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has become an international hit, has brought them more. it's all very smart. but you know what, it's the fact that we finally washed the damnt-shirt and it doesn't live on the desk skeeving everybody out anymore, that's the best new thing today. our office has 100% less of what appeared to be nazi regalia. now it's time for "the last word" with lawrence o'donnell. good evening, lawrence pop i just have one question. does nick always wear a t-shirt under his t-shirt? >> he is a very tidy man? he's very tidy and i don't think i can speak for him beyond that. >> so it's not just because you're a family show and you didn't want a moment where nick might reveal his upper nakedness. >> i'll have him text you about it later. thanks, lawrence.
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buffalo, new york, is used to snowstorm, but the people there are now shocked by the six feet of snow that is burying their area. at least one body has been found buried in the snow. and today would have been brittany maynard's 30th birthday, and her family released a new video that she made before she died. but first, president obama is finally ready to announce how he will use executive action to provide work permits to millions of undocumented immigrants. >> outrage owned the day. >> prunes seem to be gearing up for war. >> ted cruz is calling h ima monarch. >> get a grip. >> they all say that the president is overstepping his authority. >> steps that i can take to start fixing our broken immigration system. >> he does not want to go down as the deportner chief. >> the president seems to be fed up. >> washington has allowed the problem to fester for too long. >> doing what he has to do. >> creating a very big political
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fies storm. >> why couldn't he wait to see what this new congress does? >> we've given them time, 510 days to be exact. >> for a lame duck, president obama sure is ruffling a whole lot of feathers. >> it's height of arrogance. >> stop making threats and respect the constitution. >> get a grip. >> many of those tea party types are saying shut down the government. >> you don't govern through executive order. you govern through shut downs and imimpeachmepeachment. >> i think the congress should ready the lawyers. the president doesn't get to make it up himself. >> he should be working with congress to do nothing together. >> we're now less than 24 hours away from the official beginning of the immigration showdown. >> hi, everybody. tomorrow night i'm going to be announcing hire from the white house some steps that i can take to start fixing our broken
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immigration system. what i'm going to do is announce things i can do to make the system better even as i work with congress to encourage them to get a bipartisan comprehensive bill that can solve the entire problem. >> president obama's announcement tomorrow night could allow work permits to be issued to almost half of the 11 million undocumenteds immigrants in the country today. republican outrage continues to mount. >> this is something i struggled with throughout my presidency. the problem is that i'm the president of the united states. i'm not the emperor of the united states. my job is to execute laws that are passed. and congress right now has not changed what i consider to be a broken immigration system. >> so he was telling people a year ago, hey, chill. i'm not an emperor. i can't do it. what he didn't say was, i don't
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care about any of that. the only thing that's stopping me is an election coming up. and when the election is over, that's when i'll do it. i'm not going to do that before that because i'll hurt my party and maybe me. he should have just told them to be patient until wait until after the election because he doesn't believe he's not an emperor. he is an emperor and he's going to prove it whenever he does this. >> the spoken for the republican speaker of the house john boehner said if emperor obama ignores the american people and announces an amnesty plan that he himself said over and over again extends his authority. >> in an op-ed ted cruz said it is lawless, it is unconstitutional, he is defiant and angry at the american people. if we acts by executive dictate, president obama will not be acting as president. he will be acting as a monarch.
