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>> those who murdered james foley and steven sotloff need to know that the united states will hold them accountable no matter how long it takes. >> it's 1:00 p.m. on the east coast, 10:00 a.m. on the west. president obama is in europe and using his sharpest rhetoric yet. the isis video showing steven sotloff's execution is authentic. president obama responded in estonia this morning. >> whatever these murderers think they will achieve by killing innocent americans like steven, they have already failed. they failed because, like people around the world, americans are repulsed by their barbarrism. their horrific acts only unite us. >> and just moments ago, the mother of james foley, the other american killed by isis, spoke out about sotloff's family.
>> we send all of our love and hugs to them. unfortunately, they are sharing the pain we are. so we just ask the world to embrace them as the world has embraced us. it's helped us so much. >> our thoughts are with both of those families right now. we have a lot more coming up on the u.s. response, including my conversation about air strikes in syria. we're learning more about the two american missionaries who survived ebola. nancy writebol spoke in charlotte about her ordeal. >> there were many mornings where i woke up and thought, i'm alive. and there were many times when i thought, i don't think i'm going to make it anymore. >> the other survivor, kent brantly, spoke exclusively to our matt lauer. he said that he's friends with the american doctor who has been diagnosed, identified moments
ago as 51-year-old rick sacra. >> seeing another colleague, another foreigner, another doctor, another health care leader now brought down by this infection again, i think what you've state stated is a very real difficulty that we're facing in fighting this epidemic. >> and doctors without borders said that the world is, in their view, losing this battle with ebola, which has killed 1,550 since march when the outbreak started. in detroit today, a judge sentenced theodore wafer to 17 years in prison in the case of 19-year-old of renisha mcbride's slaying. mcbride's sister spoke about the loss. >> losing my sister was one of the most devastating times in my life. many days i sit and think about the good times we shared and how
it was cut short by a person's cowardly actions. >> mcbride was unarmed at the time on her porch last november as she sought help. wafer said this morning in court he's going to carry that sorrow and guilt with him forever. and turning to that celebrity photo hack, apple is denying that it was a breach in their icloud security. they said it was a very targeted attack on their passwords. eva longoria has seen systematic problems with apple's security. >> i've had a lot of problems with people breaking into my e-mail. >> hacked? >> yeah, my mac e-mail. not hacked. just people who get it from the stores and i had a big problem with that. >> what were they sending you? >> i made a dress, i want to send it to you. i work at the apple store here
in san antonio. >> all of this leaving the tech giant in damage control mode weeks before it announces the new apple iphone 6. now let's talk about isis following the murders of james foley and now steven sotloff. just this morning, secretary of state kerry talked about more action. >> we saw him killed by a coward hiding behind a mask. for so many who worked so long to bring steven and other americans home safely, this obviously was not how the story was meant to end. it's a punch to the gut and those who have murdered james foley and steven sotloff in syria need to know that the united states will hold them accountable, too, no matter how long it takes.
>> president obama taking heat for saying he has no strategy for isis. is now trying to convey clearer objectives. >> the bottom line is this. our objective is clear. and that is to degrade and destroy isil so it's no longer a threat, not just to iraq but also to the region and to the united states. >> did you just say that the strategy is to destroy isis or to simply contain them or push them back? >> our objective is to make sure that isil is not an ongoing threat to the region. and we can accomplish that. it's going to take some time and it's going to take some effort. >> some on the hill are calling for more action on isis and fast. that includes florida senator bill nelson, a member of the arm's services committee. senator, thank you for being here. i know steven sotloff was also from your state, florida, and now you're filing new legislation to give president obama explicit authority for air
strikes in syria. first of all, do you believe we have the intelligence for that? do we have specific targets to go after right now? >> i think we are because the president started the intelligence flights august the 25th. so it's an accumulation of information so the direct answer to your question is yes. >> bashar al assad in syria have said that going to syria for air strikes means working with him. otherwise, it's a breach of sovereignty. would working with that regime ever be on the table? >> not at this point. it's conceivable some period of time down the road we may. but right now we're going to work with the free syrian army, which is fighting on two fronts. they are fighting the assad regime and then they are also fighting isis. >> and you talk about working with the free syrian army. do you really view them as reliable partners on the ground? is there concern about flooding
with even more arms and even more training? >> there's always that concern but we have vetted and we feel a lot more confident of the free syrian army. i met with the president of the free syrian coalition recently over in turkey and they are coalescing around a group that is moderate that we can work with. >> senator, i want you to take a listen to this. a spokesperson -- >> like an army of sorts, they want to govern in a brutal way. they have aspirations to hit western targets. we also know that they have aspirations at going after western targets, including potentially american targets.
