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organization, national action network. i watched him every day. tried to get his head together, his mind together. who could give them their youth back? who could ever give them that time back? money only underscores the debt we owe. a debt we can't pay. a debt we will never be able to fully recover. it's happened too often to too many. we need to keep fighting. thanks for watching. i'm al sharpton. "hardball" starts right now. the circle tightens around christie. let's play "hardball.." good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. let me start with the piranha circling chris christie. federal prosecutors looking to
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sink the new jersey governor. according to esquire magazine the federal prosecutor in the garden state targeted four top aides to christie with the intention of getting one to nail the governor himself. charges could include intentional interference of interstate commerce and obstruction of justice in covering it up. this refers to last septembers's jamming up traffic on the george washington bridge which connects new jersey with new york. another charge could be the alleged shake down of dawn zimmer for failure to back a waterfront development project the governor favored. still another charge could involve the alleged legal diversion of port authority fundses to projects many new jersey which could involve securities fraud. tonight, we study this new look into the criminal investigation that now heads toward the governor's office in trenton. joining me scott robb of esquire who broke the story, and brian murphy, an msnbc contributor and former managing editor at politics new scott, you reported in esquire
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the belt is tight enning on chris christie as the u.s. attorney for new jersey paul fishman assembles his case. these are the four people who could lead the federal prosecutor to chris christie according to your reporting. david sampson, former chairman of the port authority board of commissioners, appointed by christie. bill baroni, former director of the port authority. david wadstein, hired by baroni with a mandate to be chris christie's eyes and ears at that time port authority. and charles mcenna former chief counsel to governor chris christie. citing information from both sources who say all four will be indicted and both further note that fishman, an obama appointee, hopes to see the entire matter resolved before this president's term ends. fishman is focused on christie, says one source. he believes he'll get to the governor. scott, tells us about your sourcing, first of all.
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nbc hasn't been able to do this reporting, hasn't gotten to where you're at. tell me who your sources are generally -- well, you won't give me the names but you are ahead of everybody. pretend i'm your editor. give me generic information about how you know this stuff. >> it begins with giving credit to my cobyline and my wife lisa brennan who is a dogged and relentless legal reporter since i met her in 1993 in philadelphia. over the years she's earned the trust of many people in the legal communitiment frankly, without her sourcing, we would not have been able to advance the story. we have colleagues wary of the extent to which we advanced the story. until we got corroboration -- we had this. we immediateded a second source. both are intimately -- they have intimate knowledge of the case. i should not say involved. paul fishman is an old school federal prosecutor. he doesn't operate by laeaks an
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press conferences like chris christie used to. >> p let's get to the heart of the reporting. it sounds like your reporting suggests fishman has one target in mind -- the governor. is that right? >> i think what has become clear is he believes that he has reason to seek as much information as possible to place christie in the cross hairs, especially on the charges related to david sampson's con flixs of interest. >> talk about those. where is the heart of the matter leading the prosecutor paul fishman? when he is he focused on now? i laid out the options. except for the one that was sitting out there for a long time. diversion of funds from authority to are projects in jer siflt the other two are familiar. perhaps the shaking down of the mayor of hoboken which looked smelly. the fact the lieutenant governor said this isn't the way it is supposed to be but it's the way
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it is. back this development project or be cut off from funds. that sounded like a ring of truth. tell me which the prosecutors focused on for possible criminality here by the governor. >> the diversion of funds from the port authority in order -- it enabled the governor not to raise gas taxes. he took $2 billion that was intended for a train tunnel and the polaski skyway isn't a port authority road. the port authority lawyers told the governor's people you cannot legally use this money to fund that repair. his people, sampson primarily, said find a way to do it. so they did. that's number one now on fishman's hit list. >> what's the criminal intent in what's the self-interest? don't you have to prove in corruption cases that the target of the investigation and the possible prosecution did something in his or her own interest? don't you have to show they were bad people, used common parlance? >> p i think whether it's the quid pro quo from the theft of
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serviceses or whether in the case of the mayor of hoboken whether it is a hobbs act extortion charge. >> that one looks right to me. >> with the skyport authority issues bonds in order to raise its money to invest in capital projects. the bonds are issued on the basis of the port authority obeying the statutory requirements of the spending. in this case, securities fraud and conspiracy to commit securities fraud are clearly in play. >> let me go to brian murphy who has been studying from the new york side. give us a sense of the three areas of possible prosecution which may get to the governor. the interstate commerce, obstruction. by definition. keeping cars from crossing p from new jersey to new york. it sounds like a constitutional case. the shaking down of the mayor of hoboken. and the more complicated case of diverting funds, possible security fraud. >> you know, it's funny.
