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this is your victory. >> it was the most nasty negative campaign i've ever seen. >> who'd of thunk it, reaching out to the african-american voters to be determinative in the outcome of the race. the supreme court ruled that aereo violets federal law by retransmitting programs without paying a fee. she's not out of touch. the real issue is, if you've been fortunate enough to be successful, are you now out of touch and insensitive to the agonizing struggles other people are facing. >> they're very active on social media, facebook, twitter, instagram. >> oh, they are huge on instagram. they got one filter to make all the photos seem like they're from the 1970s and another filter that makes all their ideas seem like they're from the seventh century. we have got the latest ton so-called next bin laden behind iraq's chaos. we'll take you into the trenches
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and all those crazy primaries. first, the bite felt round the world. take a look at that. yes, yes, and wait for it. it's going to happen there. oh, the bite! you can say it with flowers or you can bite someone's shoulder off. this morning fifa charged luis suarez with biting georgio chel linney. big day for sports, the nba draft also looming tomorrow. here to digest all of it, jason collins, most recently with the brooklyn nets. thank you for coming. >> thank you for having me here. >> what's up with that bite? have you ever been bitten in basketball? >> no. i've been elbowed right in the mouth and had a tooth knocked out, but never been bitten.
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>> what where do you think that comes from, aggression out of control? is he peckish on the court, on the field in this case. >> it's one of those things where he's a repeat offender. her clearly has a history of just getting lost in the moment. >> he's the third person that suarez has bitten. take a look at the bite actually. we've got "the daily news" headline today, had some vivid illustrations. there it is up close and personal. that's pretty bad. how do players contend with that kind of threat of violence while they're trying to stay in the game? >> you never expect. you might expect a forearm, an elbow, but you never expect to get someone to bite you. that just something you are not prepared for. to his credit he didn't throw a bunch, the other player. i give him credit for maintaining his cool trying to show the referee. he had evidence, here are the
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bite marks on my back. >> it's crazy. doesn't send a great message to sports viewers who look up to these viewers. >> young kids around the world, everybody is watching the world cup right now. what kind of message does this send to the young kids? suarez lost his cool and i think fifa needs to come down hard on him. >> moving on to the nba, of course the draft is tomorrow. cleveland cavaliers have the first pick. >> looks like they'll draft a kid wiggins out of kansas with a first pick. with lebron james being a free agent coming up, it has an impact on the nba draft. now teams who might have a shot at getting him are going to try to draft a piece that will go along well with lebron, or maybe for a sign and trade with the miami heat, something that the miami heat might look for in compensation. there are a lot of different options with lebron being a free
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agent and also carmelo anthony being a free agent. >> it does seem to be changing everything. everyone talking about lebron and how much money he was going to make and how difficult it is for him to be retained. it's been reported only six teams can afford him. we have a list of some of them. do you think salary caps hurt or help the sport? >> i think they help the sport as far as trying to get more parity so a team like san antonio has enough money to compete. but they hurt the athlete because you're putting a cap on someone's -- the most someone can make and it's one of the few professions where there's a cap on how much you can make. >> you want to reward the best and the brightest? >> yes, you would think so. i think for the sake of the team, from the nba's perspective, they want more parity, they want, again, so a team like milwaukee bucks or the team like the san antonio spurs has a shot at winning the title.
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those teams have found a way to make it work. >> as the best and brightest of the young college players head to the draft hoping to be the next lebron, what do you think of the state of college basketball? looking back at your own career, do you think they need more protections? one thing on their mind is what football players have done, trying to unionize, do you think that could be an option? >> the ncaa has an issue where they're making billions of dollars and exploiting the players. the players get a stipend check, but it's barely enough -- i know from the ncaa perspective they're saying you're getting a scholarship. there is more the ncaa can do. when you're using someone's likeness and not compensating them the right way, i have an issue with that. i think they can increase their stipend. you think of the television rights, march madness, college football. >> video game likeness.
