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will actually create and we'll discuss the latest assault on the affordable care act as the second period of open enrollment begins this morning? first, as ferguson, missouri, waiting for a decision on whether to indict police officer darren wilson in the shooting of unarmed teenager michael brown, the st. louis post dispatch shows wilson entering the police station after that fatal encounter in august. this was obtained through missouri's sunshine law. radio calls were heard in the minutes before and after the fatal shooting took place. that includes an unidentified officer calling in for support as a woman wales in the background. >> get us several more units over here. there's going to be a problem. >> also happening overnight, ferguson police chief tom jackson said that if the grand
jury does not return an indictment, officer wilson may immediately return to duty. jackson also said that wilson will be fired if he is indicted by the grand jury. we're going to have a live update from the ground in missouri later in our show and we'll have reports throughout the day here on msnbc. turning to politics, though, we can tell you the results are in for one of the final uncalled statewide races, alaska's governor sean parnnell has been defeated by bill walker. walker received support from the democratic party when they decided not to fill their own candidate in that contest. walker is the first independent to win the alaska governor's office. and a bipartisan group of 30 senators sent a letter to harry reid and mitch mcconnell asking
for luncheons. but is all of that post-election feel-good talk about coming together and getting big things done going out the window as soon as it walked in the door? not to mix metaphors there. republican leaders are already clashing over the first big issue and that would be immigration. we're rapidly extending into the extreme. here is this exchange. >> we're in new and unchartered waters here and that's why some say that republicans have no choice but to call out that perceived lawlessness and do something as politically unpopular as impeach him. >> look, i believe it is an impeachable offense. >> and then yesterday matt salmon of arizona said he agreed, it would be an
impeachment offense but getting the, quote, two-thirds in the senate to convict is a different story. and to defund the actions that they disagreed with. there you have it. disagreement, impeachment, attention passengers, we are now descending from the new buy s t bipartisan error. era. we are experiencing turbulence. joining us is david korn and evan mcmorris santoro and republican strategist mercedes schlat tc schlatt. thank you for being with us. >> thank you. >> does anyone think that having lunch together would be a difference? >> it's probably like the worst dating scenario, okay?
you're having lunch over sea bass and having this uncomfortable discussion. it's a formality and an awkward lunch but it's more so for show than anything else that they are coming together. now the real work has to get done and it looks like it's going to be difficult. >> by the way, climate change does not exist. >> you have to get 60 votes before it can pass. >> at the state of the union and other sort of events like that they have said it hasn't had much of an impact on the tone in washington. >> now, i do believe there are a number of senators on both sides who actually came to washington to try to pass legislation. i'm not sure that's a big margin. but we saw -- >> who are you thinking of? >> we saw immigration reform. six, eight, ten republicans who worked with democrats to pass the bill. >> right. >> the problem is that the dynamic within the senate where
mitch mcconnell said nothing to barack obama and the republican party at large where the base only wants a bashing, they don't want immigration reform compromise or gun safety compromise or anything hike that, with that context and the house being controlled more by the tea party tail than by john boehner, you know, these poor senators who may want to eat lunch together and occasionally pass a bill together have nowhere to go. they have been isolated. and the last election hasn't changed any of that dynamic. >> let's look at history, though. when they had the meeting with speaker pelosi, they passed welfare reform. they worked on passing minimum wage at the time. it was newt gingrich and -- >> but they worked on the education bill and it happened. >> so bipartisan can happen. >> republicans let that happen. they were okay with that. republicans are not okay with these compromises. >> there's new reporting saying that the number of house
republicans are looking at forcing the president's hand over spending which means another shutdown showdown. i don't understand. mitch mcconnell just assured me we weren't going to have. >> they are not going to go forward with the government shutdown. >> you think mcconnell and boehner will have better control? >> i absolutely do. mitch mcconnell has been planning to run the senate for a long time. if you can recall, mitch mcconnell call called for the bush tax cuts when it was a cliff and called vice president biden and said, do you guys know how to negotiate up there? and i think you're going to find that he's able to control the factions of the republican party. >> try is the key word. try. >> evan, what do you think? >> john boehner is no neophyte.
he couldn't control his guys and i don't know that mitch mcconnell will be able to control his guys either. it's very nice to talk about not having these shutdowns but there's a split within the republican party. the lunchers versus the ignore obamaers or something like that. i'm not good at metaphors here but people that generally do want to have the gop advance through things like lunches and being bipartisan and having government work and then there are plenty of republicans up there and who got up there a couple of days ago to shut everything down and not let obama do anything. >> here's the thing that i've been thinking about. if republicans don't threaten a shutdown, what leverage do they actually have? they still don't have 60 votes in the senate, obviously, on most things. a few democrats may go with them here and there on keystone and they don't have the presidency. so there's the power of the veto. so if they don't threaten a shutdown, do they have much leverage?
>> well, in the old days, like the robert dole days -- >> i've heard of those days. >> republicans would have gotten together, passed their own budget, passed appropriation bills and do policy things and do things that they thought were popular with the public, send them to the president and defy him to veto them. that's his leverage. and then campaign against that and then come together after he vetoed them to do something to keep the government going. and so they were not -- you don't have to have a debt ceiling crisis. you don't have to threaten to blow up the hospital to get, you know, what you want. but that has become the new normal, the new black for the republican party. >> and for -- and for president obama, he's really throwing this political bomb with moving forward on the unilateral executive action on immigration. this is poised, as speaker boehner said, poisoning the well. >> there's no water in the well.
