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get it, what it's like to be him. right now. when he hears that sound over there, just the sight and waits to know what his commitment to serve and to his country could cost. god bless the good soldier, god bless the good veteran who knows of what i speak. that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. "all in" with chris hayes starts right now. >> tonight on "all in." >> violence will not be tolerated. >> the governor of missouri announces the national guard is on standby as ferguson braces for a grand jury decision. >> when the announcement is made, there's no amount of force keeping people from the streets. >> today's escalation in ferguson. then, president bernie sanders? the independent from vermont makes a big campaign move and he's here to explain. plus, overrun by protesters. how do drug cartels gain such a stronghold on a mexican government?
and america is now officially ebola-free. good thing we didn't freak out about all of that. >> ebola or isis or ebola on the backs of isis could come through our border? >> "all in" starts right now. >> good evening from new york. the national guard is officially on standby in anticipation of the grand jury's decision of whether or not to indict wilson who came earlier today at a rather stunning press conference called by missouri governor. has continued to be part of our available when we determined it is necessary to support local law enforcement, quite simply, we must and will be fully prepared.
>> in flanked by top regional police officers will not be toll rated. in immediately following michael brown's death, marred by sensely eless acts of violence and destruction. vandals smashed the windows of small businesses. set fire to stores. endangered citizens exercising their first amendmented rights. >> their ugliness. >> over the past several weeks, speculation has been rampant that a grand jury is coming any day. that anticipation has been fuelled in part by a grand jury. a speculation so intense that bob mccullough wrote a letter yesterday saying any and all claims of an announcement, especially social meal e media
are ranked social media and should be ignored. the people across the state and world are reporting that 61 felony suspects had been killed last year alone. add e at a u.n. panel saying their son was treated as "less than human." brown's parents pled for peace but said the protests will continue. >> we understand that our son is gone, but the movement will be that we're trying to make sure that this doesn't happen to anyone else. that no one else has to feel how we feel. so, yes, if fro test will carry on. >> the brown family told msnbc that the police are getting ready for war and they should be getting ready for a trial.
that, to me, says they already made their decision. police and activists are braszing for that decision. the guardian reported last movant that the st. louis county police have spend $130,000 among activists for officials to agree to rules of engagement, including 48 hours notice of the grand jury decision and safe zones. and in ferguson, businesses have been getting ready and many residents are preparing for the worst. >> if history is any indication of what's going to happen when this verdict or, you know, this announcement comes down, it's going to be pandemonium. we are preparing for the worst. >> but for a local gun supply shop, preparing for the worst means business is good. gun sales tripled over the last weekend alone. >> august, there was fire in the streets, there was protesting, there was looting, there was rioting, there was damage to property. people saw an isolated neighborhood being attacked.
those folks in that neighborhood want firearms to protect themselves, right? now we don't know where the attack is going to come from. we don't know what violence is going to be. so the fear of the unknown has got the entire metropolitan st. louis area afraid. they're literally afraid because they don't know if it's their neighborhood or their next door neighbors. >> trymaine lee, great to have you here. that interview, you could do a whole block on that interview. on one level, you've got folks in the met ro area who are scared about rioting. let's keep in mind, there wasn't a ton of that. in the grand scheme of things, that was fairly limited. you have folks in ferguson, the other community, fearful of what the decision will be. and all of that just sits over the whole met row area. >> now, for the better part of a decade, that will cover the nan manner of unrest.