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david sampson becomes the grand unifying theory for tying those together. when we saw what came out of bridgegate we saw bill bor are oni calls on sampson to run interference against the new york side of the port authority. the people who opened up the bridge again. when we look at what happened in hoboken, even if you strip away what the mayor alleged about being shaken down, we saw documentary evidence that shows david sampson was using -- pivoting off the port authority grant in a way to benefit one of his clients. this real estate development group. we look at the financials the port authority filed in the process of oh diverting money to new jersey's transportation infrastructure. it's important to remember that one of every $4 in christie's transportation budget came out of the port authority. we think about the port authority as a giant agency with a 25-mile radius around the statue of liberty, 1800 square
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miles. that's not a uniform area. the specific projects they were diverting money to were in a gray zone. so sampson tie it together. >> i want to go to scott. there was a perception about this case from what i know about politics. politicians with big ambitions like to keep the army fed. they like to make sure the lawyers used to work for them for good deals. there is money to be made. they are not all selfless people including the bundlers. there is a triangle that works. you get money, they get something back. you keep feeding your army, they work for you. they bring other people to work for you. this feeding frenzy in politics at the disgusting end of it which we are watching here, tell me about it. why would the governor care about sampson's project whether are it's in hoboken or there is something else going on? >> it's stunning when you sit back and realize when we talk about sampson this is a former attorney squen of the state of new jersey. this is a 74-year-old man with a
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long and distinguished career, someone known for being care of. it's important to bring in andrew cuomo, by the way. christie doesn't are have authority solely over the port authority. he shares it with governor cuomo. this was essentially a takeover of the port authority with at least the implicit permission of cuomo and sampson became in some ways a fixer. in some ways a bundler. but on a day to day operations basis, not policy, but operations, the chairman of the board of the port authority commissioners was running the show. what he was doing was -- whether christie has denieblt in any of the matters remains to be seen. what sampson was operating as head of state and the country was the port authority. >> you brought in andrew cuomo. what are you saying he did or didn't do here? >> at this point it's what he didn't do. even when the bridgegate boiled
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over, you know, the executive director or the ceo, patrick foy raised hell. >> that's good government. the only question i have is when is andrew bringing down the hammer on christie? christie at one time asked him to call off the dogs. >> both governors deny along with kisstie's staff that there was a phone call. the issue was never raised in the phone call which is pure hokum. the question is why hasn't andrew cuomo brought a hammer down? in fact, he's hidden himself away and said, you know, that's new jersey business. not the case. >> you haven't mentioned bridget kelly who was the star of the case except the governor. a young woman, a single mother with four kids at home, have very much in the crosshairs of the investigation. the one who basically said time for traffic problemses in fort lee. right there in the incident
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itself, is she involved in your reporting now? >> right now, she's in a horrible position. no. no ones has been able to speak with bridget kelly on or off the record. this is someone like bill stepyan, a former campaign manager fired the same day. someone who was clearly not just kicked to the curb but kicked and run over in the hopes to seal off the damage. >> we'll see a lot of catch-up reporting over the weekend to catch up to you, scott. we'll hear a lot of people trying to catch you or knock you. i can see it coming. scott raab did a wonderful piece with his wife in "esquire." coming up, chris christie isn't the only republican governor with prosecutors on his trail. five local prosecutors say wisconsin's scott walker was part of an illegal campaign fund-raising scheme. what's happening to the republicans' 2016 bench? it's getting empty.
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first, the neo-cons' no apology tour. we may be forced back into iraq are the often wrong never in doubt war boosters out there refuse to admit the fact that they were tragically wrong about getting us into the war in the first place. and tragically wrong about the terrible aftermath. and marion barry says we don't usually talk like this on the show. he says white people have been trying to retake the city of washington from african-americans. i will ask about his evidence and the whole theory he has here. finally, let me finish with a plea for help with people with alzheimer's and dealing with disease. this is "hardball," the place for politics. when folks think about what they get from alaska, they think salmon and energy. but the energy bp produces up here
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in 12 stateses with competitive senate the races, just 38% of likely voters say they approve of the job president obama is doing. that's lower han the national average. nationally the president's approval rating is four points higher. eight of the 12 senate battleground states are red states. states that mitt romney won in 2012 which underscores how truly difficult it can be for democrats to keep control of the u.s. senate this november. we'll be right back. what if a photo were more than a memory? what if it were more than something to share?
