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in the shadows of orlando, florida, the business of sex for bsh buyer -- chances are the trick on the other end of the line is a cop. >> there are girls. >> i knew it. >> we are on tv. are you kidding me. oh, my god. >> welcome to polk county. if you come to this county you'll get the full effect and force of the law.
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tonight msnbc returns to polk county, florida, where investigators uncover a wayward minister's temptation for young girls. >> you have someone who's going to travel to have sex with a child they need to go to prison for a long time. >> you have the right to remain silent. >> i'm going to lock you up and talk about how you are going to engage in a child in sex you are a bad person. >> have you ever had sex with a minor before. >> no, never, never. look in my eyes, nifr would never do that kind of thing. >> do you want to have sex with a minor? >> no, no. >> in central florida msnbc was granted exclusive access to a human trafficking sting run by the sheriffs police of polk county. what our cameras captured was a
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massive law enforcement effort. netting some 90 arrests in four days, including 12 pimps, a juvenile and this man, a 45-year-old youth minister named samuel un looking to buy sex with a 14-year-old girl. >> what brings you to florida. >> business trip. >> what kind of business do you do? >> police here know human trafficking is alive and well in the 21st sechblgry sglit is scary and fur naive enough though it is just here, you are wrong. we dig it out here. >> the driving force behind sting operations like these is polk county sheriff grady judd. >> we wear them out. >> after some 40 years on the job as a cop, judd knows many people, if not most, see prostitution as a victimless crime. he tells our producer he's out to change their minds. >> grace, if they could spend one evening with you and me in an undercover location, they
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would change their entire attitude. they would find out this is not two consenting adults. they would see the pimp in the parking lot. they would see how he takes advantage of her. how he has complete control of her life. she's property. she's property to be bartered with, to be sold. >> to begin the operation, sheriff investigators set up in a polk county hotel. they look for sex ads and invite women for hire up to the hotel for a date. >> can you come now or -- >> you want bare back or something like that it is extra. >> at the same time female undercovers post fake sex ads on-line to lure would be johns in to the sting. >> 70 is for 30 minutes. >> this undercover has a john on the hook. >> he's at the door. >> just before 5:00 p.m., he rooifs. the man enters the room in eager
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anticipation of a good time. unaware that sheriffs investigators are watching his every move. after some small talk, a deal for is sex is struck, and arresting officers move in. >> take your hands out your of your pocket. >> the man in custody is from nearby orlando. his second arrest for prostitution but his first opportunity to meet sheriff judd. >> welcome to polk county. where are you from, ray? >> orlando. >> you are not from polk county? >> no. >> people in polk county know better. we put you all in jail for this stuff over here. if you get out of jail and are going to violate the law don't come back. >> reporter: he is shuttle aid cross the hallway for processing while detectives reset the trap for the next john. >> oh, you are here. okay. i'm at 207. >> it is a little after 5:50
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when he arrives. again, all eyes are on a man that unaware he's about to be stung. as soon as the cash for sex deal is made officers move in. >> oh, hi god. -- oh, my god. >> stand up. don't be stupid. keep your hands, place them behind your back. >> oh, my god. >> stand up. take it like a man. >> oh, god. >> chill out. >> oh, my god. oh, my god, oh, my god. i'm so stupid. >> just made a mistake. calm down. >> take a breath. i need you to listen to me. do you have anything illegal on you? any weapons. >> i don't, i don't. >> meet patrick a 9-year-old man from orlando, unlike the previous john, he was
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well aware he was playing with fire in polk county. >> where are you from? >> right down the road. i'm so stupid. i don't know what i was thinking. something i wanted to try. curious. i had seen you on tv and you are an excellent sheriff. i don't know what i was thinking. >> are you married? >> engaged last week or a couple of weeks ago, planning a wedding. have a perfect girl. it is all ruined. >> as reality sets in, he turns on the charm and in a last-ditch bid to avoid jail. >> hope this is a good hard warning because i have learned my lesson clearly. and you are adamant about this. i know you are. and i commend you. i'm not being a kiss up or anything but i polk county sheriffs are outstanding. >> you know we put people in jail for doing that in this county. >> i know. i don't want to sound like let
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it go and -- it's going to ruin my life. really is. >> you know i don't let people go. >> oh, my god. i'm so ruined. it's over. >> his concern that his life will be ruined by a misdemeanor prostitution arrest is somewhat debatable. >> as long as you stay clean you will be okay. >> if true sheriff judd wants to make one thing clear. >> so you don't have an ounce of sympathy for the guy who is saying this will ruin my life. >> he ruined his own life. i didn't handcuff him and throw him in to the room with a prostitute and say now pay her and have sex. you did that on your own. you sought that girl out. well, buddy, you are going to get the full effect and force of the law. complete with a trip to the county jail and your picture on our jail website and a media
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release done about you. quite frankly, maybe for every john i embarrass, i scare off 100 more from doing what they shouldn't do at at least in this county. >> hang out. >> why would you have to pay somebody to hang out? >> some people do that. some people want the company.
