tv The Ed Show MSNBC June 16, 2014 2:00pm-3:01pm PDT
>> if baghdad falls, if the central government falls, a disaster awaits us of monumental proportions. >> we're not going to allow ourselves to be dragged back into a situation. >> the seeds of 9/11 are being planted all over iraq and syria. >> this is the greatest threat national security threat since 9/11. >> also unknown unknowns. >> bad things happen as a result of inaction. >> you don't have to believe me. this is what they are telling you they are going to do. >> fool me once, shame on -- shame on you. you can't get fooled again. >> good to have you with us tonight. thanks for watching. here we go again. america got fooled once by going to war in iraq. republicans are now trying to fool us again. they are once again beating the
drum for war in iraq. we have to do something and it's got to be big. this is just another opportunity for the conservatives to tarnish president obama anyway they can. now, let's not get amnesia, folks. it's been 11 years since america saw this scene play out on their television sets. we were told the invasion of iraq would be quick and painless. we would be treated as liberators, iraqi oil would pay for all of this warfare. america was lied to by george w. bush and his administration, intelligence was cooked and iraq war ended up being one of the biggest mistakes in american history. are we ready to relive this? we go on round two? the iraq war could end up costing american taxpayers $4 trillion. by the time we finish supporting soldiers who fought in the war. over 32,000 u.s. troops were injured in over 4,000 american
soldiers were lost. 11 years later, and iraq is still what? struggling. is that obama's fault? is that our fault? can they not fight for themselves? iraq is still struggling because a guy named maliki, he's a new dictator. he has not been inclusive and he is the root of the problem but conservatives won't tell you that. the militant group isis has taken control of cities throughout iraq, baghdad is still under control of the iraqi government. but this has got civil war written all over it. is it our fight again? this has republicans in the united states doing what they do so well, they are trashing president obama and calling for military action in iraq. michigan congressman mike rogers seems to be warming up for his talk radio career and scaring america about another attack. >> this is an al qaeda inspired group that certainly has al qaeda ties that now has the
capability to tap people with western passports to send them back to europe and the united states for terrorist activity. that's a problem for us. >> south carolina senator lindsey graham wants to return back to iraq by scaring americas. >> why spend one more dollar or risk one more life? >> because iraq and syria combined are going to be the staging area for the next 9/11 if we don't do something about it. the number of people that could guy in die in this country from getting this wrong is going to be far greater than 4,000 the they are getting weapons they didn't have before. the economic chaos to the world is going to be far greater than -- and money we spend in saving iraq. this is another 9/11 in the making. the fbi director has warned us in congress that syria and iraq present a direct threat to our homeland. you've got foreign fighters from america, western europe occupying this battle space. they are operating with impun y impunity.
>> here we go again. this is nothing more than 2003 mushroom cloud talk coming from senator graham. these dirty scare tactics from republicans are nothing new. it's the same strategy they used to get us in iraq in 2003. >> there is no doubt that saddam hussein now has weapons of mass destruction, there is no doubt he is amassing them to use against our friends against our allies and against us. >> the united states knows about iraq's weapons of mass destruction as well as iraq's involvement in terrorism, which is also the subject of resolution 1441 and other earlier resolutions. >> the problem here is that there will always be some uncertainty about how quickly he can acquire nuclear weapons but we don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud. >> here we go. but you see, lindsey graham says they have new weapons. i want to hear the president say that. i want to hear someone who's got
some skin in the game to say that. every american should remember those lies while lindsey graham is out there fear mongering again. graham also wasted no time slamming president obama. >> we were well on our way, the lack of a residual force and stubborn headed president we have who thinks he knows better than everybody else, who withdrew troops and exposed this country to the inevitable needs to change his policies quickly. if he does, we can still save this. >> stubborn headed. >> stubborn headed, deinclusilu detached president. that's the last thing i'm going to say. >> you're stubborn and pig headed and detached, all of that, of course, maliki, he has no responsibility in any of this, does he, senator graham? this has all been president obama. let me tell you something, maliki is no doctor of
democracy. he has not been inclusive. president obama is not delusional or ahe detached. republican criticism is rooted in the hatred for president obama and there's a lot in south carolina. the commander in chief is taking time and going through all options. this is not shoot from the hip action. we could have used president obama's resolve back in 2003 before jumping into a war of choice. president obama has no plans to rush your son and daughter back into action in iraq. the president made it clear that there will be no troops on the ground but left the possibility open for military action. >> we will not be sending u.s. troops back into combat in iraq. but i have asked my national security team to prepare a range of other options that could help support iraq security forces and i'll be reviewing those options in the days ahead. >> so, these options, senator
