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and what we have tonight is reflected as a consensus for more and better jobs for mississippi workers. a military force and the
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capacity to defend the security interests of the united states of america. [cheers and applause] those were our principle grounds, planks in the platform for the campaign, but you are the ones who helped reach all the voters, made sure that they knew that they were important to this election, because it's a group effort. it's not a solo. and so we all have a right to be proud of our state tonight. [cheers and applause] thank you very much. thank you for this wonderful honor and wonderful challenge that lies ahead. thank you very much. [cheers and applause] the democratic nominee, travis childers issued this statement tonight. one thing is clear tonight, senator cochran does not have the confidence of his own state let's lone his own party. they voted for change in
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washington. if we are going to change washington, we need to change who we send to washington. the same elected officials will continue fighting each other rather than fighting for mississippians. i believe i can best represent the future of mississippi and the state. i call or senator cochran to join me in a number of debates so voters clearly see the differences. joining me are casey hunt and christina bellentony. daniel does not sound like he's giving up at all, does he? >> that was not a concession speech by any stretch of the imagination. that was the same sort of defy and the chris mcdaniel we've seen all the way along in this process. now the question going forward is what does the mcdaniel
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campaign plan to do? there's no automatic recount law here in mississippi. the margin at this point is probably too wide for any law to apply anyway. mcdaniel made reference to voting irregularities. that suggests that they will try to highlight what they say are problems. there's a lot of attention on these poll watchers that they brought in from out of state to try to monitor some of this voting. and the real anger is coming that he expanded the electorate to include democrats, african-american democrats, people who wouldn't normally vote in a republican primary. as you see that go on, you're going to see that as a flash point for national republicans. it's not just going to be here in mississippi. the conservative right is already seizing on this and using it as an example of an example of how the right has betrayed their values.
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>> he actively courted democratic votes, especially minority votes. >> because anyone can vote in this primary, cochran defy and thely went out there and courted democratic voters and courted independents, and it paid off for him tonight. he was able to expand the electorate. this caused fury at mcdaniel's rally. when i spoke to members of the mississippi state government, when he spoke to members of the naacp, they didn't hear a lot of irregularities. they thought this was a tea party's last best hope this year to get a major victory, and they walked away today with their hands on their heads. >> this is one more vote. will this cause problems, though, in the republican party for cochran? >> well, no. cochran has a lot of friends within the senate republican
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establishment, you know, the national republican senatorial committee went to bat for him. he's considered friendly, they like him. i'm not sure that they would go to bat for someone they didn't like as much personally as they like him. and this is somebody who's been around for a long time. i will point out for a lot of the complaints that the mcdaniel supporters are launching, this is all within mississippi laws. they have an open primary system where you can show up. you don't necessarily have to be registered in that party. if the republicans are upset about that, that's something they can change. it does dramatically affect the results. >> i want to listen to more of what mcdaniel had to say tonight. >> for too long we have stood by, and we've watched strange things happen. for too long, conservatives have needed a voice, someone to stand for them, someone to fight for
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them. you are that voice. you are that voice. the party i was born with, the party i joined when i was 13 years old was the party of a man, a former actor from california, named ronald reagan. [cheers and applause] it was one afternoon my father called my into the room and says listen, you've got to watch this. you've got to see what this man is saying. and there in the tv was this former actor from california. and he looked right at me. he looked right at my father. but he was really speaking to an entire nation. and he said things to us that intuitively made sense. he talked about liberty and freedom. he talked about balanced budgets. he talked about traditional values and personal responsibility.