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on a warm evening in central florida, polk county sheriffs police have turned an ordinary road side hotel in to a trap for buyers and sellers of sex. >> yeah, they are our girls. >> these women have a date with a man in 207, unaware that he's an undercover cop and their every word and deed are being recorded by police.
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>> i'm cool with everything. no anal. >> no anal, okay. >> as soon as the ground rules for sex are set and the money changes hands, sheriffs deputies move in for the arrest. the 20 and 25-year-old came up from tampa. both have lengthy rap sheets with arrests for theft, assault and battery and unlawful possession of a firearm but tonight is their first arrest for prostitution. >> where did you put the money? >> in recovering the di decoy money, police notice the women are flush with additional cash. an indication that was probably not their first appointment of the evening. >> he's in the parking lot closest to the building. >> meanwhile, in the parking lot, deputies spot a man sitting in the car ta delivered the women with. they suspect he may be their pimp. >> hands up. >> 34-year-old wesley appeared
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to be stunned by the arrest. >> wow. >> police suspect he may be high. >> it is illegal in the state of florida. >> he admits to smoking spice, also known as k-2, illegal in polk county. >> whoa. >> like the women with who he traveled he sports a long criminal history including car theft, drug trafficking and domestic violence. >> all right. take down edison's bringing the parking lot guy up. >> police march him upstairs to join his female friends for processing. alexandria, known as miss lady tells police she was unaware that anything sexual was supposed to occur. >> i want to get it straight. you came up to do what for $300. >> supposed to be for his time, hanging out. >> she says she was just tagging along with her friend renee who makes arrangements to hang out with men for money. >> why would you have to pay
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somebody to hang out. >> some people do that. some want the company of a beautiful female. i never specifically agreed -- i never did anything sexual. she will tell you. i never said anything sexual out of my mouth. >> i did ask an both of you agreed to come up for sex, offereded 300 bucks. >> she refuses to admit the purpose of her visit tonight. >> i need your name and address. >> her partner is equally reticent and says her traveling companion onis the father. >> is that your baby. >> yes. >> she confirms the claim because he has no idea what is happening or why they are under arrest. >> is that your girlfriend. >> yeah, that's her. i'm fantasy. i'm ready to be a star in a private show. 100% real and determined to
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please. >> i don't know about that. >> how many times have you given your girlfriend or these girls rides to hotels to meet guys randomly. how many times? >> none. >> if they were coming to meet somebody and it wasn't a big deal why would they need you to be security for them. >> he gives up nothing. if he is profiting from their labor he is not about to admit it tonight. instead he tries to disconnect himself from the women and their actions. >> do -- i know what they were doing, no. did i want a ride, yes, i want a ride. >> wesley you know that makes no sense. >> without the cooperation of the women, police do not have enough evidence to charge whim pimping tonight. >> my background doesn't say no pimping nothing. >> he won't get off scot-free. >> when you ride with somebody whether you are paid or not and providing security for them,
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it's called aiding and abetting. that is illegal. that's why you are going to jail. that's why you are going to jail. >> you knew where they were going? >> i was asleep in the car. >> you knew where they were going. >> what's wrong. i'm being real with you guys. >> look at these beautiful ladies. look at these beautiful ladies. but not before our producer has a chance to ask a few questions. alexandria has a few things she wants to make clear. >> i'm sure you are so pretty i'm sure you didn't get in to this on your own. >> i'm not a sex slave for sure. >> first and foremost she insists she's a free agent. >> have you ever had a pimp? >> never. >> no, no never.