now, you can expect it to return. but when you look at law enforcement, the kind of building over there, the arsenal weaponry, you look at the past weekend, the gun sales tripling. you hear that gun owner saying we don't know where the protesters are going to be. they could be your neighbor. this kind of speculation and fear is really trushling. even at the very gining, we didn't see wholesale, 500, 600 people turning on police. >> we're going to play foot age footage later in the show it's just on another planet compared to the kind of thing we saw in ferguson. everyone is keeping in mind what we saw the first time around. emp the press conference to me today was a symbol of how strange this process has been. no one thinks there's going to be an indictment. no one. you can't find anyone. and in preparation for the announcement, it was just so
bizarre. but also a kind of acknowledgment that, yeah, we sort of feel like we know where this is going. >> around, also, that kind of hard-lying tonal. that we're saying we're going to protect property and protect lives. but meanwhile, there's this hard dividing line between those out there protesting and those fighting for their first amendment rights and expressing themselves. the good people of that region, which, again, is very troubling. those same people on the one side of the line are going to that gun shop and buying up all the guns. so what happens when 500 people do take to the streets if there is not an indictment. will they be met with rubber bullets? >> and i think if we played back what happened to ferguson the first time around, often, the more forceful and provocative police action were -- that sort of set the tone for the tenner of how protesters would act. it always seemed to be initiated
by police shows of force. and what you have here is you've got spending announcements that makes you think they're going to come out heavy. >> right. and you thought maybe this would be a moment that the government would come out and say listen. we'regoing to do everything possible to make sure everyone has the opportunity to peacefully exert their first amendmented rights. that's not what the tone was. the tone was you act up, we're cracking heads. that's the kind of big take away. >> and the other thing about this, you and i were talking about this. we're reporters, right? i don't want to get out ahead of the facts. you and i are talking only because of the sources that you and i both have. but, am i wrong? have you talked to anyone who thinks there's going to be an indictment here? >> i haven't. but are we caught up in this vacuum? >> right, a self-fulfilling prophesy. >> exactly. exactly. maybe testifying wednesday or
thursday, perhaps. and so there's still -- they haven't come to their decision unless the governor knows something we don't, a decision has not been made yet. >> that's the question, i think, right? the question of do they know something we don't. when i talked to folks in the community and the activists and just community members, the sense the fix is in, which i'm not saying that's true, i'm saying the perception of the process has been very much that. this pours fuel on that fire. clearly, they all know and they're all meeting about it. and they're just going to make their preparations and announcement. >> it almost seemed like every step along the way. people in the community and resident and protests will say this, we don't trust them. or they've been ill-treating black folks for a long time. we can't trust the prosecutor and then there's all of these leaks from the grand jury.
it's almost like the folks in charge are giving every opportunity for those who doubt the system to maintain those believes. >> that's a great point. every time things are met with distrust towards the authorities, the institutions that are charged with seeing out the law there, there respond with misfiring that trust. >> joining me now, jeff smith and advocacy of the new school, author of "ferguson: black and white." let's talk about -- i want to talk about this tweet from our own alex siets walld. and he made a great catch which is an nra hat that he's wearing there. member of the nra, i'm not going to tell him what he should wear. but there just seems to be so much bound up. when you look at the gun sales tripling and your deep knowledge of the politics of that area, what are you thinking? >> not a lot of people know this. i think we talked about this a
couple months ago. james nolls was the head of the young republicans in saint lewis. it seems a little incongruous that an area with a population that's nearly 70% black would elect a conservative, republican mayor who brags about his allegiance to the nra. that's where we are right now. and the pace of the demographic change has rendered in a town where the actual people who live there are not represented very well in the corridors of power. >> you and i have been talking all throughout this. and you've been valuable in your political sitwaegs. from a political standpoint, what was he doing there? what was he trying to accomplish? who was he talking to? >> i think he's talking to the media of the area. when you try to understand governor nixon, you have to understand where he came from and how he spent his political career. he was a conservative democratic
state senator, strongly pro-life, pro-gun, a county in which i would guess right now, 90% of the people living there probably sympathize with darren wilson. >> he was a long-ordered guy for 16 years. >> yeah. they called him the eternal general instead of the attorney general because he served four terms. usually, texas, virginia and missouri would be the three states that excuted more people than any other states in the country. so what you saw today was a continuation of his long, political career. he's always been a law and order kind of guy. you didn't see a lot of self reflection or introspection today about some of the mistakes that were made a few months ago. you just saw a continuation of the hard line. >> you're very plugged in to the political class. what are those discussions like? what do you think is going through the heads of people there? what's so strange about this, clearly, everyone is in
preparation and had been in preparation for two months. >> i don't think what we saw today is indicative of a lot of conversations going on in the corridors of power of st. louis. people in the mayor's office are very acutely aware ovt deeper issues at stake here. they're working very hard not just on employment issues among young males, they're working on edge kagszal disparities, they're working very hard to try to get a police community. there are substantive conversations taking place around the city to get at the root cause of some of this anger. >> there's this har harkening back to a silent majority of law and order that's very familiar with the name nixon floating around that we're seeing here when you talk about the median voter, it's important for folks to understand that the preponderance of folks probably in met ro st. louis are worried about rioting and whatever the grand jury decides is probably the right thing.
