get as much done in terms of damage to her as they can as early as possible. the irony here was that romney back during the campaign spoke about hillary clinton. but the focus has shifted.
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2016. and by the way, i would not rule out that romney might, might just in the end emerge as a candidate. >> robert traynham, isn't it a little unfair to blame one secretary of state for these global problems? >> sure because at the end of the day, the secretary of state is only one piece of the problem if you will. if you put it in that context. my point is she's fair game. she is, obviously, traveling around the country defending her record. and so republicans are obviously going to poke holes in the record. at the end of the day i'm not sure it's going to be about the iraq and so forth. i think it's really going to be the economy in 2016. you know, we have probably a jobless recovery as relates to the overall jobless rate in this country. so i really think that what republicans are trying to do is find hillary clinton around foreign policy but also at the end of the day, it's still going to be about the economy, which is kind of the soft underbelly in the 2016 presidential campaign. or will be. >> and always comes back to the
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economy. bob shrum, most interesting to me was this was also something of a proving ground for one potential democratic candidate. brian schweitzer was there. does he have a realistic prospect going into 2016? he's been out and about a lot. >> no. >> all right. tell us how you feel. >> the democratic party is not going to nominate someone with his position on guns. he made a crack about how much more comfortable it was to be in a room with romney than to be in a room with obama. i think he's out there having a lot of fun. i don't think he's a serious alternative. he may run but he would lose to hillary clinton. there's a poll out this morning showing 63%, 65% of democrats favor her. that's twice as big a lead as she had in 2007. and if romney, by the way, because the republicans are divided. they are looking for somebody who can take her on. if christie falls apart and bush doesn't run, watch the establishment gravitate toward romney as the only alternative
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they had. now there's only one president in modern history for a defeated nominee coming back and winning the white house and that's richard nixon in 1968. and that was because romney's father who was his principal opponent, fell apart in that campaign. >> you are going farther in the pro-romney predictions than i've heard anywhere else. that's fascinating. >> i'm not saying he's going to do it. i'm just saying the republican establishment, it's a divided party especially after the cantor thing. they don't think ted cruz can win or rand paul. they don't think one of these governors is going to emerge. if christie doesn't do it and bush doesn't run, who else do they have? >> it's a stark message. i don't think you're the only one feeling that way, especially in light of just how this narrative of inevitablity is building. it's built before and not come to pass. it's picking up momentum. one big thing over the weekend, she was signing books at costco saturday morning. got a lot of press because, interesting kind of colorful cast of characters showed up. congressman john lewis and you
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see right there, sonia sotomayor was there getting her book signed. love me some sonia sotomayor. we finally know what's under those robes. it's all comfy stuff. so look how tuned in hillary clinton is there. too much fraternization? >> not at all. look. you're going to costco. a six-pack of shaving cream. or paper towels. stop by and see hillary clinton. looks like that's what was happening. >> you come for the big tide but stay for hillary clinton. >> costco has great cupcakes. but back to your question, hillary clinton is the hottest ticket in town right now if you are a democrat. you are excited about her potential candidacy. you are excited about her record. she's a woman and that's clearly the glass ceiling we have yet to crack. hillary clinton is someone you probably want to go out and support whether it be signing her book or also maybe cheering her on. the question becomes, and i disagree with bob on this. i really do think it's going to be chris christie, scott walker or probably jeb bush from florida.
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conservatives are very comfortable with jeb bush. he is one of them. he is someone that comes, obviously, from a very big state and he could very much defeat the clinton machine. i think he's the only one that can do it. >> a lot of questions outstanding about where the republican party heads from here. bob shrum and robert traynham, thank you. are we doing enough to stop sexual violence in conflict zones? that's a topic we tackled last week. we're returning to it all week for our new call to action. up ahead, one woman shares her powerful personal story. stay with us for that. so i can reach ally bank 24/7 but there are no branches? 24/7 i'm sorry- i'm just really reluctant to try new things. really? what's wrong with trying new things? you feel that in your muscles? yeah...i do... drink water. it's a long story. well, not having branches lets us give you great rates and service. i'd like that. experience a new way to bank where no branches = great rates.
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>> if rape is a tool of war like, say, nukes or chemical weapons, how do you eliminate is from war? that's the question angelina jolie puts us and to leaders from 123 different countries at a high-level summit on rape in conflict that just concluded in london. we're picking up the baton this week wths our call to action. the challenge is staggering. take a listen to these facts. in our past we've seen this over and over. 2020,000 and 50,000 women were raped during the war in bosnia and herzegovina. today, equally stark. 40 women raped every day in the conflict ridden congo's province of southern kivu. also between 64,000 with displaced women in sierra leone have experienced some kind of sexual violence. and also, of course, protests in egypt's tahrir square. we've seen not just revolution of late but rape. over and over again. we heard about one recent example firsthand.