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ted cruz then gave republican senate leader mitch mcconnell his marching orders. if the president announces -- let's see. if the president announces executive amnesty, the new senate majority leader who takes over in january should announce that the 114th congress will not confirm a single nominee, executive or judicial, outside of vital national security positions, so long as the illegal amnesty persists. additionally, the new congress should exercise the power of the purse bypassing individual appropriations bills authorizing critical functions of government and attaching writers to strip the authority from the fot grant amnesty. tonight, president obama invited eight democratic senators and 11 democratic house members to dinner to discuss his immigration plan. when asked why republicans were not invited, white house press secretary josh earn nest said this. >> sadly, if it were only dinner
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that was required to get republicans to act in bipartisan fashion, then we would have passed bipartisan compromise immigration reform legislation quite some time ago. >> joining me now, robert costa, national political reporter for "the washington post" and henry fernandez, a senior fellow at the center for american progress. henry fernandez, what is your understanding of the president's legal authority that you expect him to cite tomorrow night? >> it will be interesting to see what the president says. he certainly has very broad legal authority, lawrence. this is something that's been done by a number of presidents, certainly all 11 presidents going back to eisenhower have used executive action on immigration. so he has broad legal authority. under the theory of prosecutorial discretion, which all executive officers have, and he can move aggressively to create legal opportunities for
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millions of people who are currently undocumented. we're currently deporting 1,000 people a day. this is something that has to stop. it's tearing families apart. unfortunately, congress hasn't acted. actually the senate did act, but the house hasn't acted. and so he's taking steps that he has clear legal authority to do so. and we look forward to this being a bold move by the president to make a real difference for families that are is really suffering. >> i haven't heard a democrat able to cite an elected democrat in washington able to cite the legal authority for the president. i did have an immigration law expert on here showing some of the legal authority the president has, but i also have not heard a single republican cite what they believe is the legal basis for their objection. what is their legal citation
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that says the president does not have authority to do this? >> there are a lot of lawyers in congress, but it's really not a legal argument they're making. it's a broad constitutional one. they think the president is operate, creating law without constitutional authority. he's doing it around congress and that's irritated them. it's infuriated them. >> the 1986 immigration reform law, the legal precedent established first by john lennon in his legal case and others have have shown that there is this prosecutorial discretion, there is this power that the president, through the attorney general has about deferred action. there are these citations that i can offer that i've learned on this show from the legal experts. i haven't heard one word from republicans other than unconstitutional. but when you stand in front of the supreme court and you say unconstitutional, you have have got to cite statutes and precedents that indicate it's
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unconstitutional. >> whey'm hearing from allies of mcconnell and speaker boehner is that thayey're going to use the courts. they're not sure of the arguments to use so they're going to have a lawsuit gep the president, sue the administration. >> but henry fernandez, the other reaction here, ted cruz has an interesting inconsistency in his statement. he says it's completely unconstitutional, it's lawless and then his final line is, they should attach writers to certain bills, quote, to strip the authority from the president to grant amnesty. so in his final line he has granted to the president the authority. this is harvard law school student ted cruz. butt other thing they can do, if they really believe the authority isn't there, they can immediately in january pass legislation that specifies that the authority is not there and specifically remove this kind of prosecutorial discretion, which
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does now exist in the law. >> it wouldn't pass the senate and it would be vetoed by the senate. but they could also take a more serious step which is they could pass comprehensive immigration reform. i think it's pretty clear that if the senate bill was given an up or down bill it would happen. >> it's never going to happen. >> i don't disagree that that's not going to happen. my point is simply that here, we have a situation where the house has created this problem, and to say it's unconstitutional is really, i think, pushing the bounds of just serious discussion. we actually had the federal society, which is kind of the hallmark of conservative lawyerdom had a dolphins last
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week and they brought together a series of conservative lawyers to talk about just this issue. and they all agreed that he had broad discretion to do exactly this. >> robert costa, your last word on this. >> i would just say the republicans are in a difficult position right now. they're not sure if they're going to be able to have their agenda they want early in the year, tax reform, trade agreements. they're boxed into now a fight over government funding. and ted cruz talking about holding up nominations, using a series of spending bills puts the leadership in a tough position. >> completely changes whatever their agenda was going to be. thank you very much both for joining me tonight. at the republican governor association today, scott walker and rick perry suggested the pocket of suing president obama over his immigration executive order. >> i wouldn't push a shutdown. i think you go to court. >> you would go to the court?
