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some of them hardworking people that just need a way to take care of the health insurance for their families. to be a patriot you can't just love the country, we have to love the people in the country. thanks for watching. i'm al sharpton. have a great weekend. "hardball" starts right now. >> eyeball to eyeball. let's play "hardball." good evening from washington. estate where american government is supposed to function and the laws are to be written or instructions are to be given on enforcement accident but all the evidence shows we are heading towards a moment in american history when a policy on which noncitizens are permed to live and work in the country is about to effectively be set by the president of the united states. again, by all the evidence, this
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action by the president is expected to make a national explosion. as i said, president obama is poised to overhaul the nation's immigration system by legalizing millions of immigrants. the republican party pitch forks are out. they shut down the government and nearly sent the economy into a tail spin. now they picked up the majority and said they ain't seen nothing yet. >> it's like waving a red flag in front of a bull to say if you guys don't do what i want, i will do it on my own. >> surely the president understands the kind of explosion that would occur up here. if he takes that unilateral action. >> we will fight the president tooth and nail if he conditions down this path. all options are on the table. >> tonight president obama responded to the threats, this message to republicans, bring it
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on. >> they have the ability, but they can't expect me to stand by with a broken system in perpetuity. i would advice if in fact they want to take a different approach rather than devote a lot of time trying to constrain my lawful actions, as the chief executive of the u.s. government in charge of enforcing our immigration laws, they spend time passing the bill. >> the round table tonight, the political reporter for "the washington post." the bernard center for women and the congressman jack kingston. the president said he will do this. within the next week or so, he will pull the plug. >> it's a question of timing, not if he is going to do it.
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hearing from democrats and the white house. this is going to cause an explosion among republicans and how they wanted to fund the government into late next year until the end of the fiscal year. they are not sure if that's going to be possible. can they rally around government funding if this is lingering out on that. >> cutoff of funding for immigration? >> my prediction for what i am hearing is it will let to short-term bills. the leadership doesn't want to shut down the government. at the same time they need to show the right they are being aggressive. >> assuming the president. >> on december 11th when the continued resolution runs out, we will do short-term for the portions of the law for security and judiciary and everything. the rest of it, we will do a long-term on the bus. republicans are ready to fight.
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probably every republican candidate except for a few, everyone made a promise. the process is as offensive as the intent. >> the process and the policy are to the right. sometimes to the center right. >> sometimes you have to question the anger and all of the consternation that we are seeing by people on the right over the possibility that the president will do his job. for the last year, we will give you a year to do something. there many americans who are show us both houses of congress
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where they ended up as the worst. >> how can he issue a green card to millions of people. >> he is not, but he has the ability to issue an executive order that deals with the deportation relief. my understanding is that this executive order -- >> my understanding is that there is not just -- the dreamers. >> i understand it's going to say people can work here. they are allowed to work here. >> i think in terms of beefing up the border, beefing up pay, nobody is going to argue about that. there can be wiggle room on the dream act. the parents of the children were brought in and he wants to give legal status to. that's where the problem is.
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we don't know where the number is. you hear 4 million and 4.5. 6 million is the size of metropolitan atlanta. we don't need to do that by executive fail. we need to pass it through have a lot of hearings and compromise. that's what it is. >> how hot will the republicans get? >> very hot. >> will they go in? >> there will be voices you push for a shut down. permanently. one of the real indian wrestles where you will give up. >> there will be a wing of the party that wants that. is the leadership going to support that? i don't think so. they want to do the trade agreements, but this could consume the new pe public in congress. how do they handle the new power and can they move forward? >> that's the way it works. you are a regular conservative. what happens when ted cruz has a late night dinner with the red
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hots and said it's time. >> i think there is that temptation of some to say just shut it down. the reality is that the president i single at fault here. this is something that requires leadership and leadership at this point, people are not angry. bring boehner and connell to the white house and have steak dinners and have fellowship. we have to get this done and start picking off the republicans. elana ross and mario diaz, they are more open than the ted cruz. >> they are going on the president's disapproval ratings. he will get support and not to
