tv The Last Word With Lawrence O Donnell MSNBC January 13, 2015 7:00pm-8:01pm PST
parenthetical. he's now apologized today writing, it was not my intention to compare the president to hitler. though it's hard to see what else he might have intended by comparing the president to hitler. he then continued on saying -- >> he now realizes that as in before today, tuesday, that had never occurred to him. also he never meant to compare the president and hitler in the tweet that consisted almost entirely of him comparing the president and hitler. he has since deleted the tweet. we reached out to his office for further clarification today and to test him on how to spell adolf. now time for "the last word with lawrence o'donnell." good evening, lawrence. >> good evening. john boehner is reconsidering this whole congressman use of twitter thing. >> executive order from the speaker coming up stat. well in just a few hours,
the new addition of "charlie hebdo" will hit news stands in paris. >> victims of last week's attacks are laid to rest. >> a day of mourning and defiance as the first victims are laid to rest in jerusalem and paris. >> the french national assembly met today for the first time since those attacks. ♪ >> they sang the french national anthem. >> there's obviously a lot of security here. >> 10,000 french troops fan out across the country to guard national monument jewish schools and other sensitive targets. paris trying to recover, yet the investigation heating up. french authorities are looking for possible accomplices in the wake of last week's terror attacks. >> accomplices still within paris. the day of grief was also one of
resolve. >> surviving staff of "charlie hebdo" is preparing to release a special issue tomorrow. >> with the cover depicting the prophet muhammad. >> more than anything we tried to put the drawings of those who are no longer here in the newspaper. everyone is in this thing. >> in just a couple of hours, the new edition of "charlie hebdo" will hit news stands in france one week after eight members were shot and killed in a terrorist attack. 3 million copies of "charlie hebdo" will be printed. new video shows cherif and said kouachi in a shootout with police shortly after their attack on "charlie hebdo." [ gunfire ] [ speaking french ]
[ gunfire continues ] >> just as the new magazine comes out, al qaeda in north africa vows more violence against france in a statement today. in israel funerals were held today for the four hostages killed at the kosher grocery store in paris last week. in france a funeral was held today for the muslim police officer who was executed by the kouachi brothers in the street in this video.
and in pakistan, 40 people attended a funeral celebration for the kouachi brothers. the cleric who led that funeral called the terrorists "heroes of islam." in the french parliament the names of each of the 17 victims were read and then the members of the government stood for a moment of silence. and then here is what happened after that. ♪ [ singing in french ] >> joining me now from london is the co-founder and chairman of a
counterterrorism think tank. a former member of an islamist revolutionary group. also the white house correspondent. laura, a lot of emotional imagery coming out of france today. the news conference with "charlie hebdo's" staff, there was crying there was very careful descriptions of how they put this copy together. then we saw the french parliament today in their emotional assembly. tell us what the reaction is going to be in france today, what is now today in france on wednesday, to this new edition of "charlie hebdo" coming up. >> it was a day of cheers and everybody wants now to have "charlie hebdo." already some people went to bookstores where "charlie hebdo" is usually not sold and they decided to buy it for the kids
for the families for their brothers, for their friends. it's something to have. it's not only a newspaper, it's something to keep it's something to remember. it's a piece of history. >> what do you think will be the reaction of not the extremists who are obviously opposed, but to this new cover of "charlie hebdo" where they show muhammad crying actually. is there something different in this one for muslims who don't take such strong offense to depictions of muhammad? >> thank you, lawrence. yet, let me start by saying anyone who says to you that muslims take offense at this or muslims take offense at that what they really mean is that they as individuals, take offense, because it's absurd for
anyone to claim on behalf of 1.6 billion people across the world. so that's the first part. we have to recognize people don't speak on behalf of muslims when they claim offense in this way. unfortunately, there will be some muslims, not just from extremist groups who take offense at this new image. they have to understand not just freedom of speech which is something i wish they would try to understand but also satire and irony. it seems to be lost on many people. "charlie hebdo" has been a magazine that has a long history of, in fact satirizing far right groups in france as well as every religion including islam. the reason that satire usually happens is in most cases to address a very real and dangerous political value that is popular among us. in the case of "charlie hebdo," they addressed racism using lampooning far right racist
imagery and satirizing far right groups to address racism. they did the same with catholicism. in fact, they did the same with israel and they did wit the prophet muhammad. so my plea to those muslims that do take offense is to consider this. that this was, in fact, an intelligent iattempt to address the very prejudices muslims often complain about and to understand here they have some allies who were trying to speak on their behalf. unfortunately for religious fundamentalists, satire and irony is lost on them. >> laura, in the french national assembly today, there was a vote to continue air strikes against isis in iraq. that vote was 488-1. what would that vote have been if it were taken two weeks ago? >> ha! it's a very good question. it would not have been there. you would have had a lot of