>> according to the intelligence that you're seeing, senator, how real is the threat of isis coming to american soil? >> well, it's real and you don't have to go to any classified intelligence. it's already been reported that of isis has said we're not going to start without the flag of isis hanging over the white house. so their intent is pretty clear. >> there are some in your own party, senator feinstein amongst them, that said the president is acting too cautiously. they have been very critical of this administration. do you agree with that critique? >> no, i don't. you are seeing the president move very deliberately and it's not like he doesn't have anything else on his plate. look, all the way from iran in the nuclear program to the middle east and gaza now to putin in eastern u krekraine an
here we're dealing with the isis threat. so the president is measured. he should be measured. he's going to put a coalition together so we don't have to put the boots on the ground in syria. and in that coalition we can go after these guys because we better do it now because sooner or later we will have to deal with them. >> well, talk about that issue of building a coalition. how much support is necessary before we move forward and what kind of action do you want to see out of this nato summit that the president is about to attend in wales? >> well, he's having those conversations in wales. he went to estonia today to give a very clear and it was an excellent speech, a very clear message that nato will stand and support article 5 supporting any of the members of nato i have
just returned from ukraine. i have called for us to help the ukrainian army. i thought they'd need gums and ammo but what they need is more up to date training of their army and expect that we will give them that. >> senator bill nelson on that legislation pushing for air strikes. appreciate you taking the time. >> thanks. the latest isis video was obtained by a group called site intelligence. before, isis wanted it released. that's the interesting part. we're going to hear from that increasingly powerful group that monitors extremists online. don't go away. shingles affected me tremendously as a pilot. the blisters and the pain in my scalp area and down the back of my neck was intense. it would have been virtually impossible in that confined space with the rash
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there's no group as successful and effective as isil is at using propaganda, particularly using social media. they have outpaced any other extremist group and how they used the internet to spread their message. >> the counterterrorism message center earlier today on the digital offensive at the heart of isis' success. but the online landscape faced by jihadist groups like isis is changing and fast. the terror group was actually caught off guard after the video of steven sotloff's beheading was released by the site intelligence group before isis itself was scheduled to distribute it. the intel group found that video on a file sharing site. the media arm of isis has been relying on the internet archive to host their videos, this after
they were is cchased off youtub. they are now doing more to remove violent propaganda but still facing criticism from some corridors for not doing enough. co-founder of the site intelligence group, the nonprofit that monitors jihadist movements. rita, walk us through your organization's finding this video. how did you predict where it was going to be uploaded? >> well, for a decade we've had the mission of following jihadist. we monitor their activities and go where they go. and being able to do something like that basically gives you the ability to know and predict how they will do and how they will upload their material. we know isis since the days of zaharie. we've been waiting for their
releases and analyzing them and really being part of the online community so by studying what they do, you can predict where they will be uploading their next release. and honestly, this is not the first time that we have been doing that. our subscribers know that occasionally we will send a video early because we find it on the sharing site as we think they will have it there. >> and what kind of activities have you seen in response to sites released? did the online chatter change? was isis upset? >> i think that they were not expecting that it's going to be leaked. the progression of the video seems to be more prominent by the james foley beheading. they were preparing to release it in other languages, including
german, russian and french in addition to the english one that we have. and so they were caught off guard with our release of their video being leaked. in fact, a few minutes after we released it, isis posted it on their social media account inl informing that they will be releasing very soon the video. however, since then it wasn't posted officially yet by the group. i have pretty much confident that they were not prepared for this and we embarrassed them. we definitely embarrassed them in front of all of the jihadists because it's the first time that something like this really happened to them where a major release like this ended up being leaked by an american group. >> it sounds like you were able to embarrass them because they have such a regimented process before they release these videos.