boehner and mcconnell took the water out of the well. >> didn't he say something about lighting it on fire? >> the red flag in front of the wall. >> on immigration. >> yes. >> what kind of position does executive action on immigration put republicans in? because there are a few republicans already saying, we've got to impeach him over taking this kind of executive action. you're also going to have lots of to 16 candidates who have to come out strongly against it. this puts republicans in a tough place. >> in a very tough place. i think it would be a wrong move for them even to start focusing on impeachment. needless to say, it won't be popular among the voters. it's not what the voters wanted when we saw the midterm elections. they want the gridlock to end in washington. it is very clear that was their top priority as well as the economy. they want the president to work well with congress and this has become the shortest honeymoon in the history of politics because
the president is going to throw this grenade out because he's been pushed out in the summer, took it back after the democratic candidates in swing states said please don't get involved with this but at the same time he -- >> i agree with you there. he should have gone for it this summer. he said he was going to do it. he should have gone ahead and do it. >> i mean, the fact is, republicans aren't doing anything to earn the votes. democrats are not doing anything. if we don't have executive action, it's very difficult to see how immigration can happen at all. you have an angry group of voters. >> have to take a break. much more to discuss right after this. in on car stereo] ♪don't stop now come on mony♪ ♪come on yeah ♪i say yeah ♪yeah ♪yeah ♪yeah ♪yeah ♪yeah ♪yeah ♪'cause you make me feel
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welcome back. on thursday, harry reid elevated elizabeth warren to a new leadership position in the democratic caucus. they have been talking about this position as a liaison to the liberal base but warren says she was asked to be a strategic policy adviser. she will be in the weekly meetings where they determine their agenda. warren described it as a seat at the table. i plan to use it to make sure that people around this country have a real hearing. so will this new title translate into a bolder economic agenda for the senate? does this mean that the lessons democrats are learning from this last election blowout is that they need to have a bolder, clearer economic vision outside of minimum wage? >> i think you're being very optimistic that there's a lesson that has been learned. it's quite clear that elizabeth warren is quite popular.
with democrats but also had the ability to talk to nondemocrats about kitchen table issues, finances, economics and doing it from a populist but most important leanne authentic position. anyone who has talked to him in person or speaks publicly can see that she's dripping in sincerity. i was the first person to ask her if she would want to run for senate and i think she said i'd rather stick a knife in my eye. actually, i think it was a fork. and then a few months later she was in the race. so she doesn't come across like a politician who's eager to be a politician. she does want to help. i don't think they need to have a liberal liason.
>> what she is talking about is the only universal stuff that democrats have. having to go back and get some of these male voters that they've lost and rural voters that they've lost. >> what do you mean by universal? >> so on the campaign trail in 2014, which didn't go well for democrats, obama could not go anywhere. >> right. >> warren could go everywhere. >> right. >> she went to red states, blue states. this message of economic stuff that she talks about is what a lot of these democratic strategists think is the kind of thing that connects all of their base voters together. with climate change you get into things like coal and you have difficulty with your royal union voters. but some of the economic stuff turned out to be more of a mainstream issue. >> well, still a lot of their money comes from wall street, big banks, big corporations. there is a rub there as well.
mercedes, what do you make of this move? because one of the weird things that we saw out of this election was democratic progressive issues, minimum wage, in particular, won overwhelmingly. >> in the states, yes, absolutely. >> so it's not just the democratic base that has resonating with these issues but it's a really popular agenda. >> when you look at what senator reid did, it was very smart. he does not want the division between the liberals and moderates and senator warren brings those two groups together. when she goes out to these speeches, she just receives this incredibly warm welcome by the liberals because, quite frankly, they don't love hillary. they are disappointed with obama but they are sticking with him and thinking that elizabeth warren is the next big thing. she talks about these issues in a way that connects with a lot of these middle class voters, you know, that actually works
beyond a minimum wage. it's the economic inequality issue that she talks about as well. >> she talks about wall street and the power of wall street and what it has done wrong. and hillary, you know, has this thing where she gave a very warren-like speech at -- >> she's trying. she wants to be warren. >> but this same week, something i wrote about, she had a fundraising meeting for the clinton initiative at goldman sachs. >> right. >> she tries to straddle the fence. there's nothing straddling about liz wet warren. >> she's all in. >> so maybe people might look for hillary just to make her treasury secretary. >> but evan, is part of this move also like a little bit of 2016 maneuvering, making elizabeth warren more prominent, bringing her into the fold, so to speak? >> she's sort of like given some tassett. absolutely. i think, more importantly, they
are trying to learn a lesson. they are trying to learn a lesson and one of the lessons is that if they had talked more about economics, they would have done better. >> they could have done worse. >> up next, we are going back to school, sort of, the freshman lawmakers you may not have heard of who could become household names real soon. so i can reach ally bank 24/7, but there are no branches? 24/7 it's just i'm a little reluctant to try new things. what's wrong with trying new things? feel that in your muscles? yeah... i do... try a new way to bank, where no branches equals great rates. ring ring!... progresso! it's ok that your soup tastes like my homemade. it's our slow simmered vegetables and tender white meat chicken. apology accepted. i'm watching you soup people.