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never gonna have one. >> investigators believe that alexandria may be telling the truth about never having a pimp before. >> do you know what a popcorn spimp? >> no, i don't know what that is. >> they suspect she is recruited and grooped by footman and his girlfriend. >> it is not in my blood. my mom didn't raise me that way. he said he is not a pimp but admits to a troubling history of domestic violence. >> with your wife. >> we had -- been with her 4 1/2 years. >> but you did hit her. >> yeah. that was like in the past but no time recent. >> have you ever hit a woman besides your wife? >> yeah, i have been accused of it. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> who accused you of hitting?
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>> i can't say, quite a few females did. it only happened once or twice. >> none of the female necessary other roop, right. >> yeah. >> whatever the arrangement, she is not asking for help tonight. head strong and bound for jail, she shows little sympathy for girl an women caught up in the underground sex trade. >> do you have sympathy for them. >> i think everyone makes the decision. >> they are responsible for what happens to them. >> i'm saying all of them are responsible but some are gullible and naive enough to put themselves in the situation and that's what happens. >> i knew it. we're on tv. >> are you [ bleep ] me. >> oh, my god. will you help us find a new house for you and your brother?
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with two women posting ads for what is known in the trade as a two-girl show. shortly before 8 p.m. they arrive. >> two girls coming up now. >> after small talk, a business deal is struck. $350 in exchange for half an hour of three-way sex. >> got charges on both of them. >> i knew it. i knew it. i [ bleep ] knew it. >> and we're on tv. thant about a [ bleep ] oh, my god. >> women in custody are 21-year-old haley from pennsylvania and 19-year-old -- from miami. they each had prior arrests for marijuana possession, but none for soliciting. haley sports a size able tattoo. a type of branding emblazoned on her right thigh. a typical indication she may be working for a pimp. ironically holds elevated status
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in his stable of women. >> haley seems to take the arrest harder because she perhaps fears her pimp will exact a toll on her for tonight's lost business. >> i'm not going to be able to get out. >> she scrambles in the bathroom to vomit. >> is she on any medication or anything like that? >> interestingly the younger one seems to possess the cool to calm haley down. the women are walked across the hall and processed for charges. >> wa was the deal for her over there. >> he asked if he could touch us and touch each other and we said yeah. >> for how much? >> 350. >> all right. so sex for 350 bucks. >> yes. >> haley doesn't say much to detectives, but she does respond to our producers's question
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about her tattoo and her apparent pride in working for a pimp. >> this is what i don't understand, you work so hard for your money, why would you let somebody else have it? >> because they sell you a dream. like you are part of something. >> her companion on the other hand is more forthcoming with detectives, especially when she learns she landed in polk county. >> why did you come all the way up here to polk county. >> is this polk county? ain't that about a [ bleep ]. >> what does that mean. >> hey, hey. tell me what you know about polk county. >> you guys are [ bleep ]. >> why is that. >> you are always on tv for arrests [ bleep ]. >> she tells police she's not proud of what she's doing, but right now, she says, it's paying the bills. >> it's not a hobby. it makes ends meet. i'm only 19. i wasn't planning on doing this forever. >> now is your time to stop. it is time to turn around and go
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a different direction. >> like haley, she doesn't divulge much to the police. >> she has my name at the toad on her finger and everything. >> once the pair is together in holding room they relax and offer more details of their life in think game. >> because we were going to take this call, this was our last call, our last [ bleep ] one with, bro. >> they say they were working without their pimp's knowledge because they were trying to raise enough cash to ditch him. >> 350 would have paid for gas, tolls and food and we would have been on the road to her mother's house eating right now and not having to worry about none of this and we were going to leave him. >> they say they first met about a year prior when haley's pimp sold her to the other one's pimp. >> he was going to sell me to her pimp. they had an ulterior motive and nobody told me. >> really?