you mentioned just how many translations have to go online before they put a video out. walk us through the infrastructure isis has and what kind of steps they go through before releasing propaganda. >> isis has a very, very sophisticated and complicated infri infrastructure. you look at the fighters that fight and you see the brutality and potential of war zone but, in fact, the organization is well-structured with having several media organizations, the emphasis that the group put on media organization, distribution of the material, creating the material is unbelievable and i have never been able to see before is something so sophisticated and something so large when it comes to western media. we are all reading and talking about the fact that isis has thousands of western fighters
and the question is how are they getting there? it's very clear and simple when you follow their online activities, when you follow the infrastructure of the group. a group called the life, that group is dedicated to only one thing and that is the recruitment of westerners. that is the group that released the video two weeks ago of james foley. the group put about 15 to 20 releases on a monthly basis only in english, french, german, you name it of suicide bombers and other fighters that died or just a video of kids holding the flag of isis and calling on people to join the group. >> and that has been, as you say, the lifeblood of the recruitment effort. what is the most effective tactic for fighting back online? the u.s. government has been trying counter messaging?
some of these tech companies have been getting more aggressive about kicking off this content as soon as it comes up. what works? >> i never believe that counter messaging will be the only successful thing. we're talking about individuals that i usually describe in my speeches as individuals in their teenage where it doesn't matter what the parent will tell them, they will not listen to them. we have all of the different examples of prisoners that were inside the arabian and other air rain countries in special rehabilitation programs. at the end of the day, it didn't help. we are talking about people that live in their own world and nothing will change them. no kind of ideology. if you have one scholar that says the suicide operations are forbidden, once they are
recruited, they are extremely inside the bubble of jihad. i think that one of the most important things to do now is and they are trying to stop the communication with the outside world because a jihadi group like isis will not exist without propaganda. >> and you are certainly at the bleeding edge of doing exactly that. rita katz, thank you for the work that you're doing on this. we'll be tracking it closely. >> my pleasure, thank you very much. coming up, a battle in the skies over the right to recline. we've got a legal explainer on exactly what is at stake. just ahead, stick around. you're not going to believe who is going to work for russia's largest enemy company. yep, it's corruption in washington. all that, next. ♪
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video that was produced yesterday and it is, yet again, a barbaric act being undertaken by isil. the brutality is clear. >> joining me from london is chief global correspondent bill neely. the family has requested that nobody name or show images of this british hostage so nbc news is not going to do that. but what can the british government at this point do to help? >> the british reaction is one of complete horror from the general public. david cameron has reflected that at various times today. he spoke in the house of commons and said i have a very straightforward message. a country like ours will not be cow's by these barbaric killers. however, there is increasing pressure on david cameron, for
obvious reasons, to do something. the killer in these two videos is quite clearly someone with an english accident and the next hostage being held that he threatens to kill is someone from britain. there's great pressure on the government to do something. there was a meeting held by the british government called cobra and what can britain do? it's not normally in a position, like the u.s., to pay ransom. britain won't do that. it can't rescue that man because it doesn't know where the man is. and the minute british warplanes are not doing what american warplanes are doing and engaging in air strikes against isis, britain is caught in this position where it wants to do something and, indeed, david cameron's instinct to take