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at the track record. we inherited a situation where there was no doubt in anybody's mind about the extent of saddam's involvement in weapons of mass destruction. >> yes ft there was no doubt about the extent of saddam's involvement in wmds. but we did the right thing and invaded anyway. folks, it takes huevos rancheros to blame the outcome of a war you started on the man who ended it. >> i love the lingo of the neo-en cons, wmd. they love it. your tvs have been filled with the same hucksters, and hawks that pushed into the war in iraq a decade ago. they are at it again, incapable of shame or appreciating irony. they got it so wrong in 2001, 2002 and 2003 are now pushing to get us involved in a sectarian religious civil war in iraq. on cnn yesterday, weekly standard editor bill crystal,
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one of the big cheerleaders for war in 2003 responded to a suggestion from senator reid that he ought to apologize for his past advocacy. crystal refused. he had an interesting back and forth with carl bernstein over his role hyping the conflict. >> i'm not apologizing for something that i think wasn't wrong. i think going to war was the right thing to do and necessary and just. we can debate 2003, carl can say how terrible it was. i can debate what harry reid said that the surge couldn't work in 2007. that we could go over 2011. the failure to leave a force and get involved in syria which was the real disaster. in my defense and others who tried to eight things in the last few days we have tried to look at the situation on the ground and say, let's not relitigate the past. what do we do now. >> apologies would be in order from the neo conservatives who banged the war drums so --
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>> oh, hogwash. >> i guess fiddle-dee-dee wasn't available. he got it so wrong in the beginning. eugene robinson, a prize winning columnist for the washington post and joe conison, editor of the national memo. they are all back. it's so fascinating that they get space. they own the op-ed pages of the "wall street journal." they have easy entry to your paper on a regular basis. >> yeah. >> what do they do besides write op-eds? they are in the american enterprise institute and the heritage foundation. they get paid a quarter million a year to write an op-ed every few months? >> i don't know about -- >> that's what they do. >> now full time they are advocating for a different iraq/syria policy, one that involves more use of the u.s. military force which i think is a highly dubious proposition, in my view. >> they are talking -- crystal
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is talking about going in on the ground. bill chris toll and fred kagan wrote an opinion piece for the weekly standard arguing for sending american forces to iraq not merely conducting u.s. air strikes but accompanying hem with special operatives and perhaps regular u.s. military units on the ground. so they are going back right back into the war. look at the headline "what to do in iraq." perhaps the editors are playing a joke on us. not really. but 12 years ago bill crystal and robert kagan did a piece called "what to do about iraq." they made the case for removing saddam hussein and wrote, although we hear about the risks of such action, the benefits could be very substantial. a devastating knock out blow against hussein followed by an american spon orred effort to rebuild iraq and put it on a path to democratic governance would have a seismic impact on the arab world for the better. same title. same bad advice.
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crystal was wrong about a lot when it came to us going into iraq. listen to his exchange on c-span in march of 2003 in which crystal predicted a very short military engagement in iraq. >> whatever else you can say about this war, let me make one point. george bush isn't fighting this like vietnam. you don't need to refight -- >> saddam may be. that's the danger. >> it's not going to happen. this will be a two-month war, not -- >> park hill. >> what do you say about that? do you remember it was only a two-month war in iraq? >> oh, yeah. which two months are we talking about? >> 2003 to 2014. if they were selling used cars, people would be punching them in the nose. >> they would be arrested. chris, they would be. >> the idea that they come back and say, remember the car i sold you 12 years ago and said it would last forever and it was a lemon? i want the to sell you another car now.