french deputies talking about what we should do in iraq against isis is it good to do bla, bla, bla. and it didn't happen. today, france is still united. and the challenge is going to watch if this country stays united on many issues because this story unfortunately is not over. there are a lot of threats. people are extremely worried. people don't know what's going to happen. it was very emotional today as you pointed out. and again, the story is far from over and now the country wants to be united hand by hand shoulder by shoulder to fight what might come next. >> i'm struck by two numbers in our news. one is approximately 3.7 million people marching over the weekend in paris, in solidarity against what happened at "charlie hebdo." and then in pakistan at this so-called funeral for the
killers, about 40 people. and what's so interesting about that number 40 is that they were working hard and actually delaying the event a little bit to try to get more people to show up to give praise to these killers. and this is in a real taliban strong stronghold where they were doing this, and that's all they got is. there some encouragement to be taken by that number 40? >> i'm of pakistani origin and i'm delighted the number was so small. it's very encouraging. let's not forget that while we've been concerned with this massacre in paris at the "charlie hebdo" offices and the kosher jewish shop there were 2,000, approximately 2,000 innocent civilians killed by boko haram. and before "charlie hebdo," there were the 140 children
slaughtered by taliban extremists in pakistan in that region this so-called funeral took place. so muslims are by and large facing the brunt of the rise of jihadist extremism along with the rest of the world. so what this indicates in pakistan in a country with over 240 million, the size of the population of pakistan only 40 people turned up. as you rightly said lawrence in an area known to be a stronghold for extremists an area where they don't fear slaughtering children and shooting at the army. it's indicating that more and more muslims are becoming totally fed up with those who claim to speak on their behalf and kill and maim murder others in the name of their religion. they see the first victims, in fact, of jihadist extremism.
>> laura, you've alerted us already on this program this week that one of the next steps that the french government will be taking, and the next votes we'll be seeing at some point is on something that they are calling their patriot act. what is the progress on that? >> they are still talking about it. is it going to be against freedom, which is such a strong idea in france. everybody in france wants to try to do something which is good. nobody knows how to fight extremism at this moment. it's a global fight. again, people as i pointed out, are extremely worried. what i would like to tell you, there was an amazing moment today in the french parliament. since 1918 nobody seemed united. that happened. you saw it. and there was also the prime minister who was talking about what he wants to do to fight not
only extremists but anti-semitism in france. it was an extraordinary new moment, because it was applauded by all factions. i think that's the story, which is going to be important in the days ahead. >> you have two very important personal stories to tell. it's each side of the coin. one is how you became radicalized. and then how you turned away from that and all people strategizing on how to go forward here are trying to figure out the second half of that. that is how do we get people to turn away from radicalization? because there's already -- and i'll live by your estimate of what this is there are already thousands and thousands of radicalized warriors out there in the islamic state and beyond who are prepared to kill. how many people do we have to turn around? >> yes. unfortunately, i won't go into
details on how i got out of the revolutionary group. the details oh of that are documented in my biography. what i would like to focus on is what's more efficient for all of us together muslim and nonmuslim, the international community to stand together to do is to work on the preventative side. we're dealing with the rise of an ideology that's reached insurgency levels. it's become a brand of resistance, and it's unfortunately a terrorist brand, but nevertheless it's become popular. so what we need to start looking at is how to debunk this brand, how to make it as unattractive as unappealing as soviet communism as a brand for young people has become today. that's going to require a lot of counter messages and counternarratives. it's going to require debunking the conspiracy theorys that they peddle. it's also going to require
really addressing some of the leaders of these organizations and undermining their authority that they have. it's a long-term strategy that's going to require civil society resistance. for that to happen we need to get together as civil society and governments and start working out, especially in the european union context, a joint strategy to start building these civil society resilience. and i have to say this as a muslim, the muslim voice in this is currently woefully inadequate. there are many reasons for that. muslims as minorities in the west feel somewhat under the spotlight. but just as we appreciate solidarity that was shown by main stream society, likewise in such cases as this we have to show, we must show solidarity to main stream society. we must reciprocate and stand shoulder to shoulder. not just in condemnation, because it's very easy to condemn, but to challenge the ideas that lie in the base of
this ideology. >> thank you both very much for joining us tonight. coming up mitt romney doesn't believe in two strikes you're out. it's going to take three strikes to get mitt romney out of the presidential race. and how many people do police kill in a year? we have no idea. this country that has statistics on every single thing that we do does not count the bodies. there is one congressman who is finally trying to do something about that. he will join me later. and religious extremism. ultraorthodox puritanism is not just a problem in islam. that's coming up. these ally bank ira cds really do sound like a sure thing but i'm a bit skeptical of sure things.