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have to learn to co-exist with people different than themselves. the house will have 41 new republicans and 17 democrats. 11 of those new members will be women. five will be african-american. three his sppanic and two asian. if you think that may help break the gridlock on capitol hill, you may be disappointed. according to "the new york times" "upshot," they will be more polarized politically, if that's possible. the republicans will be further to the right and democrats further to the left. 6 of the 12 new senators have already served in the house. 11 of the 12 members are republicans. among them, joni ernst of iowa who says she's coming to washington to, quote, make them squeal. as new lawmakers should we keep a special watch on over the
years, evan mcmorris-santoro of buzz feed is joining us again. i want to hear both your pick of who we should be watching in this class but first help us get a sense of what these incoming freshmen are doing right now. >> you kind of described it perfectly. it's just like college or general tea orientation. they are trying to make friends and figure out which committees they are interested in serving on and there's going to be jockeying with regard to that. that's kind of what they are up to now. the house members are -- the new freshmen are in d.c. this week. they will be there next week and they are also getting their packets of ethic -- from the ethics committee, potential ethics violations. i think the house packet is like over 400 pages. they have a lot of reading to do. >> and you want to read that
carefully. >> yes, do you. >> evan, who is your peck for who we should be watching in this incoming class? >> well, republicans have wanted to see neil love from utah get into the house. >> african-american woman? >> african-american woman. amazing personal story. she had a really compelling speech at the rnc convention in 2012. she's their big star for them and someone they'd like to see become more of a public face of the party. we'll see what happens. now she's here and we'll see what she does. that is somebody people should keep an eye on because that's someone we'll see a lot and someone that they are going to put forward. >> first african-american woman member, republican member of congress. elahe, are you excited about her as well? >> i am excited about her. they've put a lot of attention on her in the past because she barely won this time around but i definitely think she's one to watch. there's another republican woman
elected from new york and i think her name is elise who won in a district that obama carried and she won by 20 points beating her democratic challenger. she's 30 years old and she's already accomplished way more than we have at this point in our lives. she's a harvard grad and helped coach paul ryan in the vp debate. i think she's the one to watch. she could be viewed on some issues as a moderate. she's already being touted as a future of the party. >> nice to have those moderate voices in there. evan, overall, i was quoting that upshot piece that looked at the fact that you have more conservatives, some anti-leadership republicans coming in and meanwhile moderate democrats lost so you have the house being split even farther apart. what is this incoming class going to do to the character of the house overall, do you think? >> these two members that we've
highlighted are members that the republican party would like to us highlight. >> right. >> this is the conversation that they want to have. this is the party they want to move forward. with the shutdown battle and things like that, there's a significant number of members who were there in 2010 who have come in now and who are sort of the classic gaffe-prone white male republican. >> hillary clinton was the anti-christ, you have another one who said the federal government is waging a war on men because of affirmative action. >> that's right. >> so elahe, there are a few that are going to be a challenge for john boehner. do you think that he's going to have even more of an issue with this incoming class than he had with the previous caucus? >> i think what typically happens is that whenever your tent is bigger, you have more voices and it doesn't necessarily mean it's easier to control. john boehner had a lot of trouble in the past trying to control his conference and getting them all on board with
something and he had to put major pieces of legislation on the floor that could pass only with a democratic majorities. so i don't think it's necessarily easier because you have republican members. a lot of these members are replacing house members, republicans who were reliable votes for leadership who have been in office for a very long time and a lot of them were retiring as well. it doesn't necessarily mean it's going to be easier for john boehner. >> what do we expect out of joni ernst, elahe, the new republican senator from iowa who is wanting to come to washington to make them squeal. she got elected there in what was originally considered a long shot chance for her but she's been pretty extreme in terms of her stance on personhood and certain things. what do we expect out of here? >> she's certainly a conservative but right now she's not out there trying to be super
couldn't verse yell. she's trying to lay low. they try to lay low as they see how the cards all fall into place. committee assignments are important. she's coming from iowa and already has so much star power already. she could play big in the presidential election as that starts kicking off. and it's not typical for statewide iowa republicans to kind of endorse primary candidates. it will be -- it may be seen whether she does that but chuck grassley doesn't do that, the governor. even though she lends a lot of star power, that doesn't mean that marco rubio's endorsement of her would pay off. >> my thanks to evan and elahe for joining me. >> thank you. and the most important lawmakers just elected may not have been mentioned in that last segment. the election results that will matter to you most when we return. ♪ music
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if a gop wave swept across america, after last tuesday's election, republicans now have the tightest grip on state legislatures since the 1920s. two-thirds of state legislative chambers are now in republican hands. the gop now has total control of the state government, that's both branches of the legislature and the government mansion in 24 states. that's compared to just 7 for democrats and that's the lowest for that party in 150 years. nearly half of all americans now live in states controlled completely by the gop. one clue as to why this matters, take a look back at what republicans were able to accomplish since tightening their grip on state governments since 2010.
>>. >> a huge amount of work while no one is watching. >> one of the toughest laws yet to fight illegal immigration went into effect today in georgia. >> this is the most egregious law. >> restrictions on abortions with planned parenthood going to the back of the line to receive state funding. second, hospitals are prohibited from contracting with abortion providers. >> michigan, i said, this as wisconsin governor scott walker is facing recall efforts in his home state. >> state legislators also have a tremendous impact on national politics. they pass voting laws and design and carry out redistricting. given how important these state legislative races are, why is it that democrats are seceding so much ground to republicans? joining me is former dnc
chairman and governor howard dean. >> nice to be here. >> i was talking to your brother earlier on this topic. i want to throw out a few numbers. the group that raises money for these state candidates on the democratic side raised 9.3 million. on the republican side, they raised 26 million. so the gop outspent democrats at this committee level by three times. why do you think the democrats don't seem to focus on these state-level races? >> you know, i don't know. i mean, i don't know. i did when i was dnc chair because i came from the state and i know what a difference it makes. money and politics matter as lot in these races because most people don't know the people on their ballot very well. money increases the name recognition and it really matters. we're basically rolling ourselves back to the 1920s.
