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they had to bring in the red skins to prove they did murder a native american. so genocide and racism is definitely connected with this name. >> well put. appreciate the history and a lot of people keeping an eye on how this could change, especially after the patent and trademark ruling. brian gets tonight's last word. thank you very much. you can find me on facebook at and "chris hayes" starts right now. good evening. from new york i'm chris hayes. president obama has just wrapped up a meeting with congressional leaders on how to respond to the deepening chaos in iraq. in the hour-long session in the oval office, lawmakers reportedly pressured the president to force iraq prime minister nuri al maliki to step down over what they see as his failure to reign in the
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sectarian strife. as isis militants strengthened their control today over the nation's largest oil refinery, the maliki government requested u.s. air sport in the form of surveillance and drone strikes. martin dempsey told a congressional panel that air strikes might be easier said than done given the unclear intelligence picture on the ground. as we've been talking about the crisis in iraq over the past couple of weeks, it has struck me that as a country, we still haven't worked through the ramifications of our involvement there in the past decade, haven't had a full truth and reconciliation for the crime that was the iraq war. we had a couple of small accountability moments including the mid terms in 2006 and the presidential election in 2008. now here we are, 11 years after the war started, having what amounts to the first real public reckoning with the full horror of what we unleashed, who is responsible for it and how we
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should move forward. as we watched how those who advocated for war respond, there is more death than one can reasonably internalize. some people we're seeing have learned the lessons of history. hillary clinton, who struggled to explain her vote for the iraq war during the 2008 campaign has now admitted it was plainly a mistake. >> and i wanted to make clear in this book, especially in the context of my thinking about what i would recommend to president obama concerning additional troops in afghanistan that i did get it wrong in iraq, and it was a mistake. >> glen beck, generally no fan of the left just came out and said this. >> they said we couldn't force freedom on people. you know what? let me lead with my mistakes. you're right.
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liberals, you were right. we shouldn't have. >> liberals, you were right. tom friedman who once went on television and told iraqis "suck on this," he said now is not the time to invade iraq. even john bolton thinks we should stay out of it. and then there are the dead enders, to borrow a phrase, the people who dealt with the sheer magnitude by simply doubling down, their method is to scream even louder they are right because to allow a little truth to work piets way in would annihilatetheir sense of the world and those in it. at the top of this list when it comes to the iraq debacle was of course this man and his daughter. >> al qaeda, a resurgent establishing new safe havens
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across the middle east, including an iraq where president obama withdrew all american forces with no stay-behind agreement. >> former vice president cheney and his daughter liz. they wrote a wall street journal op-ed condemning president obama approach to iraq. it's unclear whether they meant it to be a self-parody. it includes lines like this "rarely has a president been so wrong about so much about so many." it seems like a just society would have done something formal to sanction a person for what he did but in the absence of that, we can take comfort in the fact that this man is speaking from a mountainside in a funny hat rather than from the oval office at the president's side. it's a man whose family name has been so tarnished, discredited, hi he couldn't get his own daughter through a primary
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campaign in his own state. of course no accounting for the psycho drama, would be complete without this man, who to his credit has seen fit to offer no more wisdom, dispense no more advice and trying to spend his days in texas painting his soul clean. >> it is partly delayed discussion we haven't been having for a dodd years about the sides people took then. you're also right to give credit to former president george w. bush for the dignified silence he's had during this time and discredit to former vice
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president cheney. it's not so much that he's criticizing his successors. after all, al gore was criticizing the decision to go into iraq and in 2002, but the tone he's had and lack of self-awareness is really quite something. i think there is also the question of bookers on our shows bringing in repeatedly people like paul bremer and paul wol wolfowitz who were as responsible for what happened. >> a strange kind of metadebate has erupted. everything that's happening there, it's hard to find good silver linings. the conversation politically here about who has standing in this debate, and they're people making the argument you can't constrain the boundaries of debate, people lose and people might have been wrong once before, they might be right again, what do you say to that? >> i have some experience with this? i put out a fairly ill
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considered tweet a few days ago, saying, how about this -- if you stump for the war, maybe we don't need your advice now. oh, you're going to lock up people that disagree. that's not my point. my point is, if you were really grossly in error on this particular topic, on the likely consequences of military operations in this country, at least you should have a little bit of deference or reticence in saying, i was wrong then. i think in the last couple days, there's been some kind of shock awareness of why we are listening to kristol, wolfowitz and bremmer opine on what to do in iraq. >> the structure of the arguments around this right now, very much look like the structure of the arguments back then, in that there is this kind of temptation to advocate some immediate sort of intervention to deal with what is seen as an immediate problem, in this case, it's a bad situation in iraq. i don't think there's anyone who thinks that's not the case. without asking the then what