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i'm in this race because i care about americans. i'm not concerned about the very poor. we have a safety net there. if it needs repair i'll fix it. >> when mitt romney told campaign donors last week that he's thinking of running for president and that he indeed still wants to be president, he told them that his third campaign for president would focus on helping poor people. proving that he corrupt hi thinks he's going to have to do something different if he wants to get a different result this time. mitt romney will attend the republican national committee's meeting in san diego friday and will create more sound bites about running for president. the only person to show more commitment to a romney presidency than mitt romney is eric hartsburg, who tattooed the romney 2012 campaign symbol on
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campaign. casey, what does mitt romney have to say this weekend when he goes out there to add more fuel to this thing? he can't just say that i'm thinking about it or yes, i want to be. is it time for him to announce a pack or something like jeb bush has already done? >> i don't know that they're that far away but he's going to have to explain why it is that this time would be different. i think that's already the question that's bubbling up as we started to talk about this. and you haven't exactly seen a landslide of support for mitt romney. it's not as though people are saying if mitt romney does this i'm 100% going to be on board. if anything it's the opposite. i was on capitol hill today talking to some of his longest time supporters not really to jump on there yet. even paul ryan in an interview with msnbc news wouldn't commit. his staff say it's because he's in charge of a fund at the rnc that prohibits him from jumping
in. but the questions are going to be there at this meeting, and i think there is going to be a lot of skepticism and i would be on the lookout for some pretty tough blind quotes. >> david corn this is shaping up to be a lot of fun. is there anything that we can do to encourage them all to get in there? mitt romney we do need chris christie in there. because there's just a series of spectacular campaign collapses ahead. >> well it seems like there's still a lot of room left on the romney bandwagon. those spaces are not filling up so there's a lot of room to jump on. perhaps we can page a promise not to release any derogatory information or tapes until later in the year so everyone gets their shot at jumping in themselves. what you have particularly people are relishing, those of us in the political media world,
not voters i don't think they care yet. is this showdown between jeb bush and mitt romney. it's like dynasty versus dynasty. you can imagine all the awkward confidences in country clubs across this great land of ours how to decide which candidate, who is willing to flip-flop on principles to get elected. it's a very difficult choice. my heart goes out to republican establishment figures and donors who have to make this very, very hard decision. >> casey hunt, on the dornors, with jeb bush and mitt romney in there, is there any room for chris christie? is he going to the same donors who will be pledged to one or two of those candidates? >> christie's camp are convinced they are, but they're pooling from the same pool of people. that's why chris christie is starting to look like he's a little behind the ball from mitt
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jersey. but you see the statements causing edgeiness among candidates. tonight, rand paul is out with an interview saying look at me look at me remember me? i'm still here. so i think everyone is kind of speeding up. but the absurd thing here and we're all participating in this it's all about the donors. you know the donors the preprimary primary for rich people, who is lining up with them. we've seen lots of instances in the past where candidates who are preferable to donors flame out early on. and there's no reason to believe that mitt romney you know third time around or jeb bush first time around will appeal to the real energy in the republican party, which are those tea party voters who are still out there looking for someone to bash whoever the next democratic nominee is going to be. >> but mitt romney's strongest
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in the spotlight tonight, counting the bodies. last week a coroner's jury ruled that police officer grant morrison was justified when he shot and killed an unarmed man during a traffic stop in april. it serves as a recommendation to the district attorney's office which has final say. officer morrison said he thought the man was armed. the shooting was called on the officer's dash cam and was shown to the jury. >> hands up! all four of you, hands up. what were you doing? why are you moving your hands around so much? you're making me nervous, man. who are you? >> richard. >> richard. all of you put your [ bleep ]
hands up on top of the seats. hands up! hands on the [ bleep ] -- get your hands up or i are shoot you. hands up! [ gunfire ] hands up! i will shoot you again! >> he did not shoot him again, but he has already killed him. the jury was also shown a dash cam video of officer morrison breaking down in tears after that shooting. >> i thought he was going to pull a gun on me. >> maybe he was. maybe he was. >> you survived. >> that was the second time that
officer morrison killed someone. in 2013 he shot and killed a man who had a bb gun. from stories like this you might not realize that most police officers in america serve their entire careers without ever using their firearms in any way. most police officers never kill anyone. most police officers never shoot at anyone. and most police officers are never shot at. they never see or hear gunfire in the line of duty in their entire careers. that is the norm. i would like to tell you exactly how many police officers do fire their guns in a typical year. i would like to tell you exactly how many people they kill. but i can't, because we don't count the bodies. in 21st century america, which keeps precise statistics on virtually everything we do as a society and individuals, we have no idea how many people are killed by police and we have