it's an authoritarian group of people and it's a very, very frightening time. if the democratic party can't step up to the plate, i think you're going to see a third party. >> wow. what would that third party look like? >> it would just look like a group of act visiivists. some of it was unfortunate. kay hagan ran a great campaign and she should have won and didn't win. democrats have fundamentally given up. our message was, oh, we're not obama either. there is no message. so we've just got to do better. i think this is about the low party of the democratic party that i've seen in a very long time. >> that's a bold statement. governor, do you think part of the problem is that democrats are philosophically inclined to look to the national level
because we have a greater faith in the ability of government nationwide to solve big problems? >> i think the problem is the democrats are disinclined to discipline themselves and obviously exceptions. the two obama campaigns were incredible as far as getting out to vote and so forth. we don't stay on point. we're afraid, it seems like to me it seems like we're afraid to fight and i just scratch my head over this. i think the gapes sinins since n roosevelt is worth fighting for. some of this is, when we get to the polls, we win. some of this will be rolled back in 2016 but it just seems to me people are interested in more in power and democrats pride themselves on the ability to
governor and we just don't seem to have to have the fire in the belly. >> and democrats have to fight, as you said, in all these states. i read an article for msnbc.com about how nevada might be the next north carolina in that it is sort of the swing state. >> i saw that. >> north carolina had gone blue for obama in 2008 and then republicans took over and you have a rash of really far right legislation. now nevada is fully controlled by republicans. what kind of an agenda are we going to see in these states going forward? do we see a repeat of the policy issues, far right policy issues that we saw come out of 2010? >> well, i'm actually hoping we do. in new hampshire in 2010, very far right extremists took over the legislature and when the turnout went up in 2012, they got burned out. so maybe they are a centrist
group. i say center-left because they like medicare and that's not on the agenda of republicans. the one thing about one-party rule is it's going to be hard to point your finger at somebody else when you screw up. in north carolina, these people are going to lose. the legislature is probably gone. the turnout is going to be almost twice what it was and people in north carolina are not extremists. they think the governor nor is spineless and i think they are right. >> unfortunately, it wasn't enough to get kay hagan over the speaker of the house. >> that's because the turnout was atrocious. i think you'll see a different story in 2016. we've got to do better as a party. we're really in disarray. the president is running as the president. i don't think that's much attention paid to the dnc. of course, the supreme court rules on citizens united undermined both parties. i think our democracy is in
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authorizing the keystone pipeline which we discussed earlier this hour. the gop has been touting the pipeline as a major job creator. >> this is a vote to lower energy costs and create more american jobs. >> keystone pipeline, it's jobs, it's the economy. it's moving us forward. >> that is a notion that the president took issue with yesterday from burma. >> i have to constantly push back against this idea that somehow the keystone pipeline is either this massive jobs bill for the united states or is
somehow lowering gas prices. >> so here's the deal. a state department analysis found the pipeline would support 42,000 jobs during the construction phase but would only create 35 permanent jobs for people overseeing that pipeline. speaker boehner maintains that the keystone pipeline is just one of the 46 jobs bills that are #stuckinthesenate. they hope to advance now that they have a senate majority coming in january. the bills vary widely in scope and impact. there are some big-ticket items like repealing obamacare and the budget. according to congressional budget office, located in central oregon, north of the city of prineville and prioritize how water from the project would be allocated for different uses. "the new york times" asked economists what impact that
would have on job creation and concluded, quote, it's a mix that leaves many economists overwhelmed. so just where are these jobs bills heading that will get our economy going again? joining me from washington, former chief economist and economic adviser to vice president joe biden, msnbc contributor jared bernstein and also with us american enterprise institute columnist and cnbc contributor, james. thank you for being with us. >> thank you. >> so jared, i think i kind of know what you think of these bills. james, i want to get your thoughts to start out with. i want to throw out a quote from this new york times piece. "it struck me as a compedium of modest expectations. if you ask me what's your
ballpark guess for how many jobs this will create, it's just not many." >> it would create a job for lawyers. there's no question about that. that's a big win. beyond that, listen, for the most part, these are modest bills. there's been no great giant bill on the democratic side either. there are big economic problems, raising the minimum wage is one thing that is really going to spark the economy. right now what you are getting in washington are a lot of modest ideas because no one thinks you can pass any great big idea. there are good things in those 46. i mean, i like paul ryan's medicare stuff but there's other things, small businesses and allowing more equipment purchases, regulations. these are decent things but are they going to complete change the course of the american economy anywhere near like what we've seen over the past two years from the federal reserve? well, no. >> i think that's a great point.
we are going to get into the democratic side of the equation in just a little bit. jared, what do you make of these 46 proposals? >> well, this is kind of the old washington trick of proposing something that you want to do and putting the word jobs in there. if you scrutinize it even for a moment, you're going to find exactly what you reported in your tease as well as that of some more conservative economists who recognize that while some of these may be okay ideas, many of them actually, i think, are problematic, particularly some of the environmental deregulation that is in there. it's not really anything you'd call or recognize as a jobs bill. not by a long shot. >> james, should we take this as a measure of the sort of seriousness of republicans in terms of the economic agenda and the big vision that they'll be able to pursue? because so far what we've heard from boehner and mcconnell is focus on the keystone pipeline which is one of these 46 bills and then they talk broadly of the 46 jobs bills stuck in the
senate. it's sort of disheartening hearing that because it's a symbol that there's not a lot of serious proposals and big thinking to come in the next two years. >> well, i think at the beginning what republicans want to do is not go for a grand slam but hit a bunch of clean singles and show that they can do stuff. they have a big idea. they do want to do corporate tax reform and house ways and means had a big giant tax bill. so i think that's going to be like their big idea. their big ideas are going to be tax reform and try to do something on trade and a bunch of sort of these singles and doubles. i think -- what i've been advised to do right now is stop passing anything, take a step back and figure, what is fundamentally wrong with the u.s. economy? we're having problems in this economy. starting in the 2000s we've had very slow job recoveries and
flat wages. i would take a step and say, what is the problem? and from that, all the solutions would flow rather than saying, gee, we have these 46 bills and a bunch of congressmen like and let's pass them. i don't think they are taking a look at what is sort of the macro situation and what washington's next step should be. >> i think when the american people voted in this last election and said the economy was their number one issue, i don't think they were thinking about things like the medical device tax. >> right. >> i don't think that was tops on their list here. some of these bills did have bipartisan support in the house. i think four of them deal with obamacare in one way or another on that piece, on modifying obamacare. do you think there are some things that democrats are going to be willing to go along with? >> well, i didn't see anything in these bills that democrats would be willing to go along with because -- >> what about changing the 40-hour workweek? >> that is something democrats won't go for. let's be clear, this is the idea that instead of having a 30-hour
threshold under which you're considered part time, switch it to 40 hours, democrats will not go for that. the president would not accept that because that is actually a terrible idea in terms of job creation. it would go precisely the other way. to the extent that the bill incentivizes employers to put their workers on part time, if you move from 30 to 40, there are a lot more people who work 40 hours a week than 30 hours a week. you're exposing a lot more people to this alleged incentive. if it's there, that's going to go the other way. look, i want to get to jimmy's point for a second. i do think that these are all -- again, these are just kind of local preferences, straightening out a river in oregon, that's a good idea but it's not a jobs bill. this is putting the word jobs in a bill and making kind of a big deal of it and that's a mistake from a perspective that it's not