>> yeah, that's not just speck ration. there have been surveys of saint lewis county. about two-thirds don't see this as being indicative of a systemic problem. there's a real disconnect. you've been there. you've been own the ground. >> jeff smith, thank you. always a pleasure. >> protesters shut down an air port in mexico and the company struggles a crisis of what some say quiet simply is a narco government. that's ahead. [voice echoing] no one at all! no one at all! no one. wake up! [gasp] oh! you okay, buddy? i just had a dream that progressive had this thing called... the "name your price" tool...
facing who left for china over the weekend to join president obama and other world leaders for a trade mission. even as protesters set fire to the door of his ceremonial pal palace in mexico city. he filed this report from acapulco. >> by mid afternoon, protesters led by the parents of the 43 students disappeared on the 26th of september have taken control of the airport. mario gonzalez's son is one of the students. >> translator: a corrupt mexico, a mexico of impunity. of poverty. >> since the federal government apprehended the mayor where the students went missing along with several police officers, the federal government is receiving threats from at least one cartel. the united warriors has been hanging narco barriers to bear a chilling threat.
of the 22 detained are not free, they will release the names of the politicians who have supported their criminal acts. francis cole, your reporting has been excellent on this. i think the thing that is so striking for mexico is the degree in which it appears the united warriors and the local government are essentially two sides of the same coin. >> in that particular town, as in so many other towns throughout mexico, essentially, you can't really distinguish local government from organized crime. there's been a -- there's not even quite a takeover, a kind of fusion of the two. and in iguala and in so many other parts of mexico. >> so why -- why is this -- how
did this come to be? obviously, drugs are a huge industry in mexico. i've read somewhere the cenola cartel, which is the largest bringing in revenues, somewhere on the par of facebook, is it just the money? how long has it been the case that this kind of inextricable link between the cartels and the government has been true? >> well, this is just such a problem that's been allowed to develop over so many years in mexico, chris. it's -- it's -- you have -- you know, chains of complicity. what we saw in the iguala case, it's what really made this case the drop that makes the class e glass spill over. in this particular case, it was so clear to everybody who was looking at it once it evolved, you could see how the chains of complicity were on the line from a small, local police force that had probably been intimidated and taken over by local government in hand with the
local cartel. you realize though, that fwh this state, this mayor who is part of a naught of complicity and associations from the governor who used to be with the governing party. was a close associate of the president, the actual mayor who was very skom e come come police sit. you realize that the kidnapping of the 43 students, it became clear to everybody, was a crime that never should have happened. if people from the very top paid attention to the news reports that they received from the
beginning, the attorney general's office was informed over a year ago about the iguala mayor's connections to organized crime. they decided not to do anything. and that's because there's long been simply a pact of complicity and impunity throughout mexico's institutions. the government. to simply let these things fester. rule of law, to government institutions and people in government institutions. that's what mexican impunity is. >> so part of the problem, it seems, is a problem similar to the problem that italy faced in particularly '70s, '80s and '90s when they were trying to break the back of the mafia strangle hold, following some uncorrupt part of the state that can crack down. when everything seems so -- you just talked about the government of acapulco who had to resign over this who is president of mexico himself implicated.