graham, if president obama takes out these new weapons you're talking about, would that be a good option? no, the neocons want international intervention. they want troops on the ground. we need to learn from history. this country needs to make a calculated and academic decision that will bring us better results this time around. i suppose that diplomacy is totally out of the question at this point for the conservatives and maliki has not been an honest broker. he has not been inclusive. i don't hear republicans saying that. he has excluded the sunni and been harsh on the farthest bathest members and this has opened the door for isis to get willing partners because they don't like a new dictator. he has not been a doctor of democracy. remember all of the purple thumbs up in the air years ago? where's all that? the iraqi people need to step up and support their government and fight for themselves before the american people are going to
move on this. by the way, anybody check with the american people on more intervention in iraq? the reason why we didn't leave troops behind is because president obama could not get the agreement with maliki. maliki came to congress and said bush signed the exit agreement and you're going to live by it. he also would not give our soldiers immunity on the ground. god forbid there's a shooting match and our soldiers are held up in an iraqi court going through a judicial system. no, president obama wasn't going to go along with that. maliki wouldn't go along with it either and now we have no agreement. the conservatives think it's easy to cut a deal with these folks. we won't be a target anymore. more troopsz and more money and more treasure from the american familiar lies across this count that's the key, get your cell phones out. i want to know what you think. tonight's question, are you prepared to send your kid to
iraq? text a for yes, b for no. i'll be podcasting about this again tomorrow. we'll bring you results later on in the show. for more, let me bring in jim mcdermott of washington. jim, good to have you with us tonight. you were there when the vote took place years ago to go into iraq. why do i feel like we're seeing an instant replay from republicans on this? i want your nouts on what's unfolding. >> well, ed, is really is a replay exactly as you've said it. the same propaganda being pushed on us now was pushed on us then. it was a mistake then. we lost 4,000 people. lots and lots of injured people. mayhem all over the country, a terrible mess. we installed a dictator named maliki. now the people in iraq told me when i was over there before that started, this is between
arabs and persians. you people in the united states don't understand. we've been fighting the iranians for hundreds of years. when you put maliki in with his ties to take tehran. you have given iraq to the iranians. and the reason maliki wouldn't sign the status agreement with the united states was the iranians did not want 10,000 american troops stationed in baghdad. we were lucky. the president dodged a bullet in the fact that he brought those people home. otherwise right now they would be right in the middle of it and we wouldn't now which side to help. should we help the iranians who are having negotiations on nuclear weapons or should we help the saudis and the sunnis? what should we do? the president has no good options at this point. the only good option is to say, i'm going to do nothing if the congress wants to do something, let them take a vote and order
me to. if i were the president -- i would not move without a vote of the congress on any kind of strike in iraq. >> republicans are calling the president delusional and detached. your response to that? >> he's absolutely hard headed, clear thinking. this is the first time we've had somebody sitting there in the midst of this who is not jumping and going for all of the propaganda. the fact is that his options are very limited. if he brought in air strikes, where would you strike them? there's -- they are all mixed in together now. there's no place, no good target. the drones, we don't have good intelligence to go after so-called leadership. there are no good options. and the president is sitting there looking at them and carefully evaluating what the military is bringing to him and not going for it. he is absolutely right. >> congressman, lindsey graham
is saying that this is the staging ground for the next 9/11. is that fear mongering or is that the truth? >> that's fear mongering. it has -- may have some pieces of truth in it that we've created an area of turmoil in which these kinds of things are going to spring. but we will only make it worse by getting in there and trying to kill this one and kill that one. we're going to kill a lot of collateral damage as we did in iraq. we'll make more and more people angry at us and we simply cannot solve these things with military power. it's going to take diplomacy. maliki has to go and assad has to go. how we get that to happen? we've got to get the russians and iranians and everybody together. if we want peace in the area, that's the only way it's going to occur. otherwise you're going to have all of these people killing one another and we'll look like fools. we've already spent trillions of dollars in this war. we do not need to spend anymore.