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>> bcs bowl games, everything that generates money for the ncaa, they can distribute that amongst some of the student athletes. >> and you've been in the situation firsthand. it really is a full-time job to say the least. >> as a collegiate athlete you learn time management. the demands are heavy and rigorous. i went to stanford university, graduated in 2001. going back to -- as a college basketball player, i was able on ea sports to play a college basketball game, and there i am on college basketball and i can be myself. >> a fictional game. >> a video game that has my jersey number and i'm playing -- the first time i was playing, i was like, this is really cool, i'm in a video game. then as i thought anti it, wait a second, that's me and you're not compensating. >> i paid 50 bucks for this game. where is my money? >> exactly. the ncaa has issues they need to
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improve upon. >> these are young people that need our protection because we rally behind them, we get a lot out of them. let's turn to you. you haven't announced whether you'll return to the nba. are you going to pursue another season? >> i haven't decided yet. after everything that went down over the past year, i kind of need a mental break right now. i'm going around doing speaking opportunities, speaking up for civil rights issues and lgbt issues, and i'm enjoying my summer. i'm a huge fan of tennis. i'm getting ready to go to wimbledon next week. >> i hear you're big on tennis. >> i'm in two tennis leagues and i dabble in a third. i have a pretty good serve. i love it. loif the sport. >> you talked about howie ventful the last year has been. it really has meant so much to so many that you've taken the stand that you have. having come out a year ago now and having had that time to reflect on it, do you think that
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that experience has hurt your career at all in the game? >> absolutely not. i think it's just another -- just like me being african-american. it's just another characteristic of me. my teammates from the brooklyn nets, incredibly supportive. the coaching staff, ownership, the fans. my first home game here in brooklyn, i got a standing ovation when i went in the game. it was really one of those moments i'll never forget. everyone has been incredibly supportive. i encourage everyone to live an authentic life. >> the coaches you've been in touch with, people have rallied behind you? >> yes, everyone. >> that's great to hear. >> it really is. it speaks to the character of the nba players. we're like a family. it's a brotherhood. we're getting ready to welcome some young brothers to our family on thursday night with the nba draft. so i'm really excited for them.
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i remember being drafted in 2001, first round draft pick and all that excitement. it's kind of cool to see other people relive that moment. >> you've been a role model. we'll be watching to see what happens, hoping for no biding. >> no biting. throw an elbow instead. just kidding. >> jason collins, great to have you here. we'd love to have you back. thank you. >> up next on rfd, the supreme court pulls the plug on aereo. you can still watch this show, streaming or no streaming. breaking news with another decision on same-sex marriage that's going to impact two states. we've got it all after the break. are you ready grandma? just a second, sweetie. [ female announcer ] we eased your back pain, you turned up the fun. tylenol® provides strong pain relief while being gentle on your stomach. but for everything we do, we know you do so much more.
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the u.s. supreme court, today defenders of digital rights. two big tech cases with very different result. in one, riley v california, the court limruled to limit police searches of cell phones. aereo not allowed to allow customers to watch on tablets. aereo called it a massive setback for the american consumer saying, quote, this sends a chilling message to the technology industry. but will it? >> joining me from the supreme court is justice correspondents pete williams and from yale law profess so akil lamar.
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love having you on the program. break down the aereo decision. aereo claimed it wasn't vif lating federal copy right laws. on what basis did the justices rule against them? >> they said aereo is wrong about that. there's a federal law that says if you retransmit somebody else's public performance, you can't do that without paying a copyright fee. first the supreme court said a television program is a public event. it is a public -- it is covered -- a public performance and is covered by the copyright law. what aereo said is all they were doing is what you can do at home, you put your own antenna on your house, connect it to a digital recorder. aereo says it was doing that remotely and it tried to conform to the law. you have your own little antenna when you logged in and said you wanted to watch a specific program, have your own dedicated space on a digital video recorder today the supreme court said that doesn't get around the
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copyright law, that aereo is still retransmit ag public performance without paying the copy write fee. therefore, it's illegal. in theory aereo could keep the business going by raising the rates and charging a copyright fee. it seems unlikely they'll do that, because one of the goals of aereo was to try to ultimately get at the cable monopoly. today they said they'll continue trying to find new ways to do things for the consumers. they didn't say anything about maintaining the aereo business which is in about a dozen cities right now, that its growth was stopped when this case was in the courts. it seems likely aereo will probably go away. >> pete, that argument from aereo themselves saying this is going to chill technology development, that was something court was very hip to, writing it won't discourage the emergence use of different kinds of technology. >> one thing is by saying it.