action but right now they are not doing that. here for a personal take is a former colleague of steven sotloff's, richard spencer, a correspondent for "the daily telegraph." i know you worked with steven sotloff. you've traveled with the same group a month before he did when he was on that route and he was ultimately captured. what was the story he was working on when he was out there? >> he was doing what a lot of us were doing, which is going to aleppo to see what the situation was there. it was a very important period in the war. the rebels were controlling aleppo. there's a lot of talk in the west about sending more arms to the rebels. they were in a strong position but also had this weakness and funds were running out and after
some key gains by the regime in the south, they were using troops north. so a lot of us wanted to go and see for ourselves what was going on in the front lines, to see whether any of these weapons that the americans had promised were getting through. there's a big incentive to go through. as you clearly -- as we clearly all know, there were very big risks. >> clearly, we've all learned how much was at risk as you have captured that story for us. phillip hammond said there will be the killing of this next british citizen. take a listen. >> it doesn't make any difference to us as the prime minister said, we will look very carefully at the options available to us to support the legitimate government of iraq and kurdistan in defending themselves against the threat from isil and if we judge the
air strikes could be beneficial, could be the best way to do that, then we will certainly consider them but we've made no decision to do so at the moment. >> the uk parliament was somewhat allergic to the air strikes in syria when they were first opposed by the united states. how much has that changed now? >> i think there is still a divide. there's a much greater sense in parliament that this group is a direct threat to britain and therefore must be countered. britain has an historic responsibility in iraq. perhaps it didn't in syria. we were part of the invasion in 2003 that many people blame for the current situation in iraq. we also gave an i am polimplicie to the kurds when they carved out their statement north of iraq which we know is only 20, 30 miles from the isil front
lines. but as you say, that video is a very direct threat to mr. cameron, the presumed killer says at the end, you know, your guy is next. so that saying that if britain joins in, we can expect the same to happen to this guy. >> an incredibly challenging situation for the uk just as it is for the states. richard spencer, appreciate it. another front in the global war on terror. new u.s. strikes in somalia targeting a leader of al sh shabaab. tomorrow i talk with survivors from the attack that group launched on the westgate mall in kenya. >> why do they do such bad harm to people? why kill innocent people? why shoot innocent people? why torture innocent people?
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fighting with russian weapons should stop fighting. and we have to remember, if if putin wanted to end this war this afternoon, he could do it. he just has to stop fighting. so it's good. it's good. i think what we're seeing is at least the possibility that putin doesn't want to keep fighting. that's a good thing. having said that, you know, the russian side i think has taken deception to new heights. heights we haven't seen since the cold war. >> a lot of cause for skepticism, clearly. >> i think what we want to see out of the nato summit is strong support for ukraine. we have to help the ukrainians defend themselves and we have to see not exclusively from the nato leaders but from europeans and g-7 is continued pressure. david cameron has been talking about cutting banks off of the swiss system so really cutting them out of the global financial system. i think that's really worth
considering. there needs to be consequences. >> would that be more economically meaningful than the current sanctions we've seen? >> absolutely. >> there is reporting on the tech offensive, ukraine fighting for its independence and the nerves of ukraine taking an interesting approach to this. our partners over there, provocative, as i mentioned, found that it is having an impact, this use of math and science. take a look. >> reporter: this looks like a regular mortar attack, part of the war that's been waging. it's actually something different. the mortar shell is being guided by a tiny drone financed by housewives and supporters over the internet.
as the ill-equipped army wran geled the pro-russians, militias, aka, battalions, have formed to fight the separatist insurgency. this is played out with a low-tech game of you steal my tank, i steal yours. >> our neighbor russia should take a neutral position. someone who enjoys watching a fight, let's say, between a husband and a wife and someone who would give a club to the husband and a knife to the wife. russia is a provacateur. putin is a provacateu rchr. russia is huge. and go live there. don't tell us anything about our country.