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>> i get there and he's like okay, bye. i'm like what, where are you going? >> he was selling you for money? >> yeah. >> how much money. >> $5,000 every month for a year. >> the women say they bebecame fast friends when they moved to the pimp's mansion outside of tampa. it is an experience they seem to recall fondly, almost like time in a sorority. >> how many were in the stable with you? >> at one time 11. >> there were eight to 12 girls at a time. >> you weren't all living together, were you. >> no. >> we had our own rooms and everything. i had a bathroom in my room. i had a temper pedic. >> nice foreign cars. >> clothes factory to make the stripper outfits. we own two stores. >> it may seem odd to some that these young women are candid about their situation but one thing soon becomes clear, their bond of sisterhood is genuine.
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on one occasion, they were arrested for marijuana possession and their pimp refused to post bond for haley but the other chose to stay in jail with haley rather than bond out and leave her friend jail aleen. >> both of you were in jail for 17 days. >> i was supposed to get bailed out. >> she could have got bailed out but she say stayed with me. i have seizure and she witnessed my seizures and didn't want to to stay in there. >> you have epilepsy. it seems like a silly question but this lifestyle doesn't seem to be good for someone with epilepscy. >> the lifestyle is not good for anyone. >> it is not good period if i wouldn't be sitting here. if the government didn't care what i did with my body this would be a good come up. >> they are not listening to advice about changing their ways. tonight at 19 an 21 they are
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>> if you come to polking county, florida, looking to buy or sell sex, chances are good that you will get a personal tour of the county jail. if you are lucky, you may get to meet the sheriff in person. >> welcome to polk county. >> one thing for sure in this jurisdiction, you will never know when the woman you are buying or the man you are soliciting is actually an under cover cop. this undercover is in contact with a woman who calls herself nikki and visits that she is ready to play. it is 8:45 when she arrives and makes her way up to the sting room. while nikki and the under cover make small talk, a would be john arrives at the hotel, creating an all too common traffic problem for investigators. >> white male with a button up, long sleeve black shirt walking up.
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>> all right. lt, you may have a couple on top of each other. >> this john is usually cautious. before committing himself he stops outside the room and listens through the door. >> he's listening. >> do we have charges on him. >> we can only assume what he hears is enough to rattle him and scare him away. >> we have charges on him. >> investigators do not have charges on him yet, so they must let him walk. the undercover and nikki agree to swap money for sex. >> go, go, go. >> and arresting officers move in for the caller. >> stand up. >> the woman selling herself as nikki is actually serena valdez, 23-year-old from the suburbs of detroit. >> so, listen -- be cool. be cool. >> what's going to happen, guys. >> she she has prior arrests in michigan for prostitution and possession of narcotics. >> it's not the end of the world. a lot of good people make bad decisions.
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>> i had a feeling. >> he was too cute. he's not going to pay. he's too cute. he can go get it. how many girls do you guys catch, a lot? she reluctantly gives up the details. >> the guy called and wanted to hang out with him so i came. he didn't give me any money or nothing. >> what did he say he was going to give you? >> he said he was going to give me money. >> $220. >> what was he going to do in exchange for that. >> he didn't say. >> he you didn't talk about sex and anal sex. >> he brought up anal sex in the room. >> i was just like go pay the cab driver i told him. >> getting the truth is difficult but slowly she reveals more about her troubled history in the underground sex trade.
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>> how many times have you done this before? >> how many times have i got caught? >> no, how many times have you done it? >> i don't know. >> how many times have you got caught. >> third time. >> third time. >> yes. do you think the judge will give me time. >> i'm pretty sure. >> as reality begins to set in, the thought of a return to jail prompts serena's first expression of remorse. not for soliciting but disappointing her mother. >> what's she going to say? her heart is going to be broke again. >> why do you keep doing it? >> because it's easy money. >> because it's easy money. >> at the same time, detectives combing through serena's purse discover something that appears to be a crack pipe. they swab it with a chemical reagent to test for narcotics. >> that's not mine. >> who said there was crack in there. >> because it's a crack pipe.