where can you find some kind of leverage that can actually break this apart. >> that's really the problem. it's really, like they'll say in mexico. you're not going to get the governing party to investigate the prix. somebody has to take charge. somebody has to say mexico really needs to begin to police itself. right now, if you're going to begin to institute a kind of rule of law in mexico that can be aimed to protect the people from this kind of degradation, somebody has to take charge and begin at the top and begin a kind of legal purge of the corrupt mexican state. but that's not going to come from the state. what i think what we're seeing, though, and the reason that this very frightening situation, this situation which, at the moment, would fail all the political parties that have been
discredited, mexico, for the first time, all the people in mexico really seems exposed for what it is right now. in a certain way, this is creating for -- as terrifying a this moment is, it's creating a moment of opportunity. why? because finally, i think, the country is coming awake. the civic movements are coming awake. we see the truth has been as well as violent ones. and it's, you know, mexico, for all of its problems, it does have elections. there's going to be midterm e lerkss next year. it's a chance, a slim chance, but a chance for mexico to turn its back, i think, probely, on the established parties and try to reinvent itself right now. look for new leaders, new movementeds, new parties. that's what people are really -- that's what people really want to see come out of this right now. >> francisco goldman, thank you very much. >> all right. it's official. america is ebola-free. that's ahead.
period of self monitoring. so america is now, officially, ebola-free. that makes ron klane the world's most effective czar since peter the great. health experts all along said ebola would very likely be contained in the u.s. that's why all the commentators were so calm instead of panicking or trying to score political points. >> let's get right to that fox news report with the ebola scare. >> ebola, what a mess. >> all flights from west africa should immediately be discontinued to the u.s. >> just as a precaution until we get things under control, seal
off the border. >> isis terrorists now reportedly urjing supporters to use a new weapon to kill us westerners. ebola. >> meanwhile, we have a border that is so porous, ebola isis or ebola on the backs of isis can come through our border. >> should pets exposed to the ebola virus be ewe thanized. >> there are now doctors saying that we're not so sure that it can't, in some sense, be transmitted by airborne. >> clearly, this doctor wasn't taken seriously enough. >> he's still out there and not self quarantining. >> rick, i'm going to start with you because you said this is president obama's katrina moment. >> that's where we are. many people frightened and angry that ebola may spread throughout the u.s.a. >> what's that? you're saying that because you don't want people to panic? you don't want us to panic? how about i don't want us to
f.b.i. director told a group of reporters on the record that dr. martin luther king, jr., was, "the most notorious and a danger to the american way of life. two days later, king was asked about being called a notorious liar by the head of the f.b.i. >> dr. king, what is your reaction to the comments made by j. edgar hooverer. >> i was quite surprised by mr. hoover questioning my integrity. quite frankly, i don't know what motivated this. >> well, we now know a lot more.
one year earlier, dr. king has delivered his i have a dream speech and the f.b.i. has named the most dangerous negro of communist influence does exist in the negro movement and can influence large masses of people. it seems hoover and the f.b.i. were convinced that martin luther king were trying to bring about a communist overthrow of the united states. and their attempts to discredit king went far beyond just calling him a liar. the f.b.i. placed bugs in king's hotel room, tapped his phones, bugged his apartment in at lan that. while hoover found out very little about subterfuge, he did begin to learn about king's extramarital affairs. and that brings us to one of the most shames of the american government. today, the "new york times" published a full, unredakted letter sent to king in 1964. it's an utterly shocking
document. a letter accuses king of being "a filthy, ash normal animal who's engauged in sexual or jills at odds with his claims to morality with dirty, evil companions, male and female. the calling king a great fraud and pleat lieblt. the truth is it was written by one of j.edgar hoover's top men, william sullivan. he had a package of king sex tapes prepared by the f.b.i.'s lab technicians wrote the accompanied poison pen letter and sent both to king's home. sullivan's letter ends with what seems like a call for king to kill himself. king, there is only one things left for you to do.
