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like the navy is investigate thing commander for involvement in an alleged murder at guantanamo. even without alleged murder implications, this story is shocking and sad and puzzling enough. a man is dead. the commander at guantanamo naval base is out. none of it has been explained thus far on the record. but we'll keep you posted as we learn more. now time for "the last word with lawrence o'donnell." thanks for being with us tonight. yes, it's football night in america, even here on "the last word." of course we're going to talk about men who make their living playing with balls. and men who want to be president. >> jeb bush, mitt romney are meeting face to face. >> two when who have their eyes on the presidency. >> they are going to be competing for the same donors.
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>> each team has the same opportunity to prepare the balls. >> there's a lot of people who deserve the chance to lose a presidential election. >> sit down and shut up. >> new jersey governor chris christie. >> this is going to be a nightmare. >> benjamin netanyahu has accepted house speaker john boehner's invitation. >> i don't believe i'm poking anyone in the eye. >> that's part of our goal. >> the white house reportedly is furious about this. >> at odds over iran's nuclear program. >> president obama specifically warned lawmakers to stay out of it. >> it is unusual. >> officials approve or disapprove of the balls. >> i like a softer ball, that's all i can tell you. >> it's football stop saying balls, balls balls. >> when the nfl investigates, they always get it right. [ laughter ]
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>> jeb bush and mitt romney who have both announced that they are considering a run for the republican presidential nomination, met today for a private little chat that has aparentally been scheduled for weeks. the original idea is for mr., who announced his ambitions in december, to show his respect for mr. romney. the meeting stayed on both men's calendars, even as mr. romney took steps to test the presidential waters. here's what jeb bush had to say before today's meeting. >> is there any contention now that he's -- >> not at all. i respect him a lot. i admire him a lot. he's a great american. i look forward to seeing him. >> is there any reticence after he started talking? >> at least not on my part and i don't think on his either. >> both almost candidates are
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competing for the same donors and in some cases, mr. bush and mr. romney are calling the same people just hours apart. earlier today, rand paul tweeted, governor bush apparently gave mitt romney a third time's a charm bracelet. a new poll finds mitt romney has more support among republicans, 52% of republicans had a positive view of mitt romney. 37% for jeb bush. and among republicans who identify as tea partiers, 61% had a positive view of mitt romney. only 37% say the same thing for jeb bush. a new washington post/abc news poll finds both candidates fall short when paired against the likely democratic presidential nominee, hillary clinton. she has a 13-point lead over jeb bush and a 15-point lead over mitt romney. joining me now, msnbc political analyst, eugene robinson, and
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msnbc's steve karnacky. gene did you believe a word tom brady had to say today? >> not a whole lot. he's a michigan guy, i'm a michigan guy. so i have a certain sympathy for tom brady. you know belichick threw him under the bus. he apparently threw the equipment manager under the bus. we'll see what the equipment manager has to say. >> steve, when i was in high school, every time i had to throw or catch a football, the inflation mattered. you could tell how hard that thing was. it really matters. there's brady today trying to say, i couldn't tell the difference. >> the referee couldn't tell the difference, either. he touched the ball between each play and he didn't notice. >> on to the next matter, the next president of the united states. eugene, as the chuckling continues about mitt romney possibly running for a third
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time, he continues to poll better than any other republican candidate. so i understand exactly why he's looking at this. >> yeah sure. i mean he's got to hook at the field and nobody is setting this thing on fire. if he's doing better than anybody else you could see why he would be tempted. it is of course fool's gold. it's not like he hasn't tried this before. it's not like he doesn't know what's out there waiting for him, and indeed, our washington post poll shows that there's a buzz saw waiting for him, assuming it's hillary clinton that is the nominee. he's probably not going to win. it would have been an interesting conversation between two men today. got any travel plans for the coming year? i am thinking about dropping by iowa, what about you, that sort of thing. >> steve, was this maybe the first meeting between the republican ticket the
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bush-romney ticket? >> something tells me that's not going to be the one-two combination for the republicans in 2016. the interesting thing is you put those poll numbers up on the screen, all we could talk about in 2012 was the conservative base's resistance to mitt romney the tea party's resistance to mitt romney. he had to go through one indignity after another, and yet now, the key to getting into this race if he does get in is the idea he could be the juan that rallies the tea party and the right against jeb bush. mitt romney much more popular with that faction of the party than jeb bush is. and i think what that gets to is remember the origin story of the tea party movement. the tea party movement was definitely in part a backlash against barack obama. but it was also a reaction to what conservatives decided were all the excesses of the george w. bush years. the idea that because he
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betrayed conservative values he gave it a bad name which paved the road for barack obama to become president. so that name bush to that side of the party is electoral poison. >> so gene romney as liberal as we know he has been in the past in massachusetts as a politician, kept getting -- becoming harder and harder right and more and more right wing as he was a presidential candidate. and so now he is to the right of jeb bush and those republicans are always looking for who is the most conservative person who we can nominate. who can also win. there's always a more conservative person in the field who they don't think can win. but is that the spot romney thinks he can find? >> well, he seems to think he can get there. there's always a question though, with romney you know, changeable though his positions might be. how far to the right can he get? he did invent what became obamacare.
