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democrats in the senate to either beat a republican filibuster or kill the filibuster all together. ruth bader ginsburg is an iron woman. thanks to this remarkable new interview, we know that she is more bullish on democratic election prospects than anyone else in washington right now. if she is right, progressives, rejoice. if she is not, well, that is a big, big bet to lose. now it's time for "the last word" with lawrence o'donnell. >> rachel, some of the more fun days i had in the senate were the days when ruth bader ginsburg was using my office as her waiting room for her senate confirmation hearing.
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>> nobody is going to tell her what to do. that's exactly right. >> thank you, rachel. well, president obama got a unanimous vote at the united nations today, while the united states congress continues to refuse to vote on anything. substantial air strike -- >> against isis targets rate today. >> by the united states and arab coalition members. >> air strikes alone are not going to get this job done. >> another strong message against isis. isis sends one back. >> the horrific beheading of a french tourist. >> the barbarians have taken over again. >> a disturbing but not surprising reaction. >> forces us to look into the heart of darkness. >> the president led a meeting of the u.n. security council. >> resolutions alone will not be enough. >> we need the real commitment. >> you come from a great tradition. >> focusing in on young people who might be tempted to join.
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>> that stands for education, not ignorance. innovation, not destruction. >> they want to stop the flow of foreign fighters. >> individuals being radicalized. >> crushing an ideology is one of the most difficult challenges. >> he called out the oil-rich nations who helped propagate this. >> explicitly, forcefully and consistently reject the ideology. >> they want to have their cake and eat it, too. it's got to stop. in syria, it was the third night of air strikes on targets including oil facilities that the islamic state uses to collect as much as $2 million a day in ole revenue. today the president tried to enlist the united nations in the war against the islamic state. >> no god condones this terror. no grievance justifies these actions. there can be no reasoning, no negotiation with this brand of
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evil. the only language unld by killers like this is the language of force. so the united states of america will work with a broad coalition to dismantle this network of death. today i ask the world to join in this effort. those who have joined isil should leave the battlefield while they can. together with our partners, america is training and ekwaping the syrian rebels as a counterweight. but they need an inclusive, political transition in response to the aspirations of all syrian citizens. regardless of ethnicity. regardless of creed. cynics may argue that such an outcome can never come to pass. but there is no other way for this madness to end. whether one year from now or ten.
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>> and so, the president who was elected on the promise of getting the united states out of war in that region told the world today that we may be on the verge of another ten years of war there. after that speech, the president chaired the security council for the second time in his presidency where he masterfully led the council to unanimously approve a resolution to prevent suspected foreign fighters from exiting or transiting the territories of members of the united nations. and to increase international cooperation in tracking foreign terrorist fighters. >> resolutions alone will not be enough. promises on paper cannot keep us safe. lofty rhetoric and good intentions will not stop a single terrorist attack. the words spoken here today must be matched and translated into action, into deeds.
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>> british prime minister david cameron announced today that parliament will be recalled friday to vote on joining the u.s. for air strikes against the islamic state. of course, the leaders of the united states congress and the president have no intention of inconveniencing congress and demanding that they do their constitutional duty and vote for or against this new war in syria. joining me now, nbc news foreign correspondent aman mohadine and zach beachum of vox. to the oil revenue they went after, $2 million in oil revenue, how does the islamic state get that? if that can be stopped, what does it do to their capacities. >> it's part of president obama's strategy to degrade its capability. obviously isis is trying to function like a state. they are paying salaries, trying to collect revenues in some of the areas under their control.
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they're selling this oil on the black market. they geerting it on the black market it legally, withdrawing and trying to sell it illegally. some of it is being sold into turkey illegally. and ultimately that revenue then comes back for them to purchase weapons, to try to equip their fighters and to keep a semblance of a state funging in areas that they control. >> zach, any surprises today at the united nations? the limited nature of the resolution being about foreign fighters, trying to control their movements, getting a unanimous vote on that may have been within of the only things they could have gotten a unanimous vote on. >> that's right. no one is particularly surprised that everyone opposes people from their country going in and fighting for a radical jihadi organization. the difficult part at the u.n. would be getting any kind of international law authorization for u.s. military involvement there. particularly in syria, and with the air strikes that have been announced and started recently. russia is very supportive of the assad regime.