generating enough employment. i don't think it's nearly as mysterious as -- i agree about the innovation. i think we need more of that but i think that's tough to legislate. i don't think there's a big mystery in terms of what is needed in our economy right now in terms of both job creation and enhancing our productivity and that's a deep dive into infrastructure investment. that means we need to find the fiscal resources in order to repair our public goods in a good way. it so happens that there is a public tax reform idea that maybe republicans would be able to think about that has an infrastructure component. that may be an area that we can bridge these two issues. >> all right. >> i would love to combine some sort of infrastructure spending bill with corporate tax reform. i believe the healing possible of the word and. i think trying to come up with a compromise, that corporate tax reform and infrastructure spending, that would be a great
place to start and maybe get more of a bipartisan atmosphere rolling. >> based on these 46 jobs bills, i'm not that optimistic. jared, you're sticking around longer. >> great. up next, we'll go live to ferguson, missouri, where residents are awaiting word on whether officer darren wilson will face charges in the shooting death of michael brown. so ally bank really has no hidden fees on savings accounts? that's right. it's just that i'm worried about you know "hidden things..." ok, why's that? no hidden fees,
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hearing testimony from multiple witnesses, including wilson himself. meanwhile, there is new footage of officer wilson on the day of the shooting as well as new radio calls conveying an unidentified officer at the scene as brown's body was lying in the street. >> 25. >> get us several more units over here. there's going to be a problem. >> joining me now from ferguson is msnbc national reporter trymaine lee who has, of course, covered this story from the very beginning. trymaine, thanks for being with us. >> reporter: thanks for having me, krystal. >> what do these tapes tell us about the events surrounding brown's death? >> reporter: they don't tell us anything. it may give a little more insight into what darren was known as a suspect. there is an alleged robbery at a
local convenience store and michael brown would seem to fit the description and other than gifgs us a broader picture of the events slightly before and after, it doesn't give us much detail about what went down that day. >> and trymaine, what are people saying on the ground right now? are they feeling confident in the process or concerned over how things have gone so far? >> reporter: well, there's been, in this community, a long history of distrust and that hasn't waned at all. in fact, it seems to have intensified with recent alleged leaks from the grand jury and other leaks to media, it only has crowded the process even more. so people who didn't trust it before are now even more distrustful and as they believe there will be a nonindictment at some point in the very near future, it only adds to the fuel that they feel that the system was not working. the larger community as a whole. >> and we are, right now, halfway through the month of november. we have been told to expect this decision in mid- to late
november. do you have any indications about when and how this is all going to play out? >> reporter: not necessarily in terms of timing. as you mentioned, the prosecutor has maintained it will be mid- to late november. after that, it will be day-to-day and week-to-week. the prosecutor's office said they will give a heads up to school leaders. they will give 24 hours if they expect the decision to be announced over the weekend and three hours if it's during the week. the last witness, dr. michael bodin performed an autopsy on michael brown. it could come as early as this week or further. we just have no idea. the only folks who know are the grand jury and the prosecutor. >> my thanks to trymaine lee for joining me live from ferguson, missouri. >> reporter: thanks for having me, krystal. >> by now you've probably heard the argument that democrats
failed to deliver a coherent message. the economy grew by 3.5% in the most recent quarter and the unemployment rate is the lowest in six years. it's fallen to 5.8%. and the budget deficit, which helped fuel the rise of the tea party, that has also hit a six-year low. but on the other hand, and you've heard this argument, too, people are failing to feel the effects of this recovery and it's not just about the past few years either. there's a disconnect between economic growth and what the vast majority of americans are earning and they are not imagining it. the social security administration found that since 1979, annual earnings of the top 1% are up nearly 138%. earners on the top 5% experienced 60% growth. meanwhile, earnings for the bottom 90% of working americans grew just 15%. that's 0.4% per year.
essentially stagnant. it's a rate that is more than section times less than what the top 1% has been racking up. if you're looking for the disconnect between the economy and the public, that's a pretty good starting point. but the election is over and it's time for governing. let's ask, what would a real economic agenda actually look like? i want to bring informer republican presidential candidate and chief of forbes media, we're lucky to have with us steve forbes and jared bernstein. gentlemen, thank you so much for being with us. i really appreciate it. >> thank you. >> jared, we got a little bit of your thoughts in the last hour. steve, i want to start with you if we could make you king or czar, majority leader, whatever we want to call it, what do you think would be a republican agenda that could really get at wage growth, not just growing for the top 1%, not just for corporations but would actually
help people earn more money and have more in their pocketbooks? >> one would be to regulate the tax code. i've always been in favor of a flat tax. i'm not sure that this congress would be able to pass it or that the president would sign it. the other thing that gets no attention is the anti-growth policy of the federal reserve. we're always trying to stimulate the economy but they've created a situation where small and new businesses still have a hard time of getting credit. when you have an unstable dollar, you get wage growth stagnating, which is exactly what we've seen in recent years. >> i'm going to let jared deal with the federal reserve piece because i think he's more qualified on that than me. but to push back on the flat tax, doesn't that fall more heavily on people who spend more of their money? isn't that the problem with the flat tax? >> no. what the flat tax does is you get economic growth. mine had an across-the-board tax
cut. right now what the fed has done and what the administration has inadvertently done is what they call trickle down economics. hopefully when people do well at the top, it trickles down to everybody else. it never works and we've seen a prime example of it now. >> jared, what is your thoughts on that? >> that's kind of an interesting verb verbal because people have been found to be supply-side trickle down fairy dust for decades now. it doesn't work it's kind of the plan that was back in 2012 and reasonably found to be wanting for voters to recognize that the only thing that happens when you give the affluent more after-tax income, they have more after-tax
income. it doesn't trickle down. hold on, steve. you'll get your chance there. the federal reserve has actually helped the macro economy significantly and all of those statics that krystal cited at the beginning are true. their fingerprints are all over that. the problem is that macro isn't reaching microa and that's the path that needs to be made. it's more employment, more jobs and better jobs. the minimum wage helps at the bottom and we need more public investment to lower the unemployment rate and get gainful opportunities for people in the middle. >> jared, let me ask you this in terms of a democratic side. i think we both agree the agenda has sort of collapsed to minimum wage. >> right. >> and while i believe it would be good for folks and important for the economy, it's not an economic agenda. one thing i don't hear many
democrats talking about is increasing the power of workers through labor unions or through another mechanism, for that matter. back in 2008, we talked about the employee free choice act, commonly called card check. do democrats need to rebalance this economy? >> absolutely. i think that has to be part of the solution because what is really hurting working people -- again, this is the macro/micro split that we've been talking about. the balancing of the bargaining power. it will help them claim more of their fair share of the growth that they are helping to create. now, the problem with the union solution is that private sector unions now represent 7% of the workforce. so even if you're wildly successful, you might bump that up a couple of points. that, too, won't sole have the larger problem. >> steve, what's your attack on that? >> well, we tried this in the 1930s and there was a failure if
you get the microrig right in ts of creating business, the micro takes care of itself. >> but isn't the macro doing well? >> no, it isn't. >> the top 1% is doing just fine and it doesn't seem to be coming down to the micro. >> because you've got the policy wrong. the federal reserve has made it very easy for big companies to borrow, very easy for the federal government to borrow but if you look at the so-called recovery, small and new businesses have a small time of it and if they don't have a chance to prosper, the economy is going to have the 2%, 3% stagnant growth rate. it's the worst recovery from a sharp downturn in american history and the federal reserve says we are expansionary and they are contractionary. >> corporations have money, they are doing well and they are not hiring much more and they are certainly not lifting wages.