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he does believe, and he said it again recently i think today. he believes in climate change. he believes that humankind is contributing to climate change. there are certain things that he believes that the far right just doesn't. and so if he can get to the right of george bush can he get far right enough for say iowa republicans? i think that's still a big question. in the last two elections he hasn't been able to. >> let's listen to what mike huckabee had to say on "the view" today, because he did get far right enough for iowa republicans when he ran for president and he will be out there most likely in this presidential field. so far he's been running against president obama and beyonce. let's listen to what he said today. >> beyonce. >> she is amazing. and interestingly, i've had so much uproar over half a page in
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my book. >> i know. >> i say she's the most amazing singer, great set of pipes, unbelievable dancer and she doesn't need to do songs like "drunken love" in order to be an effective and amazing talent. >> steve, there's mike huckabee reminding the conservative base of his preacher credentials, of his moralistic credentials on the right side of that party. >> that's the other complicating factor for mitt romney. if he sees the opening to the right of jeb bush, he has to compete with mike huckabee and mike huckabee is with evangelical conservatives. it was always striking in the polling with him. it's evangelical conservatives. he is a rock star with them. for the rest of the right, he's never done that well. rand paul ted cruz ben barson they can all take a chunk of the right. so it's tough to see mitt romney
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getting all those people colesce. i think there may be so much resistance to the bush name in the republican party, some of it is idealogical, some is pragmatic. and i think that might keep him from establishing that early dominant position he's banking on getting that will scare everybody else off. >> steve, does the bush-romney problem at the top of these polls scare off chris christie? >> no. i think it probably encourages him to get in because they both look beatable at this point. the other one to try to make it in is scott walker of wisconsin.
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he's using the word fresh, he's new, he's different. he wants you to look at bush and romney and say we've had enough of that try this guy. >> gene there's always that phenomena of what happens to those polls when potential candidacies, theoretical candidacies become real candidacies. the voters' attitude towards those candidates always changes after they actually declare they're candidates. >> it will change when we get actual candidacies. it will change again when voters get a chance to see the candidates in action. so, you know to say the cliche for the first time we've got a long way to go in this. i tend to agree with steve that jeb bush has a special problem here. two problems actually. number one is just the name and its associations. number two, he's got to be rusty, really rusty. he hasn't done this in a long
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time. mitt romney at least has run for president more often and more recently than jeb bush and he knows how to do it in the modern era. >> steve, the polling we have indicates that the name bush is a net negative meaning some people are more in favor of him because he's a bush but more people are opposed to his candidacy because he's a bush. on the clinton side, more people are in favor of her name the clinton name as a net positive. so that kind of information coming into the bush campaign, how do you strategize what to do with the guy's last name? >> i don't know what they can do. i think it's one of these ironies in history. the story is always that it was jeb bush that george bush senior saw as the natural successor in politics, not george w. it may end up being the case
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when jeb got around to having his chance to run for president, george w. had done so much damage to the family name jeb couldn't play that role his father always wanted him to play. >> steve are you going to be discussing the whole brady line about -- are you just going to suppress the news? >> come on you're from boston. >> i can't buy that story today. thank you both very much for joining me tonight. coming up president obama will not be meeting with benjamin netanyahu when he comes to washington to lobby against the president at the invitation of john boehner. and house republicans should have known that their first big vote was going to be a failure. the women in their own party warned them. later, quarterbacks and their balls.
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the speaker of the new york state assembly surrendered to the fbi today on federal corruption charges. prosecutors allege 70-year-old sheldon silver used his position to take more than $4 million in bribes and kickbacks, which he masked as legitimate income earned as a lawyer. he was first elected to the new york state assembly in 1976. he's served as speaker since 1994. up next, benjamin netanyahu apparently has decided to run for re-election from a podium in the house of representatives.