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>> it was organized. it was politically motivated. we can tell that very positively because all the attacks were in the same pattern, the very same pattern. they said the same words. they acted the same way. it was even most of them were in the very same spot, you know. so we have no doubt that these attacks were organized and were politically motivated. >> so why over and over again is there so little accountability? joining me is zana bangori. it's an important position and i'm so glad to see this particular movement gaining momentum. an honor to have you here. for those 50,000 victims potentially according to some of the higher counts in the bosnian war, only 12 cases of rape were
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actually prosecuted in the end. why do you think it's such a hard crime to generate accountability for? >> i think first and foremost, there's a culture of denial and a culture of silence. every country you go to, you find these extremely difficult for governments. in the case of bosnia, i think we have a difficult challenge because the parties to the conflicts became the political leaders. so there was no mention of sexual violence in the peace treaty, peace agreement negotiation. completely left out. so there was no instrument or mechanism created for accountability. and i think that's one of the most difficult in the case of bosnia. each case is different and unique. most countries it's not a crime. >> and the yugoslav war crimes tribunal was the first to actually prosecute rape as a crime against humanity. do you think there need to be similar tribunals for south sudan? syria? >> i think the u.n. has done extremely well with various resolutions to make it a peace
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and security -- international peace and security issue. they've created a group of legal framework. the challenge we have is in country, we need to work with governments to take the responsibility to be able to make sure that they prosecute perpetrator. you cannot take everybody out of each country. but the laws have to be enacted in the countries. the government have to take ownership and responsibility because it's their citizen. and that's what we are working on. that's what we are all seeing. >> i guess that's why there is so much skepticism and so much hope around a summit like this last one we were telling you about. there are so many summits with so many promises. what makes this one any different? why is there hope that this will be enforced? >> i think for the first time we're bringing all the parties together. there were generals from different countries. there were ministers of defense. there were ngos and governments. i think each person has a responsibility, each group. and it is important that they understand their responsibility and take action. at the end of the day, as i
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said, we have to put pressures on the government to take up the responsibility. like i tell you in the case, over 1250 women. they did not have the government and it was -- today i can tell you within the last 18 months there's been 189 prosecution. the government has given the command -- and we have actually seen rape drops within the military by 50%. because we made sure to pass the rights laws. we have judicially involved. we have the police minister of defense in london. for the first time, they all know we made a lot of mistake but we're making a commitment. we're going to work with each other and try to take the necessary action that's needed. >> so for the 1st time we're seeing some of the worst actors on this maybe actually come around to some promising steps. zana, really appreciate your stance on this. this is an issue we'll be
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screen savers? actually, some of the values they're talking about may surprise you. the new data paints a picture of millennials that are conservative investors, less inclined to take fiscal risks. could that set up wall street and corporate america? you named this your number-one underreported story in our last competition. i sat down with alexis goldstein, a former morgan stanley employee turned occupy wall street activist. i asked her if qualities of the millennials are distinctive to this one. >> i think it's a little bit of both. in the '60s, the people who were the hippies became the yuppies. i think young people are almost always more idealistic than older people in terms of a generational theme, but the demographics of the country are changing. there's more lbgt people.
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there's a slight tilt for this generation. >> that topic was our most recent winner of this underreported competition we have running at all times so you can give us your thoughts about what's being left out of the media's radar. we're keeping it going after this too. submit your ideas on twitter, facebook. just use #rfdunder and we'll report out the next winner. that wraps things up for today. thanks for joining me. now time for the reed report with joy reed. pleasure to see you. >> i'll look slightly different after the break, a little tease for those of you at home. the show before the show. right. happy monday, ronan. good to see you. next up, raised stakes in violence-plagued iraq creates strange bedfellows the humanitarian crisis gets increasingly desperate as more and more undocumented children pour across the border. and seattle workers win their fight for 15 bucks an hour.
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good afternoon. i'm joy reid. this is "the reid report." islamic militants seized control of more iraqi cities and captured the country's most senior military official. >> this could perhaps be the most decisive week in iraq's history. >> battle for baghdad may be on the horizon. >> al qaeda is on the march. >> allah akbar! >> there are a whole lot of forces at play here. >> large-scale military operation that could be backed by the united states military and iranian special forces. >> that's what makes it look more complicated than just these are bad guys and you react. >> a live report on what's happening on the ground in iraq. plus, the surge of
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undocumented minors moving across the border begins to impact more states but a solution is not yet in sight. and i'll speak to seattle mayor ed murray on how his city game the first to raise the minimum wage to $15. first, president obama is en route to washington at this hour. with policy and political e leelts awaiting a decision on thousand administration plans to address the growing violence in iraq. today another city fell in the fwhort the reports that the sunni-led group also captured a senior military official intel afar. this comes a day after the islamic state of iraq and isis claimed that it executed about 1,700 captured iraqi soldiers in tikrit. nbc news has not awe thent kalted those numbers, but baghdad's government tells nbc it does believe that some kind of massacre did take place. if the claim is true it would be one of the most brutal single episodes in what has largely been a sectarian stre