you know what it is. there is but one way out for you. you better take it before your filthy, abnormal, fraudulent self is bared to the nation. the f.b.i. sent that letter to a man who is widely, and rightly seen as a secular saint. a moral beacon for the 20th century. it was such a shameful moment. the f.b.i. director keeps the request to bug king on his desk as a reminder. author of that new york times magazine essay. what an uncensored letter to m.l.k. reveals. first of all, how did you find this thing? >> i really just happened upon it. so the letter itself has been known for about 40 years at this point. but we've only seen it in the sort of redacted versions. and i was going through a new set of hoover's official and confidential files h which were really the secret files that he
kept in his office. they had been reprocessed and finally returned over to the national archives and i was amazed to see this letter there finally with all of the redactions removed. >> i've got to say, when you know about hoover's obsession with king, it's so obsessive. what do we know, if anything, about who wrote it or read it or if it was done at hiss direction? >> we don't know a lot technically about whether or not hoover knew that the letter was being sent. i think it's pretty clear that sullivan wrote it and kind e kind of took charge of the operation. a lot of it has to do with
king's sex life and hoover's real interest in that. >> this, of course, is the grandest historical irony of them all. there's in bizarre kind of irony covering a relationship with a man who liked to cross dress. this is the kind of guy who was so no cussed on the bedroom life of a figure. it's almost an epic amount of projection on his part. >> we don't actually know that hoover cross dressed. wae wae in the '50s and '60s is a place where a lot of people
had sexual secrets. we've become very, very accustomed to seeking secret lives of our politicians and celebrities all over the front page. but it was a much more kind of secretive world and secretive time. hoover knew how to keep those secrets and knew how to expose them. >> a remarkable detail is that the f.b.i. and their campaign of constant character assassination tried to leak media bits. i was pretty amazed by that. >> in some ways, it's the most surprising part of the story now because we tent e tend to think of hoover as someone who would do this sort of thing if e even if this particular sort of thing seems outrageous. but what's really surprising is they went around sort of saying we've got this information about martin luther king, you might be interested.
and the press really didn't want to print it, in part, because that was the sort of press culture in washington. in part, because i think they recognized it as an effort to take down king in particular and they recognized the kind of racially charged nature of what was being pedaled. >> befrerly gauge, thank you so much. >> thanks, chris. >> the potential president shl candidate lots of people are talking about later. he's going to join me ahead. ni,
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democratic strategist tab devine to guide his white house bid. it doesn't get much more establishment than devine. it goes all the way back to the carter administration. he was a senior advisor in al gore's presidential qualm pain in 2000 and john kerry in 2004. joining me now, senator bernie sanders, chairman of the senate committee on affairs. are you running for president? >> correct. tad is part of an inner circle, an old friend and somebody i continue to talk to. but i have not yet made a decision about whether i'll be running. >> but you are talking about this with him? >> yes, i am. i'm talking about this to people all over this country. look, chris, there is massive
disaffection and dissatisfaction in this country with what's going on. the middle class is disappearing, we have more people living in poverty than almost any time in the history of america. and the gap between the very, very rich and everybody else is growing wider and wider. and people aring is, what's happening to america. how come the average person works longer hours for lower ages and 95% of the income goes to the people on top? so the people, i think, want to hear an analysis, an understanding, of why the middle class is going away. they want people to begin to stand up to the billionaire class and develop strategies which protect working families. >> so let me ask you this. you're not -- you're an ind pen
dent in the senate. you caucus with the democrats. if you were to run, would you run the democratic primary? >> that's a question i'm just getting -- first of all, i have to decide whether or not i will run. and the answer of that has to do with the kind of grassroots support that may or may not be there. are people prepared to get engaged in a grassroots, unprecedented campaign in which we are taking on the incredibly powerful billionaire class. that's the coke brothers, the insurance companies, the drug companies, the people who own america. is there the energy for people
to begin to be engaged in that type of campaign? or are people sufficiently demoralized? how do you raise the hundreds of millions of dollars -- i don't get campaign contributions from the billionaire class. can you do that? i've got to answer those questions, chris, before i make the decision. >> one of your biggest decisions is veter ran affairs, you chaired that committee. obviously, today is veter ran's day. and, you know, we had this huge scandal blow up in may about long wait times, about the cooking of the books at various v.a. facilities and the inadequate care. and then you and senator mccain came together, passed a bill and then we all lost the threat. did things improve? did it work? so give me a status report? >> hey, chris, thanks for asking. i think most of the media has forgot to ask that question. let me just back up and say a few things. what happened in phoenix and elsewhere where people are lying about the waiting period, totally un5:00 septemberble. those people must be punished. but, on the other hand, let me tell you something. veterans throughout the state of vermont and veteran's organizations all over america is that when people get in the v.a., the quality of care is quite good. and that the v.a. is on the cutting edge in a number of
medical areas in terms of the exo skeleton development which will allow people with spinal cord injuries to actually get on their feet. so to answer your question, i worked with senator mccain, we passed a $16.5 billion piece of legislation which will fro vied significant new money for the v.a. to get the doctors and medical personnel they need. there's also the question of -- aside from funding, there also seems to be the question of accountability. are the people who are engaging in this, you know, messing with the records, have they been punished? has there been acountability? and has there been the kind of reorganization that might have been needed as shown by the reporting that we learned of, to make the v.a. run better. >> secretary mcdonald is, i think, a very serious guy. and i think he is tackling these issues. i know some republicans would fire half of the v.a. tomorrow.