>> congressman, i appreciate your time here on this. for more, let me bring in general wesley clark, former nato commander and general, great to have you with us tonight. what role do you think -- what role does maliki play for the conditions in iraq as you give analysis to this? >> i think maliki is responsible for a lot of strive and abused the sunni population, leadership. he's targeted them. he is an awe thor taken yan leader. i agree with a lot of what congressman mcdermott had to say and things you said early on. i see this a little differently. i do think there is a real threat here. i don't think we want to let isis run ram pant. and i don't think we want iran in there on the ground in iraq. i think this is one of these points in history where if the
united states is able to take modest military action, it could have a significant benefit. and so i've felt as i watched this situation emerge, that if we put in the right kind of liaison with the iraqi leadership and use the special forces assets that we have available, that we could bring in the right kind of combat power, get the intelligence we need and have a decisive impact militarily. now the military impact is less important than the diplomatic impact. a u.s. power and resolve in this crisis has a big impact -- should have a big impact on mali maliki. it's a job of our diplomats and president to take that leverage and use it. it should also have an impact on iran. as i watch the iranian nuclear talks i sometimes get the impression iranians think they are the most powerful force in
the region or now that the united states no longer has boots on the ground, they are the most powerful force in the region. that's a mistake. we don't want that to happen. you know, ed, the hardest of all military operations is to withdraw on the battlefield under pressure. the united states has done that in iraq. we're doing it in afghanistan. and we have to be very careful because we're a global power, we're the most powerful country in the world. do have global interests. by the way, we have to watch very carefully the price of oil because while some people might tell you even if isis took over they would be pumping oil like mad, they might. but any problem with that oil market is going to impact directly on the american economy. and it's just an unfortunate fact of life. i saw one of your viewers tweeted, let's get alternative energy. you bet. we need it. but right now, we don't have the ability to cut the cord to opec. so --
>> general -- >> we're in some risk here. >> we could not get an agreement with maliki because he would not give american forces immunity and the president did not want to put american troops in that untenable legal position if violence had broken out. if americans troops had not been withdrawn, would there be a different scenario playing out right now as you see it? >> no, i don't think so. i think that first of all i wouldn't have put american troops there woul legal immunity. you can't do that. the president did exactly the right thing. maliki wasn't willing to listen. maybe now he's more willing to listen. and if he isn't, shame on him because he's going to expose that region to a great deal more hardship. but i believe this is a time where military power can throw a lot of diplomatic leverage to the united states and we shouldn't be afraid to use that diplomatic leverage. >> okay.