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question and the then what question is the question that was failed to ask the first time around, called the 50 first states about what the iraq occupation might look like. do you think we've gotten better as a society at asking that question? >> i think there is some sobering effect to the last dozen years and people looking at iraq now looking at afghanistan and saying, for what have we lost these lives, sacrificed all the money and international standing and the torture and all the rest, we maybe have been forced into some sort of that, i think also, it is as you well know from this show and the business of public opinion, there really is almost an irresistible compulsion, here is a problem. if the answer is, there isn't really any good solution, or if there's a solution, it's not one that our cruise missiles and drones are likely to solve, to produce, and since we are so much better than the military aspect than almost anything else, it is hard to break that
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circuit, say here's a problem, let's solve it with the tool that we have. >> i was not working in cable news in 2003, i see how the images that we show are the horrifying images of isis. they're riding in with these black flags. terrifying, right? and there's a certain kind of frenetic excitement around the crisis and violence that even in a non-ideological sense you wonder if that lays the groundwork for people to be thinking in terms of military intervention as the solution. >> and i think you're right, you've written about this, and there is the immediacy and the permanent crisis mode of cable tv where you think people are suffering around the world, we have to do something. and the next stage of what will it mean if we take this step, is that going to make a difference a week from now, a month from now, there's a laudable part of this human desire to do something, in addition to sort of the crowd frenzy part, and the fact that as americans in the 21st century, we know we have a military, that's the main
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thing we have, we're tempted to use it, maybe we're seeing some resistance on what's happened over the past dozen years. >> thank you. >> thank you, chris. >> the greatest and most active dead end, there is john mccain whose whole m.o. is that he's never learned anything. every crisis is proof positive and demands the same aggressive response. there is one issue where mccain has changed his mind. the arizona senator used to support closing guantanamo. >> i believe we should close guantanamo and work with our allies. and work with our allies to forge a new international understanding on the expo -- on the disposition of dangerous detainees under our control. >> now in an apparent amazing reversal, he thinks that's where we should send abu khatallah, the alleged ring leader of the
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consulate in benz -- benghazi that killed four americans. he was charged in criminal court, the obama administration announced that once u.s. officials -- joining me now, retired air force colonel morris davis. and colonel davis, do you think it's a good idea to send him to guantanamo? >> it's a terrible idea. the worst thing we could do, i think the president made a wise decision here bringing him to the u.s., trying him in federal court, and let's close this chapter at guantanamo and put it behind us. >> if we were to bring him to guantanamo as opposed to trying him in federal court, my understanding is given the legal ambiguity about the legal detainees, what you want to see is this man pay the price, civilian trial is much more likely to assure that in a speedy fashion than is the ro
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morass that is guantanamo. >> back in september of 2006, there were 14 men transferred from the cia to guantanamo, of those 14 men, there's one that's been convicted and sentenced, and that was ahmed gallani. the other 13 men that got off the plane with him that day are still in legal limbo at guantanamo. khalid sheikh mohammed is in hearings this week, there's still no trial date. i believe if it goes to guantanamo, it could be sometime next decade. >> do you sense backsliding? do you support closing guantanamo? >> definitely, senator mccain, it's disappointing, i worked with him a bit when i was chief prosecutor, and both he and lindsey graham pushed back against the bush administration on enhanced interrogation and with the second rate proceedings at guantanamo when that was not
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popular to do, i have a lot of respect for both of them. it was a year ago senator mccain and senator feinstein said it's in our national interest to close guantanamo. that was a year ago, things haven't gotten better over the past year. it just makes no sense. >> can you square that belief by senator mccain that it's in our interest to close guantanamo with the idea that we should bring a new detainee to guantanamo? >> no. it's been a disaster. our allies have condemned guantanamo. we've had some progress over the last few years, beginning the process of closing it down. at this point to add to the population by taking khatallah there makes no sense. it accomplishes nothing. we picked guantanamo because
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there were some who thought it was outside the reach of the law, to them, it was the perfect place to take people to be exploited for intelligence. that's back when you had the memo that said anything short of death was acceptable. >> organ failure, painful organ failure. >> right, all that's changed. guantanamo, it turned out was not a law free zone. they have a right to an attorney and a right to habeas corpus in federal court. there's really nothing to be gained by taking khatallah to guantanamo other than making some political point to try to paint the president as weak. there's nothing you can do at guantanamo that you can't do on board a ship or on u.s. soil. >> as former prosecutor there, we saw people angry about the release of the five taliban figures in the swap for bowe bergdahl, what is the likelihood, do you think of people returning to battle, and what do you say to people that are scared of that? >> well, certainly over the past 12 years there's been a lot of pandering to fear and a lot of profit made off of fear mongering. you can't guarantee that no one is going to return to do bad things.