[ gunfire ] >> translator: the efficiency of the government is 1.5%. it can't handle any serious tasks. therefore, it's mainly the volunteers who supply the army. >> reporter: there are a number of volunteer outfits like this one that decided to crowd source the funds needed to equip the militia. arm dealers in their own right. >> most of the money was donated by housewives. so our priorities are low cost, speed, and quality. >> reporter: volunteers assemble and sell jackets, armor, and all sorts of combat equipment. it's the remote control drone,
the one kids aspiring to build with their mom and pop's cash that has given the putin-backed and then we destroyed. since childhood, i was always fond of aviation. our officers took notice of it. i received orders to leave my combat unit for this unit of nerds. >> translator: i am a computer programmer. as many other computer guys, i don't only work but i also spend a lot of time playing computer games that includes flights simulators. and this experience became very useful now because when you're operating a drone, it is, in fact, like playing a computer. >> reporter: so although the separatists have the mighty putin watching their back, these crowd-funded and self-proclaimed nerd units are fast becoming a key game changer in the fight
for a unified ukraine, so much so that the pro-russian separatists have allegedly put a price on this drone pilot's head. >> they sent a special group to capture us is a telling fact. i think it demonstrates how effective our work is. >> this is a patriotic impulse, the real one. all ukrainian leaders, including yanukovych, did everything to destroy the ukrainian army and is now trying to rise like a phoenix rising from its ashes. >> really an interesting window into just how innovative some of these fighting forces have become in their confrontation with russia. thanks for that report. you've written about how overall you feel the ukrainian offensive is succeeding, saying they are, quote, winning. tell us about what your basis for that claim is.
>> so what was happening really beginning with the election of president por row shoshenko is crowd sourcing. what you're seeing really is a crowd source defense of a nation and that was working and the prediction of the president is that by the end of the august these armed separatists were going to be pushed out of ukraine. ukraine's problem is putin really didn't want that. he didn't want the ukrainians to assume a gain control of their territory and that's why we saw the direct invasion last week. >> surprising games on the military tactical side and also promise in terms of putin backing down, we think, despite his tendencies? >> look, i think putin has shown us we can't trust what he says. having said -- and i think we also have to be really careful because there have been -- the nato meeting is happening now. the eu leaders have said that they are going to be talking about toughened sanctions.
it's not just a slight of hand to remove that western pressure and keep on pummeling the ukrainians. >> always a pleasure. >> great to be with you. up next, another flight diverted yesterday. you've been hearing about this all week. recliner rage is the root of the problem. what exactly is going on? is this a revolt in economy class? we dig into it after the break. i am so nervous right now, it's not even funny. oh my gosh... driver 1 you ready? yeah! go! [sfx] roaring altima engine woah! ahhhha! we told people they were riding nissan's most advanced altima race car. we lied... about the race car part. altima, with 270 horsepower and active understeer control. how did you?...what! i don't even, i'm speechless. innovation that excites.
and now to my executive producer's favorite story today. it is a favorite around the office. three flights diverted just in the past week. this is all because of physical altercations over, yes, you have heard about it, reclining seats in economy class. it started with a fight over this $22 gadget. it is the knee defender. specially designed for economy class flyers who need protection
from reclining seats. now it's a controversy everyone has a take on. whether the right to recline is, in fact, inalienable. joining me is nbc news legal analyst lisa bloom and paula froelich, editor in chief of yahoo! travel. of what is the legal argument here? do we own the right to recline when we buy the plane ticket? >> i don't think we have a legal right to recline. i travel frequently. sometimes my seat doesn't go back. i might complain a little bit but i don't think i have grounds for a lawsuit but i don't think people have the right to tamper with an airplane. i think that's a violation of faa rules. >> what's fascinating to me as i discuss this with me is there seem to be different standards for impeding other people's space on planes versus on the ground. paula, why is that? >> well, i think people get used to and especially americans, americans randomly enough are used to three feet of personal space.