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>> i think there's a compelling argument. >> the incoming governor of texas who, by the way, is going to be a fabulous governor, his job description over the last six years when he was asked what do you do, he said i go to the office, i sue obama, and i go home. >> so you think texas will have the authority to challenge this executive orderer? >> i do. >> i want to show republican governor john kasich's reaction, which is completely different to everything we've heard from republicans today. let's listen to this. >> the issue of citizenship i've heard lots of voices on it. i'm not closed to it. you know why? because everyone in this country has to feel sas if they have an
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opportunity. i know what they did. i know they jumped the line. i don't like it. there's a lot of people who have gone through legally who have not jumped the line who are bitter about this. but at the end of the day, it may be necessary. i'm open to it, i will tell you that. i'm hope to it. >> casey, can a republican governor at that meeting get away with saying i'm open to it? >> at this meeting lawrence, sure. now, if he wants to run for president in 2016, i'm not sure it would survive the gauntlet of the republican primary. kasich's answer was really striking because it was so different from every other republican governor on the stage. i sbrinterviewed three of them today, and i pressed all of them after they discussed their opposition to this executive order on what they would do with the millions of people who are here illegally. there's something that has to be done and they all do acknowledge that it's a problem, but they
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can't come up with a policy prescription. all they say is we need to secure the border. as we look made to 2016, that's really going to be the tough spot that some of these potential candidates are in. chris christie was also asked today whether or not he would overturn this executive order if he were to get elected president. he refused to answer, because he said it was a hypothetical. but i think the first person that you might ask about this subject on the republican side is actually mitt romney. and he learned the hard way about what the primary process can do on this issue to set you up badly for the general election. >> did anyone explain to chris christie that every question asked today was a hypothetical? >> i'm not sure that will get you far for governor christie. but he was pressed. i asked him one question, others asked him several. he wouldn't say whether or not
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he was supportive of a path to legalization. again, he says that's something that would only come if he were to declare his candidacy. and that he's still the sitting governor of new jersey. >> thank you very much for joining us tonight. >> thanks, lawrence. good to see you. coming up, the woman who had this wall of snow come into her house will join me to talk about the intense deadly winter snow that's buried homes and cars in upstate new york. and drones have been spotted by commercial airline pilots near new york's kennedy airport flight path. this is a very dangerous situation for anyone landing, taking off at jfk. and in the rewrite tonight, i have once again found a perfectly legitimate, contemporary, news of the day reason to run what could be my favorite political sound bite of all time.
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demand for dark chocolate, of course, which takes more cocoa to make than milk chocolate. gann that a ghana and ivory coast are suffering through dry weather and some crops have been hit by a fungus outbreak. so, you know, it looks like we're just going to have to share. up next, i just got off a phone from a friend of mine in buffalo. the deadly snowstorm is beyond anything people up there has ever seen before.
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early this morn, a 46-year-old man was found dead
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buried under snow in an automobile 20 miles east of buffalo. a state of emergency remains in effect tonight in western new york where a massive storm left parts of buffalo buried under nearly sick feet of snow. the national weather service says the next round of lake-effect snow is passing through upstate new york tonight, possibly bringing an additional two feet of snow to erie county by tomorrow evening. right now, members of the national guard are coordinating with local and state officials to help with the response. there have been seven deaths related to the storm. today, governor andrew cuomo said all occupants of passenger vehicles stuck on the new york state throughway have been evacuated. and he urged people to stay indoors. major snowstorms are, of course, common in buffalo, but these last two days have left people there shocked. >> i saw buffalo, west seneca, it's slammed. they got three to four feet.
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>> to come down this fast in this short of time it's nothing like i've seen. >> it's happened before, but never this deep. >> this is kind of crazy. >> four feet of snow is insane. >> in one day. but to not even be technically called a blizzard. it wasn't even a blizzard. >> we've seen lake-effect snow but it's rare how it set up, just stood there and said hey, here you go, western new york, enjoy. >> joining me now from new york is nbc news correspondent. sarah, do we have any idea how many people are trapped in their homes at this point? >> well, good evening, lawrence. we don't have an exact number but we can illustrate how many people are trapped inside their homes. i'm standing several feet above a side street. a neighborhood street where you can see these homes just feet of snow backed on the roof. just a few minutes ago, we met two people with groceries in their hands.