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secondly what happened during the argument is aereo's lawyer, david frederick, said the internet community was in his term freeblgd out by this case because of the potential effect on the cloud, about being able to store things on the cloud. what the lawyers for the broadcaster said is, yeah, but most things that people stick in the cloud, they've already paid the copyright fee on, they've created it themselves or downloaded it from someplace else like itunes, they paid the copy write fee. so the court was trying to say, all we're saying is when you try to do something like aereo, almost exactly like aereo, you violate the law. >> akil, going to this other big tech case, in riley the court ruled unanimously but somewhat contentiously that cell phones can't be searched without a police warrant. chief justice john roberts acknowledged that was a complicated balancing test between privacy and law enforcement flexibility. he said we can't deny our decision today will have the
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impact on law enforcement to combat crime. privacy comes at a cost. does this show an evolving understanding in the juris prudence that tech privacy needs its own protections even when it requires sacrifices. >> the court begins by saying the fourth amendment itself just requires reasonableness. the case has said ordinarily you need a warrant in all sorts of situations. there's an exception. ordinarily when you arrest someone, you don't need a warrant to arrest the person and you can search the person's pockets without a warrant, but what the court said is, yeah, but ordinarily, in the old days, when you searched a person's pocket, you didn't find their entire life. you didn't find their diary, all their business records, their love letters, pictures of them with their loved ones, perhaps even compromising pictures. so this little cell phone turns out to be something that in the old days people didn't carry their lives with them to quite
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the same extent. so the court said, although ordinarily police can search an arrest tea without a warrant, this is special. this is more like a diary, more like your home, more like your intimate life. justice alito said, you're probably right, i agree with you, but technology is evolving so fast, let's go so slow. if legislatures and governments push back, let's reconsider this. he agreed with the bottom-line result, but you see a court struggling with new technology. >> the unanimity of the decision does suggest that probably everyone including those justices has those photos on their phone. they get this on an intimate level. even with that being the case, alito and roberts had very different reasoning. talk about that. >> as i said, alito has a cautious, traditionalist sensibility. he suggested and was more of a prosecutor in his previous life in law enforcement.
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his approach was i can't come up with a better rule today, i'll go along with this. let's go slow and if technology evolves, let's rethink. one of the big concerns is what happens if people try as soon as they get arrested to signal in some way so all of this stuff gets wiped from the phone. the majority says we'll think about that later, case specific rules about exigent circumstances. who knows when we'll have new apps for wiping phones. >> pete, another ruling about same-sex marriage with a big effect in utah. tell us about that. two rulings actually. >> one ruling from indiana, an unbroke even string of judges that struck down bans on same-sex marriage. that becomes the next case in that line. the far more significant one was a decision by a three-judge panel of the tenth circuit court of appeals ruling that utah's ban on same-sex marriage is unconstitutional. this is the first time a court at that level, at the appeals
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court level has held such -- made such a ruling, 2-1 vote. so the court also put a stay on its own ruling, put it on hold to give the state time to appeal it to the u.s. supreme court which it almost certainly will do. this sets up the possibility, the theoretical possibility the court could take this issue next term. i think we have to ask ourselves, if all the cases that come here in the succeeding months come out the same, will the supreme court take it, or will it wait until there's a split among the circuits? i don't know the answer to that. >> akhil, what do you think this signals for the gay rights issue? >> pete set it up nicely. here is another factor. the court doesn't usually like to wade in unless the courts below are split. on the other hand, the court likes to get in on the action to some extent. all this is kind of happening without them on the other hand. for those of you, that's three hands. i'm sounding like fiddler on the
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roof. on the other hand, if you wait just a little bit, the court might want to wait until the country is already there. and then they can just sort of pronounce, in effect, yes, we do, we do gay marriage everywhere. >> huge steps for privacy rights, for tech, the tv industry, gay rights. amazing how much went down in this one day. appreciate you both on covering it for us. two of the best. just ahead on the program, bill defended his hill. would you call the clintons rich? at least they don't have a car elevator, as far as i know. am i right, mitt? every morning... ten times! not just... now and then. once more on the rise... nuts to the flabby guys! go, you chicken fat,
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age before beauty, right, guys? turns out the american electorate still seems to think so. 42-year senate vet thad cochran won his mississippi primary. 44-year congressional vet charlie rangel is on his way to win in new york it seems. bill clinton came to the defense of his wife who may be looking to be president number 45.