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same model, same deal. >> when they go on tv, a clip like that should be shown. there are many. bill crystal, dick cheney, paul wolfowitz made lots of false predictions. they predicted there would be no shia/sunni civil war. the insurgency would be mopped up in a few months if there was one. >> the gas would pay for itself. we'd get gas free. >> it cost us $3 trillion. the record here is outstanding in its complete failure to confront reel al ti of any kind. these are guys -- this will remake the arab world and the middle east. do you know what it did? it turned iraq over to aun essentially. >> this is the interesting thing. we read the papers, try to figure out the points of view. the new point of view is it's bad enough we have isis running around trying to create a new country between the sunni part of syria and the sunni part of iraq. they are worried about the new
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friendship which has been developing for years between iran and iraq. uh now they are all saying we have to be afraid of that. that's the new drum beat. we must fight for malaki so he won't go to iran. >> they haven't been paying attention for ten years. >> the one thing that stood in the way of iran was iraq. we get rid of it. >> if main effect of the war has been to greatly strengthen the position of iran which is, you know, our mortal enemy. right? >> yeah. >> we have made things much easier for iran. we eliminated their number one competitor, their neighbor. >> their hegemonic rival. >> exactly. >> i don't understand the politics. if you look at the renalal threats the threat from iraq was mefr like the threat from a real country like iran. it has a real economy, really educated people that will be a threat particularly to israel.
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it was other sunni countries like jordan and egypt. they spent all the effort going after a fellow sunny-led country like iraq which was not a problem for jordan or egypt. it was really not a problem in a strategic sense for israel. it wasn't. iran is a strategic threat to israel. joe? >> the difficult thing to figure out from the beginning of this, chris -- and you and i were on a college campus discussing this with joe scarborough and other people before the war started is to figure out why they wanted to do this so badly. the argument over the wmds, i'm sorry to say, dick cheney is wrong. not everybody believed that. i didn't. i don't think you did. lots of people said that colin powell's appearance at the u.n., all of the rest was very, very thin. there was very little evidence he still had wmds. they invaded before the inspections were completed. they really didn't want to know if he had wmds before he started the war.
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why do it? to this days it is very hard to figure out. none of the theories they had about it made sense that this was going to remake a democratic middle east, no. this was going to empower iran are from are the very beginning. if you put shia in power in iraq they had been living in iran. iran had been protecting these guys. >> anyway -- >> it made very little sense. >> you know, the funny thing is the arguments escaped with the people who made them. we can't remember what they were. george bush is mad because they tried to kill his father. >> we should point out iraq was once our buddy when they were fighting against iran. >> we paid for that, too. >> we changed sides, too. thank you as always. have a nice weekend. coming up, the republican who changed his name to caesar chavez to win latino votes said he did it because of dog food. hard to follow this guy. got to keep up with his names and his thinking. this is "hardball," the place for politics.
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people pose and they want to hear themselves talk or create moments. >> like unnecessary drama. >> and sometimes. >> shut the [ bleep ] up. >> did you ever -- >> oh, did i want -- >> hey, hey, guys. i have a question for you. why don't you bite me? ever? >> you know, yesterday i had my last briefing from the podium. >> yeah. >> you know, i thought about it. >> welcome back. time for the side show. today is press secretary jay carney's last day at the white house. he delivered his final briefing wednesday. he's been a staple in the briefing room since 2011. one of the longest serving press secretaries ever. he will be succeeded by deputy
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press secretary josh earnest. we'll have fun with that name. next, we have been following the story of the man formerly known as scott fister. he's running for congress in arizona. if you know him at all it's probably as caesar chavez. he switched parties oh run as a democrat and legally changed his name to appeal to the hispanic vote. fister has now been booted off the democratic primary ballot. a judge ruled hundreds of signatures used to get him on were invalid. the judge said fister didn't conduct a coherent scheme by posing as an hispanic man. he said it isn't a scam and had this reasoning behind changing his name. >> this had nothing to do with you knowing how popular caesar chavez is in the latino community. is that right? >> you know what? no. it has nothing to do with him. he's been dead for, like, 20 years, people. i'm not dead. furthermore, it's like i took into consideration my dog's favorite dog food which is cesar
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brand. >> because it was his dog's favorite food? explains everything. p finally leave it to congressman gomert to do it. mccarthy took this picture with are a ralph reed. you can see he couldn't help inserting himself into the picture. talk about a photo bomb. that's louis mert. up next, what's happening to the republicans' 2016 bench? prosecutors in wisconsin say governor scott walker took part in a criminal scheme. that's ahead. you're watching "hardball," the place for politics. in the morni? yeah. getting your vegetables every day? when i can. [ bop ] [ male announcer ] could've had a v8. two full servings of vegetables for only 50 delicious calories.