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take the lead. these are the facts. this election votes. it matters. anyway, he is taking the nuclear if you will. let's watch him talk. >> i believe it is an impeachable offense. it has to be a collaboration between the congress and the president. congress has to pass it and sign it. that's the way the damn thing works. >> damn. i haven't heard him say that. that's the way the damn thing works. he is a hawk. on this, he is being hawkish. he is saying it's impeachment stuff. >> i think the president is going for the fight. this gets him relevant. if president clinton lot of the house and the senate. he became the margin in between the extreme republicans and the constituents. that's how he got to be relevant
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again. they have taken a page and saying come up with the biggest fight you can. start it and that way you are relevant. that's what this is about. >> let me start another historic reference. he is caught packing. he won big in 38 and he came back and said okay, i won big in 36. department work. >> no, it didn't. can you imagine on that? it was the democrats, the southern democrats who think of that. they are 50 ambassadorships waiting for approval and most of them are patronage-type jobs. how is the president going to come back? >> you mean like barbados? don't you wish your party was in power right now? >> i think the president is
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squandering good will where he should get things in order. try with the dream act only. i think he could possibly get some of that. >> your turn. >> i wish that everyone that the president had to deal with on the right was as reasonable as you are. there is another vantage point to this and i hate to put it in terms of race, but i see it. i don't think the president is itching for a fight. i think from my perspective and a lot of african-americans, the president since the day he was elected, it always feels and looks as if there members of the republican party saying we are going to put you in your place. you are going to do what we want and on this issue, there is no reason for the president not to back down. he has been saying for the last year. >> who is going to call the shots for the republicans?
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is it going to be mitch mcconnell-type people? >> they will call the shots and it will be a lot of noise. he is running the chamber. >> when they say let's go and the crowds begin, we don't know what it will be like. you don't know the future. the president could do this and something else happens. ebola or something knocks it out of the news. my hunch is it's a grass roots issue. two things that drove the tea party. one is they sense the government is paying away the money. the unions and the poor people are waisting their money. the other thing is nobody is looking out for who the country is anymore. that's one of the responsibilities of any government. who gets to come in at night? how do you set the controls? we don't have a sense that we are doing that. >> you taking care if you shut the government down because you are angry in a system of coequal branches of government, they
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will act by executive authority because they are not passing laws? >> they can't screw it up. >> i agree. >> round table is coming back. money talks. the big story is that some of wall street's big donors see chris christie is too risky. can a run for a slogan of sit down and shut up? not from wall street's liking. the place for politics. n car st] ♪don't stop now come on mony♪ ♪come on yeah ♪i say yeah ♪yeah ♪yeah ♪yeah ♪yeah ♪yeah ♪yeah ♪'cause you make me feel like a pony♪ ♪so good ♪like your pony ♪so good ♪ride the pony the sentra, with bose audio and nissanconnect technology. spread your joy. nissan. innovation that excites. [singing] ♪mony mony ok, if you're up there, i coulsmart sarah.elp.
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>> welcome back to "hardball." we have three pieces of news about likely contenders for president at the heart of what may be the biggest vulnerabilities. first chris christie, the bully is not wearing well with the donor class. he could not have been pleased with this headline. his temperament spooks wall street. top gop donor sees the governor as a risky investor. the family issue for rand paul. playbook's mike allen reported on a big dinner here where rand paul's aides and advisers and supporters talk 2016. the campaign to beat combines loyalists and representative ron paul and new talent. will paul family loyalists who carried the name for ron paul and many primaries mix with the new talent? hillary clinton and her friends, abc news published e-mails from
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a list serve of campaign veterans. many of whom could populate a presidential campaign for her. the leak was designed to embarrass the two people who run the private e-mail list and mentioned as possible hillary clinton campaign managers. the real problem is this. the e-mails are emerging the battle to populate the pop positions and expected clinton campaign. after a 2008 campaign team that imploded over turf wars, personality clashes and back fighting, this is not the support hillary need fist she runs in 2016. the round table is back. u.s. congressman jack kingson of georgia. a taste test here. will this big guy from jersey sell in georgia? >> he will if he keeps talking like this.