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i mean, if we're waiting for the risk to be reduced to zero we'll never get there. i think we got to take some calculated risks to mitigate the potential for harm. i think the president has done that. i think it was a good move to send the five back and get bowe bergdahl back home. >> retired air force colonel morris davis, thank you. >> sure. coming up, right before the super bowl this ad was released. >> rancher, teacher, doctor, seminole, seneca, mohawk, native americans call themselves many things. the one thing they don't. >> well, today, the u.s. patent and trademark office cancelled the trademark for that helmet. what does it actually mean? we'll talk about it next. you fm the healthcare you deserve. at humana, we believe if healthcare changes,
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there's a bombshell announcement today from the u.s. patent and trademark office, which is not generally a government agency associated with big bombshell announcements. this one was a big one. the trademark registration for the washington redskins has been cancelled. federal law protects trademarks so long as they are not deemed
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to be disparaging. and guess what? the u.s. patent and trademark office found a preponderance of evidence that native americans found the nickname disparaging. if it's disparaging now, was it disparaging in 1967 when the team first registered its name? if so, they should have never been given a trademark in the first place. that doesn't mean the team name will disappear. just like the last time this happened in 1999, when the same office found the trademark was not valid, the team will likely appeal the ruling. in the meantime, they'll be able to continue exclusively using the trademark, the name. when that took place, it didn't take place amid a storm of outrage. in recent months, president obama and himself have called the team to change its name about we'll never change the name, it's that simple, never, you can use caps. when a federal body rules that
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your nickname is disparaging to a great number of people, senator harry reid may be on to something. >> there's no trademark any more for the redskins. daniel snyder may be the last person in the world to realize this, but it's just a matter of time until he's forced to do the right thing and change the name. >> joining me now, congressman -- congresswoman eleanor holmes, a congresswoman for the district of columbia. your reaction to today's rule something. -- ruling. >> the lawyer in me said you shouldn't be surprised, because a snyder, dan snyder has tried to trademark the name four separate times since, and four times this patent and trademark office said that this word was disparaging. how many times does he need to hear it? by the way, the patent and trademark office found in a prior case that it was disparaging. it was not overturned on the
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courts on the merits, it was -- the courts essentially didn't reach the merits. >> that's right. >> there was a technicality as to who the plaintiffs were. this time the petitioners are the right petitioners. so he's going to go down in flames, and why do so over a racial slur? >> this is an important point. the last time it was thrown out, it was appealed. lawyers went out, they found a younger crop of people that they think will pass that same this threshold. if they get to the merits, the lawyer in you says they have no chance. >> no chance. >> and the reason i say so, is that the courts have to give almost complete deference to the fact finder here, to the expert agency. they can't just say, we don't like what you found. >> that's right. >> i don't know what kind of lawyers dan snyder has and i don't know what kind of a leader
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that the nfl has, that he hasn't gone to the other team owners, that he hasn't gone to fedex and said help us to get dan to understand this is going nowhere and all of us are now being painted and are implicated. >> this shows you how long the offensiveness of the word -- >> i'm sorry, this is chris. greg is your producers. >> yes, that's okay. edward bennett williams who is former redskins owner in 1972 saying, yesterday i met with the leaders who are objecting to the continuing use of the name redskins. he's writing to the current owner, this is not a secret. why do you think it's gained the kind of groundswell that it's gained now? >> chris, it's because the native people have stepped up themselves to educate the country.
