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that's all for now. "the ed show" is up next. welcome to "the ed show." live from detroit lakes, minnesota. let's get to work! ♪ >> first of all global warming is not taking place. it's laughable right now with all the records being sent. >> 2014 will go down as the warmest year around the globe in recorded history. >> i do not believe that human activity is causing the dramatic changes to our climate. >> the carbon emissions regulations are creating havoc. >> calling co-2 a pollutant is doing a disservice to the country and to the world. >> there the not agreement around the fact of exactly what
is causing this. >> this year's record fuelled by the warming associations with seven consecutive months of new high temperatures. >> in the last 15 years there has been no recorded warming. >> hot temperatures low humidity and strong winds are fueling a growing wildfire. >> we have people with their lives tied up in trying to make this hoax a reality. ♪ >> good to have you with us tonight, folks. let's start 2015 with a declaration here that i'm not a scientist. and you probably aren't either but you know what? you don't have to be a scientist to figure this out. we start this year with a very important issue heading into 2015, climate change and we are days away from republicans calling all of the shots on capitol hill. their agenda is basic, keystone corporate tax cuts a bad trade deal in the tpp and deregulate
wall street. that's what they're all about. nothing's changed. americans who care about climate change will have to take a rain check. there will be no legislative effort to address the problem facing our globe. 2014 is set to be the warmest year globally in history. the final numbers for december haven't been officially released by noaa. the first 11 months were the warmest on record. last year we saw seven straight months of record high ocean temperatures from the month of may to november. now, are we to believe that you know, this is just kind of freaky it's no big deal. that's the case that climate deniers in washington are going to make and are not going to pay attention to it for two years. what we are going to hear is a lot of this. >> i live in wisconsin. there were i think 200 foot thick glaciers in wisconsin. how do you explain that -- it's
a -- >> before man had a -- how do you -- >> the statement that you made is false. >> what we have to look is the fact that you don't make good laws sustainable laws when you're making them on high pop seize -- i do not believe that human activity is causing these dramatic changes to our climate. >> the problem with climate change is there is not a day that the climate is not change. >> you do not believe there is any manmade reason for global warming or climate change? >> what i think is the data are not supporting what the advocates are arguing. the last 15 years there has been no recorded warming. >> and these are the folks in charge now.
science denying republicans are dead wrong. it's no coincidence. three of the warmest years on record have happened in the past decade. 2005, 2010 and most likely 2014. it's not just warming temperatures. america is witnessing first hand the devastating effects of climate change. this year the state of california had its worst drought in over 1200 years. even the recent rainfall the state needs 11 trillion gallons of water to recover. over the summer we saw a water ban for 400,000 people in toledo, ohio. warmer temperatures and fos frous runoff from farms caused algae blooms in lake erie. this summer also brought record wildfires to the western portion of the united states. washington state, for example, experienced its largest wildfire in state's history. roughly 400 square miles of land
burned with 300 structures lost. the list of climate change related events in 2014 it's long. and it's disturbing. unfortunately last year also brought disasters in the form of oil spills. back in march, 168,000 gallons of fuel oil spilled in galveston bay, texas after an oil barge collided with another ship. it effected wildlife and hurt the local economy which revolves around fishing. we saw this absurd scene in california. a pipeline ruptured sending 10,000 gallons of crude turning the streets of l.a. into a river of oil. in louisiana, the state of louisiana saw one of the largest pipeline spills this year. in october, the mid valley pipeline ruptured. over 4,000 barrels of crude were
spilled. some of the oil entered a creek that feeds cato lake near shreveport louisiana. meanwhile, almost five years later, louisiana is suffering from the 2010 bp oil spill. they will tell you everything's good. not true. the state reopened fishing grounds on december 10th. but if you talk to local fishermen, that's just not the case. >> i was looking at my figures before i came here. for the first 18 days of the month before bp in 2009 we did 2 million pounds and this year we did 129,000. we are down to about 4%. and it's a tough situation. it's hard to just imagine getting 4% of your check and see how good you'd be doing. >> none of the 2014 events will faze republicans. they are going to come forward
and say we need more oil and got to have more coal and of course we need less and fewer epa regulations. you know the drill. nothing's going to change. so what can we expect from the weather in 2015? and if we have disasters, will a republican congress -- with all the power -- will they spend the money to restore lives and damage? are we going to get more storm sandy treatment the from this outfit. big questions but i fear they will not address climate change. get your cell phones out. tonight's question will republicans do anything to help combat climate change? text a for yes and b for know to 67622. we start this "the ed show" 2015 with climate change because i think it has to be talked about.