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wall street is tipping and their money is like the weather. it goes where they need to be. they are not really strong risky supporters of anybody. for example, goldman sachs was president obama's second largest contributor. i wouldn't worry about wall street. i am worried about the folks in south carolina. iowa he will have to appeal to. he will do fine. i think the tough talk will help him. the candidates and could do the same. there is a sense he could melt down innocent. he provided plenty of evidence. let's watch. >> did i stay on topic. are you stupid? on topic. next question. good. thank you all very much and i'm sorry for the idiot. >> what's her name? the governor is talking. >> gale. >> first off, it's none of your
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business. i don't ask you where you send your kids to school. don't ask me. >> you want to have the conversation later, i'm happy to have it. until that time sit down and shut up. >> more time, he needs a pickup truck and come out on a coop hunt with us. that's what so much of our base wants. not that he is being rude or obnoxious, he is a straight shooter. we all feel that way sometimes. >> i think that only worked where i grew up in jersey. >> i have been a fan of chris christie's until this last implosion. that might be okay with vladimir putin, but for somebody who is worried about national security and foreign policy issues in particular, i don't know if this is the person i feel comfortable
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with dealing with anyone in the mideast and problems in israel and ebola for that matter. he is more than indelicate. >> he can really fit into the mideast. death to all your children and fathers and may a thousand curses reach you. you never know what you are going to get. >> we can control what happens within our borders. we can't control what happens elsewhere. i don't want him irritating the wrong person. >> where else is the establishment going to go? i'm sure the reservations are real, but if jeb or mitt doesn't run, a field doesn't have a lot of establishment favorites. christie's game plan is to recover. he had extemporaneous remarks, but he thinks he can be the wall street candidate. >> well said. let's go to rand paul's campaign. it will combine family loyalists. his father ron paul was a lightning rod in the 2008
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campaign. debates for the views. let's watch that old scene. >> we need to look at what we do if someone else did it to us. you suggesting we invited the 9/11 attacks? >> i'm suggesting we listen to the people who attacked us and the reason they did it. osama bin laden said i am glad you are over on our sand because we can target you so much easier. they have since that time killed 3400 of our men and i don't think it was necessary. >> may i maka a comment on that. that's an extraordinary statement of someone who lived through the attack of september 11th that we invited the attack because we were attacking iraq. i don't think i heard that before and i heard pretty absurd explanations for september 11th. >> what about the danger of that? >> i think that rand paul is doing a good job of showing
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that. not only does he believe there is a tent in the republican party, but there will be a big tent in terms of who supports him. quite frankly the people who liked his father, they know the differences. >> what's the big difference. i haven't seen it yet. >> he doesn't seem as -- how should i say this nicely? as different as his father. >> times have changed. that was after 9-11 and now everyone is worried about another 9/11 and now another iraq. >> exactly. >> that's where he did this. he voted most recently for the bombing of isis. his dad would not have done that and he was an extreme isolationist. he has a willingness to engage. he gets best of the paul last name, but he said i don't agree on this one. he can do it in an affectionate way. >> all the big givers are hawks. not just addleson. >> he is not isolationist like
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his father. >> there is a different kind of politician. when you see his father leaning on the podium like a college professor, lecturing, rand paul has a persona this is hawkish and more assertive and comfortable and he seems more e voters. >> the democratic operatives could populate the hillary clint 16 campaign. clinton's team was a mess. after clinton dropped out, they published a blustering account on the dysfunction. the headline, the front-runners fall with the headline, had ilry clinton's campaign was undone by a clash more toxic than anyone imagined. e-mails and memos published for the first time reveal the back stabbing that produced an epic melt down. were you covering that campaign?
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>> i was still at notre dame. >> that's a good start. you ran campaigns. hillary's campaign had a problem. i think it was a bad strategy of getting delegates. they got them all except for illinois. and wyoming. and they never go democrat. they have a lot of college professors about my aiming who are still 60s. they go to caucuses. >> one of the problems is she doesn't have competition. i think that's going to cause more of the fighting as people try to get a bigger piece of her action if you will. if you look at the republican primary and all the earned and unearned media that they are going to get from huckabee to carson and rob portman and chris christie and rand paul. a very, very long list. the attention is going to be on the republican candidates. hillary's big problem is not
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just the unity within the party, but keeping the party excited. whoever doesn't get the business, the order, if you will, they will be mad and pouting and they will vote for her, but not be enthusiastic. that will be one of the big differences. enthusiasm on the winning side. >> number one, being right now the leading and the sole cont d contender, being the only woman who is running. this is a problem because she is going to be faced with fighting whatever stereotypes we see about women in politics and one question will be can she manage a campaign and the people that work with her? if any of these numb skulls that are leaking e-mails are going to end up in the white house, the american public, democrats included are going to think we have to deal with that? we don't want clinton number two. >> it's not just a great economy and a popular president, but
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there was all this messing up. >> always something going on. >> motel 6 or whatever it was. >> all this chatter about staffers and here's the real problem for secretary clinton. can she appeal to the progressive left? >> how can she appeal to them and go to the center at the same time? >> that's an open question. in washington, d.c., we are consumed by the talk of who will staff hillary's campaign. can she balance with the appeal to the left. >> following up on what you say, coming off of her book tour, he has an excellent point. one of the things you ask yourself, what does she stand for. what does hillary stand for and can she recover from all of the gaps? >> a lot is professionalism and you can always get good at question from yesterday. you go to bed at night and it's on your pillow. you don't know what the question is tomorrow. you get good at the question tomorrow, you are a pro.