it can't happen. what you want to do, when you fire somebody, you want to make sure that if they appeal, you have the evidence to make that firing stick. but i do know he is working very, very hard. the other thing he has done is worked aggressively to reduce the waiting times. essentially, what the scandal was about is that you have in phoenix and elsewhere, people waiting much, much too long to get into the v.a. that has to do with the lack of doctors and nurses. he is working very hard and, in fact, successfully to lower waiting times. >> thank you. all right, what's missing for veter rans when they return to the u.s. after their service? our next guest has a really illuminating answer and that's ahead.
so, about a year ago, i took my daughter to the playground and we are hanging out at the sand box and i got to talking to a neighbor of ours. and he's telling me about tours all around the world and he was a navy held kopter pilot and friends and asoes yats of his had when they faced when he got back home. it's something that stuck with me ever since. he was describing how tough it can be. an oriented existence where everything that you do is coming back and just having a regular job.
collecting a paycheck. he described this kind of vert goe. and they told me about the organization he worked for that strives to keep that sense of purpose and service going for vetters when they get home. it's called the mission continues and it serves hundreds of veterans around the country. joining me now, and my neighbor, good to see you. >> good to see you. very well. thank you. >> tell me about the kind of stuff -- you were doing this project today in the bronkx that was i was very interested in. what were you guys doing today? >> consistent with what we do with the missions all across the country. we empower today's veter rans to serve their country. they picked up a variety of different tools and embarked on neighborhood revitalization. they were in community-board vooif, which is one of the most disadvantaged districts in our country.
and they were taking part in a year-long commitment to restore a sense of bride to that neighborhood. that's consistent with what teams of veter rans are doing all across the country, whether it's restoring a wildlife habitat in seattle or here in southeast d.c. or building a home for disadvantaged kids in dallas. veterans are saying what we want to do when we continue home is serving. >> you've kind of built this architecture so that people right-hand turn just doing this as one off, right? they're part of some kind of larger, coherent structure that, in some ways, sort of mirrors what they had when they were in the service. >> absolutely. so today's -- this generation of veterans served for a very long time. they served in tough conditions in tough areas and they had a long term, voluntary commitmented to the milt e military.
and that's what they're looking to do here at home. we have gone through a strange period in this history. it's the longest period of war in the nation's history. it's the period where there has which the amount of fighting has been intensely concentrate among the relatively small number of people when you look at the total population. do you think our culture is properly equipped or prepared for the period that now comes after that if we ever come to the end of this period? >> there are two halves to a veteran's life. the first half is in their military service. their service as a veteran.
today's generation is poised and ready to follow in the foot steps of other generations of veter rans, to serve their country on the way home. and many of them are dealing with challenges. we're not discounting the fact that they're coming home with visible and invisible scars of service. but we believe that there's a positive story that today where them coming home. they're equipped to deal with those challenges just as they're equipped to the tough challenges that our communities are facing. >> there's something that you get from service, obviously in this very different context, that gives you something to hold onto when you make this transition back to what must be an incredibly different experience if you were just in the desert or in the wilds of afghanistan. >> yeah, we're fortunate to partner with academic institutions like wae washington yumpbt university and harvard
yumpbt. it actually do e does things like increases networks. it strengthens the bonds of families and communities. it improves health and wellness. >> spencer, my neighbor, great to have you leer. >> good to see you, chris. >> that is it for "all in". >> thanks to you for joining us this hour. sourss now tell nbc news that president obama is nominated to be the new attorney general of the united states. loretta lynch, federal prosecutor, she will not get a prosecutor, she will not get a confirmation vote any time soon. the democrats control the senate right now. democrats will continue to control the senate through the
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