is it a mammoth story and it's going to be worse if we do nothing in the next two years. for more let me bring in paul douglas, a senior meteorologist at meet logic group in minneapolis and also reese halter a conservation biologist. his book is called "shepherding the sea: the race to save our oceans." paul, you first what are the chances to have a similar 2015 to what we had in the last 12 months? >> i think that 2014 will be the warmest year on record according to the climate scientists i know and respect. in terms of the noaa data bay it's a slam dunk even though much of the eastern u.s. skewed cooler. the nasa database are saying a 60 to 70% probability that 2014
will be the warmest year. 14 of the last 15 years the warmest on record. the air temperatures have plateaued. there is some truth to that. but the warmth is going into the oceans. we are conducting an experiment on the world's ocean. and as a meteorologist i'm seeing the symptoms of a warmer wetter, more volatile climate. just like if someone is running a fever of a couple of degrees you see the symptoms on that person. they are running a fever. maybe they have a rash or blister and are sneezing. you say what's two degrees? well, two degrees can be a big deal and we're going to see more of those symptoms during 2015. >> amazing. >> more jaw dropping examples of weather extremes is in the pipeline for this year. >> yeah. dr. halter it all revolves around the oceans and the great lakes.
what signal is that bringing the world? >> happy new year to you, paul and ed. what we are really concerned with are these are the facts. cancer is on the rise. heart disease is the number one disease in the united states. and one in three people are in pain and take pain medications. how does this relate to the oceans? let me tell you. the coral reefs, the bio diversity hot spots around our planet, half are dead. the strongest pain cancer and heart disease medicines come from these reefs. we are fueling this. we're killing our life support system. this is an s.o.s. it's a call to action. and it's disgraceful that the public officials are sneering at science. >> well if the oceans continue
to get warmer, what is this going to do to the fishery? what is this going to do to the longevity of the species that are out there? i mean how much warmer can the oceans get before it starts to take its toll? >> well right now we're seeing the toll. here are the other facts nine out of the ten surface fisheries are in decline. the bottom fisheries are being smashed at 150 times what's happening with clear cutting on the lands. the whales are being poached by japanese ocean killers. the dolphins are being slaughtered. they're the doctors of the sea. the shark population over the last eight years, 660 million sharks are gone. nine out of ten have been poached. it's a free for all and we know what's ahead. so now we got to take action.
worldwide. and by the way, the united states is the greatest country in the world and we have to provide the leadership for china and the other nations to follow ed. >> yeah. paul, are you concerned about the politics of all of this? and i'll ask both of you, paul you first. what if we do nothing? what if we come back here two years from today and have done nothing on climate change and taken no measures whatsoever? i'm not too confident that the people in power are paying attention to what is happening on the globe. if you look at the people in power and the republicans, they have said some things about conservation. they have made statements about caring about the planet. but i don't see any action. paul, your thoughts? >> well ed i'm a christian. i'm also a moderate republican and scientist and meteorologist and businessman. and i'm going to quote scripture on your show. maybe for the last time.