so how do we change that piece? >> well, first of all, the fundamental numbers do con stra contradict steve. median household income is down 3%. so that disconnect is very much in play. what do we do? certainly lowering borrowing costs has only been somewhat successful in terms of bringing the corporate dollars into the economy. i actually think we need more demand. that's where we've dropped the ball. oh and one of the best ways to do that would be kind of a deep dive there. i also think we need to think of direct job creation. if the market is not creating enough jobs on its own, i think the government is an employer of last resort and something worth thinking about. >> steve forbes and jared
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133 cities. that was seen as baseline forewarn n for warner this year. warner isn't exactly a polarizing member of the senate. he's a self-described radical centrist and throughout his tenure, warner has been well-known for reaching across the aisle and finding the middle. he was running the same campaign that he ran when he was so successful in 2008. so what happened to mark warner this year? take one more look at the 2008 victory map. now look at the virginia map from this year. pretty much a complete reversal from warner's '08 victory. it's a sea of red across the rural sections of virginia with just barely enough votes to squeak by from the densely populated areas of northern virginia, richmond, and hampton roads area. that has given warner his apparent victory across ed
gillespie. radical centrists were expected to have a major role in this midterm election season. greg orman was outpolling pat roberts for the final two months. it looks like larry pressler had the potential to pull off the upset in south dakota but they both underwhelmed on election night and it's the partisan extremists dividing the country. but if it's only the ideological candidates appealing to voters, is there still a role for moderates? joining me to talk about all of this, we're lucky to have director of the uva politics and david corn with mother jones. thanks for being with us, gentlemen. >> sure thing. >> larry, i want to start with you on this virginia piece. what is your assessment on this?
did mark warner err in terms of his appeal to the moderate republican? >> i think he underestimated the role of passion which in a midterm election is always key. this was unusually low. the lowest since 1942. i don't know that anybody calculated it would be that low. but mark warner, i think he did know that he was in for a much tougher race. they certainly didn't expect one this close. but it is more difficult for someone like warner whose brand is bipartisanship to excite the base and you need the base to be excited when the wind is in your face, as opposed to 2008 when the wind was at his back. that's the fundamental difference. >> "the washington post" is making the argument that warner should have made a more direct appeal to the base. other folks i've talked to said the real problem was that he kind of took the election for
granted. yes, he thought it would be closer than his 2008 romp but he was looking at polling that had him up significantly and maybe he didn't campaign as hard as he needed to. >> well, i think everybody was fooled by those polls. he had a ten-point lead on election day. they were confident early on. i don't care what they say now. late in the campaign, they were anything but overconfident. they realized something was happening. they didn't think it would ever be this close but they were worried about a 50/48% race but it was too late and they admit it privately, at least. they don't admit it publicly and that's not what politicians do. >> let me bring in david corn. let's broaden this out to the national perspective.
one of the quotes was j jerry connolly who won re-election in fairfax county and he thought this was more of a national trend not specific to virginia. he said, i think if you look at the questions around the country, it shows how successful the bipartisan brand really is. we all say we want it but that's not how we're voting tonight. what do you think about that? >> well, pivoting off of larry's point about passion, i am passionate about being bipartisan. i'm talking about the voters. they want a champion and someone on their side and their team. they think they are going to washington, knock heads or get things done. there's a lot of could be flikting impulses when the public says they want to get rid of gridlock and they vote for a party that is dedicated to blocking the president. right? so the idea that an independent out there fires up passion in a midterm election when there aren't a lot of people paying
attention is wrong. you have the independent winning in alaska. once they saw the threat from him and democrat got out of the race, they were able to put the resources in and get their people to the polls n terms of get out to votes for independent, there's no campaign. there was no campaign structure that the democrats tried in kansas but no campaign structure to get out all of the independents, bipartisan seeking voters in that state. so we still have a duopoly where each side tries to mobilize their people and they don't have the structure to compromise. >> i want republicans to come to my position and democrats want the republicans to compromise to
their position. but one of the things that was astounding to me is all of these red state, the kay hagans of the world, alison lundergan grimes, they ran conservative democratic come pains that seemed like they distanced themselves from the president, stood with the nra, all of those different kinds of things. >> actually, take alison grimes for a second. it was when she wouldn't admit having voted for barack obama when everyone knew she had. she had been to the democratic convention one of those years. >> what do democrats learn from this? >> you have to be what you are. you have to be what you are in a campaign. if you try to hide what you are or try to be, as we're talking,
too bipartisan, you lower the passion of your own base and don't get the turnout that you need from african-americans, hispanics, hard core yellows in south and there are still some. >> david, we have to realize that these are national elections. you can't separate yourself from the national party anymore. >> particularly when we saw brand-name politicians like pryor in arkansas and mary landrieu fighting for her life in louisiana where in the past you might expect these are family dynasties, brand names in their own states, they might be able to buck a national trend if the president is unpopular but still have their family oriented popularity in their own states. that's not working. but we're also seeing -- and larry knows this, there's an overall trend in a lot of these states towards republicans. obama seems to have accelerated that trend in some of these
states. >> right. >> and part of it might be racially motivated and voter suppression efforts and it may be there shaking out. so it's going to be very, very difficult for democrats to win back a lot of these states and do well in these states unless they change their game plan and their general approach. >> i think that's absolutely right. i want to thank david corn and larry sabato whose class i was never able to get into at the university of virginia. >> it was my mistake, krystal. i'm sorry. up next, republicans latest ploy in their effort to repeal obamacare.