and so they get on a plane and they only have a foot and a half and it tends to make them a little angry. >> i think it is the technical term, freak out. >> exactly. although i will say the craziest thing about this story is there was one woman who was so irate somebody was inclining that she insisted the plane land. i would be like here is our jet fuel bill. who is going to do that? i'm going to be like you have to land, the guy next to me took his socks off and they smell. >> you threw a wrench in to many people's lives but there are people i talked to who say i own that space, i want a knee defender. is that the term? they want to defend their knees. lisa, the faa doesn't prohibit these. should they? airlines are starting to. is that the answer? >> i think that is the answer. ronan, i have to tell you i just came back from a week at burning man filled with the hippie, groovy love vibe -- >> so you have no problem with
your personal space being invaded. >> that's what fly something all about. it's an unpleasant, awful experience. you don't get to take a device and deprive the person in front of you to lean back. that's just not considerate. >> it seems crazy anyone would think it's acceptable to block that and somehow get a bigger piece of the pie than everyone else. >> news flash, lisa, what were you wearing at burning man? >> look at my twitter page. >> lisa bloom on burning man. that is -- >> i think it's a little crazy. everyone knows they go on the plane, the seats recline. it's like is this your first flight? >> there are rutle el subtler wo do it. just push your knees forward. send a message. i would never. >> how about just being decent. ronan, let me buy you a couple drinks and i will pay you 20 bucks if you don't put that seat back. >> but there is something fundamental going on here. people pushing ban on these
crazy travel conditions. a lot of airlines have removed reclining function all together. >> if one person can't recline and the rest can, you can see how someone is going to get angry. if everyone can't recline, they're angry but it's the whole plane. you can't just look at one person and say don't recline. >> is this about equality? >> it is equality and as americans we fight for that right every day. >> perhaps american's second favorite thing after leg room, lawsuits. are we going to see lawsuits over this? >> you know, we might. it wouldn't surprise me. i personally wouldn't take that case in my law firm because what are your damages? a little mild annoyance. that's part of life. i mean, if i may return to the burning man analogy for a moment, it's a hot environment. there's no water, but people talk to one another and they're kind and they work it out. >> what we're saying between the lines is lisa really suffered at
burning man. >> i'm suffering from having to come home, yes, absolutely. >> lisa bloom, paula froelich, this was fascinating. i think we all understand not just this but many things now. >> many, many things. >> thank you. >> that wraps up today's "rf daily." it's time for "the reid report" with joy reid. >> welcome back. it's always good to see you. coming up next, president obama gets tough on isis. lawsuits are filed seeking to dig into the past of slain teenager michael brown and organizing for change. generation to generation. "the reid report" is next. it's time for the your business entrepreneur of week. ellen is the owner of the perennial gardner. she says main street retail stores can succeed if they make shopping an exciting experience and offer a big selection of
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president obama has raised the stakes with stepped up rhetoric against isis. >> whatever these murderers think they will achieve, they have already failed. our objective is clear, to degrade and destroy isis. those who make the mistake of harming americans will learn we will not forget. our reach is long. >> the president's remarks come at the start of his four-day trip to europe to weigh a global response to russia's agraetion against ukraine. you are looking live at the state department where we're expecting an update shortly. and then -- >> there were many mornings i woke up and thought, i'm alive, and there were many times when i thought i don't think i'm going to make it anymore. >> one of the two american missionaries who became infected with ebola and then recovered is speaking out. we know the identity of a third american doctor who has contracted the virus while treating patientings in liberia. president obama has just landed in great britain where he will next make the trek to wales for a meeting of nato leaders.
the meeting comes after a similar visit today to the baltic republics, a move meant to reassure leaders there of u.s. support in the wake of russia's moves against another former soviet satellite, ukraine. we'll have more on that story in a moment. in a meeting with nato the president and his european counterparts will be focused on the terror group isis in part because of video released tuesday showing the execution of a second american hostage but also due to worries particularly in europe that some of the estimated hundreds of young men who went to the middle east to fight with isis could one day return to europe more radical e radicalized. chris jansing is traveling with the president in estonia. >> reporter: good afternoon, joy. i think when you heard the president say our reach is long and justice can be served, a determination to get justice for the two americans who were so brutally murdered by asis extremists. the question, of course, is what to do next, and he will be going to the