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>> i want so listen to some the president said today. >> leadership will be necessary to address the conflict between palestinians and israelis. as bleak as the landscape appears, america will not give up on the pursuit of peace. understand the situation in iraq and syria and libya should cure anybody of the illusion that the israeli conflict is the main source of problems in the region. for far too long that's been used as an excuse to distract people from problems at home. >> so aman, there's the president of the united states, diminishing the importance of the abe rab-israeli conflict, as it relates to the rest of what we're seeing there.
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and that is, of course, the american line and it's the israeli line on these things, that it's really just used as an excuse for people in the region. how does that go over in that room where many of the people in that room don't thank you it's an illusion. they think it's a serious factor? >> it would not go double play well in the arab world. when you talk about dealing with isis, it may seem on paper a far stretch from the israeli-palestinian conflict, but when you look at the grievances that have allowed this ideology to exist for decades and to become more and more extreme, it's not just the israeli-palestinian conflict, it's autocratic regimes. it's religious fanaticism. those are co-sent trick circles of this problem. you can deal with isis militarily. you can hit targets. but at the end of day, the key
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is to try to drain the ideology. that's not going to happen unless you address some of the core issues across the region, including the israeli palestinian conflict. >> he also said something many israelis might not have wanted to hear today. let's listen to that. >> the violence engulfing the region today has made too many israelis ready to abandon the hard work of peace. and that's something worthy of reflection. within israel. because let's be clear, the status quo in the west bank and gaza is not sustainable. >> clearly, the president wanted to be heard in the arab world on that particular point. >> that's right. the president is trying to toe a very thin line here. he's trying to say the conflict is an american priority. this is a big deal given the total collapse of the american-led talks this year and the war in gaza this summer.
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what he's trying to say here in this particular case is look, the israeli government hasn't done nearly enough to try to promote peace and make concessions to health, security and freedom. he's trying to put diplomatic pressure on them as well as appeal to the arab countries that will not be thrilled with this prior rhetoric. >> i found it virtually impossible for a reasonable person to sharply disagree with any line in the president's speech, which was well considered, it was thoughtful. but did not include the element that has been talked about in this country a great deal ramping up to this. and that is will this kind of military intervention work. that wasn't part of the discussion today. >> and that is a really good point, lawrence. at the end of the day, nobody is expressing support for isis. nobody is expressing they want that ideology to spread.
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at the end of the day, the debate is how you're dealing with it. it's not separate from the syrian conflict. there's a lot of hypocrisy that has sat by idly, watch 200,000 syrians being killed, not taking up arms to try to prevent it from happening, but then as soon as isis comes on the scene and they suddenly realize there's an immediate threat to their interest, you see a coalition forced pretty much overnight, involved in military strikes. it's one thing to stalk about stopping isis, but at the end of the day, there is an ideological problem not being ig noerpd i would vl really liked to hear president obama address, not just the funding that's coming out of this part of the world, but more importantly what can the u.s. do to try and reform, to put in good gofr nance, to try to get these countries to reform themselves so that these people cannot recruit, and cannot spread their ideology. it's not happening. we're returning back to some of the mistakes they made in the past supporting autocratic regimes. that's going to feel the
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ideology anymore. >> as much as aman might want to hear that, it's hard to figure out. if you had to sit down and do speech writing to that group today, work in any word against the kind of regime in saudi arabia tonight. >> the really sad thing about this is in 2011, there's an uprising between the arab spring and these autocratic governments we're talking about, but now the arab spring in a real way has given rise to isis and other militant groups such as in libya, the fallout of the arab spring is extremely dangerous and has been dealt with through cooperation with the regimes that the united states in the long run hopes would have been overthrown through these kinds of protest movements. it's a very, very depressing place to be in the three years after everyone had such tremendous hope for the region and the direction it was going.