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let's get to it. a lot to unpack. joining me former pennsylvania governor ed rendell and msnbc contributor, finney from the dnc and david avella, the president of gopac. governor, i'll start with you. this was the first major republican primary match-up since tea party candidate dave bratt crushed eric cantor two weeks ago. waum street journal says we're back to a pre david bratt world. which one of these races was the outlier do you think? >> neither. building aa party like the tea party, there's no immediate success, no string of successes and no string of defeats. remember what they did enforcing a very popular 42-year senator into a runoff to begin with, that was a fairly significant achievement. did they lose?
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they lost because all the political forces in mississippi including the barbours, and haley barbour is still almost like god in mississippi, number one. number two, the cochran forces were very clever to appeal to democratic voters. it is an open primary. there's nothing illegal about it. i think it was democrat irk voters that probably made the difference. >> let's look at that question. david, it seems like cochran eked out this victory in part due to these democratic voters and actually specifically african-american voters seemed to turn out. this is one example i found interesting. hinds county, mississippi, 70% black, didn't play any role in the june 3rd primary, yet in this recent runoff cochran won with 72%, 18,000 votes. he got new voters out and in particular democratic and black voters. mcdaniel took issue with that. should voters take issue with that? anything deceptive about snit. >> a host of folks woke up this
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morning having voted republican the first time and they get to celebrate a victory and potentially have advanced their ideas and said, gosh, voting republican felt pretty good. maybe i'm going to do that again. >> no, they won't. >> that's wishful thinking. >> well, it happened on both sides though. while senator cochran brought many people into the republican coalition, so did chris mcdaniel. for our party, that is a long-term good thing. as far as for the tea party, they have to start -- we have to as a coalition start deciding where we're going to start focusing our batal. are we going to look at primaries or look at folks that actually do things that stop the ideas we're trying to to advance, whether that be creating jobs with the keystone pipeline, trying to bring a reasonableness to the health care system. let's focus on who is really the enemy and it's having harry reid as the senate majority leader
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blocking what's trying to come out of the house. >> certainly cross-party pollination should not be the enemy, right, karen? >> absolutely. this is something nobody is really talking about and you touched on it. look what happened in hinds county in terms of -- that is a high percentage african-american and includes jackson, mississippi. so clearly, if you look at the votes, i think about 4,000 additional votes, changing the electorate. this is a big feature of what happened in this election. there's a national message in that. that is what barack obama was able to do two times. that is what is happening in this country. that is how you have to win. outside of these gerrymandered house districts, when we're talking about the state level and talking about the federal level, this idea of changing the electorate is critical. two messages, number one, i want african-american voters to take a look at this and see when you turn out, you can make a difference. that's why turnout is so important. number two, this idea of changing the electorate for the gop, they have to realize, tea party or not, there simply are
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not enough older white voters, which is a lot of the base of the republican party, to change the electorate. if you're going to change the electorate in states and nationally, again, immigration reform, some of these other issues that appeal to african-american and latino communities, they need to start changing their tune. >> i want to get to some of the other races here. let's look how the racial dimensions are playing out. new york is one big contentious one. so close it hasn't been called. charlie i rangel does look like the winner so far. he was on our air saying he was sure it was going to be a victory, ready to move on to mending divisions in his district. if he wins, it will be by less than 2,000 votes. should these tiny margins encourage voter turnout? should people feel more empowered to change the outcomes, governor? >> sure they should. one thing i want to say about the last discussion because it's important, it shows the value of open primaries. every state should have open
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primaries. my state doesn't. we tried to get it. we should have it because it allows parties to go after voters, broaden their base and their appeal. it means moderation has a chance to succeed in primaries when you have open primaries. >> that's a huge point, and i love hearing from the tea party that they have this populist counterestablishment ideology. i think a lot of young frustrated voters which that would extend across the political spectrum to being more open minded about having all voters weigh in on all these races. >> we haven't talked about -- when i say we, most of our shows haven't talked much about california where they're having basically non-partisan elections. they picked the top two. if the top two are democrats, they are on the ballot. we need to break the hold that both bases and both political parties have because of closed primaries.