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i'm not dumb. >> it could be meth in there. >> okay. >> it only takes a minute to get results and they are not good for serena. >> it is a positive reaction for crack cocaine. see it on the tip? >> you know what, i don't care. i'm just going to let you know, i'm a drug addict. i'm in recovery. i relapsed. signed up on back page and my mom is going to kill me. >> relapsed on cocaine? >> i did smoke crack before, yeah. >> just like, that serena picks up one more charge for narcotics. >> so i'm getting possession of cocaine. >> why do you act so surprised when you have this stuff on you and you do the things and when you are caught for it, you talk to me like it is somebody else's fault but your own. >> it's my fault. >> you are just frustrated? >> yeah. >> i understand that. >> you know how many times i have been down this road? do you have any clue. >> why do you keep going back
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down. why do you keep going down that road? >> i can't count how many times i have been arrested. i can't begin to tell you. >> when does it stop. >> when and how does it stop? is that a decision you have to make for yourself? >> yeah. i need to talk to my mom. >> serena's predicament is all too common in the underground sex trade. many women work to finance a drug habit and many use drugs to numb the psychological pain of selling themselves. it is a vicious and tragic stiek -- cycle. the michigan native tells our producer that her attempts to restart her life in florida have failed. >> you came here to start over. >> yep. >> what happened? you ended up in the same thing. >> yeah, i know. my mom's going to kill me. i don't know where i am at right now. i haven't even been here three
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weeks. >> why did you do it? sglit is easy money. >> like haley and juline before her, she was lured by the promise of easy money but after multiple run ins with the law she is beginning to learn there is no such thing in the underground sex trade. >> okay. he's coming in the front door of the lobby. >> go. >> what do you think is going to happen to him? >> i hope he goes to prison. you have someone that's going to travel to have sex with a child they need to go to prison for ar long time. what's wrong with trying new things? feel that in your muscles? yeah... i do... try a new way to bank, where no branches equals great rates.
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>> that's cool. can you come now or -- >> this undercover is taking a slightly different path. he is posing on-line as a pimp with juveniles to sell or trade. >> writing an ad. >> yeah. >> what's the substance of it? >> kind of that i have experienced girls, and i'm looking to bring in new girls or if you are looking for girls that, you know, we can trade out, basically. my goal is to find girls who are being sex trafficked and especially bait the people who are holding them. >> trying to focus on trading girls. >> it's an unusual strategy that occurred during a previous operation when dealing with a john looking for sex with a minor. >> i explained to him she was 14 years old and i get approached with him saying, 14 years old and he said have you ever thought of selling her. the man on the phone was warren white, an active duty naval
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officer looking to procure his own sex slave. >> he wanted to spend i believe 1500 and he didn't have all of the money right then. i jokingly said you make the blank check out to cash and i will deposit it later, thinking this wouldn't continue. this conversation would end because he was joking. he came up with the alternative, what about a payment plan, so in essence he was financing a human being for sex trafficking. we agreed on an installment plan. he would come to the residence and try her out, have sex with her, make sure it is what with he wanted and from there he would take possession of her and give me a down payment and we would arrange for future payments. >> on june 12th, 2012, white showed up at an undercover location thinking he was going to purchase a minor for sexual servitude.
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instead he was confronted by polk county sheriffs deputies and placed under arrest. >> what brought you here tonight? >> i came here answering an ad. >> the case was adjudicated in military court where a judge sent white to prison for 15 years. still the would be predator went down without expressing any remorse for his scheme. >> while warren white was being held, awaiting sentencing, he actually kept a journal, talking about confessing of everything he did and how he didn't feel that what he had done was that wrong. >> with the knowledge of more warren whites out there they troll the internet. setting traps for any and all who would prey upon children. >> yeah. >> it is 5:30 p.m. when sergeant daniel gets a call from an interesting party. >> what i have is experienced girls that are pretty young and i have a couple of them.