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bill is always good at that. the round table is coming back. rand paul talked for nearly 13 hours in his famous drone filibuster. al roker pulled off a 98 set the world record for the longest weather report. 34 hours next on the side show. this is "hardball." what a good guy he is. a place for politics. the world. it's delicious. so now we've turned her toffee into a business. my goal was to take an idea and make it happen. i'm janet long and i formed my toffee company through legalzoom. i never really thought i would make money doing what i love. we created legalzoom to help people start their business and launch their dreams. go to today and make your business dream a reality. at we put the law on your side.
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i'm frances rivera. president obama is in brisbane, australia, the final stop on the trip to asia for the g-20 summit. ebola patient expected to arrive in the u.s. this weekend is identified as martin solia, a surgeon working in sierra loene. his family is making arrangements. the national guard soldiers are being mobilized to support the
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ebola operation. jesse matthew, the man accused of kidnapping the uva student is pleading not guilty in connection with another case dating to 2005. authorities said dna links him to both cases with the disappearance of a virginia tech student. the arctic blast buried parts of the midwest and snow, putting wisconsin four feet in some places. now we take you back to "hardball." >> welcome back to "hardball." the secret service revealed details about the white house security brief since september. across the white house, unimpeted and it turns out by a personal phone call on his cell
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phone. he was armed with a knife. an officer on the north there then allowed them to pass because he assumed the front of the white house was locked. that's my favorite. it wasn't. he knocked the secret service officer to the ground and proceeded to walk by her. according to a report, he mistakenly pulled her flashlight instead of a gun and ignoring demands to stop, she turned back around. he was tackled by another officer outside the room in the center hall way there. the failures were compounded by the fact that radio communication was compromised and the alarm was deactivated and the assault team ahead tated because they were unfamiliar with the inside of the white house. you are the attorney here. explain this. >> i can't even laugh because i can't fathom how this could
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possibly happen. >> you went up the stairs, past the stairs and right up to the house. >> this is the leader of the free world, the nation's first african-american president which makes me think they would be more diligent. >> let's go to the other side where you would probably think are they slacking off because he is black? >> no, i don't think so. no, no, i don't think that. i think they were just slacking off. if it were my job, i would be more diligent because of the history of the person that we are protecting. >> and he has tripulations with them. >> he does. the president has good relationships with the secret service. just a fail tower respond to a situation. the episode is reflected poorly. >> what did you make? the guy said according to
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testimony, he didn't mind the guy going to the front door. i just let it go because i knew the door was locked. there people around that loiter there for a while. >> being this watch person is a boring job. you got the chance for excitement. the one i wonder about is where was the dog. leave the dog outside. you pay $20,000 to talk about the grocery list. leave the dog outside. >> why wasn't rover barking. >> and how does he get down to the room and mistake a flashlight for the gun. why is the guy not dead or maimed? >> the woman fell on her back and was reaching around to get her night stick and instead of that, she got her flashlight. she didn't get what she wanted. she didn't get the gun. >> that's a problem. i don't get it.
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the man should have been shot. >> there is more investigation that the secret service may be coming. they can be representing from texas and call for an external board to review the leadership on budget, security, culture and training and more. they would have the authority to hold hearings and request administrative items and be required to file the interim report and make a final report. this is what they do. why aren't they shorter strings. 18 months to find out what happened in five minutes. >> so the next president is safe. >> they will come back and say we need more money regardless. what they need to do is fire people. they all ought to be fired and make sure people know. there is a real serious question about the database.