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>> thank you both for joining me tonight. >> thank you. coming up, how president obama mentioned the killing of michael brown by a ferguson police officer today at the united nations. a and america's new war allies. nicholas kristof will join me on that. on our honeymoon, sara was glowing. years later, she still is. nice'n easy color looks lit by the sun with luminous lowlights and shimmering highlights. she's more radiant than ever. nice'n easy, for the most natural shade of you. my foot was destroyed when my vehicle was hit by an ied. i lost my right eye; damaged my left eye. so many of these men and women have, have sacrificed so much. through soldiers to summits, wells fargo supports our veterans by working together to climb mount whitney, these heroes begin their journey of healing. the wounds that you can't see, being with a team helps. you know if they can do it you can do it. step by step, little by little, we can do a lot.
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>> i realize america's critics will be quick to point out at times we have failed to live up to our ideals. america has plenty of problems within its own borders. this is true. in a summer marked by instability in the middle east and eastern europe, i know the world also took notice of the small american city of ferguson, missouri, where a young man was killed and a community was divided. >> you have to admit that america has problems of its own that we are far from solving. the justice department announced they will launch an investigation into the death of
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john crawford, a 22-year-old african-american man who was shot and killed by police at an ohio walmart in august. the announcement came after a grand jury declined to charge the officer involved saying he was justified in his actions. on august 5, mr. crawford was shopping at the walmart in beaver creek, ohio, when he picked up a b.b. gun designed to look like an assault rifle, took that off the shelf. that prompted another shopper to call 911. police said they open fired after mr. crawford failed to comply with commands to drop that so-called weapon that he was holding at walmart. joining me now is tremaine lee and dorian warren. dorian, this is one of those stories of black in america.
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we have countless images we could put up on the screen now of white americans carrying real rifles, real weapons publicly in stores around the country, blatantly. sometimes simply to demonstrate that they can do it. and here was someone who was doing something many of us have done, standing in a walmart, thinking about buying something. holding it in his hands. never waving it around, aiming it at anybody, nothing like that. he gets shot and killed by police for that. >> lawrence, there are two important facts for this. number one, let's put it in context. walmart is the largest retailer in the country. so what if he were in that store shop nrg a gun, number one. number two -- >> and this was called a b.b. gun. it's not really a rifle or gun, as we know. but they do in other sections of the store have real guns. >> in other sections they have real guns. the largest gun retailer in the country.
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what if he was really shopping for a gun? he was not. this was a toy gun. but ohio is an open carry state. so why the suspicion that ultimately leads to this black man's death in this case versus, for a white american who often can walk around in ohio, like you said, we might have images that we could show, rallies, walmart store, wherever it is, this is shopping while black. and the result is death. >> we've got the video up there now. there's a spot in the video where we can show him, where he's holding this. he's walking down the aisle. he stops at the end of this aisle. stops and stares at something else. and this is what gets him shot and killed. standing there like that. turns out another white shopper saw him with that, called 911 and police are watching him just
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about now is when they start to watch him at the other end of the aisle. and you will see, as he stands there, you will actually see him fall at some point from being fired on by police. the -- there's a spot that is -- it's a 9 is 11 call that got all of this started. are we going to see the shooting take place here now? because i don't want to cut away from that to the 911 call. this is the other piece of video that will show the -- what happens to him as he's standing there in that aisle. bang, he's down. there's the police officer who shot and killed him running down the aisle. that gun was never aimed, never turned towards that police officer. that police officer asked absolutely no questions. all he needed to see was a black
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man with that in his hands. let's listen to the 911 call that got this started. this same person who made that this same person who made that call, ronald ritchie, he has since said, quote, from him, at no point did he shoulder the rifle and point it at somebody. and to tremaine lee, the person who started this with the 911 call has corrected himself and says what the video shows, which is there was at no point any threatening motion from this. >> i think it's another thread in this big american quilt. the fear of black men is so pervasive, all it takes the