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and my father looked at me and goes, well, son, we must be republicans. and indeed, we were, and are. that's the party i joined. that's the party i've always been a part of. it was a party of principle at one point, a party of courage at one point. it was reagan that said we will be a party of bold colors, not pastels. and yet, there are millions of people that feel like strangers in their own party. [cheers and applause] it appears the different wings have not yet come to a conclusion. i want to be very, very clear. there is nothing dangerous or extreme about wanting to balance a budget. [cheers and applause]
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there was -- there was nothing dangerous or extreme about defending the constitution and the civil liberties therein. [cheers and applause] and there's nothing strange at all about standing as people of faith for a country that we built, that we believe in. [cheers and applause] but there is something a bit strange. there is something a bit unusual about a republican primary that's decided by liberal democrats. [cheers and applause] >> casey hunt, that is obviously something that he is very disapintsed in in the election results tonight. but if no laws were broken, what can mcdaniel really do? >> at this point, it's not yet cheer what their options are or what they might try to do.
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i think what is clear is that cochran supporters are going to move forward with him at this point with him as their nominee for the republican party and they're going to move forward with that assumption. the effort that the cochran campaign and national republicans put forth to change the dynamics of this runoff is really striking and extraordinary. we came away three weeks ago with that primary election thinking that mcdaniel had this in the bag. history had showed us that challengers do better in runoff situations. they hurt incumbents. all that was upend ed. national republicans came in, knocked on doors, focussed on getting their people out. but it also focused on republicans that weren't worried that senator cochran would potentially lose this race. and they were able to turn those people out. they also shifted their strategy on television. they were airing different types
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of ads and focused on african-americans. all together, the campaign strategy of this, it's hard to estimate the impact that this on this race. >> robert -- >> when you think about, i was just saying that line that really stuck out to me, when you listen to chris mcdaniel's speech, is strangers in his own party. that's how a lot of people felt tonight. they felt disaffected, the party of reagan that they grew up worshipping and praising and feeling included, that it's left them behind. but it's even deeper than that. he's nostalgic for an america that has almost left the entire country. he's in favor of values and family. and within the family of a party that he is long called home. it's reflective of a larger and roaring debate within the republican party about the future, about the future of the party, the future of the
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country, and it all came down here to mississippi where it was a microcosm of all those different debates and discussions. >> i do want to bring in christina, because i want to talk about the irony. thad cochran running on a pro-government platform, saying what can the government do for you. that has people talking as well. >> well, i mean, that wasn't exactly his platform. i think that we tend to throw these words around like conservative very easily. thad cochran is a conservative senator. what he has done is supported things like hurricane katrina recovery or flood insurance or things that helped locally. and that is the point. all politics is local. and there's going to have to be some reckoning within the republican party, is it a question of anti-government, a question of limbited government a question of austerity measures at all turns? you had $17 million used in this contest. that's a lot of money that
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they're trying to use to win back control of the senate where they can have an actual control on policy. he's not going to have that much of a voice within that republican conference. >> casey and robert, feel free to jump in if you want to. >> real quick, i would say that cochran did run on federal funding. this is someone who shifted left during this three-week runoff. he embraced the idea that he could bring pork back to a state that is one of the poorest in the country. he kept going to places and businesses that he helped usher into the state, places like ole miss where there's a building named after him. he's about government money. this is something that they're going to have to grapple with. instead of pandering to the tea party he ran, in a sense, on big government. now we're seeing the party moving a bit toward the center.
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>> you know who else benefitted from that strategy is senator lindsey graham. he was somebody who ran on helping deep in the port of charleston for example. for helping fund the military. he did not runaway from the idea that the government is supposed to do some things for people. i want to go back to something robert said. he pointed out that mcdaniel's nostalgic. one of the terms he's used is foreign to us, offensive to us the way the country has changed. that's something that hit home with democrats in particular. there were people who were alienated by that kind of rhetoric. and i think that could have helped cochran in the long run. >> thank you very much for your time tonight. coming up, lawrence is joined by steve kornacki to talk about the biggest political mistake by chris christie. the best thing out of hollywood that is not a movie. coming up.