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>> for the system reason secretary of state john kerry will refrain from meeting with netanyahu. march 3rd is just two weeks before the re-election in israel on march 17th. speaker boehner invited netanyahu without first consulting president obama or any of the democratic congressional leadership. white house press secretary josh earnest said again today the manner in which netanyahu was invited was a departure from protocol. today, chris jansing spoke to the national security adviser about the netanyahu invitation. >> we were surprised to learn about it from speaker boehner. it's not unusual for a foreign leader to speak to the congress
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particularly a close ally like israel and usually we don't find out when it's announced by the speaker. >> so just a political spoke from john boehner? >> well you'll have to ask john boehner. it's certainly the first time that's happened in the six years that i've been working here where you had, again, a high profile foreign visit like that announced not out of the white house here but by the speaker. >> joining me now is mike tomasky and phyllis bennis the director of the new internationalism project. mike, i have never seen an invitation issued like this to a head of state to address a joint session of congress. and it turns out the original invitation from boehner was for february and netanyahu pushed it up to march, even closer much closer to the election night in israel. >> two weeks from the election he pushed it to.
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coinciding with the big apec conference here in washington that will happen in march. lawrence, i think you're quite right. i don't think i've never seen anything quite like this. it's hard to read this as anything other than an attempt to subvert or at least thwart obama's foreign policy goal and obama being the president, this is to say the united states' foreign policy goal of striking some kind of a nuclear deal with iran, because this is the os os stepsible subject of netanyahu's talk. mostly republicans are going to give him rapturous applause, and it's an in your face gesture at the president of the united states siding with the head of another state against the president, basically. >> yeah i said last night this looks like the republicans are
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simply having this be their response to the state of the union address. literally delivering a foreign head of state to the same spot where the president stood during his state of the union address. mike, you said some democrat also be applausing a netanyahu position on iran. one is senator bob menendez from new jersey. let's listen to what he said about the president's comments about iran in the state of the union. >> i have to be honest with you, the more i hear from the administration and its quotes the more it sounds like talking points that come straight out of tehran. and it feeds to the iranian narrative of victimization. when they are the ones with original sin. an elicit nuclear weapons program going back over the course of 20 years, that they
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are unwilling to come clean on. >> phyllis, there's senator menendez accusing the white house, his phrase using talking points coming out of tehran. that sounds like something beneath the dignity of ted cruz. >> there's no dignity here. you know lawrence, there's nothing dignified about these kinds of attacks. what they're trying to do is make a partisan gesture out of an incredibly dangerous foreign policy move. what we're talking about here we're going to be seeing netanyahu in the congress two days after the next deadline in these talks with iran. the next deadline is march 1st. there's supposed to be a frame work agreement by that time which would then go on until july 1st to have all the implementation arranged. that's a very tight deadline. and the notion that netanyahu is going to come deliberately to undermine the possibility that
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an agreement could go through before the u.s. and its allies the five permanent members of the united nations, the u.s. britain, france china, russia, plus germany, are the negotiating sides. on the other side is iran. israel is not part of those negotiations. the idea that netanyahu believes he has the right to interfere not just with the united states congress but the notion that he has the right globalry to cut this will global negotiation is an outrage. what we're looking at is the possibility that there could be a real undermining of the chance for an agreement. and we should be clear here, lawrence if there is no agreement with iran and new sanctions by the congress will scuttle any new agreement. that will definitely be true. if that happens, the alternative is war as a very likely
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possibility. so what we're seeing is that members of congress who want netanyahu to come knowing that he represents not only his own political position, whatever that might be but a country whose official position despite what secretary kerry claimed that we and israel see things the same way, we just disagree on how to get there. israel has a completely different strategic goal vis-a-vie iran. israel's goal officially is to prevent iran from ever having the capacity to build a nuclear weapon any time in the future, whether it's ten years, one year or 100 years from now. that's not the u.s. position. the u.s. position is to make sure iran does not get a nuclear weapon. there's a vast cavern between these two positions. and this will be bipartisan i'm afraid, the notion that the congress may see it in its interest and right to undermine
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u.s. foreign policy when there is the chance of a real negotiated solution to this long standing crisis is of thoroughly unbelievable thing to be seeing. >> mike the president said he would veto any additional sanctions congress might pass. >> he has, and presumably he will. you know, lawrence this is a really interesting throwdown, interesting is one word for it, by netanyahu at obama. i talked to a journalist friend of mine in israel today who thinks it's not so much directed at obama on netanyahu's behalf. he thinks it's all about getting ree leked and he just wants to get ree-electre-elected. i'll take his word for it but here in washington it's pretty hard for me not to read this to some degree as netanyahu just