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they were taking food to their elderly aunt. the only people who can access this road who are not on foot are snowmobilers. take a look at this speed limit sign behind me. that will give you just an idea of just how deep this snow on this street is. and then you come down, you caulk down several feet here and now you are actually on the roads. this gives you an idea of why authorities are cautioning people to stay indoors and stay off the roads unless absolutely necessary. they're describing this as a three-part storm. part one was that huge up to six feet of snowstorm in the area. now we're moving into phase two. that's up to two feet of snow overnight. phase three, they say, is going to come over the weekend when the temperatures warm and we have potential flooding. so people here dealing with a long week of inclement weather, a long week of dangerous conditions for them. >> we're joined now by phone
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from a resident. we're showing what appears to be your front door where, i guess, the door opened and your house filled with snow. tell us about that. >> that's actually my backdoor. the french doors that have you see, the snow fell off the roof and joined the six feet of snow on the ground and the door just couldn't take the pressure. they just blew right in. >> are you trapped in the house now, or can you get out? >> we do have access to get out on to, you know -- we're fully surrounded by feet of snow, but if we were to open the garage door, we would be able to crawl out. >> and are you aware, have you been in contact with your neighbors by phone? how many people in your neighborhood are in your situation? >> it's all around us. the firefighters that came
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actually had to walk a couple -- >> are we clear? >> what do you need now besides warm weather to warm what's outside and snow removal? >> just to make sure everyone is sa safe. it's very dangerous. . >> and i understand today is your four-year wedding anniversary. i think you're going to remember this one for a long time. >> oh, absolutely. >> and how many people are staying in the house with you chris? >> myself, my husband, we have five children here as well as three of the children's friends. >> and you're warm enough and you have enough food? >> oh, yes. >> all right. great to hear from you, chris hazard. hang in there, the snow will eventually go away. and sarah dollof, also for have you much. thank you for joining me tonight. coming up, brittany maynard
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we're for an opens you internet for all.sing. we're for creating more innovation and competition. we're for net neutrality protection. now, here's some news you may find even more surprising. we're comcast. the only isp legally bound by full net neutrality rules. >> in the spotlight tonight, brittany maynard would have turned 30 today. and today, the brittany maynard fund released this new video. >> i hope for the sake of other
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american citizens all these people that i'm speaking to that i've never met, that i'll never meet, that this choice be extended to you. that this right that we mobilize, that we vocalize, that we start to talk about it. i decided to share my story because i felt like this issue with death with dignity is misunderstood by many people in our community and culture. and i really wanted people to understand that. as i went through the process of being approved for death with dignity that i felt very valued by my physicians here and very protective. there's no way i could have been possibly coerced into this. it's not a fear-based choice. it's a logical-based choice.
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and coming to realize how much our culture fears death and shuns death and how much of the medical community almost -- on the patient side, it feels as though they view death as a failure. which i understand, except not when you're dooling with terminally ill patients. because by definition, they are dying. if i can play even the smallest part in helping to reduce fear or misunderstanding, then it's worth speaking up for. >> we've got to have death with dignity. she wanted it, and anyone that's watching this, contact your assemblyman. contact your politicians who vote on this. >> i know my family will continue to carry this torch along for me, that they'll believe in the importance of what i'm doing. if there's one message to come
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away with from everything that i've been through, it is no matter what life kind of presents you with is never be afraid to use your own voice. and even if you are uncertain, even if your voice is shaking, ask the questions you want to ask, speak up for yourself, advocate. >> since brittany's first video, legislatures in pennsylvania have introduced a death with dignity bill and last week in new jersey, the death with dignity act passed in the state assembly. the issue has also recently been debated in connecticut, massachusetts, maine and new hampshire, and according to the group compassionate and choices, legislators in nearly a dozen states will introduce legislation next year. joining me now is anita freeman who you just saw featured in that video. anita, i know that your sister elizabeth died of stage iv cancer and you know volunteer
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with compassion and choices. it seems that brittany's message has gotten out there, and there has been a -- this seems to be a real political movement now thanks to brittany. >> absolutely. if it wasn't for brittany, this message would not have gone national. and now, because of her, and other people's stories, we're able to keep the momentum going. we have got to somehow get our lawmakers in california where i live to give us this freedom, to give us this ability to choose what happens to us when we're terminal. we're of sound mind. we want that choice to go to sleep peacefully with our families surrounding us and not
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have to endure the nightmare my sister had to endure, that i stood and watched helplessly. and we got no help when the morphine wouldn't work and phentonol patches and anything that we tried to get her some comfort from the agonizing pain. it just didn't work. and we had to endure that. >> anita, it's interesting to me looking at the map of the states that approved this, only five approved it at the level that oregon does, but montana, washington and oregon. it's an interesting cluster in the northwest where this has -- this notion has taken hold. and it seems to me when you stare at that map, you know, california really with the momentum coming out of brittany's so visible choice,
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that there really should be some movement on this in california. >> you have a very strong catholic base here in california. it's a very high latino population, and they seem to go with catholic religion. and as i'm sure you know, the vatican has zoeg disdisapproved brittany did and called it reprehensible, which, that is a crime in my opinion. because until you've experienced and been in a room with a loved one that is enduring just unbearable pain, it is the only humane thing to do is to let them choose if that's what they want, to go to sleep peacefully. so why in california we as a very liberal state have not
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enacted it, we're going to change that. we are putting together, and i am very active in trying to get it in front of the mayors and get something done here. >> anita freeman, i'm very sorry for you loss and i really appreciate you joining us tonight. >> you bet. anytime. >> thank you. coming up next, "the rewrite." you know how fast you were going? about 55. where you headed at such an appropriate speed? across the country to enhance the nation's most reliable 4g lte network. how's it working for ya? better than ever. how'd you do it? added cell sites. increased capacity. and your point is...