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one of our 60 second updates. it's a special summer feature for you who are getting back from summer vacation, haven't been paying much attention to the movies, like i haven't been. now to steve kornacki to give me a 60 second update on chris christie. >> put me on the clock. i've got five things on the list. number one, the biggest development has been the report that came out last week ines cho in esquire magazine that a second grand jury is being empaneled to look into bridge gate. and the most significant figure being the former david samson, former chairman of the port authority and that he might cough up some information valuable to prosecutors. number two is the legislative committee had a bunch of
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hearings this spring. the most interesting thing that happened was at one of the hearings featuring kevin odad, in the room was bell stepian. number three, is that dawn zimmer, the mayor of hoboken has accused the administration of holding up sandy aid. she wanted flood relief money, and she's gotten that now from the federal government. her city one a contest with hud, for big money for flood mitigation. number four, is that moody's has downgraded new jersey's credit rating for revenues not coming in where christie had projected them. and number five, christie going back on the national campaign
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trail, last week speaking at ralph reed's faith and freedom foundation and was talking about the shifting of drug laws. >> thank you very much. i'm now caught up on the two and a half months of christie that i've missed while i've been on the disabled list. my favorite thing was stepian showing up just to listen. i love that. >> they not up for the break and the reporters all asked why are you here. >> steve, stay with us. the next thing i want to talk about when we come back is the biggest mistake chris christie ever made, and i knew what that was even before this year. that's coming up. thanks, steve. >> sure. [ laughter ]
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the tunnel will cost no less than $11 billion. and could exceed $14 billion. in light of that information, the executive committee has made a recommendation to me that the project be terminated and that the staff begin an expeditious and orderly wind-down of the project. and today, i have accepted that recommendation. >> and that was the single worst decision chris christie ever made as governor of new jersey. he used new jersey's veto power to kill a federally funded project to build a new tunnel between new york and new jersey under the hudson river. new york and new jersey commuters today enjoy the foresight of those who built the holland tunnel 90 years ago. it took seven years to build.
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those same people are enjoying the tunnel. to understand the value of a tunnel like that, you have to be able to see 100 years into the future, something politicians are rarely able to do. but when faced with the importance of transportation across the hudson, political leaders, not otherwise known to be visionaries have been able to see that picture. that's why we have those tunnels and bridges that are there now. when chris christie's term came, he said we can not afford the future. that meant, of course, that he was going to have to simply say good-bye to all that money that was available for the construction of that new tunnel. but saying good-bye to that money turned out to be harder for him to do than saying no to the tunnel. and today the new york times reports that they are investigating exactly what chris
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christie did with that money. joining me now is steve kornacki, host of msnbc's up with steve kornacki, the very same steve kornacki who joined me in that quick 60 second update on chris christie. walk us through what we know about this investigation now. and it's just stunning to me that that big decision, which may be the biggest decision he ever made as governor is the one that's coming back to haunt him in this way. >> yeah. so this is if it's really kind of arcane here. we were talking in the last segment, the update i gave about the u.s. attorney looking into bridge gate. >> bridge gate, the george washington bridge is a much simpler thing to grasp, right off the bat in scandal terms than this is. >> what this gets into is this gets into specifically a new york state law, a new york state law called the martin act which gives prosecutors incredible discretion and incredible latitude in pursuing case,
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securities fraud cases, security cases, the past several attorneys general for new york have used this to go after wall stre street. that's how eliot spitzer made his name. now they're staying that the christie administration, not the christie administration particularly, but that the port authority was disingenuous, gave incorrect information in saying that this money was going to go to improve access to the lincoln tunnel. if you know where the pulaski skyway is and the lincoln tunnel is, they're nowhere near each other. it would make more sense to link it to the holland tunnel. but there's a very arcane reason they couldn't say this money was going to improve access to the holland tunnel. they have to say the lincoln tunnel. it actually makes no sense. >> the new york state law gives prosecutors the ability to go after the port authority for this. and then the question becomes is the port authority doing this at