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almost taunting obama and daring him. you know there is talk in some liberal circles, the u.s. some day, getting to the point where maybe it has to reconsider some of the aspects of its relationship with israel, the $3 billion a year the automatic support at the united nations. right now, that's just talk around the edges. but if netanyahu tests this relationship, it will be interesting to see where this might go. >> phyllis, king abdullah of saudi arabia died today at age 90. apparently he will be replaced by his brother, aged 79. it seems as though this will make no difference in the affairs of saudi arabia. >> i don't know if we can assume that, lawrence. i think that what we've seen in the recent months has been that the heir apparent who will take over for abdullah has been
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running the show for a while. and as we just heard, he's almost 80. the king was 90. the young people are so far down in the hierarchy that they're not likely to take the throne for many years. so this is a very problematic monarchy in a host of ways. this is a monarchy responsible for beheading people. they are whipping people as part of their punishments. so this is a backward reactionary administration. that's not going to change. what could change is a shift in the relationship with iran. we might see a pullback into an internal mode at least temporarily, which could mean that the tension between saudi arabia and iran that shapes a great deal of what's happening in syria right now what's happening in iraq right now,
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certainly what's happening in this issue around the iran nuclear negotiation. all of that, we could see some shift as saudi arabia comes to terms with a new stage in its absolute monarchy. >> mike and phyllis, thank you both very much for joining me tonight. coming up house republicans tried their first big vote about women's reproductive rights. they were warned that it was not going to go well. and in the rewrite tonight, republicans who support abortion only in cases of rape incest and when a woman's life is at risk, they don't realize it but they're in support of the fundamental principles of roe versus wade. edicine for 9 straight years. one pill each morning. 24 hours. zero heartburn. i've been called a control freak... i like to think of myself as more of a control... enthusiast. mmm, a perfect 177-degrees. and that's why this road warrior rents from national.
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today, house republicans voted on an anti-abortion bill. that was not the bill they planned to vote on when the republicans lost support of some of the women in the house of representatives, republican leadership surrendered to those republican women and had to come up with some other symbolic vote on abortion today, which is the 42nd anniversary of the roe versus wade decision. abortion opponent rick santorum was disappointed. >> i'm sure the leadership is looking at the situation. you want to have a bill that can pass. we're disappointed that it
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sounds like several members were concerned about this bill. >> republicans did manage to pass a bill today that they say would prevent federal dollars from funding abortions, but of course federal funding of abortion has been illegal since the hyde amendment passed in 1976. there is virtually no possibility of this new bill passing the senate but if by some legislative miracle it does make it to the president's desk, president obama has said he would veto it. joining me now is dana millbank of "the washington post." elise, were you surprised at this revolt of basically women republicans in the house of representatives? were you aware that they were not going to be willing to go along with supporting this 20-week restriction on abortion?
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>> well we see it as an indication of a changed political reality. it's important to remember that renee elmers who sort of led the defections of the gop women, voted for this same bill in the last session. i think what this -- what some in the party are coming to recognize is their obsessions with outlying abortion at the expense of real american's priorities. it's not good policy and not good politics and it hurts women and families and hurts their chances of moving forward into a brave new world. >> dana they couldn't get the vote they wanted so they went for another vote and somehow pretending in that vote that there is federal funding for abortion. >> well, they did that and it seems they didn't quite get the overall point here and that is they just won an election by talking about the economy, health care immigration.
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anything but abortion which was not on voter's minds at all as registering as an important issue with less than half of 1%. so they had to make this one of their top priorities in their first two weeks here. so the fact that they basically switched to another bill sort of lay bare the whole notion that they were doing this to the people who come for this annual trade show known as the march for life. so it was a case of sort of bait and switch saying elect us and we're going to do things for jobs. instead, these new majorities got elected and they're going back to the same old culture wars. >> and elise, there is a very clear and strong majority support in this country for basically the structure of roe versus wade. a woman's right to choose. republicans know that they are -- in political terms that they're playing against that majority. so they kind of like to get --
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i've always believed they like to get these votes done in as quiet a way as possible so it pleases the people who are there lobbying them in the building that day, but doesn't get quite this much notice out there in the general population where this position was opposed. >> absolutely. we've seen support for the values in roe versus wade. we had a poll yesterday that show in four republican house districts the majority were opposed to this bill and their officials voting on this bill. dana's point is really important. we've watched republican candidate after republican candidate run away from their extreme antichoice values to get elected in 2014. but it didn't last long. it took two weeks for them to come back and focus on this obsession of restricting personal freedoms for women, rather than expanding economic