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they're at a severe disadvantage, only 3% of the country. they are all around the country. they're not like latinos and african-americans who are much larger groups. they wouldn't dare do this if any of those groups were involved. they can do it because native americans are spread all out. they have come together now, and they have raised the consciousness of all of us, look, all of us have used the name, the old name, because we didn't know any better. we know better now, and you have what has been spawned, chris, is a virtual movement. not only a native people but people of every conceivable background behind them now. he's losing. he's losing in the public and he's losing in the courts. >> you know, i agree, it seems absolutely inevitable. the question -- people on social media today were coming up with possible replacements for the name. is there -- do you have a favorite possible replacement? is the city of washington, engaged in the early stages of
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collective brain storming? >> you know, chris, there are people who engage in that name, that's the one thing i want to give him, the right to name his own team so long as he doesn't use a racial slur. >> that's right, keep it out of a racial slur, and the new name will be fine with you. >> tell me this, i thought this was a rich man who knew how to make money. can you imagine how much money he would make if he had a new name and all that paraphernalia had to be changed? >> that's right. >> why isn't he smiling to the bank and say, let it be. >> iphone comes out with a new version every year, it's a business model. congresswoman, thank you so much. >> oh, it's a pleasure. coming up, remember this guy? >> i hope they're home. oh, wow! you cats hit the jackpot. there's enough food here to feed a lion. >> that sock puppet is the mascot for the last tech bubble burst. now there's a new app that may be the next one. i will tell you what it is ahead.
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you ready? listen. just "yo" like that. it sends your friends the word yo in a robot voice. no other words are available. but it turns out, i couldn't believe this, my million dollar idea is already out there, and now i'm no longer joking, someone actually raised $1 million for it. >> the developer took eight hours to code. it's so simple apple rejected it from the app store the first time around because the quality assurance guys thought it was unfinished. >> so maybe this has some potential, i don't know. it seems pretty ridiculous on its face. an app that just says yo, and yet someone got a million dollars for it. of course, a million dollars is not all that much. facebook bought the texting app for $19 billion in february. which works out to about $350 million per employee, and $40 per user. snapchat turns down a $3 billion offer from facebook. and uber is now valued at $18.2
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billion. just to put that in perspective, at that valuation, uber is worth more than avis, hertz and sony. all this has people asking, pretty seriously, are we experiencing a massive tech bubble? investors be wary. if there is a tech bubble and it's ready to burst. how much damage could it cause? when and many other web based companies were falling victim to the last tech bubble, it helped drag the economy into recession. with an app that says yo, with that bringing in a million dollars -- this is dangerous, control room -- it's high time to figure out what is happening. this does seem to me like this
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is the thing we're going to write about five years ago ala when we talk about the tech bubble bursting. >> is this is where we say, you ran out of ideas, we're going to get the million dollar idea to anybody who walks in the door. can you come up with good talking points about it. it's a low latency communication app. it makes sending a message like one tap, versus 11 taps to send to yo, it's not the yo that's important, it's the fact that you can ping someone. >> i'm defending the concept that you can have an app that does one thing simply. the guy that came up with this app, someone asked him, can you make an app that will ping my assistant? and he did that. what if i can make this for everybody? >> here's the broader issue, right? the reason that there's a million available, there is so much money sloshing around the world of venture capital. i see it, people i know -- i see
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it in people i know, who got into app development, there is a lot of money. why is there so much money out there? >> nobody wants to get left out of the next big thing. somebody says, you know, if it costs me a million or two to get in on this, if i lose it, that's okay, i'm going to spread it around and maybe i'll hit one of these jackpots. >> but why is there so much money -- where does the money come from? i remember when the financial crisis happened around the housing, there was this planet money called the global pool of money. there was this glut of savings worldwide. there was all this money sloshing around and that was part of what was driving what ended up being the bubble. i wonder if there's something in miniature happening here, with the concentration of wealth in this country that there's so much capital. >> a handful of people that are using this to cherry pick their favorite projects. sometimes they're getting real -- a really good return on their investments. they get favorable terms, if you have a great idea like the yo
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app and somebody comes to you and gives you a million dollars for a chunk of it. they're getting a great app down the road. they're getting a bigger percentage than they deserve. >> am i wrong? i know there are millions of people around the world that use it, free messaging service. it's a great product. it's unclear to me how it's going to make money. how -- that's the other thing, that is the other thing about this that's similar to the tech bubble in 1999-2000, companies that had no clear strategy getting acquired or doing ipos for hundreds of millions or billions. >> i was around for that original dot com bubble. i think some companies have large things, build warehouses that cost a lot of money, this stuff is cheaper to put together. what's app i think i'm going to keep using that in the future. with yo we're going to be done by the end of the week, and everyone will have their million dollar laugh and move on. >> yeah, i think this is a one
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day story more than a one-week story. what is the way that someone gets that turned into real money? eyeballs equal revenue how? when? >> the real reason why what's app sold for so much, these bigger companies like facebook and google and like youtube, they want to get in on these before someone else snatches it up. in some cases, it's getting it before someone else gets it, and they'll figure out what to do with it later. >> it was basically buying the competition. messaging is important, these other people might displace you, so buy them before they can. >> for such a gigantic company, facebook has done a not very good job at messaging. instead of building a mobile messaging platform that worked well, they just bought the most popular one in the world. >> dan, yo. >> yo. coming up, an ugly event at the conservative heritage
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foundation has blown up on the internet. now people are questioning milbanks version of events, he'll be here with us next. and has something to say to the haters. >> yo!