man has been appointed as a steward for the management of god's property ultimately he will give account for his stewardship. that is luke 16: 2. how did the republican party go from reverence and respect to the environment to let's plunder the planet and take our chances and treat the earth like a dirty atm card. the republican party has a rich tradition of stewardship. george h.w. bush the clean air act. president nixon launched the epa and ronald reagan in 1984 said i'm proud to be one of the first to recognize that the states and the federal government have a duty to protect the natural resources from the effects of pollution. how did we get from there to here? i tell people who are
incredulous, how can people deny evidence and data? i say follow the money. trillions of dollars in carbon still in the ground. people the richest corporations want to harvest that carbon. that is why we have this debate about facts. act evidence about data. >> yeah. well put. you can quote scripture any time you want on this show. >> dr. halter what if we do nothing the next two years? >> it will be a full-on disaster. you can expect higher highs, lower lows. you can expect more intense tornados down tornado alley. the droughts will deepen. the wildfires will worsen and everyone on the street by the way, will be paying more for the groceries. but you know here's -- that's what could be. but change is opportunity in
disguise. entrepreneurs know this. it's time to future-proof america. it's time to do our water systems over. weather-proof our buildings and spend dollars on main street in every community. after all, isn't that what the republicans are about? the people on the ground, ed? >> well, they say they are. >> ed? >> go ahead, paul. >> reese has a perfectly good point. it's going to come down to jobs. if we don't come up with market-based solutions by putting a price on carbon those jobs are going to go to china and possibly finland and who knows where else. but ultimately we need to put a price on carbon so that the market can come up with the solutions, the thousands of new businesses that will create responsible energy.
we need the energy. that's a given but there's a way to create that responsibly and the key is the markets. it's got to come from the ground up. >> i would add in 2014 we found -- we found the -- the bullet, supercritical steam from solar theermal energy in australia is the answer. throughout the southwest, we can light up this nation with innovation innovation is our best friend and that -- those are millions of long-term, clean, real jobs. there's no problem here. it is time to roll up our sleeves. >> dr. reese halter, paul douglas great a have you with us tonight. it is a very important subject. are we going to be our brother's keeper? and of course we're going to have disasters and tornados and hurricanes and big storms.
there will be damage. what will be the conversation in washington? more offsets and digging into retirement and pension and social security to pay for disasters that are coming because we're paying no attention to climate change? elections have consequences. be prepared. we'll do nothing on climate change the next couple years. the only person to push it forward is probably the president. maybe he can motivate the republicans to pay attention to facts. we have our first oil disaster of 2015. on new year's eve eight storage oil tanks caught fire. the tanks contained 1,000 barrels of oil and officials say they were being allowed to burn themselves out today. an oil tanker truck was unloading when the fire broke out. but the cause of the blaze isn't yet known. answer tonight's question. share your thoughts on twitter and facebook. we always want to know what you
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show." andrew cuomo spoke about his father thursday morning as he was sworn in for his second term as governor of the state of new york. it's the seat his father had held for 12 years. mario cuomo passed away last night at the age of 82 from heart failure. he was a fighter for social justice in the decade of civil justice. >> mario cuomo passed away on the day his son andrew was sworn in for his second term as governor of new york. earlier his son spoke about his dying father. >> his inspiration and legacy and his experience is what has brought this state to this point. >> mario cuomo was a son of the american dream. born in queens new york to italian immigrant parents who came through else list island with little more than the clothes on his backs.
cuomo became new york's secretary of state a in 1975. two years later he ran against ed koch and lost his bid for the democratic nomination for mayor of new york. cuomo was elected lujt governor in 1978 and became governor in 1928. -- 1982. >> we won because people and passion and belief are more important than money. >> he electrified the crowd when he delivered the keynote speech at the democratic national convention in 1984. his words aimed at president ronald reagan. >> there is despair, mr. president in the places you don't see. in the places you don't visit in your shining city. >> the speech won him an instant following. many yearned for a presidential
run. >> he the italian stallion of democratic party politics. >> he earned the moniker ham let on the hudson. two years later, cuomo lost to georgepy georgepy tack y. >> i made mistakes but am proud of what we accomplished together. >> governor cuomo joined a law firm and supported his son, andrew who followed in his father's footsteps. cuomo leaves behind his beloved wife of 50 years, matilda and four children. >> joining me now is howard dean former governor of vermont. great to have you with us tonight. it started and with character and integrity with this man. how will you remember and what is the legacy of mario cuomo and
what he leaves behind? >> his legacy is incredible. obviously the most famous part is the speech at the 1984 convention. but he was a very good governor. he balanced the budgets. and new york was in really bad financial shape at that time. and he increased the bond rating of the state of new york. little known facts about mario cuomo. the other thing is that he was an intellectual giant. he was a principled guy and he was educated in queens in a catholic high school which must have been run by the jesuits. he is well educated and a smart guy. we crossed paths for a short types as governors. he was helpful and kind and smart and gave me great advice.