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any attempt to help the children. according to the right talk, you have obama invited 60,000 hispanic teenagers from places like guatemala and el salvador to come to america and live with no strings attached. the truth is there are many strings attached. one tea party site tells us if you look at this, the lunacy that is out there, obama invited global communists to send undocumented teenagers across our borders so they can continue the lives as criminals and possibly terrorists. so that's what the legal system is up against. the big media push that's taken place. fox news, of course, has lou dobbs types accusing obama of causing the surge. the truth is obama is simply trying to put in place a legal system that allows the cases to be evaluated one at a time. but the talk is that the very
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the way this is being spun by the right is that obama has lost control of what's going on here. >> sure. >> the obama has completely lost control and he's inviting teenage immigrants across the border. listen, we heard this same kind of scare with a cuban boat lift. you remember the mario boat lift, 125,000 immigrants came from cuba. the scare was they were all criminals. the scare was that they are all from mental institutions. but when they dug down and see what the truth was, it was all scare. less than 2% had any connections to mental institutions. the hatchet job here is to create an atmosphere to make it impossible for obama to do this with me plan. how can they claim the biggest o poent enlt when the party has
been saying it's a dead issue since the beginning of the year. they are afraid of immigration reform because what it's going to do to labor and at the poll and how this whole thing is going to change in our election process because let's face it, they know republicans aren't going to offer them anything. they know republicans aren't going to give them up any kind of security or future in this country. they've opposed to it. where does that leave us when it comes to immigration reform? is this just another story to muddy up the waters and keep the republicans from doing anything? >> it leaves us with people like schumer saying please, republicans, just put something on the table. because without something on the table, ed, you have no structure. now, look, the republicans are using excuses like saying well the boston bomber was an immigrant, therefore we can't do anything about it. the latest -- the latest talk has been gee whiz, obama allowed -- released five taliban connected people from guantanamo and we're not going to take any action on immigration because of
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welcome back. as the situation in iraq involved, president obama weighs the options for u.s. response. the bush era architects of war are resurfacing to give us their take. take neocon cheer leader bill cristal for example. >> it's a disaster unfortunately made more possible, more likely by our ridiculous withdrawal from iraq in 2011. president obama said two days before election day in 2012 al
qaeda is on the path to defeat and war in iraq is over. how does it look today. >> neither is true and it's a disaster for our country. >> since we're quoting people, this is all president obama's fault, he has zero credibility on the topic. remember when he made this prediction. >> george bush is not fighting this like vietnam, we don't need to refight the whole -- >> that's the danger -- >> it's not going to happen. this is going to be a two-month war not a year-war. >> two-month war. we're always looking for one of them, aren't we? i guess you could call him an expert in disasters. let's not forget paul wolfowitz, remember him, who served in the bush administration from 2001 to 2005 as deputy secretary of defense. >> look, it's a complicated situation. you don't just come up with we're going to bomb this or do
that. most importantly in syria where u.s. policy and absence over the last three years has sent a signal of lack of seriousness throughout the region, i would do something in syria. >> just start another conflict, right? that's rich coming from wolfowitz considering how we got involved with iraq in the first place. wolfowitz tried to sell the saddam has wmds tale long after we had intelligence saying otherwise. ten years after the start of the war, wolfowitz publicly conceded that the series of blunders by the bush administration plagued iraq into a cycle of violence that really spiraled out of control. these people don't deserve a platform to parrot old lies, do they? they sh not be treated as experts because they aren't. not only did they help craft the iraq war but they were flat out wrong and deceptive every single step of the way. joining me now on our rapid
response panel, buy byron dorgan who held countless hearings on hill when it came to fraud, misuse of funds, abuse across the board. no doubt about it, great to have both of you with us tonight. senator, you first, this is like old home week all of this conversation we're having about iraq right now. is it possible that we could end up right back where we were? your thoughts. >> well, it reminds me of 10 or 11 years ago being in literally dozens of top secret briefings and hearings on the hill. literally dozens of top secret briefings in which we now know that we were told things that were patently false. we went to war in iraq under false pretenses. the crowd you were just quoting, that is a crowd that said this
is going to be a slam dunk, right? the same breathless energy by the same people is to say let's send american troops right back into the middle of a civil war again. and i'm thankful that this president has said you know what, we're going to slow down and take a deep breath and think through this and we're not going to make the kind of judgment you want us to make to get back into a war in iraq. >> senator, how do you -- you know, gather these comments from lindsey graham who says this is the staging for the next 9/11, the unfolding of iraq? what's your response to that? >> they have no credibility. those who are saying these things have no credibility. we've heard it all before. and we've experienced the fact that they don't know what they are talking about. you know, again, we went to war in iraq under false pretenses. and you know, after 10 or 11 years we've spent 17 to $20 billion training and equipping