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videos have made their way across the internet and jonathan gruber made snide comments about people's understanding of obamacare and also implying that the public was tricked into supporting it. this is one of the first clips that went viral. >> black transparency has a huge advantage and basically called the stupidity of the american voter or whatever but that was basically really, really critical to get the thing to pass and it is the second best argument. i wish we could make it all transparent but i'd rather have this law than not. >> the american media has been calm. i'm just kidding, they are outraged. suggesting hearings to investigate gruber's remarks but to understand why some consider these comments to be so inflammatory, you have to go back to jonathan gruber's role. it was the economic models that helped mitt romney's health care
reform law, aka romney care become so successful. so when president obama began on his health care law in 209, gruber was one of the first people that the administration called. he was a contractor with the title, technical assistance in evaluating options for health care reform. he was the only person called reasonably able to satisfy requirements. i don't know what that means. the architect of the affordable care act while the less seems to discount him as i don't know who is he. for his part, gruber apologized in an interview on tuesday with ronan farrow. >> the comment i was speaking off the cuff and basically spoke inappropriately and i regret having made those comments. >> so for now, the republicans seem serious about investigative hearings. so as the second open enrollment begins, the fight to repeal
obamacare is alive and well. but is investigating jonathan gruber really a smart strategy for the right? joining me now, former governor nor of vermont, howard dean and mer shade december schlapp. thank you both for being with us again. governor nor, what do you make of grub better's comments here? >> i think they were arrogant and foolish but what are you going to do? people are entightened to make fools of themselves. as far as investigating whether or not to investigate, why not? the republicans investigated everything else. this is not going to lead to anything. it's not against the law to have a nit-wit running your program. >> mercedes, what do you think about the investigative hearings and to jonathan gruber's comments? >> i think the republicans are trying to bring to light the
problems with obamacare. we're going to be seeing rising rates on the penalties as well and all of these things that happen after the midterm elections. going after gruber, i'm sure the white house is just appalled and sending out the red flags saying, please stop talking. there's six video out there of gruber making these what i would call stupid comments. which, you know, in fact i think really make the american public feel like oh, my gosh, what does he mean? and then there's also a lack of transparency. it brings obamacare back into the center of the debate. >> should it be brought to the center of debate? >> absolutely. 53% of americans disagree with obamacare. >> they don't even know who jonathan gruber is and there's a new study out showing folks who have obamacare are really happy
with it. it's brought down the number of uninsured people. why do they still want to focus on the law of the land? >> it's going to be difficult to repeal. i think that you could have as many hearings as you want but, quite frankly, they couldn't do very much. the president is going to veto. even when you're looking at the medical device tax, which is a bipartisan support of getting rid -- >> both parties support it. governor, do you think it's smart strategy? put on your pretend republican hat right now. do you think it's important to focus on obamacare even to the point of having hearings on it? >> actually, i don't think it is. but that's what they do. they are not any smarter than jonathan gruber is in terms of their plt cal abilities. notwithstanding the tragedy of last tuesday. here's why it's not smart. if this collapses, which i don't think it will but if it does
because the court case now could be really damaging if it goes the wrong way, the republicans are going to be blamed. that's about 15 or 20 million people and say 30 million people are going to know somebody, 40 million even, who got their health insurance taken away by the republicans. if this collapses, there's no way you can blame the democrats for this and the republicans have been foaming at the mouth for four years about this. i think i'd leave this alone. they have plenty of things that they can do now that they have majority in both houses. >> mercedes, last fast forward a little bit through the next two years, let's say you're advising a 2016 presidential candidate. how hard do you want them to go on repealing obamacare? >> i think it will be an issue and it's an issue that they are going to be talking about. i believe it will be very difficult at the end of the day
to repeal obamacare. you can dismantle parts of it. >> how about in the primary, for example? >> absolutely. you have, in so many of the states -- and we saw this in the swing states, for example, where you had the higher premium rates, where you have the higher deductibles, where people are losing their doctors and they are saying, why can't i do go to my doctor now? there are incredible flaws to the law and i think rather than repealing it, you can dismantle it piece by piece. it's going to be difficult to do an outright full repeal. >> do you have to have an alternative plan which we have not seen yet? >> absolutely. >> my thanks to mercedes schlapp and howard dean for joining us this morning. >> thank you, krystal. still ahead, new details about the white house intruder. what one secret service officer was allegedly doing as that alleged intruder made his way towards the executive mansion.