>> howard is he a politician and servant of yesteryear that in the age of big money it's hard to find people like mario cuomo today? >> well we'll see. there are some terrific people in the democratic party still in various offices around the country. i don't think that mario cuomo's brand is dead at all. you know what -- the thing that is most important about mario cuomo was his principle. he was against the death penalty. that was a hard position to take. people forget in the '80s and '90s in new york city there was a lot of crime problems. it was unpopular to be against the death penalty but he did it because he thought it was right. there are principled people in politics.
>> he was the liberal lion. ted kennedy had that title as well. but mario cuomo was first of all a man of tremendous character and integrity. i interviewed him about a year ago. a very thoughtful man. he was not the 10 second sound bite. he wanted to get into the detail of issues. and i found him to be someone who was very gentle yet very stern in his believes. and it was a very interesting mix of the way this man presented himself to the american people. your thoughts? >> well he was very pragmatic. he was running one of the largest states in the country. so you have to be pragmatic. in order to balance the budget you have to make tough choices especially with what was going on back then when he took over. because his pragmatism was
tempered by his principle. that's the example he set. again, we all know him for that famous speech in 1984. but a lot of people can give good speeches. there are not a lot of people who can govern the way mario cuomo governed. he never lost his concern for ordinary working people. and he experienced tremendous discrimination in 1956 when he got out of his law school number one in his class and turned down by 50 law firms because he was italian american. he never forgot that. we need to remember those things. when we see the anti-imgrigs and the racism and so forth and so on this has been going on for a long time. just a different cast of people are the victims now. and mario cuomo experienced discrimination and racism when he was a lawyer right out of law school. >> governor dean great to have
you on "the ed show" today. hour howard dean with us on "the ed show." still to come the fast track to lost jobs. the rapid response panel weighs in on the tpp. the tide ebbs for alabama. how about them buckeyes? they prevail in college football playoffs. the two-minute drill coming up. your questions next on ask ed live. stay with us. we're right back.
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jobs and health care. okay? you got the power, show me some game. do something. our next question is from sheila. she wants to know who is going to win the ncaa national championships. >> based on what i saw yesterday i have to go with oregon. the ducks have got a heck of a supporting cast but it's the key here is going to be how well they handle the defensive line of ohio state but it's the early edge has to go to oregon. stick around. rapid response panel is next. stocks end little changed in the first trading session of the new year. the dow gained nine the s&p ends flat. last month's read on factory activity came in below estimates. and crude prices fell 1% today,
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welcome back to "the ed show." thanks for watching tonight. this is a story that could affect our economy for decades. 2015 is the year for debate over u.s. trade policy. where are we going. the transpacific partnership or tpp will take center stage very soon. a decision on the tpp is set to be made in the next 90 days. after years of delays we're in the final chapter of this fight and it is a fight for american workers. unfortunately for progressives president obama is on the wrong side of this issue. >> most of his party is
unenthusiastic about international trade. we think it's good for america and so i've got a lot of members who believe that international trade agreements are a winner for america and the president and i discussinged that right before i came over here. and i think he is interested in moving forward. i said send us trade agreements. >> the day after the election that's what they were talking about. mcconnell is right about one thing, the democrats know the tpp is a disastrous trade agreement designed to protect the interest of corporations at the expense of american workers. it involves 12 countries adding up to 40% of the global economy. look at the growing united states trade deficit. with tpp countries from 1997 to 2014. imagine what it's going to look like if we go ahead with this deal. just like past trade deals the tpp will make it profitable to
outsource production to countries using unfair trade practices. the tpp what does it do? it threats u.s. wages. the tpp would undermine environmental protections and the food safety standards and the buy american act could be gutted by the tpp. it would undermine wall street and reform by allowing corporations to skirt regulations put in place to avert another financial crisis. what don't we get about this? bottom line the tpp is a test. the elected officials have decided are going to have to decide which side they're going to be on and who they are looking out for. joining me tonight, congresswoman from illinois and president of the communication workers of america. both of you have done yeoman's works -- >> happy new year. >> thank you. >> both of you have done