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very important. >> governor, if you're raising that point, it has to be said, the critique from the other side of that debate is always, well, that can cause an opening for opposition parties to stack these competitions. what do you think of that critique? >> well, you know, i think voters are smarter than that. i think the voters in mississippi, the democrats that voted for thad cochran were persuaded that he had brought home from washington things that were important in their lives. we always underestimate the intelligence of voters. voters won't be used. voters will vote their interest. in thad cochran's case they voted for someone who had produced. >> david, what does it say about voters' relationship with age in both of these races, the old guard people being frustrated with, getting back into power again. what do you think it suggests? >> it's very hard to be an incumbent. unless you have a very compelling candidate with a convincing message as to why that incumbent needs to be
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fired, it's very difficult. one point on what the governor was talking about, as we start to look toward the general election, democrats coming and voting in republican primaries are doing so because they're frustrated and angry with the way things currently are. that bodes very well for the party that is out of power which happens to be the republican party. as we try to pick up a senate majority, democrats who are willing to come vote in a republican primary early in the year, you have a very good chance of getting them to come do that again in the general election. if you're looking at political environments, it's pretty favorable for republicans. >> come on, it's a great talking point and i know it's what you've got to say. again, i think the motivation of those voters, particularly if we take a look in mississippi and look at some of the things that mcdaniel has said. apparently cochran's campaign didn't even use all of what they had, there was a serious motivation, i think a fear of this man, mcdaniel as their
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nominee, frankly. i don't know that i'd say it's all about, hey, maybe we'll vote republican in a general election. i think a little different motivation than that. >> i will say it's nice to see non-partisan frustration, whatever the implications of that. before we let you guys go, we had to get to this latest sound of bill clinton defending hillary clinton. it's going viral online. of kourks he was coming out really defending her against these charges that she's out of touch because she made those dead broke comments saying she wasn't that well off. listen to him. >> it is factually true that we were several million dollars in debt. i think i had the lowest net worth of any american president in the 20th century when i took office, but i still could have been tone deaf. no i don't and we've got a good life and i'm grateful for it. but i still -- we go to our local grocery store on the weekend. we talk to people in our town,
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we know what's going on. the real issue is if you've been fortunate enough to be successful, are you now out of touch and insensitive to the agonizing struggles other people are facing. >> governor, why this general discomfort with talking about being wealthy? we elect hyper wealthy candidates over and over again. why don't we want our candidates to then fess up to that? >> people don't care. people will vote for extremely wealthy people like jfk, like fdr, as long as their policies are things that show that they understand the needs of ordinary working people or people who are vulnerable. that's the key. i don't think this will do hillary any damage, although i wish she had chosen better words. she is for things like raising the minimum wage which people who are in the poorer part of the american economy believe in. so i don't think it will do any long-term damage at all. >> i've got to say. that's the argument that resonates with me most as a
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voter. i look to how in touch the policies are on a fiscal level, not how in touch the biography is. it's been a pleasure, thank you. >> thanks, ronan. up next, freedom is not free. one person who knows that intimately is reverend al sharpton. he'll join us with a look back at freedom summer, 50 years later. the lessons learned and the fights still being fought today. don't go away. the day we rescued riley was a truly amazing day. he was a matted mess in a small cage.