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i didn't know if you were looking to try to take possession of some girls or just looking for a one-night thing. >> the caller doesn't express interest in taking possession of a girl but he's curious about one young girl pictured in the on-line ad. >> i have one. the girl in my ad, i guess you saw the girl. that's amy. she's my adopted niece. she is 14. i know what she does but i tried to give her protection and everything. >> in speaking with him, i told him, the girl in the ad is 14 years old and the conversation from there went to what services he wanted. he agreed, asked for the address. we agreed on the price. >> here's the address of the hotel. i can give you the address so you can figure out how much it would be for a cab. >> a price of $300 is set for an hour of sex with a juvenile. the would be john says he will think it over and call back. >> he may just be wanting to get
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a blow job from her. >> from the 14-year-old. >> it is not shocking. it is kind of the routine, if you will, as to when we do one of these operation as, just a matter of time before you have the person that wants to enter in to that relationship. >> it is 9:30 p.m. when he hears back from the would be john. >> hey, man. >> this time he means business. >> he is walking in front of the building, asian male. >> outside of the surveillance team spots a man fau talking on his phone. >> room 207. >> it's the john and he's asking for the room number. >> he's on the phone. >> see you in a minute. >> okay. he's coming in the front door. you should have him in the lobby. >> police have the evidence for charges against the man because of his prior conversations with the undercover. >> we're going to let him in the room and take him. >> yeah. >> as soon as he enters room 207, the trap will spring shut.
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>> that's your guy. >> i opened the door for him and he walked in and because everything, all of our conversations prior to him arriving and not enough probably cause for the arrest. the take down team took him in to custody without incident. >> take him. go. >> you got anything on you, any guns? >> the man in custody is 45-year-old san yul un from the san francisco bay area. eun initially claims he works in florida. >> what brings you to florida. >> business. >> what kind of business? >> talking to people and computer and stuff. >> as it happens, msnbc learns that he is no businessman. he is in fact a korean youth minister attending a baptist ministry conference in orlando. where he gave a presentation about using social media to connect with young people. a quick check of his pockets yields this crumpled a migts
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ticket. >> holy sgland evidence the youth minister spent his afternoon in a nearby religious theme park before allegedly coming to buy sex with a minor. police also recover $332 cash from his pocket, more than enough to cover the $300 price for sex that he negotiated over the phone with the under cover. >> is there any doubt in your mind when he made that that he knew she was 14 and she was a minor. >> no doubt in my mind because i started the conversation off that way. i said, well, that's amy. she's 14. she's my adopted niece and i have custody of her. he said, okay. okay. i kind of reiterated throughout my conversation with him, she's in 8th grade. i need you to wear a condom. i don't need her getting pregnant. >> as a youth minister, samuel spends his days teaching teens about heaven. tonight he is getting a taste of hell. bound for the polk county jail
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he will be held to answer for his alleged crimes. but first he must answer to the wrath of congress. >> our producer grace >> please. i don't want to be ruined. i don't want my life to be ruined like this. it's a mistake. cold medicines open your nose over time, but add a breathe right strip and pow, it opens your nose up to 38% more. so you can breathe and do the one thing you want to do, sleep. add breathe right to your cold medicine shut your mouth and sleep right. breathe right. and look for the calming scent of new breathe right lavender, in the sleep aisle.
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nd never go to the post office again. okay. take it. go. >> sheriff's police in polk county, florida, are conducting a human trafficking sting. the man in custody is samuel eun, a 45-year-old youth pastor from san leandro, california. he was arrested for making a deal with an undercover officer posing as a pimp selling underage girls.