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the behest of somebody or more than one person in the administration, and that's the exposure right here potential liis for the christie administration. >> and according to the new york times report, people in the administration are going back and fort with the port authority over a long period of time over this, and the port authority had $3 billion or so of their money that was going to go into this tunnel. that was going to be another $3 billion of federal money going into the tunnel and the new jersey share would have been three, christie say it is would have been much larger because he was using a much higher inflated estimate for what the tunnel would cost than anybody else was using. but it was the port authority money, that $3 billion that the christie administration was trying to get to, and they got a lot of resistance from their own people in the port authority, saying things in their memos like we can find no authority whatsoever to give through money. >> right. and at some point it just sort of reverses in the correspondences here and it
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says, well, no, we're going to go ahead and do did. the question here to me is if this sort of progresses and if there is some sort of case with that emerges from this. and we don't know if there's anybody in particular in the administration that would be linked to this. it does strike my that there's a question here of how this would be received by the public. i actually don't now. because i presume that the case and the argument that christie would make on people around him would make is hey, look they're trying to hang us on a technicality here. what we're trying to do is we've got this giant bridge crumbling apart. we're just trying to find a way to fix this bridge, find a wray to do it without raising your taxes. i wonder if there's a disconnect between the court of opinion and the court of law. this is one branch of five or six different things that are playing out right now. >> this is much more difficult for christie to say i knew nothing about it. he made public statements saying this was going to happen before the port authority went along
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with it. at the time the port authority was saying it can't happen, christie was saying i'm going to do did. >> we've known all along that christie himself obviously raising the gas tax was completely out of the question. he was looking for creative ways to do things. this is what he apparently came up with. >> steve kornacki, thanks for the update on the last couple months and thanks for tonight. helps reduce the risk of heart disease. it seems that 80 is the new 18. grannies, bless your heart, you are bringing sexy back! eat up. keep heart-healthy. live long. for a healthy heart, eat the 100% natural whole grain goodness of post shredded wheat. doctors recommend it.
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concerned about the continued presence of russian forces along the border, and prepositioned heavy weaponry we believe is intended for separatists. >> the ukrainian military claims pro-russian militants shot down one of its helicopters today, willing all nine people on board. it comes one day after president obama spoke to vladamir putin, which president obama urged vladamir putin to support a temporary ukraine government cease-fire peace plan and president obama seems to have had some success on that diplomatic front today, when vladamir putin submitted a proposal to the federation council to repeal its march 1 resolution, allowing the use of russian armed forces on the territory of ukraine. >> moving these forces away from the border, ceasing support for separatists and calling on separatists to abide by the cease-fire and disarm would send a colleague signal russia is interested in a diplomatic settlement.
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the constructive role they can may involves tangible actions. there's an opportunity for president putin to take these actions and support the deescalation of the crisis. >> adrian, it seems like good news/bad news day. it seemed like the president to the vladamir putin for whatever reason vladamir putin seemed to take a step backward. but then that helicopter gets shot town. >> it's cheer that mr. putin has set in motion the dogs of war and many of the people he's empowered are not fully under his control. there are extreme russian nationalists, there are russian fascists operating. there are true believers that will not necessarily listen to the kremlin. if russia wants to stop this conflict, it can stop i would say 90% of the military activity in eastern ukraine.
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i think that one of the reasons mr. putin is preparing his population for the fact that russia will not directly intervene is because this proxy war is not working. ukraine's forces are now showing a lot more cohesion. they control about 70% of that territory in eastern ukraine that was primarily under the hands of the rebels. the rebels do control the two major cities, but never the less, a lot of progress has made despite the death of nine member today in that attack on a helicopter. >> richard wolf, it seems president obama has more danger spots to manage man vladamir putin does from ukraine to iraq, and of course, iraq becoming -- i don't think you can use the word manage when it comes to the american presidency and iraq.
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>> right. and actually these two pieces of diplomacy are connected. where there's a standoff with russia over ukraine, there's an alignment when it comes to sunni forces pulling out of syria. those are the forces challenging russia's allies in syria. this is a very complex territory as we well know from the sad history of america in iraq over the last several years. but it does open up in putin's mind a different kind of shifting alliance he might need american support for, even as he's frustrating america elsewhere. >> adrian, what to you think vladamir putin is watching in the middle east and in the iraq region? >> in the long-term, what mr. putin wants is a continued state of instability. but not the kind of instability that will be completely uncontrollable.