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here's what's happening. in rain-soakeded minneapolis, the medical center is structurally sound after land gave way on thursday. flood waters washed out homes and roadways. 82 scientists may have been exposed to anthrax rather than 75ment the researchers thought the virus they were working with
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was inactive. the dow closed at a new record high within striking distance of the 17,000 mark. the s&p hit a new high. now back to "hardball." welcome back to "hardball." move over chris christie. another potential contender for t the republicans in 2016 may be facing legal problems. it is alleged governor scott walker directly coordinated with independent political groups in violation of the law. they allege the coordination took place between governor walker's campaign committee and several outside groups that sought to influence his recall election in his favor back in 2011. in addition to several state senate electionses he was involved in. they allege the walker campaign consultan consultants schemed to raise money that aided walker with so-called issue ads against his opponent. the case is pending many federal
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appeals court after the investigation was halted last month . no charges have been filed yet. governor walker denies any wrongdoing. court documents revealed the nature and scope of the allegations. they include an e-mail that walker sent to karl rove in 2011 appearing to brag about directing outside groups via his lead campaign consultant. quote, bottom line, are r.j. helps keep in place a team that is wildly successful in wisconsin. we are running nine recall elections and it will be like running nine congressional markets in every market in the sate and twin cities. whatever happens in the appeals court, walker is likely to take a hit in the court of public opinion, complicating his bid for re-election in a tough year. the most recent poll showed walker leading his opponent by only three points. 48-45. joining us now is matea gold of the washington post. thank you, dear. thank you michael. i will call you, dear, just in
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case. you're with the daily beast. what do you make of this? i will be skeptical. we have a broad set of accusations about the involvement of the governor's people in these so-called independent groups. they are not supposed to do that. they are supposed to be independent. is there anything in the papers that ties him personally or his hands on doing something illegally. himself, personal willy. >> we have yet to know if he's done anything illegally, obviously. no charges have been filed. we don't know if charges will be filed. what i hing was so new and fresh and interesting in the documents revealed yesterday was information that governor walker, according to prosecutors, had a direct hand and was part of the effort to orchestrate this coordinated effort on the outside to boost not only him but republican senators who were also facing recall elections. now that may not have been illegal under wisconsin state law. that's yet to be determined. there was a level of intimacy
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between his top aides and the outside groups that struck a lot of campaign finance experts as supervising. >> you know, it amazes me -- no, it doesn't. people would say why do that if he wants to run for president. why get involved? he was facing a tough recall. ed schultz was on his tail in terms of the labor issues. the labor unions were out to get him and still are. he was worried about getting recalled. so what do you do? >> yeah. what do you do? >> what did he do? what do you see in the charges? >> the same thing matea mentioned. it's amazing to me he would directly write to rove like that. that's usually done by an aide two places away or done by r.j. johnson. not done by the governor himself, bragging about this thing that brings together 12 groups to raise money and of shift money to different races. really weird that the governor
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himself did that. >> why did he? >> i don't know. is he arrogant? was it cockiness? i bet he was just trying -- >> he was trying to show off. >> brag to rove. >> about how clever his operation is. >> exactly. >> does that make sense as an analysis of this that somebody you want on your side to think you are as tough as everybody. look at this. i have this organized. look at the this. >> i think it speaks to the fact that the independent groups have become so intertwined directly in campaigns and the actions of little bitle ca political partieses to the point the governor thought he was on solid ground. this is almost status quo in elections. we are seeing an interplay between campaigns and independent organizations. >> governor walker has denied any wrongdoing and is pushing back against the allegations. here he was on fox today. >> we have to point out you were
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never charged with anything. at one point they allege that you had a central role in a criminal fund-raising scheme okay. tells us what you did. >> well, don't just take my word for it. look at the facts. the facts are clear. you have had not one but two judges, a state and ale federal judge. a state judge, a well respected court of appeals judge and a federal judge recently have looked at the argument n. the past, not just recently. remember, this is not new news. it's just newly released yesterday because documents were open. no charges. case over. >> mike, what should bother the average person watching now is ever since watergate we have tried to tighten up how to get money and how people can use money to influence you in office. you have the 501-c-4s, people doing what used to be soft money. oh, we are just party building f. you watch the ads on television, they look like campaign ads. >> yeah.