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the deal was $300 in exchange for sex with a minor. >> and is there any doubt in your mind that he knew that she was 14 and she was a minor? >> there was not a doubt in my mind just because i started the conversation off that way, and then, like i said, reiterated it through the conversation, saying, you know, what grade she was in and the fact that i didn't need to get her pregnant because she was only in eighth grade. >> after processing, he's placed in a holding room to await transport to jail. there he finds himself on the hot seat with our producer grace kong and some of the other women arrested tonight. >> can i ask you what you were doing, trolling back pages and reading ads, looking for underage girls? >> please. i don't -- i don't want to be ruined -- i don't want my life to be ruined like this. i made a mistake. it was a one-time mistake. >> wait a minute. so you don't want your life to be ruined, but you were coming here to have sex with an eighth grader. >> no, i already talked with
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her. i didn't hear what he was talking about. i didn't hear that was the case. >> i heard him say that she was specifically underage. >> eun claims he didn't understand the deal he was making for $300. and he says he was only browsing sex ads on back page because he wanted a massage. >> today i come back to my own hotel, and i was looking for a massage. >> the other women in the room aren't buying it. >> okay, let's take this to a jury. you guys are professionals. do you believe this man? >> this ain't his first time. >> it's not his first rodeo. >> hey, is this your first time paying for -- >> yeah, it's my first time. >> yeah, right. >> but that's true. i had one experience in a massage. >> aha! >> we had a happy ending, but that's my experience. >> oh, okay. >> eun admits to one prior sexual experience in a massage parlor and goes on to admit that
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he was hoping for something similar tonight. >> initially, okay, i wanted a massage. but then i got curious. and i remember that one time i got the happy ending. so i thought okay, maybe i can get a happy ending there. >> and you wanted a minor at that. don't you have kids, man? >> i'll never do that kind of stuff. >> he admits to seeking sex for money but denies that he was intending to buy sex with a minor. >> so you assumed that she was 18 or 19 years old, right? that's what you said. why is it okay for a 45-year-old guy to have sex with an 18 or 19-year-old? why does that make it better? why does that make it appropriate? that's a child. you're 45. that's the age of a child that you could have. >> if i wanted to just get a massage, i didn't think that was a really big problem. >> have you ever had sex with a marijuana before? >> never, never. look in my eyes. never. i will never do that kind of thing. >> did you want to have sex with a minor? >> no, no. >> let me ask you this. what do you think should happen to men who go online and
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deliberately buy a 14-year-old underage girl? i'm asking you. >> severe punishment. >> severe? what punishment would you suggest? >> i don't know. >> eun says he is married and has two young daughters. when asked what he might do if someone were to prey upon his own daughters, eun suggests the ultimate punishment. >> i'd probably kill him. >> right? >> yeah. >> the girls who are giving you a happy ending, they're not doing it because they want to. they're doing it because they have to. >> grace then urges mr. eun to stop and think a bit deeper about the business that his patronage is helping to prop up. >> do you have any sympathy for ladies like this who have ended up selling themselves, or do you think they do it willingly because it's a career choice? >> i don't think -- i don't think they're a career choice. >> did you know that on back pages they sell women who have been tattooed and who are exploited and have to bring in a quota for men and who beat them
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and subject them to all kinds of violence? you can understand why the sheriff of this county takes the buying and selling of girls and women very seriously. >> that's a good job. you guys should do that. >> you think he's doing a good job? >> yeah, i think so. >> samuel eun's arrest is just 1 of 22 made here tonight. but for veteran cops like lieutenant steve ward, the wayward minister is a significant catch. >> yeah, they're our girls. to me, if we had not gotten anybody else but the guy that came for the 14-year-old, that would have been successful to me. >> so what do you think is going to happen to him? >> i hope he goes to prison. obviously, he knew he was going for a child. he was told several times that she was 14. you have someone that's going to travel to have sex with a child, they need to go to prison for a long time. >> the poster child today is samuel eun. >> shortly after his arrest,
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samuel eun was front and center in sheriff judd's press conference. in part to highlight the work being done by polk county investigators. but also to alert authorities and the public out in california where eun had been working as a youth minister prior to his arrest. >> so the question is -- and we don't have the answer -- is if he was willing to have sex with a child here, was he grooming and trying to have sex with children either in his church or in his community in california? >> you have the right to remain silent, sir. anything you say can and will be used against you. >> eun posted bail and returned to the san francisco bay area. pending trial and further investigation, he was relieved of his duties by the church and prohibited from contact with minors. eun and the congregation refused our requests for further comment.
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