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appearance of a threat or not. he picked a toy gun off the shelf of the store he was shopping at. now police said he refused to drop the weapon. we can't hear the video, of course, we can't hear any audio, but it doesn't appear he shoulders it or makes any kind of move. protesters in ferguson and in new york, they have been protesting for justice for the lives of young black men taken so soon. this is still playing in the background. what does justice for black people in america look like? can you shoot black people down with seeming impunity. again, police officers not indicted, not charged. >> i want to read a statement by the republican governor of ohio. this is really important. he said, after talking with the attorney general and watching the video mooisz, i agree with
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his decision that a review 3wi the u.s. department of justice is appropriate. this is a tragedy for the crawford family and i share concern of many of the community as this matter must be handled with upmost seriousness and respect. so there is the governor of ohio saying he's not satisfied with what local ohio investigators came up with in this case. >> that's right. and as we know, as tremaine just said as well, this is not an isolated incident. this is a systematic pattern of lethal use of force against the suspicion of being a black person in public, whether in a store, on the streets. there needs to be a systematic look at this. the justice department needs to step in and find justice for this young man, but we also need a systematic look at our policing policies across our cities and across the country. do we train police or hire police? what they should do when they're confronted with a potential suspect?
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and the differences between confronting black suspects that are presumed to be extraordinarily dangerous from white suspects that are presumed to be innocent. >> on this program, we talked before about the talk that black parents have with their children about how to be extra careful in public and how absolutely normal conduct like running and other things can be misinterpreted. so now, do we add to the talk, do not ever touch a toy gun or anything that looks like a gun or a weapon of any kind that looks like a walmart or any other store that legally sells those things. >> unfortunately that talk we talk about so often reflects this sad state that we continue to be in america. we want everyone to be americans. we don't b all the hyphens, the african-americans, indian-americans. but when we have to raise our children to be reminded when you're out in public, you were different. when you ear interacting with the police, you are different. when you are in a walmart, you are different.
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make sure you have your receipts. make sure you don't make any movements. make sure you're extra polite and your pants are pulled up to your belly button. before we get to the details of these cases and they go through the justice system, the idea that we have to continue to tell our young black people. but one thing that i think is interesting, and i would be interested to hear with more white parents, are white people having this discussion about respecting each other and seeing each other as equals. >> thank you for joining me tonight. coming up, nicholas kristof will be with us to discuss the new allies in the war against the islamic state. >> we're working with a broad identity theft protection? [ male voice ] i'm sorry, did you say identity distribution? no. protection. identity theft protection.
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he's trying to make a path appear in a place where the path he's talking about has never appeared despite the efforts of all sorts of angles from military to diplomatic. >> yeah. i mean, i must say that i think he did need to go ahead and strike in syria. i thought today's speech was actually quite strong. and partly it was nuanced. he didn't overpromise. one of the dangers is, look, you can quite easily degrade isis. it's really hard to defeat it. and i think that talk about defeating it, you know, look, we've been after the taliban for 13 years, and yesterday and they're still going. and afghan president our hand picked leader there just denounced us for being the problem. there are all kinds of risks. i think he was right to order the air strikes.
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we need the dirty dozen of sunni allies we have there, but boy, it's a mess. >> talk about the dirty dozen of these allies. because, i mean, here we are saying, it's true. there's nothing in the region as bad as isis. that's pretty easy to establish. >> right. these are not saints. >> you don't want to be a woman in saudi arabia or some of these countries allied with us no uh. >> it was kind of iron that as the president was denouncing states -- or people who distort islam, who engage in beheadings, who repress women, that's saudi arabia. they behead people. they give women no political or economic role. and even other country turkey is busy repressing journalists right the and left. bahrain is kind of a sunni are ejeem but a shia majority. it's been brutally oppressive. qatar has been allowing money to funnel in towards jihadis.