never known. it is one of the basic law enforcement facts we need in order to evaluate how police use and abuse their power of deadly force. with the limited statistical picture we have, all indications are and have always been that most killings by police are justified. but it is very clear that not all of them are. the power to kill is the most awesome power that any government worker could possibly have. we have given that power to police and then we have refused to monitor it. joining me now, the congressman who wants to know how police are using their awesome power to use deadly force, congressman steve cohen from tennessee. thank you very much for joining us tonight, congressman cohen. and thank you very much for this bill you're introducing to try to get this data. this is data i personally have been trying to get for 30 years since i first started writing
about this subject. tell us what your bill would obtain. >> it would require all police departments, law enforcement agencies to give to the justice department for collection the demographics of both the victim of lethal force used by law enforcement officers and the demographics of the officer and the deadly force policies of the departments, any force less than lethal that was used by the officer and the justification that the officer and the department had for the use of that deadly force. so we can have a clear picture on what's happened and if there are skewed racial or other demographic aspects of the victims and the perpetrators. >> you know, i've been trying to get at this number for over 30 years. i wrote a book called "deadly force" and i had to do my own kind of social studies to find out what this number is. and the way we were doing it then, the few of us trying to
get it is literally just press clips and stories in newspapers. and this is preinternet. we were zeroing in about 600 a year. in the methods they're using now, it's starting to sound like the number of these killings may be up around 1,000 and might be more than that. the number of police killed has always been much, much less than that. it's less than 100 now. it's gone down a lot over the years. but it seems to me this is just a very basic tool to get just a rough idea of how this awesome power is being used. >> there was law in 1992 that said the justice department needed to collect evidence on excessive force and there was never a good definition of excessive force. they made the determination that it was self-defense or it was in
the pursuit of defending somebody es and maybe in the limited circumstances that you can use deadly force to apprehend a fleeing felon, that that was justified. my bill says lethal force used and the determination of excessive is not one that would make it subjective on the part of the department. i just saw the film "selma" tonight. very emotional film and a film that puts america in a setting that was not so good and it was not good. jimmy lee jackson's shooting. there have been murders over the years and those murders are still part of the psyche of america and psyche of people particular african-americans and liberal folks that were victims of those shootings. and not just in the south. it's not just a southern problem. as lyndon johnson said in a speech about that it's not just a southern problem, it's an american problem. and the excessive use of force
is an american problem. >> congressman, we have the image of that building behind you, the capital tonight, where many congressman over the years have been outraged for many different reasons about things that irs agents do. none of them involving killings by irs agents. here this most awesome power that any government worker can have, the use of deadly force and it's very hard to find members of congress who actually care about the use of that power. >> particularly on the other side of the aisle. i know we want to come together in some kumbaya moment but there are big differences in the democrats and republicans and what their priorities are. the other side of the aisle's priorities are money and irs and it's not about human life. and human life whether it's
funding nih to find treatment and cures for disease or putting limitations on the use of deadly force by individuals who use it excessively are the most important thing government can do because the difference between life and death is the most important thing in our existence and life and as government officials. not how much money we have. and if we can keep that for ourselves. >> congressman, the reason no one has introduced a bill like this is they fear the politics of it including the democrats. they fear anything that might antagonize police as we've seen in new york city mayor de blasio having problems. they fear those politics. >> there are strong members, generally in the congressional black caucus and the progressive caucus who do have concern. john conyers and bobby scott have a bill. they passed a bill. not the same level and depth as mine, but they have concerns too. then there's john lewis.
as i watched "selma" i thought what a blessing to get to know him, a true saint that's served in congress 28 years. and julian von is going to celebrate his 75th birthday tomorrow. i think everybody needs to wish him a happy birthday. >> you're right about john conyers. he's been on this for decades. steve cohen, thank you very much for joining us tonight. in the rewrite tonight, guess which religious newspaper refused to include a picture of angela merkel in the solidarity march in paris? ultraorthodox puritanism is in tonight's rewrite. ♪ health can change in a minute. so cvs health is changing healthcare. making it more accessible and affordable with over 900 locations for walk-in medical care.