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if you read the complaint there are distinctions made about the people in the wisconsin club for growth and other groups trying to make distinctions and parse language about saying we didn't endorse walker. we didn't say anything about walker. we didn't say vote for walker. but the other person, barrett, is an awful person. >> he hasn't been indicted or convicted. let's watch the case. this isn't good news for the party. thank you, matea and michael. up next, marion barry, former mayor of washington, d.c. says white people have been trying to take the city back from african-american leadership for years. mayor barry will be here to talk to me. this will be one of the most fascinating conversations you will hear. this is "hardball," the place for politics. and that's epic, bro, we've forgotten just how good good is. good is setting a personal best before going for a world record. good is swinging to get on base before swinging for a home run.
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we're back. marion barry was in his third term as mayor of washington, d.c. when he was arrested for drug possession following an fbi sting operation in 1990 at a downtown washington hotel. the mayor served six months in federal prison but made a political comeback serving as washington city council and getting re-elected to a fourth term as mayor of washington. he has a new book "mayor for life, the incredible story of marion barry, jr." the first time he's telling the story of his public and private life. he couldn't be more direct. he blames the fall from are grace at least partially on oh racism writing when you start giving black people real money, opportunities and a real sense of pride in themselves that was taken away from us, that's when outside people get mad. that's what the sting at the vista hotel was about. the u.s. government sent the
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video everywhere in the country -- in the world to every embassy in every country to make an example of me. that's the mayor talking. it was definitely race related. they wouldn't have are done that to a white mayor. my second term in office was when countless and groundless allegations about my life and staff began to come up in the media nearly every week. the war to reclaim washington for white people had been declaredfulle of i was not giving up without a fight. this is the most blunt book about race relations, mayor. i have watched you for years. you are the most famous politician in the history of the city without a doubt. let me explain this to the people. since i have lived in this city there is a theory in the black community, something called the plan. the plan is for white people to regain control of the city they kwused to have to appointment of people like walter washington. do you believe in the plan? >> i don't want to get into that now. >> you don't? it's in the book. >> i'm going to put it in context . >> okay. >> things are written about me,
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about this, about that. this is the first time people have an opportunity to find out who marion barry is. what gives me the vision, the tes nasty, the courage to do what i have done. i was born black in mississippi in the delta. >> yeah. >> my mother and father went to the third or fourth grade. i went to a one-room schoolhouse. my mother and father were sharecroppers. at the end of working ten hours a day, day in, day out, they only cleared about $3,000 or $4,000 a month and got tired of that and moved me to memphis, tennessee which is segregated from the top to the bottom. so this book is about ov over coming. >> yeah. which you did. >> i'm saying. it takes a lot to overcome. >> yeah. >> it's incredible. people say, do this. you can't do it that way. you have to have a strong faith in whoever you call god.
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you have to have belief in yourself that you can do it. you can hold your head high but not be arrogant. you can have are a vision about what you want to do in life. my vision was to make washington, transform washington to the cosmopolitan it is now. >> you were a great one-term mayor. >> four terms. >> i'll tell you something. i voted sterling tucker against you the first time. the second time i voted for you. downtown washington, you kept character, but you built it into a zooming town. you did that. >> no question. >> then i voted for drug-free the third time. i thought you were into drugs, drinking too much. something happened to you. it's in the book and you talk about it. you said people were giving you two, three books. then the next event you get two, three books. you said when you got to prison you got clear of drugs. you admitted the problems and blame it on white people. >> let me make it very clear.