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at the same time, the president is absolutely right. the perceptions are all wrong. if it's us against sunni extremists. it needs to be -- we need to have sunni allies on our side. it's just that we kind of have to hold our nose at the same time. >> this book is about doing the impossible. this is one of those books that is about optimism. it is about here is a problem that seems instraktable, be it poverty or clean water supplies. different things. different incredible challenges that people face around the world. >> let me push back again. it's not impossible. i think we in journalism, so much focus on all the problems of the world. we don't so much acknowledge actually how much problem there has been on these challenges. ill literacy, girl's education. blindness is one of those things that's horrifying things you see in the economic world. for $40 you can give somebody sight again. all those things are incredibly
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optimistic and inspiring. >> problems that feel impossible, they feel enormous, they feel impossible. it's kind of what was being discussed at the u.n. today. it is inconceivable there would be the kind of change of hearts a minds that you need in that region in order to have the dust clear and some kind of fair, civilized world be there. but we lived through a period where it was inconceivable the berlin wall would come down. apartheid would collapse. we saw those things happen. and this book captures that kind of optimism that has seen the impossible happen. >> yeah. and i mean, i do think that we have the proven tool boxes to address these problems. one of my objections is we overemphasized the military tool box and we haven't emphasized enough the education tool box, the eif male empowerment tool box. >> how do we do that at the same time? the military is under way. you've got to be able to do this at the same time.
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how do you do that when the bombs are falling? >> they're the same tool box. at the same time, you have 4 million syrian refugees in lebanon, in jordan, in turkey. you need to make sure that those kids are getting an education. that those girls have some involvement in society or learning skills, can involve themselves in society. we have to think about this right here at home. the education escalator in this country is broken, too. we can't just worry about education of syrian refugee, but also about the incredible inequities right here. >> the booing is a path appears. nick, thank you for opening our eyes to optimism. we need this these days. thank you very much for joining us tonight. coming up, bob costas is in the rewrite tonight, thanks to what he said right here last night.
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roger goodell knew about the tape of ray rice punching his wife in that elevator. and here is what he said. >> goodell, if he didn't know what was on that tape, he's a liar. i'm just saying it. he is lying. i think that dude is lying. if you put him up on a lie detector test that guy would fail. and it's such [ bleep ] bull [ bleep ]. i was so insulted. >> i personally have never heard of bill simmons until right now, i'm adding him to the list of my favorite sports commentators. next, bob costas keeps it clean in the rewrite. dawn? you won't last. a drop of dawn ultra has active suds that stay stronger longer, so you can clean 2 times more greasy dishes. dawn does more. so it's not a chore.