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summer is reverend al sharpton, as famous for being outspoken about rights as he is for being outspoken about a new generation of politicians and, well, pretty much everything ills. joining me is reverend al sharpton, host of msnbc's "politics nation." who on capitol hill do you think is the biggest obstacle. >> the obstacles are those in the senate having hearings now and those in the congress. clearly when we remember freedom summer of '64, 50 years ago, when i was a kid -- but i remember my mother telling me about good man cheney, they opened the right to vote to all americans. yes, it was blacks being denied. it dem mom tiesed voting for america. to come 50 years later and now we look at a year ago today that the decision came that in many
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ways gutted out the voting rights act by ending pre clearance, i remember i was sitting in the supreme court hearing when justice scalia talked about the vetting rights act was like a racial entitlement. the government had to give certain protections because the government had laws on a state level that barred people from voting. the government had to use law to undo what government laws had done. it just wasn't that blacks weren't voting, we couldn't vote. that's why people lost their lives. to now gut that out would end in early voting, calling for government id, to limit the ability of segments in this country to vote difficult proportionately black is to bring us back toward where we were 50 years ago. that's unacceptable. that's why many of us are going in those states, those 22 states, as many as we can, to
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challenge those laws, but also to help seniors and others to be able to do what is necessary to make sure they can vote. >> what's indisputable is those restrictions are happening in the states that no longer require pre clearance. there's less access to the polls. we don't have the final numbers on what the i'm plakt be. there are fewer hours to vote, more restrictions, more requirements that people have ids. it is changing. some of it is scary. i also want to get your take about congressman rangel. he's obviously not new generation, but coming back into office and going up against that new generation. this is integral to the future of leadership, minority leadership in particular. you've accused him of being racially divisive and maybe turning brown against black in this race. would his winning be bad? >> no. first of all what i said is i didn't want to hear any racial bickering back and forth that had happened in one of the
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debates, and it stopped. the voters have spoken. congressman rangel appears to be the victor. i think people have the right to examine every vote. i think we have to move on and heal the community. we don't need black against brown, against white. i've asked for all of candidates including congressman rangel who has won to be at a unity rally this saturday. we meet every saturday at the saturday action rally. that's where i call on the candidates to rise above the acrimony any. i want to call on them to let's heal, rise above the acrimony. i think what's more important is dealing with the agenda of jobs, of trying to protect things like voting rights. let's move on. i think we've seen a race. it has at times been less than harmonious. now it's time to show the community that whether i'm the winner or the loser, i'll do
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what's right for the community. >> rangel said, of you, i thought it very unusual that sharpton would be talking about racial divide. >> i'm the first one to say 20, 30 years ago i said things i shouldn't say. many of them that are totally out of context. but i've used the n word and other words i shouldn't have used which is why i am the one that can say, come on, let everyone grow out of it. whether i said with the right set or not and the way i shouldn't have said it. i shouldn't have said anything that could in any way harm others, why i think it gives me credibility to call others out. there's no one better than the one that is willing to reflect on themselves than to ask everyone, let's examine ourselves because we can do better and we can be better. >> reverend al, that honesty is why you're such a source of leadership in this community,
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why those comments make a difference and why people follow them so closely. thank you for coming. >> thank you, ronan. >> you can watch "politics nation" right here on 6:00 p.m. eastern. coming up, marketing terror. perfect gift for the jihad difficult on your christmas list? this is much closer to the truth than you might imagine when we come back. benchmark of its class. really, guys, i thought... it also has more rear legroom than other midsize sedans. and the volkswagen passat has a lower starting price than... much better. vo: hurry in and lease the 2014 passat s for $199 a month. visit today. ♪ [ girl ] my mom, she makes underwater fans that are powered by the moon.