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there were reasons to say that, but they had standing committee that can handle the judiciary appropriations. i don't think you need an 18 month investigation in confidence. >> i was surprised about that. >> i would rather him be killed than president obama. no doubt about it. it would have taken care of this and nobody would have gotten into the white house. that i believe. >> the government getting that salute. >> i live in maryland. >> you come in to the leader of the free world, it's a serious offense and we are going shoot. >> you know the missiles. do you know where they are? can you tell us?
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>> not in this house. >> i think there is a missile launcher on that that would hit the plane near the white house. i'm sure we can't discuss it. >> we are not law enforcement officers. i am not sending any signal drive-by shooting someone to kill them. they have a procedure and a process for intruders and i would respect that process. >> if the process works. >> i did learn one rule and i will tell you about it off the air. they recently disclosed the long-term brain damage. he calls the sport a moral abomination. is america's sport too violent? maybe the violence is part to watch it. this is "hardball."
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playing a game with the current injury which will significantly impact their life. can you point to another industry in america which in the course of doing business -- this is untenable. we are not talking about people limping at the age of 50. we are talking about brain injuries that are causing horrible protracted premature death. the idea that we are paying people to engage in a sport for our own entertainment that causes damage to themselves. it's appalling. >> earlier this weekend, the v allege end surprised some people when he told espn he won't let his sons play a sport. we don't want them to play until they understand how physical and demanding the game is. they played basketball.
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as a parent you protect your kids as much as possible. from a guy who has to work under the basket which is somewhat muscle-related. what do you think? >> i think
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>> this has been going on for years. >> tried to say football when he was president. he is concerned about foot bat safety. >> what i'm saying, this is just more than football safety. we have a moral question that we need to answer as a nation which is that we should have ownership in these teams, as well as playing the field and, also, now that people are actually talking about the safety issues and are actually paying attention to them, you know what will happen next is people that are wealthy and whose children have the option of opting out of football will do so. >> and it will be just like the army. >> you could opt out.
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don king touts a fight is safer? >> no, absolutely not. and i'm not watching boxing, either. >> there's an assumption risk here. there's 32 nfl teams all worth about a billion each. everybody is making a lot of money. so that assumption of risk. it's safer than it used to be. in the 19d890s, a university of georgia player was killed. the state governor out lawed football and it was vetoed. what happened is they came up with all of the rules. they say standardized the rules. riegtsd now, we're seeing that same thing. chips and held mets. things like that that are making it a little bit safer. >> the amount of strength training these guys do now. the amount of power. i assume what hits you if you're a lineman is a lot more force than back in the 20s. the guys train all day long to
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hit really hard, right? >> yes, especially -- there is no amount of money in my opinion to make the risk worth it. but people assume the risk. that's their business. it e it is not the role of government to get involved. it should not just be people who have no ownership. >> as long as you're the best -- >> muhammad ali is probably the most popular figure of the century. for the first time early this year, the risk to its players, the admission came in court followed by a league of players. foermer players between 50 and 5 59 years old develop alzheimer's and dementia 40% higher. and the rate for 60 and 64, as much as 30 times the rate of the general population. that's pretty amazing.
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>> yes, it is. >> so what do we do? >> but who do you think is going to continue to play? >> you're on national television. this is all true. what do we do? what do we do? >> well, thank you. look, there's nothing that we really can do. it's -- i mean, are we going to do it with cig rets aarettes an you can't play unless you're a certain age? >> from the evolution of the leather helmet to this hard, plastic helmet now putting a microchip in it clwhich a lot o colleges are requiring. the new rule that someone cannot lower his helmet and torpedo somebody. i think the players' union is going to draw this. they don't want this reputation of being self druktive. >> number one, if you can, you just don't play. you opt out. number 2, we have to educate si kids so that they know what
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they're going into. >> you're so passionate about this because you're a mommy. but if you're any kid watching right now between the ageover and 80, wouldn't you have liked to have been the college quarterback? >> um, know. >> boy. any boy. would you like to quarterback for notre dame? look at all the dates they get. just think about that. thank you. when i return, some wonderful news from my family to your family. as you may know, kathleen and i are fortunate to be grand parents. we have a beautiful, young 2-year-old granddaughter, julia. and we've been waiting some big news from out west. earlier today, we got it from los angeles. i'll be right back with that. ees on savings accounts? that's right. it's just that i'm worried about you know "hidden things..." ok, why's that? no hidden fees, from the bank where no branches equals great rates.
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