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>> it's three agencies of government when i get there are gone. commerce, education and -- what else is there? >> five. >> commerce, education and the --
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>> epa? >> epa, there you go. kick perry is working hard to change his image. before he was a declared candidate for president in 2011, there were many democrats, republicans and political analysts, not me among them, who believ believed that once he became a presidential candidate, he would crush mitt romney, king king king and crowded clown car of republicans. he failed to do that because of a peculiar weakness for a three-term governor. he was unable to speak or think in public and make the slightest bit of sense. it seemed like one of those low information voter -- the kind that jonathan gruber talks about. it was almost as painful for us to watch as it was for rick
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perry to live through. he's gearing up now for his second and probably final presidential campaign and his first move was to try to look smarter and more thoughtful by relying on an old trick that actors and maya members on trial have been using for years. he got himself -- here they are, some eyeglasses. now, he still doesn't look like professor perry, but okay. it's a start. his public confidence in his ability to rewrite his image comes not from his new eyegla eyeglasses but from a very successful democratic party politician. this is what rick perry told "the washington post" about his image as a failed, incompetent presidential candidate. it's always there, just as bill clinton's 1988 convention speech is always there. what he mean, of course, is you know whenever you think of bill
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christian ton, all you think about is his 1988 convention speech four years before he ran for president? oh, that's not what you think of? well, here is bill clinton's 1988 convention speech. >> if we ever get to the point where our parents don't prefer their children's future to their present, we've had it and don't you forget it. michael dukakis will never, never, never forget it. in closing -- [ applause ] i want you to remember -- i want you to remember -- it is wicked odd for a democratic governor to get booed at a democratic convention. but he managed to do it, not because of the content of his speech, but because it was so
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horribly boring and more importantly, so unbearably long. the delegates were actually trying to boo him off the stage because they couldn't take it anymore. bill clinton wisely figured out exactly what he had to do next. he had to publicly confess his sin and beg the king of the popular culture side of american politics for forgiveness. and so he did that on johnny carson's "tonight show." >> i wanted so badly to make michael dukakis look great and i succeeded beyond my wildest expectations. >> there was bill clinton doing the most important thing you could possibly do on "the tonight show" making johnny laugh. how boring could bill clinton be if he could make johnny laugh? when bill clip ton made johnny laugh, that was the moment that democrats and republicans should have been on notice that this is
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a political performer who is a force to be reckoned with, because he can go on stage and do the most difficult in politics -- openly deal with a mistake he's made and be completely engaging with the audience while he's doing it. and understanding popular culture, as bill clinton did, he knew exactly where he had to go to perform that little trick. he knew exactly who he had to make laugh. and he did. johnny laughed. problem solved. rick perry has a much bigger problem than bill clinton did back then. bill clinton's sin was he was a politician who had made exactly one high profile speech in a world where most politician speeches are mostly boring. rick perry would be lucky if his problem was he had been too boring as a presidential candidate. there was nothing boring about rick perry's candidacy.
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bill clinton's challenge in 1988 was to become less boring and more entertaining. but not more entertaining than johnny carson, just more entertaining than other politicians, which is a very, very low bar. rick perry's challenge is do rewrite his image from class clown to rhodes scholar which bill clinton actually was. but there is hope for rick perry. when you consider just how smart you have to sound to get a presidential nomination. >> $10,000? $10,000 bet? >> i love this country. i should love this state. this feels good being back in michigan. you know, the trees are the right height. i like being able to fire people and provide services to me. any old girlfriends here? corporations are people, my friends. oh, have to be careful. anne is not here today. don't tell.