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a one ultraorthodox jewish newspaper faced a difficult challenge in covering sunday's march of world leaders in paris with israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu in the front row. the problem for the newspaper, which has never published a photo of any woman doing anything is that german chancellor angela merkel was right there in the front row between the president of france and mahmoud abbas, the president of the palestinian authority. and so the newspaper photo shopped angela merkel right out of the picture, as well as the female mayor of paris. here is the accurate photograph prime minister netanyahu is in the center. angela merkel is third on his left. the mayor of thirst is third on his right with the blue scarf.
and here is the photograph with the women chopped out completely. there is a screen shot from the newspaper, first reported by a hebrew language website. the more enlightened israeli media was horrified. the website wrote, the paper didn't blur out merkel's image or write it out, but completely reedited the photograph and moved the images of the participants around so that you could never tell that merkel was ever there. alison summer said it is rather embarrassing when, at a time that the western world is rallying against manifestations of religious extremism, our extremists managed to take the stage. she said the cropped photograph is "infuriating and shocking." and that it is an attempt to deny the fact that in the wider world beyond the ultraorthodox
jewish community, women do stand on the world stage and shape events. rabbi fink wrote, if they don't want to see women, just blur or cover her face. why make it seem like woman was not even there? it's not about gawking at women or sexual arousal. rather it is an attempt to excise women from the public sphere completely. they are not protecting women from rearing men or men from elicit thought. they are telling their community that women have no place in society outside the home. many israeli commentators noted that the palestinian president mahmoud abbas was shown in the photograph but removed all women. the newspaper that made the women disappear from that photograph was founded in 2009. so it never had to face the decision of how to cover israeli
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no hidden fees from the bank where no branches equals great rates. a former ohio country club bar tender with a history of mental illness has been indicted on a charge of threatening to murder the speaker of the house, john boehner. according to the criminal complaint, 44-year-old michael hoyt called 911 on october 29th last year when an officer arrived at michael hoyt's residence, he told the officer that he had been fired from his job as a bar tender at the weatherington country club, which speaker boehner is a member and "did not have time to put something in john boehner's drink." joining me now is christine, editor in chief of "roll call."
sounds like a bad episode of a bad tv show but this is a federal criminal indictment from a grand jury, fbi has been involved in this investigation. and i'm sure if they found out information about john hinckley before he took a shot at reagan he would have sounded crazy like this too. >> sure. and the authorities are saying this man could be released and has had access to a lot of information about the speaker's whereabouts, about people he knows, that he was able to contact john boehner's wife and e-mail her. he has a motivation that he believes speaker boehner had him fired from his job and that speaker boehner is responsible for the ebola virus. so they considered it a serious threat. this is a very nutty, wild complaint. there's all kinds of bizarre details in it and things they found at his home. but this something people should take seriously. there are a lot of threats
against members of congress. we've seen some of those play out in tragic scenarios, probably most recently with congresswoman gabrielle giffords in 2011. >> they found at his home some ammunition apparently not a lot. he told the officer who arrived that night that he is jesus christ. so clearly all the evidence indicates seriously mentally disturbed and you never know whether someone like this is just talking and talking crazy talk. or is capable of taking action. >> that's why they treat everything seriously until they think it's not. you'll even remember during the health care debate that they had so many different instances -- >> they have to look into this.
this person made very clear he has an ax to grind against the speaker and the speaker, for his part, thanked the authorities. >> and she says she removed an assault rifle from his home. christina, thank you very much for joining us. chris hays is up next. tonight on "all in," new video of the attack on "charlie hebdo." new response from the surviving journalist. and a new machine. >> tonight, what follows in the wake of terror. >> we need to kill them. >> then romney 3.0 continues to cause shock waves. is it real or just a dream? the new jersey congressman calling for another investigation of chris christie