the iraqi military, a military that it appears won't even defend its own country these days and it has a leader that is in desperate trouble and doesn't seem to know how to govern and creates divisions in his own country. we're going to send american troops back thinking after 11 years we're going to solve that problem. i don't think so. and by the way, when we talk about democracy, what about our democracy? i think the american people have a bellyful of wars in countries like iraq in which a lot of countries have tried and failed and we have after 11 years been able to withdraw our troops and good for the president for doing that. >> well, the election, that was the benchmark -- foundation of his campaign that he would get us out of wars. goldy, the media landscape was much different when we entered this conflict 11 years ago. there was no msnbc giving the voices an opportunity to speak
across this country in dissent. they came later after the war started the run-up was a cheerleading squad and "huffington post" wasn't around and social media wasn't around. how is this going to play out with the american people? >> i think the difference is that you point out in terms of our media framework in terms of what this landscape looks like will make a difference. i mean back then we had fewer platforms on which to speak. we had fewer ways to vet the information coming out of capitol hill. i think this time around, we've got the pressure of social media quite frankly. there are a number of very strong people in terms of foreign policy on social media vetting information as it comes. and we can kind of see it in real time. i think we're dealing with a different landscape. will that landscape be powerful enough force to help us craft and shape a solution that we help in terms of helping to stabilize and in terms of maybe
we put together a partnership with iran. maybe not. but we've got to really sort of understand that this is not -- we can't take american values and sort of drop them off in the middle east. we can't strip people of their agency. this new president in iraq has some responsibilities here that maybe we help him to live up to but at the end of the day, the responsibilities truly belong to him. am i for boots on the ground? only if wolfowitz and crystal have them on. maybe we support in other ways in terms of helping the region come together around this. no one benefits from an isis backed government that is capable of terrorism both in the region and abroad and may hit american interests. we do have to craft a meaningful solution. i think this new media landscape could be a part of that. >> goldie, do you think -- go ahead senator. >> let me just say, i'm not suggesting that what fwoez on in the rest of the world is none of our business.
you know, diplomacy should not be considered a soft weapon. diplomacy is very important here. let me make one other point. what happened 10 and 11 years ago is not going to happen now because that happened not only were we deceived with bad information to go to war but it was also the case that happened in the shadow of 9/11. and you could do things in the shadow of that horror of 9/11 that i think you cannot do 10 and 11 years later. >> i agree with that. >> very profound point. goldie is there any military action you think the people would go along with president obama on? >> i don't think that we have a stomach for -- we lost 4,000 american lives in a war that should have never been waged. so i don't think that we have a stomach for boots on the ground in iraq or any place else right now. but i do think that we've got to put the strong arm of diplomacy out there that there are economic means to which we can pursue. but there may come a day when we support militarily, at least through air strikes but that
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what -- infrastructure, education, and social programs. the budget meets governor brown's demands for a rainy day fund and paying down debt. it allocates some of the surplus to programs benefitting lower income californians. >> there is a lot to be proud of in this budget. a huge investment in early childhood education, a commitment for full day preschool for all low income 4-year-olds with at least one working parent. more money for mental health. >> democratic lawmakers allowed brown to tap the so-called cap and trade funds for california's high speed rail project. all good. the budget directs $250 million from that fund to california's $68 billion bullet train. some republicans in the state were not supportive of the budget. they said their focus would have been less on new programs and more on being fiscally
responsible. isn't it about jobs? david k. johnson, tax specialist and columnist joins us tonight on "the ed show." good to have you with us. should the federal government follow california's lead by investing in more infrastructure and social programs? at one time they were the world's seventh largest economy. i don't know where they are now. they are certainly doing something few states are doing. >> well, california is eighth now, ed. when jerry brown was with elected three years ago and said, i'm going to raise taxes on people at the to and poor people are going to share in the burdens as well. there were all these news stories that california's economy is just going to collapse, fall apart, everyone's going to leave the state who has a high income.
packed california has become. >> well, we're seeing certain states do certain pretty aggressive things. they all happen to be controlled by democrats. >> right. >> the budget was passed on party lines. is california allocating money to the right things? are these things that will create jobs? >> they are putting a lot of money in infrastructure which is desperately needed. we have been using up t infrast. with less than five months before the 2014 midterm elections, the republican party is falling apart. need proof? just ask soon to be former congressman eric cantor. >> i'm hopeful that i will be able to do something about bridging this divide. there is a divide within our party. >> admitting there is a problem, it's a good first step. but check out what rnc chairman reince priebus had to say about a half hour later. >> eric cantor got beat. lindsey graham won. how divided is the republican party right now? >> i don't think it's divided at all. >> it's not divided at