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in other words, he's sort of aiming for the same kind of situation that you will want in ukraine. basically making russia the main -- the main channel through which energy passes on an east-west quadrant. so as long as iraq is unstable and iran is in the hands of fundamentalists -- >> richard, you have studied this white house and staff in both -- and the way the president operates in this white house. how do you imagine it's working when they have all of these different hot spots that they've to the to keep an eye on and they've got to have meetings on every day? it seems a very difficult exercise. >> there's no question that it's
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a challenge. the three dimensional chess game you're playing here, i know that's a trivial way to look at a situation where people are dying, but your domestic agenda is extremely frustrating. and here's a situation where the biggest issue of all for the president, which has always come down to nuclear proliferation, is also at the heart of these problems, because he's to the to teal with russia when it comes to iran's nuclear program. these are interlocking puzzles that were all split apart by the bush years and by the arab spring that followed from there. so there's a lot of cleanup there. it's a huge challenge. can you build a coalition and find a solution? i bet as draining as this is to hook at so many different fronts in such a complex part of the world we barely understand, this president finds it a satisfying challenge because it's
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intellectually rigorous. >> thank you both for joining me tonight. >> thank you. coming up, rachel said i could use the best new thing in the world, but it would just be wrong. but it is coming up. that's what i think it is. i'll have to call it something else. we'll be back. if you have moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis, like me,
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the house appropriations committee has included language in the state budget to rename the washington street where the chinese embassy located. the current address is 3505 international place, northwest. if renaming of that street is signed into law by president obama, the chinese embassy's new address would be number one lee yushobow, who is a chinese dissident imprisoned in china on charges of submersion. now i'm sure congressman wolf
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has thought this through and is ready to address his letters to the american embassy in beijing with what will surely become their new address on edward snowden avenue. up next, the current reigning geniuses of hollywood who have rewritten something ugly into something very, very important. and now for the good news. i would love to call this the [cat meows] [laughs] ♪meow, meow, meow, meow... ♪meow, meow, meow, meow... it's more than just a meal, it's meow mix mealtime. with 100% complete and balanced nutrition, and the taste, textures and variety cats love, it's the only one cats ask for by name. ♪
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and now for the good news. i would love to call this the best new thing in the world, if the best new thing in the world were not already a copyrighted feature of my favorite cable news show. so let's just say, it's an incredible great thing. it is a hollywood creation, and by hollywood, i don't mean a geographic location, i mean show business, of course. it's not a new movie or tv show,
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but it just might be the most important piece of writing to come out of hollywood this year, even though this was actually done in new york city just like a lot of other hollywood writing is. but this writing won't be nominated for any awards because it wasn't written for the screen. it was actually written on napkins by two movie stars. the first draft was any way. here's a look at the second draft. that's emma stone and andrew garfield leaving a restaurant where they had breakfast in new york city last week. they spotted their paparazzi stalkers outside before they left the restaurant, and so they were ready. so that was the best shot that the paparazzi were able to get of the couple. the card emma stone is holding says good morning. we were eating and saw a group of guys with cameras, so we thought let's try this again. we don't need the attention but
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these wonderful organizations do. then an arrow points to andrew garfield's card which lists the organizations,, and don't forget gilda' here's to the stuff that matters, have a great way. provides education to orphans. gilda's club supports people living with cancer. emma stone's mother, christa, is a breast cancer survivor. and of course, gilda's club is named for the great gilda radner, the brilliant original cast member of "saturday night hive" who succumbed to ovarian cancer in 1989 at the age of 42.