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in the "rewrite" tonight, bob costas gets the very last word. >> watch what happened when i tried to wrap up my interview with bob costas last night. >> we could keep this going all night. but i've got to get david axelrod out here. >> i will say this. the teammates of adrian peterson say he's a great father. he's great at fathering children. and that's not the same thing as being a great father. if the authorities have to be called in and there's 4 years old, no regional or cultural differences explain that away. it's a crime and a horrible crime. >> thanks for joining us tonight. >> okay, so there i was wrapping up the interview, thanking bob costas and he suddenly throws in the most talked about thing he said in the entire interview. now, bob was great every minute of that interview, by judging by twitter, that final comment
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about the distinction between simply fathering children and being a great father got the biggest reaction of the night. and when you're a guest on a show like this, you never get enough time to say everything you want to say, which is why i create a segment called "the very last word" which some of you have never seen because that segment is not on the tv show. it appears online at the the idea is because guests never get to say everything they want to say, let's give them a chance to finish their thoughts without the pressure of a commercial break closing in on them. so waiting for them, as soon as they walk out of this room is evan pushack with his hand held camera. and last night, the producer sat down with bob costas to ask him a few questions for his very last word segment. bob addressed the objections that some people raise about sports commentators offering
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social commentary after incidents like ray rice being caught on video knocking out his wife. >> like it or not, sometimes issues not only intrude with sports but sports sometimes becomes the best place to talk about it. dmesing abuse now, sports provides, as horrible as these incidents are, the best opportunity for a widespread cultural conversation because it's such a common denominator. the nfl appeals across demographic lines, across gender lines, across generational lines. it opens up an opportunity across the conversation. judiciously and carefully talking about issues that intersect with sports at the right time, in almost every case they're not saying this doesn't belong here. they're saying something i disagree with doesn't belong here. if you said something they agreed with or wanted to hear, it wouldn't be an intrusion at all. they would say good for you. you're saying you don't like
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what i'm saying for whatever reason. not that it doesn't belong there. >> gun culture in sports is something he's been criticized in the past. his answer is the best defense of gun safety laws that i have ever heard and uses the example >> let me put it this way. if someone says you to have insurance on your car, you ought to wear a seat belt, don't text and drive, don't drink and drive. there ought to be traffic laws to keep people safe. cars ought not to be equipped to go at speeds that belong in nascar races. the auto club doesn't say that's the first step towards taking our cars away and we'll all be back in horses and buggies. no one says you know what, nutrition is something we should
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think about. oh, you mean you're going to stop me from having a hamburger on fourth of july. not one taco bell or mcdonald's has been closed down since michelle obama said eat vegetables. it's just a good idea. guns, as the nra is always saying, should be in the hands of law-abiding responsible citizens. they should be the ones more concerned with how much irresponsible gun violence there is. doesn't it alarm somebody that greg hardy, who was found guilty of domestic abuse as part of the complaint threw his former girlfriend on to a couch on which was arrayed a bunch of shotguns and assault weapons, according to her testimony. now, thank god they weren't used. is it necessary in order to have a second amendment that greg hardy have an arsenal? or is there some middle ground here? and if somebody mentioned that that's possible, does that mean they want to repeal the second amendment?
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i don't think so. once you say guns, everything else goes out the window, at least to a portion of the country. am i hostile to the second amendment? absolutely not. am i hostile to somebody having a gun to protect their home and family? or to carry a gun for certain conditions or sporting purposes? of course not. but if we're talking about just professional sports, i'll sit and wait for somebody to give me an example of an athlete who, by having a gun, turned a dangerous situation around for the better. i'm not talk act the right to have one at home just in case. or to use it for sports purposes. that's not what i'm talking about. give me an example of a dangerous situation that turned the situation around for the better. happy ending. well, you're searching for that. i will begin to read almost an endless list of criminality, tragedies, folly, all so he
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shoulded with athletes having guns. that's what i was talking about when i mentioned a gun culture. if somebody thinks they have to stick a clock in their waistband to go to a club, they have the wrong idea about guns and they're going to the wrong clubs. you can see more at when you're watching the show, you can tweet suggested questions for our guests on "the very last word." then after the show, go to the website. we've got the posting. and next, remember the situation, who could forget him? well, now he's the indictment. ♪
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>> we got the safe part down pat. magnums. >> that's mike "the situation" sorentino from "jersey shore" back when people knew who he was. the situation and his older brother pled not guilty in federal court today for filing bogus tax returns on nearly $9 million in income. according to prosecutors, the brothers listed luxury cars, expensive clothes and personal grooming costs as business expenses on their taxes. no, mr. situation, tanning salons are not deductible. the wisdom of will i am is next. lets go base, shark, blitz. base, shark, blitz, break! when the game's on the line... okay, this is for the game.