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coming up, any time something like this gets said, you know what follows is going to light the internet on fire. >> it is time we take political correctness and throw it in the garbage where it belongs. >> we'll talk to someone who was at that event next. live healthy and take one a day men's 50+. a complete multivitamin with 7 antioxidants to support cell health. age? who cares. that's keeping you from the healthcare you deserve.
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when you look at all the lessons of history, most germans were peaceful, yet the nazis
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drove the agenda and as a result, 60 million people died, almost 14 million in concentration camps, 6 million were jews. the peaceful majority were irrelevant. >> you may wonder what provoked that comment. part of a tape, the benghazi coalition benghazi panel at the heritage foundation. dana milbank showed up for the event, wrote a column about some of the ugliness that occurred. a nine-minute clip of the event was also released and showed the reaction of the panel when an american university law student noted she did not see muslim representatives represented at the event. here's a bit more of that response. >> there are 1.2 billion muslims in the world today. of course not all of them are radicals. the majority of them are peaceful people. the radicals are estimated to be between 15% to 25% according to all intelligence services around the world. you're looking at 180 million to 300 million people dedicated to the destruction of western civilization. >> so are you an american?
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you're an american citizen. so as an american citizen, you sat in this room and instead of standing up and saying a question or asking something about our four americans that died, and what our government is doing to correct the problem, you stood there to make a point about peaceful muslims. i wish you brought ten with you to question about how we can hold our government responsible. it is time we take political correctness and throw it in the garbage where it belongs. >> the atmosphere in the room was worse than what's depicted there, though i have to say that video makes me really uncomfortabunco uncomfortable. when the clips started getting attention, some said it was misrepresented. frank gaffney is openly paranoid about muslim americans infiltrating our government. bridget gabriel has been named as one of the anti-muslim inner
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circle. fringe figures say that all muslims or a massive portion of them are violent extremists, who domestically constitute a column to bring down the west these voices increasingly in the conservative mainstream would if they were to say the same thing about jews or christians would never be tolerated. what was it about this that made you write that column? >> i had gone to the event to write something totally different. a guy that barely figured into the article. and things sort of took on a life of their own as i watched this sort of baiting going on throughout this hour-long thing, capped off at the end by -- not just what they were saying to this muslim law student who asked the question, but the taunting that ensued in the
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longstanding ovations that were given to that woman, gabrielle, whose clip you just played. >> what did this have to do with -- what is the benghazi -- what is this weird nether world of benghazi conferences? >> it was a little odd, and then the heritage foundation tried to say it wasn't their event, it was the benghazi accountability coalition. the program was on heritage letterhead and said the heritage foundation welcomes you to this event. i think what happened in the larger sense is that, you know, look, we just got the mastermind apparently of the benghazi attack. things are running a bit thin in terms of, what are we going to say next? are we going to still go on about susan rice's talking points? something new needs to be said. when you have a benghazi forum like this, it tends to go off
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into very odd directions. this is not at all the first thing like this i've witnessed. >> the key point to me here is that #benghazi as i describe it, which is distinct from the actual attack on the actual consulate that actually resulted in this horrific loss of life and four dead americans, the #benghazi is the swamp world of conspiracy theorys that's become its own iteration of vince foster. -- vince foster speculation, similar to what we saw during the clinton years. >> so you mentioned frank gaffney who was there on the panel, before the clip you played. he went into this long thing about how the president of the united states using words that should be on the web site of al
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qaeda. i'm not clear they have a public website, the president of the united states is funding jihadists and goes on about this disproved kennard about someone who worked for hillary clinton, having depersonalized ties with the muslim brotherhood. there are muslims working to get a ban on sharia law across the united states of america. really far out there stuff, this is what benghazi has become. >> this is being said at this panel. the huma abedean kennard is a despicable one, the idea that she is a double agent -- >> and was very tricky by marrying anthony weiner, a jew. >> that was part of her cover, of course. were you surprised at the push back that you had somehow defamed the defenseless heritage foundation? >> you're never surprised in this business. a lot of it came from the far right. the #benghazi crowd you mentioned.