yeoman's work trying to alert the american people on. this but president obama, i mean congresswoman, why doesn't -- what does the president see in this that is so good or does he just want to do a deal with republicans for some reason? how do you see this? >> i think in part the president sees that having u.s. influence in the asian rim is a really good idea. and i, for one, would not be against any old trade agreement. but this one doesn't do what we need to do. you mentioned wages as the first thing that are at risk. americans need a raise. american workers, ordinary people have not seen their income go up for three decades. and as the economy is beginning to take off, it would be an absolute tragedy to pass a trade agreement that actually erode wages. and all the other things that you mentioned too, but if this
is going to lower american wages, encourage jobs to go overseas and fail to bring the middle class any benefits, this deal is a bad deal. >> no trade agreements that we've been involved in over the last 30 years have done anything for american workers. it's outsourced jobs and put downward pressure on wages. i don't think the president explained to the american people what the upside is. he talks about exports a lot but if you are importing more the conservatives will say this is all about emerging markets. mr. cowen what is your response to that? >> any fifth grader can do subtraction as well as addition and it's easy to measure new jobs or new exports but it's just as easy to measure jobs shut down and lost and just as easy to measure the effect on wages as the congresswoman just said which has been devastating
and one of the two causes for wage inequality in the u.s. these rotten trade deals. there's nothing good in the tpp but the president will say to us directly it's better than nothing. it is not better than nothing. because the subtractions in it are more important to the american people regardless of where you are politically than the additions in it. we know how to do subtraction, mr. president, don't just tell us about the additions. >> mitch mcconnell made it clear this is his top priority in the new session. mr. cohen how do you stop in the next 90 days? >> we are building the broadest coalition for fair trade that this country has seen including in the nafta years. we are building a coalition in the key congressional districts, the swing districts that include conservatives, environmentalists, students human rights advocates as well
as labor. this will not be labor against trade. this will be the american people talking about fair trade, united with people around the world who are talking about fair trade, not corporate trade. >> he is right -- >> it seems the president has come around a little bit. go ahead -- >> larry is right. i think the american people have had experience with trade agreements and it has not been good. the more we can build a coalition. but the first step is fast track. that is to allow a clean up or down vote on a trade agreement without any real input without any amendments without a full debate of all those sectors that are really impacted and i think will there will be a lot of republicans and democrats that don't want to give this fast track authority for a bad trade deal for tpp. >> the president wants it.
the president wants fast track and he's talked about that quite a bit. >> i know. >> so if you are sitting down with him what do you say to him? how do progressives tell him why this is bad for america and get an answer of how it were so good. >> if i were meeting with the president i would say you have made enormous progress in setting the economy on the right track don't ruin it for middle class people now. don't ruin it for people working every day and are expecting that they're going to see some benefit from increased wages. let's instead invest in infrastructure. let's raise the minimum wage. let's make sure that there are good jobs in america and this deal is not going to contribute to that. let's go back to the drawing boards, mr. president. let people who have been cut out from the secret process at the table to make suggestions so
that labor not only in the united states but around the world, is going to benefit. that we don't hurt the environment and consumer standards are maintained and health standards are maintained. we can do better than this mr. president. >> i would say to him, don't pass boehner trade. that's what you're doing, mr. president. you are deserting your own party. >> saying you want to raise the minimum wage and signing off on tpp, isn't that a double destruction there? >> it's at least a double destruction. because you're killing jobs and you're depressing wages in the tradeable sector. the jobs that remain here those wages are depressed and as the congresswoman said that's one of the key factors in the last 30 years of wage stagnation. it's talking out of both sides of your mouth.
raise minimum wage and do a trade deal to depress wages around the country. >> congresswoman, larry cohen, great to have you with us tonight. 2015 has just begun but all eyes are on the 2016 presidential field. i will ask bernie sanders what it will take for him to throw his hat in the presidential race.