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who let the dogs out? who? who? >> and there is hope for rick perry when you consider just how smart the last governor elected president actually sounded. >> there's an old saying in tennessee, i know it's in texas, probably in tennessee, that says fool me once, shame on -- sthha on you. fool me -- can't get fooled again. >> it might be something in the water in the texas governor's mansion. [singing to himself] "here she comes now sayin' mony mony". ["mony mony" by billy idol kicks in on car stereo] ♪don't stop now come on mony♪ ♪come on yeah ♪i say yeah ♪yeah ♪yeah ♪yeah ♪yeah ♪yeah ♪yeah ♪'cause you make me feel like a pony♪ ♪so good ♪like your pony ♪so good ♪ride the pony
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>> unen maed drones were flying close to commercial airliners. nbc news confirmed that this afternoon the pilot of jetblue flight 842 from savannah reported a drone flying at 400 feet as the plane was approaching the jfk. on sunday, the pilot of virgin atlantic flight 9 from london reported a drone flying at 3,000 feet around the airport. a minute later, the pilot of delta flight 838 from san diego said a drone was flying too close to the aircraft's left wing. the federal aviation authority and the fbi are investigating those incidents. yesterday the national transportation safety board ruled that drones are considered aircraft and are therefore subject to faa flight regulations. there are laws prohibiting the use of drones in restricted air space or at public event, but there is still no overall set of faa regulations pertaining to
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drones. the use of commercial drones is also prohibited by the faa. but the government can make exceptions, like they did in september when they granted six production companies permission to use drones for filming. in 2012, congress directed the faa to safely integrate dreens of all sizes into u.s. skies by fall of 2015. the faa is not expected to meet that deadline. joining me now is former commercial pilot jim tillman. jim, i'm scared. they've got me scared. i fly in out of jfk a lot. i know birds can bring down an aircraft. can a drone bring down an aircraft? >> you bet it can. >> how would you like to have that machine getting sucked into an engine? >> and that's how it happened. the birds get sucked into the engine and that's what brought down the plane that sully landed on the hudson river, the birds.
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>> that's correct. this kind of event into commercial aviation skies has me scared, too. >> and so what would you -- when you hear reports like this, three drone reports out of jfk recently, a couple of them within minutes of each other, you have options in new york city. there's three airports here. there's three ways of fly out of here. as of now, i just don't want to go up to jfk. >> it doesn't make any difference. i think the boundaries of one airport over another are going to govern the activity of people on the broupd who are irresponsible. >> let's face it. drones are here to stay. we're not going to get rid of them tomorrow. we have to educate the public and understand just how dangerous this can be for people untrained and using equipment that i don't really understand and flying in areas that they have no experience in is just a real dangerous situation. and somebody may get hurt. >> airports have spent years
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figuring out how to minimize, reduce or eliminate the bird problem in and around airports including in some airports having for years just, you know, people with rifles out there literally shooting them down. what can you imagine can be done given what we now know to try to control these things? >> i fully expect that the authorities are going to come down very hard on anybody that violates the safety. and we're talking about just common sense. anything that becomes careless and negligent and uchb dus plined in the use of an aircr t aircraft, any kind of aircraft, particularly something like that that could be flying at an altitude that could very dprusly affect air traffic. >> jim, let's assume for a moment the most, you know, so-called innocent explanation is these are recreationalists, these are people out there kind of fooling around. there's another possibility with this kind of technology.
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terrorists could be out there have been deliberately trying to take down an aircraft at jfk. and fw they are determined to do that with this technology, it seems from the pilot reports we're getting now, there really isn't anything that's stopping them. >> there isn't. and that's scary. it definitely is very, very scary. because, you no know, the thing the technology has gone far beyond the regulations now. we have laws. you fly those in vicinity of the airport or general aviation aircraft and you're violating a law. you can be penalized very heavily for it. god forbid something happen that would really be a tragedy. that would change everything. >> jim tillman, thank you very, very much for joining me tonight. chris hayes is up next.
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tonight, what we know about the president's >> i think in the end politically it's bad move for him. then nbc and netflix distance themselves from bill cosby and two more women come forward with rape allegations in the past week. plus, another massive snowstorm bears down on buffalo. and actress eva longoria has a new documentary about where our food comes from and who picks it. >> if you want to make change, you need to look at people at the very top. >> tonight my interview with eva longoria. >> there's a human cost to everything that's on your plate. "all in" starts right now. good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. and it is happening. 24 hours from now in a primetime address before the nation, the president

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