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i said robert bergdahl looked like a muslim is he looks like a muslim, a, absolutely looked like a muslim. b, he talked in the language of the taliban and c, he thanked allah. i thought the appearance was totally inaprotoyit. i said it. i'll stand by it. >> bill, one of the occasions in which he judged the father of a freed american prisoner of war bowe bergdahl based on his experience. joining me is the director of the arab director of new york. all right. what is your reaction to the video that we played? >> i think it's just a snap chat of the islam phobia industry that is well and alive in this country and goes beyond that heritage foundation event. it was disgusting to watch the -- it was exactly what dana
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said, it was lopsided, ugly to treat any woman regardless of her faith is absolutely disrespectful and i think again, it goes back to how dare a muslim woman stand up for herself, how dare she assert herself and ask a question. that's the kind of confusion that the islam phones have. it's a moment when we assert ourselves and become empowered to ask a question. who do you want us to be exactly? >> do you think this weird self-contained world of benghazi conspiracy theories, do you think that's something broader or its own weird subculture? >> it's obama is a muslim, you know, looking at -- just listening to what gabriel said, her math is off. 25% of 1.8 billion people is one out of every four people wants destruction of the west and seems like we're doing well. we're still around. i think the thing that concerns me the most is that this is
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really acceptable bigotry. nobody is up in arms about this. they are more up in arms about dana writing the article than the content of what is going on. >> yeah -- >> we flipped it around and put a jewish woman in there or christian woman in there, we would be up in arms and asking for them to be shut down and ask the government to investigation finances. my thing is the hypocrisy around this acceptable industry that has backed by millions of dollars, the islam phobia is at least $120 million and they have tracked money. this is a lucrative business. these people are making money off the hate. >> that's the point, dana, this is just red meat for the base. >> yeah, chris, it's the last area where discrimination for some people seems to be perfectly legitimate. imagine if bill o'reilly said wow, bergdahl's father looks like a jew. can you imagine the reaction?
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or gabrielle saying peaceful muslims are irrelevant. peaceful italians are irrelevant because there is organized crime and there is the black panthers. if you substitute another ethnic group you see why this is completely unacceptable. >> i've been thinking a lot about what is going on in iraq and it does occur to me there is this old adding of news that we don't every plane that lands. for a long time the only thing we covered were crashes so that's in your mind. we don't cover peaceful muslims hanging out going about their day performing surgery or being accountants. we cover isis marching through with black flags looking super terrifying. >> when we did do that and the learning channel put together that television channel, all
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american lmuslim, the right win went crazy. how dare we show muslims living in michigan like normal americans? where are the peaceful muslims ahead of the peace movement and condemning terrorism. there are plenty of them out there, trust me, but that's not exactly a spicy story. >> exactly. we don't, you know, we don't -- even in the case of, you know, in syria and syrian resistance, the syria resistance, the secular left resistance of syria got in play here, right? got play was the fact there were al qaeda folks and isis affiliated folks. i wonder, dana, how much the way we cover this is part of the problem. >> well, that's true in this area as in all areas and we pull out the negative. still, to take a leap and say there is 300 million muslims out there bent on the destruction of western civilization. if we have a war on terror, we have to go out and kill all 300
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million people? good luck with that? >> that's right. there is a desire for some clash with some massive group of people. one of the weird things, i think, the result of the way we reacted to 9/11 was to inflate the importance, right and credibility of precisely those groups that are marginalized. >> i mean, look, we're giving platform to like pastor terry jones from florida, the koran burning pastor. who are we giving platform agency to? bride get gabriel. the media needs to do this. i wish i had the same platforms these people have. i think for the muslim community, we're another audition to a long history of people marginalized and vilif d vilified. my concern is we say no bigotry and no racism but when it comes to arabs and muslims, it's acceptable. nobody says anything.
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>> dana's point, he looks like a jew, forget it. thank you both. that is all for this evening. the rachel maddows show starts now. >> thanks to you at home for joining us this hour. on december 19th, a united states senate candidate was at his home minding his own business when he heard a knock at his front door. he later explained to the newspaper that when he peered out the window of his house, he recognized the local police officers of the lusk police department. he noticed the police officers had others with them. the candidate told the paper, at first i thought they were there to take me to a fema concentration camp to kill me. the local police did not take him to a fema concentration camp nor did they kill him. it was the local employment at the door. accompanied by officers from the