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look like a division ii team. ended their 29-game winning streak beating them 59-20. the seminoles in the second half looked like they quit. the buckeyes there's a feeling amongst people across this country, they're alabama, you can't mess with them. buckeyes advance by beating the tide 42-35. in the sugar bowl alabama, when was the last time this happened? they gave up 28 unanswered points. that's the first time since september 2007. you know the irony of all of this, here we have ohio state going to be in the first ever playoff championship game. looking back in the old days woody hayes, the icon football coach from ohio state never wanted a playoff system. he wanted a lot of winners and a lot of bowl games. ironically his team going to play for the national championship. wisconsin running back melvin gordon, if this guy isn't the first running back taken in the
jeb bush has resigned from all of his corporate and non-profit board memberships. bush will only remain on the board of companies he's a partner in. he's declined congressman steve king of iowa's invitation to speak at the iowa freedom sum identity january 24th. on the democratic side former secretary of state hillary clinton has not indicated she'll run, but polls are indicating she's a shoe-in. senator bernie sanders speaks out against the republican agenda. liberals are asking him, are you going to throw your hat in the ring? if there was ever a time where polls don't mean anything, it's probably right now. because when you get on stage and you start debating the issues everything changes. senator sanders joins us tonight here on "the ed show." good to have you with us. what is the thought process that you're going through right now when people ask you if you are going to run and seek the nomination? >> well the thought process is
ed when you run the kind of campaign that i would run, which is to take on the billionaire-class, to overturn citizens united the reject treaties like the disastrous tpp trade agreement, to call for a massive jobs program, that's not easy stuff. and what i have to ascertain is whether there is that ground grass-roots support for an anti-billionaire class campaign which transforms american politics, and it's very easy to give a good speech and it's easy to talk about these issues but it's really harder to understand whether or not you can run an effective campaign. and by the way if one runs an ineffective campaign one doesn't generate the support, it's probably better not to do that. so that's what i'm trying to figure out right now. >> senator, do you think there's
a chance that the issues that you just mentioned will not be debated and will not be clarified if you and maybe some others don't jump into this race. what about that? >> well that ed is exactly what troubles me. it would be a horrendous situation at a time when we came off an election this midterm election, 63% of the people didn't vote then you go into another election where income and wealth inequality where the rich are getting richer while almost everybody else is getting poorer the issue of the dramatic need to deal with climate change, to create the millions of jobs. we desperately need to make college education affordable. if those issues the power of wall street, the power of the oil companies, were not addressed, it would be an absolute shame and that is one of the motivating factors for me in thinking about running. >> senator, it sounds like you want to do it.
it sounds like your candidacy is needed by america. but there's a sense of realism about the way you're approaching this, or am i missing that? >> that's it exactly right. look i think there are millions of people who understand that there's something wrong in this country when the middle class is disappearing and 95% of all new income goes to the top 1%. people understand there's something crazy about the united states being the only major country on earth without a national health care program, guarantying health care to all people. people understand what a disaster citizens united is. it's one thing to say these things and to understand that in reality, millions of people across the political spectrum understand there's something profoundly wrong about the current economic and political system in america. on the other hand, if one goes forward and doesn't have the money, doesn't have the grassroots activism that you
need, gets beaten badly, then you know what it's probably not worth doing. so i got to put all that stuff together. but we certainly need voices out there representing a disappearing working class. we need voices out there to stand up to the koch brothers and the billionaires and say enough is enough you can't have the whole country. >> 2015 is going to be very interesting. appreciate your time. "politicsnation" with reverend al sharpton starts right now. good evening rev. >> good evening, ed and happy new year. >> happy new year to you too, buddy. >> and thanks to you for tuning in. tonight's lead a new year and a new fight with the gop. next week, congress returns to work and for the first time since president obama took office he'll face a republican-controlled senate.