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and so emma stone and andrew garfield have brilliantly used their celebrity life and turned paparazzi attacks into something beautifully positive. not for themselves but for other people. autistic children, orphans, cancer patients. this, this is a flash of genius. now, i know genius is the most overused word in show business, but it belongs here. the paparazzi has been with us as long as hollywood existed, and it took this long to figure out how to turn their stalking and their often reckless invasive behavior into something not just good, but wonderful. emma stone and andrew garfield did that, they did that. their first draft version of this was actually two years ago when they wrote their messages
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on napkins that they found in the restaurant they were in. it looks like a simple idea. but many spurts of genius turn on simple ideas. if it was an easy idea to come up with, why did it take a century of celebrity stalk for someone to figure this out? they have many standing ovations coming to them in the long careers ahead of them, but none will be more deserved than the standing ovation they should be getting for this, which i would be giving them right now if i could actually stand. now, i know there are some constantly stalked celebrities out there who continue have a strong personal attachment to any particular cause. for them i would like to offer an unlimited supply oh. written by me. it says hi, i don't need the attention but this wonderful
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organization does. kids in need of desks. remember, when you're holding remember, when you're holding one of these paparazzi blockers, you do not have to try to run away from the paparazzi. in fact, if you don't mind, i would prefer that you slow down and make sure that they get a real good picture.
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but after months after working on an appeal and a three-hour hearing last tuesday, he stood before reporters today and announced this. >> i am reinstated as an ordained minister of the united methodist church. >> the committee on appeals restored his credentials after concluding his initial punishment was too extreme. the committee changed it. so what is his new penalty? he's been suspended for 30 days. 30 days that the committee determined he has already served. welcoming back to the program, reverend frank schaefer and his son, tim schaefer. reverend, so you have been re-frocked. how does it feel? >> it feels wonderful, lawrence. i said it in my press conference, i felt like dancing,
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if i only knew how to dance. and somebody challenged me and i actually danced at that press conference and it was totally embarrassing. but i feel like dancing, you know? it's a wonderful day. >> tim, i know this was difficult for you because it was your wedding that got your father in such trouble. now that he seems to be back where he wants to be, this has to complete what is the joy of the wedding. >> oh, of course. i'm ecstatic that he's reinstated and really proud that all this time he has not just talked the talk, but walked the walk. so i'm very proud of dad. >> reverend schaefer, what does this mean within the methodist ministry? >> i think this is a huge step in the right direction. i mean, look, i actually said in front of my trial court, in front of the church, in front of
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the whole world really, that i would not refuse ministry to anybody based on their sexual orientation, and i went on record to say i would perform another gay marriage. i was defrocked based on that statement, but the church reconsidered, and re-frocked me today. i think that is a wonderful message to our lbgt community within the church and beyond. the church is changing, and that is beautiful. >> and tim, this seems to be one of those situations as we look at this institution from the outside that they are moving more inside than they are letting on. they do want to maintain that there is a penalty for what you father did, but they're making the penalty so light that it seems like this is the period in which they're reconsidering whether there should be a penalty. >> and i think that you're seeing with a lot of the church leaders as well that privately they express their support for
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the lbgt community, but publicly they're afraid to speak out and stand up. and, you know, hopefully there will be a safe environment for them in the future to come out. there's strength in numbers. >> reverend schaefer, the people who reinstated you know that this is something you might do again. >> oh, absolutely. i was very clear on that. i never made it a secret. i said i will perform another gay marriage if i'm asked to. so really this is incredible. 8 out of 9 members spoke in favor of reinstating me. >> did anyone speak beyond just the case and talk about the issue involved and indicate that the church should change the policy? >> yeah, i don't think it was time at the forum for that question to be answered. but i think the ruling itself is a statement. >> reverend frank schaefer and
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tim schaefer, thank you both for joining me tonight and congratulations to you both. >> thank you so much. a bridge too far. let's play "hardball." good evening. i chris matthews in wash. let me start with governor christie's problems. it's getting hot. prosecutors in manhattan have zeroed in on a securities fraud case involving new jersey raising money under the name of the port authority and spending it on a state road project. if proven reportses suggest it could constitute a felony against who in the trenton offices put their hand to it. well, the possible securities fraud is being probed along with other piece of the new jersey scandal.