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by working together to climb mount whitney, these heroes begin their journey of healing. the wounds that you can't see, being with a team helps. you know if they can do it you can do it. step by step, little by little, we can do a lot. because small is huge. >> every guy or girl had the opportunity to be the next bill gate, the michael dell, the next steve jobs. that should be america's freaking number one freaking priority. >> that is will i am speaking earlier today about the global citizen festival this saturday in central park which will be televised here on msnbc at 3:00 p.m. eastern. joining me now, ronan farrell. so i learned only in your
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interview today that apparently we, or perhaps just the guests can say freaking. i did not -- >> although he did use a stronger version of that, which was silenced, sadly. but the impact of the statement is still there. he is a surprising voice on this. he's really eloquent and detailed on education policy. and it's at the heart of what we should be talking about. the ocd said we're ranked last in terms of education equality. >> let's listen to more of your interview with him today. >> absolutely. >> there was a movie called "waiting for superman." and it talked about the educational system in america and how poor it is. more particularly, the thing that really hurt me was one of the schools that they talked about was a school my mom went to and the neighborhood that i come from. and the thing that really crushed me is the title was
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"waiting for superman." here's a fictitious character they're waiting for to solve real problems. i was like wow. they didn't say they were waiting for bill gates or waiting for rich people. they're waiting for government. it said they're waiting for superman. which really hit home. so i started putting together a bunch of people to help me, you know, change roosevelt in the neighborhood that i come from. these kids were, like, really, really in a muck. and now our kids are 3.2 and 4.0s. our kids are awesome. like seriously. my kids are going to china if they keep their gpa up. they're part of the first robotics program if they keep their gpa up b, and they do. they go to m.i.t. >> how do you think your tech endeavors can battle poverty that are going to be on display
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in the next concert? >> right now in the hood, there's some kid out there right now, he's going to be the next kobe bryant, the next lebron james. and that kid is going to be awesome. maybe the next jay-z. there's that guy in the hood right now. but there's nobody preparing to be the next steve jobs in the hood or bill gates. and it's not hard. because they all have iphones. they all have laptops. so that should be, like, the thing that we're all focused on to turn these kids in the hood, both men and women, every guy and every girl in the hood has the same opportunity to be the next bill gate, the next michael dell, the next, you know, steve jobs, all americans. these people are american. right? and they built big huge companies.
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and dr. dre, let dr. dre and beats be a sign of just how big you can make it. >> science and technology education. >> yeah, that should be the new hustle. it's the new language. i encourage kids in the hood to take a computer science course, aim to want to create apps. aim to be a part of this conversation. it's not just in the hood where there's a drought for education around science and technology, engineering and mathematics. it's even in the good hoods now. we're behind. >> will i am, i want that message to be heard. thank you for your time. >> ronan, what message are you trying to deliver on saturday afternoon? >> i think the important thing this is the opportunity to get out of the normal star wattage and have infrastructure around this social change. you can't buy a ticket in this concert. you have to perform discrete action like changing education in equality.
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you accumulate points through doing that and that's how owe gt in the audience. >> how many people are you expecting? >> a couple thousand in the park there. >> it starts at 3:00. there's a lot of people on this. >> this actually, we'll have the entire event starting at 3:00 in the afternoon starting in the evening. it's going to be a good time. i think more substantive than you usually see from this kind of celebrity activism. >> and you will be there, alex wagner will be there, chris hayes? that's going to be fun. msnbc's live coverage of the global citizen festival is this saturday beginning at 3:00 p.m. according to my teleprompter. thank you. >> you're a gentleman and a scholar. always a pleasure.
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>> targeting evil. let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. another beheading. this time a french citizen by an isis ally in algeria. the killers call it retribution for france joining the u.s. air strikes in iraq. this come as president obama calls on the world for action against isis demanding the country stop giving money and stop spewing the hate filled ideology that fuels the terrorist group. obama used all of his skills at the u.n. today. his goal was to recruit a global possie capable of degrading and eventually destroying isis. he made clear today he wants country to takes concrete steps and will be taeg keeping tabs on whether they may be delivered or not.