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what happened in 1990 was one sliver of my life. i'm 78 years of age. i have done some incredible things. before that night and after andt night. >> sure. >> we know the fbi spent $10 million trying to do that. but that was -- i have apologized to ward and her family. >> i think it looked like entrapment. i'm with you, mayor. they knew what they were after. they knew they could get you to do it. >> it was entrapment. 9 of the 12 jurors voted to acquit me on all charges. not been charged one time after the six months came from another situation in mayflower. this whole period lasted about two years in my life. i'm not a long-term drug user necessarily. but i understand those who do it. and i understand the agony that you go through. so i hope that my life can be example of what you can do, pull yourself out of it, and for those who are out there now who
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are suffering from whatever they're suffering from, from people who going through divorces, going through this -- >> i'm you on this. i sympathize. here's the greatness. people don't know this about you, how good of a mayor you were for four years. you were a great mayor. look, i watch television. i would watch you at the kentucky derby with some stupid hat on, rubber hat, you looked blitzed in those pictures. >> two years of my 78 years. >> yeah. >> is what we're talking about, chris. >> okay. >> i apologize to people. >> let me ask you this. let me ask you this. >> wait a minute. you're a citizen, washington and america is a country of second choice and third choices. in fact, if you're christian, the disciple, jesus. how many time, lord, shall we forgive? he said 70 times 70. i've done that. i've asked for forgiveness. and i've zodone fantastic thing since then. don't imply, not that you're doing that, that i'm walking
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like a drunk all the time. >> i look at the marion barry that was and could have been more of. i quit drinking 20 years ago. you didn't want to quit. >> i'm not going to dwell on that. i'm going to dwell on what is happening to my life and the struggles i had to come out of poverty. >> okay. >> first in my family to go to college, first in my family to get a master's degree. first in my family to get three years working my ph.d. at a predominantly white university of tennessee. came through the civil rights movement. put my life on the line for that. god blessed me not to be hurt or injured. came to washington, d.c., and i changed a whole dialogue. >> okay. let me give you a chance to sell this book. what you've been able to do, i heard this from a cab driver like most white people in d.c., we learn what's going on from cab drivers. >> that's the best place. >> you had gone away, the other place in virginia, then you were up in pennsylvania. you cake back and the cab driver said marion barry is not coming
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back to be a city councilman but going to be mayor again. i said, oh, geez. you had power in the seventh, eighth ward, in the black community. what was it about the mustn't that stuck by you through all this hell? >> could see through all of it, the barry haters. they could see through all the trials and tribulations that were -- but also could see marion barry, the person who had persevered, who had changed washington from top to bottom for the good. who had moved minority businesses from 30% to 47%. millions of dollars. our seniors, our young people. >> let me ask you one last time, because you rebuilt downtown. you go downtown, you see wonderful fa saucades and the character of the city looks great. anyone who comes to washington, they're going to see what you built. why did the white people stop voting formal ye ining for you? >> i got 47% of the white vote. when i got into office the problems were in the black community. the social problem, the educational problem. schools were atrocious.
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health disparages. jobs not there. white people in d.c. by in large, they don't need job training programs. they find their own jobs. they don't need academic or good schools, send them to private schools. on the other hand, we have tried to be diverse, bring people together in this town, and we have some barry haters who go around trying to disparage what i did. >> i wanted people to know what the fight is about you in this town. that's why i conducted thisser be view. >> i appreciate that. >> you know i'm talking like most people talk. >> that's right. >> you know. i want to tell you something, you read this book, if you're african-american, you'll get a sense of this town like you'll never get from anyone else. this man is blunt. if you're white and you want to know what the other people are thinking about you, read this book. the book is called "mayor for life." that's what we used to call this guy. marion barry. >> go out and push some. >> i'm pushing it. go to your bookstore.
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let me finish tonight with the message to all those good people who watch "hardball" and are living with the burden of alzheimer's, lives with this right now as i speak in fact, right there in the room with you. my mom had it. lasted 15 years. taking her farther and farther away from us. it was a long good-bye as you know and i wish i had a better chance to share those years with her.
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dad, of course, carried the responsibility of helping mom in her worsening state day after day after day. he earned all the merit badges, believe me. he kept us up to date but never did a thing to take the responsibility off his own shoulders. he did it alone. it wasn't the way it was supposed to be, but he hung in there and carried the weight of the whole deadly experience. when we asked how mom was doing, he would answer in a single word, classic, he had read the manuals and knew what he was up against. that helped because it told him that none of mom's problems were his fault, just his responsibility. i'm wearing a purple tie tonight in honor of alzheimer's awareness month and to mark the events held around the world tomorrow. the longest day of the year. to support and honor those facing alzheimer's disease. if you can do help to help alzheimer's research, do it. if you know someone caring for someone who has it, give them a hand if only to buck them up. if you, my good friend, watching right now are sitting with an alzheimer's victim, right now, please know that for what it's worth, i have enormous
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admiration for you personally. withdr you are the living breathing no model of the golden rule. do unto others as we have them do unto you. as we say in our religion, keep the faith. that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us tonight. "all in with chris hayes" starts right now. good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. the islamic state of iraq or isis, the militant sunni group that controls a wide swath of territory, spanning from aleppo in syria through northern iraq launched a global social media campaign today. all around the world supporters of the group are supporting with the #alleyesonisis. this one from pakistan, we're all isis. if it seems like a setup for a joke, it's no laughing matter. isis may want to