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to jump over the white house fence and make it into the executive mansion. it's looking worse and worse for the secret service on duty that day. according to a new report from the department of homeland security, a secret service agent wasn't listening to his two-way radio that night in september. the officer reportedly didn't have his earpiece in while he was in a van. he was talking on his personal cell phone at the time. the report says that the officer's standby radio wasn't with him either. it was in his locker. it was only after he saw another officer chasing the alleged intruder did he realize what was happening. that alleged intruder, omar gonzalez, is facing several charges. carol lenick has been covering this story for "the washington post" and she joins me now. thank you for being with us. >> of course, krystal. >> talk to me about this report and what it means for the secret
service going forward. >> well, i have got to hand it to the department of homeland security. it is unflinching in its review of all of the successive failures that evening on september 19th, a friday night, when omar gonzalez made it over the fence. we reported on this on that night and we thought we knew a lot about what happened and much of it is confirmed in that report but there were even more failures that we didn't know about. one of the most dramatic is the communications failures. i mean, we've talked a lot about the k-9 handler not releasing the dog in time and we know that the system for alerting all of the officers stationed at the white house, the people protecting it, that radio system was failing in multiple ways. there was sort of a crisis
command center officer who saw the alert flash on his panel of boards telling him that someone jumped the fence but he didn't realize when he sent out a radio alert to all of the officers that they didn't ever hear that broadcast, that it was a failed broadcast. it's kind of stunning. >> it is stunning. and another piece of this report says uniformed officers weren't trained adequately because of staffing shortages. do you think that's a legitimate claim? >> i do. i've heard it so many times from advocates and former and current officers. i mean, this is a group that really -- you know, when you think about it, crystal, they are the front lines of protecting the white house and ultimately protecting the president. they are not the flashy guys with the earpieces and dark glasses and suits next to the president and next to his children and his wife. but they are the people on the exterior making sure this campus is safe and what i have heard so many times is that they are
working six and seven days out of every week. they are called in routinely on their days off. many of them are leaving. they are burned out so there are more and more junior officers. i was really dump dumb founded when i heard that training was canceled for these people because they are too short-staffed to have them out of the rotation. >> that is remarkable. carol, do you think from what you're seeing right now on capitol hill and the secret service right now as much as you have visibility there, do you think they are undergoing the sort of reforms that they need to at this point? >> i think that there are -- there's a little bit of a secret service at war with its self. and there are lots of countervailing forces. some that i've talked to said that we have to make sure that the structure is fixed and there
are plenty of people who have an interest in keeping the service the way it is. people who are part of the leadership now who are pretty defensive and don't think they've done anything wrong and think that they can be good leaders of it and they have certainly advocates on the hill and within the administration. i've heard some really compelling things. congressman cummings, who i interviewed last night, said he feels so strongly, after talking to various members of the service, that it needs a full, clean house sort of reform. >> wow. that's a dramatic statement. and we know whatever happens, you will certainly be reporting on it. you've done a great job. carol, thank you so much. really appreciate it. >> thank you, krystal. and you have probably watched it at least once or maybe twice or maybe 100 times or maybe you have the song stuck in your head. we will talk to the man who created the viral video
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unless you have spent the last week or two two in a faraw exotic island paradise without cell phone or internet access, you have likely seen the incredible new viral video, too many cooks. it's a spot-on parody of 1980s tv sitcom opening credits with its own dangerously addictive theme song. ♪ it takes a lot to make a stew ♪ ♪ a pinch of shot ♪ a scoop of kids to add the spice ♪ ♪ a dash of love to make it nice ♪ ♪ and you've got too many cooks, too many cooks, too many cooks ♪ ♪ too many cooks >> a scoop of kids to add the spice. i love that. sweet, right? not so fast. if you watch the entire 11-minute video, which first
aired late night on adult swim, it goes onto take a bizarre series of campy disturbing twists and surreal turns. some of which we are not comfortable showing you on saturday morning television. as of this morning, too many cooks has been viewed over 2.5 million times on youtube and has received major praise on social media from ordinary citizens. but also from celebrities. like pennjillette who says this is to comedy like bob dylan is to folk music. wow. inspiring and humbling. casper, thank you for being with us. >> hi, crystal. so great to be with you. it's an honor. >> did you have 234i idea that this video, which is pretty amazing, would take off like it has? >> i had no idea. it aired two weeks ago at 4:00 a.m. when i got 20 tweets, i thought, i did it! people watched it! i'm so excited.
and then it just grew and grew. and i'm flabbergasted. and now i'm here on the show with you. it's crazy. >> what could be better, really? >> talk to me about the creative process here. first you're like, oh, i g et it. that looks like roseanne. small wonder, whatever. then all the sudden an axe murder comes in and it goes crazy from there. how did you come up with a turn from the happy 8 o 0s sitcom classics into the bizarre and surreal? >> i think originally i wanted it to be like the beginning where it was just happy sitcom show intro for the the entire 11 minutes, just to drive everyone crazy, as a joke. but my boss said, i don't think you should do that. i think that's good for about four minutes. then you need to start surprising people again.
so my editor and i talked. i started just layering in more and more ideas of where this could go and surprise and start shifting generas and take a dark turn and then try to bring it back, but maybe not. and just try to always -- the key is, when the audience thinks they see a pattern, it's to surprise them again. >> yes. i think you succeeded at that, to be sure. well, my favorite character is smarf, to be sure. i think you would have to say he's the star. but buzzfeed, i don't know if you know this, created an online questi questionnaire. and you can find out which too many cooks cast member you are. i filled it out. you know what i said i'm most like? >> what, crystal? >> it says i'm like the killer. what does that say about me? >> okay. we can bond then. because that's what i got, and i was very disturbeded.
it asks you to choose your favorite soup. how does that indicate i'm like the killer? >> buzzfeed did not consult with you on this quiz. maybe you have a bone to pick with them. >> i was hurt. i was hurt. >> so which of the characters is your favorite? did you feel most inspired by? >> okay, now that i say all this, maybe it is the killer. i'm the weird person. i apologize. >> he is your creation. this is a social media sensation. we got this twitter question from craig schwartz. he wants to know if any animals were injured during the filming? of course, we see my favorite smarf die at the end. so that would be yes. >> yes, animals were injured. our crew consisted of barnyard animals poorly treated. >> that explains a few things, actually. so what's next for you, casper?
you have crazy ideas we're going to see cropping up on adult swim or elsewhere? >> oh, yes. i have a notebook full of ideas. i'm very excited. >> right now i'm working on season two of my show "your pretty face is going to h-e-l-l." i don't know if i can say that on air. >> i think you can. >> what's the wildest thing that you've heard from a fan about this particular short? >> it's impossible to -- it's overwhelming. there's so many choices that could be number one. edgar wright tweet. the people who will write five pages of analysis of what it means. i am just gobsmacked by all of it. it feels like i'm in the truman
show and it's all some kind of practical show being played on me. it's so amazing. >> what was your favorite '80s sitcom? >> this may be going back a little earlier, '70s. but i got to say the facts of life theme show. super catchy to me. >> it was definitely still going in the '80s. >> that went on. >> we shouldn't just peg you as early '80s. one of my favorites was "full house." >> oh, yes. >> which definitely i think there was full house inspiration in there to be sure. >> oh, absolutely. absolutely. >> casper, real quickly, any advice for getting the song out of your head? >> oh, boy. it's the classic of finding one that's even more crazy. >> yeah. >> and just real fast. i want to say hi to my daughters
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