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who's the man behind the insurgen insurgency? the man dubbed the new bin laden. the man "the washington post" call the the most powerful jihadist leader in the world. little is known about him. it's the shadowy commander of isis. so little is known, in fact, that this, what you're looking at right now, is one of only two confirmed photos of him. what's not a mystery, the fact he and his fighters are upending iraq, dragging america back into the fray. and today controlling a vast swath of territory stretching across both iraq and syria.
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joining me here in the studio is msnbc terrorist analyst evan coleman. thank you so much for being here, sir. >> thank you. >> the rumors are that he's something of an intellectual, that he has a ph.d. that he was a preacher before the u.s. invasion of iraq and that mobilized him in some way. what do we know about that journey? >> the most interesting things we know about him are from dissent members. supposedly he was a ph.d. candidate in islamic studies. he never achieved that. during the height of the iraq war, reportedly he was actually over in syria. he was basically running a safe house for communications between various different al qaeda leaders. and even though he wasn't a senior member of the group, because of the fact he was privy to their communications, this apparently pushed him far and farther up the organization. meanwhile, as they were losing a lot of their top leaders in iraq. so this guy is not exactly
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general eisenhower. he's not exactly someone with a wealth of military experience. and i think some of the mistakes he's made along the way would indicate that. >> so one of the contentious issues surrounding him is this dispute he seems to be in with bin laden's successor. tell us what it means for his potential ambitions against the united states. >> amazingly, al qaeda's official faction in syria was created by isis. they've acknowledged as much. nonetheless, ever since then, the two of them have been fighting each other to the extent that isis actually assassinated za war ri's personal envoy, al qaeda's official envoy to syria. they've been murdering left and right al qaeda operatives there, and they've been publicly telling them to get lost. this is the dumbest strategy i think i can imagine. why would you spurn your own allies? especially when you're fighting against both syria, iraq, and even now the united states. it doesn't make any sense, and again, it shows you that this guy is not nearly as sophisticated as some people
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make him out to seem. >> right. one of the striking things following these organizations is the disputes are as petty as in any bureaucracy. the stakes just can be a lot higher, as you illustrate, potentially ending in death. so one of the things he seems to be more savvy about is he's led isis to this incredible savvy presence on social media. that extends to the rise of merchandise for isis on sale around the world. a lot of it coming out of indonesia. our partners at a data mining firm firm grabbed a lot of images before facebook took them down of those sales of isis merchandise. do we know who's selling this and where the money is going? >> to be fair, some of this is commercial. there's a guy in pakistan who makes a ton of money selling american flags just so they can burn them. he's not a jihadist. he's an entrepreneur. nonetheless, there's a connection back. it's not just selling t-shirts either. we've seen twitter and youtube being used to disseminate phone numbers and bank accounts which people can use to actually send
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money directly to al qaeda and isis in syria and iraq. so again, that's the kind of stuff you're seeing out there. these social media companies have a responsibility to make sure this doesn't happen. >> it really is a brave new world. thank you very much. that wraps everything up. thank you all for joining me. "the reid report" with my colleague joy reid is up ahead. if you have moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis, like me, and you're talking to your rheumatologist about a biologic... this is humira.
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good afternoon, everyone. i'm joy reid. this is "the reid report." we begin with thad cochran's mississippi crossover miracle and charlie rangel's sweeker still too close to call, but not according to charlie. >> the chairman has won. >> we all have a right to be proud of our state tonight. >> this was your victory. this is your congressman.
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>> thank you very much. thank you for this wonderful honor. >> all i will be doing is thinking about you and bringing these resources home. thank you. [ speaking foreign language ]. >> also, the speak court justices announce decisions on two cases. pete williams will discuss what they mean. first, let's get to our election day after dateline mississippi. just three weeks ago, the death nail was ringing for senator thad cochran. >> mississippi, where a six-term senator is in serious danger of losing his seat. >> hold the phone on mississippi. the republican senate candidacy is now officially a run-off. >> thad cochran is now fighting for his political life after an unbelievably close republican primary last night. a lot of people are expecting cochran can't pull this off. >> p