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opportunity. one of the things that was lost in the confidence about the bill they voted for today, it raises taxes on small business on those who provide comprehensive health insurance, because 85% have plans that cover abortion and this would raise taxes on small businesses, not in line with voter's priorities. >> dana the official position of the republican party in their presidential platform is opposition to abortion with absolutely no exceptions, not for rape not for incest not for life of the mother and that's a position supported, at most, by 12% of americans. and so these are the days where they like to be able to please that very tiny constituency but move away from it as quickly as possible. >> that's really what tripped them up here. it wasn't the 20-week thing per
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se. it's technically had a rape exception in there, but it was only if the woman reported it to the police which generally doesn't occur. that's the thing that led to the rebellion there. i mean the type of procedure involved here is something like 1% of all abortions. they're sort of going against the general -- forget about public opinion here dramatic reductions in the number of abortions. so yes, maybe they wanted to throw this bone to the marchers here in town and they wanted it to not be noticed, but it completely blew up in their faces last night. >> thank you both very much for joining us. coming up you will hear patriots' quarterback tom brady talking about his balls in his own words. and in the rewrite tonight, how many republicans and many democrats are actually closer
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lindsey graham spoke to an audience of abortion opponents much more steadfast than he is and told them something they did not want to hear. >> i've always had exceptions for the life of the mother rape and incest. some disagree. including the pope. >> and including most republican presidential and vice presidential candidates, who say they are opposed to all abortions with no exceptions. that no exceptions position is supported by only 12% of americans. once lindsay graham says he supports a woman's right to choose abortion in cases of rape, life incest of the mother, the difference between him and barack obama or hillary clinton is not as great as the difference between him and the people who believe all abortion is murder with no exceptions. hillary clinton, like most democrats, supports a woman's
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right to choose abortion under the roe versus wade frame work which means she opposes many abortions. it means she opposes a woman's right to choose an abortion in say the eighth month of a pregnancy, unless there is a threat to the mother's life. very few democrats if any support abortion on demand at any moment for any reason including in the last month of a pregnancy. so the difference among most people on the issue of abortion is simply how many women they think should have the right to choose. republicans got tangled up on that issue, that issue of the rape exception this week. with the real problem being, how would one qualify for the rape exception? should a woman have to report the rape to the police to obtain an abortion? ignored by all republicans is the exception for incest which no republican has ever defined. there is no federal definition
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of incest. incest is defined by state law, which means it's defined 50 different ways in the united states. so when senator graham says he's in favor of an exception to his steadfast opposition to abortion in cases of incest he hit rally does not know what he means. does he mean his state's definition of incest? south carolina defines incest as a man having carnal intercourse with his mother grandmother, daughter, grand daughter stepmother sister grandfather, wife, son's wife, grandson's wife, et cetera. so if south carolina it is not incest if a man has sex with his adopted daughter or his adopted son's wife. but if you do that in arkansas
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that is incest. arkansas defines incest as sex with an adopted child and defines incest as sex with a half brother or half sister. something the south carolina incest statute doesn't mention. in alaska if persons have "sexual penetration with their adopted children," that is not incest. does senator graham mean a 20-year-old alaskan woman who is impregnated by his adoptive father should have no right to abortion and if it happened in alabama, she should have a right to abortion because alabama defines incest as sexual intercourse between people who are related by adoption? i can assure that senator graham has given this absolutely no thought, because he's never been asked this question. what he recognizes is that stop abortion is acceptable and even
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necessary. he thinks he has found the abortions that are acceptable when he simply rattles off those words, rape incest, life of the mother. he thinks he's found a better definition of acceptable abortion than the supreme court has. to give him credit on this subject, the reason he is in favor of the exceptions that he doesn't actually understand is that he clearly believes there is a humane case to be made for abortion this those situations. and he's right to point out that the pope does not believe that. the pope is an absolutist on abortion. it is all murder according to the pope. and the republican party platform which lindsey graham actually disagrees with. senator graham believes it is not humane it is not practical to force certain women to deliver babies against their will. hillary clinton thinks the same thing. the difference between them is simply how do you define that
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group of women who should be allowed to terminate pregnancies? the supreme court's definition and hillary clinton's definition are very clear. it is the same in all 50 states. the law applies to all american women as the law should. senator graham's definition is a mess with at least 50 different definitions depending on where you live. according to his definition what's fair in one state sun fair in another. but at least, at least he recognizes the fundamental principle that 88% of americans recognize that there is a practical and humane case for abortion. u have enough money to live life on your terms? i sure hope so. with healthcare costs, who knows. umm... everyone has retirement questions. so ameriprise created the exclusive confident retirement approach. now you and your ameripise advisor.... can get the real answers you need.
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you can turn up the music at the pamela harris for senate victory party. he will not run for senator barbara boxer's seat in the united states senate saying given the imperative of electing a democratic president along with my passion for our state, i believe my work right now should not be in our nation's capital, but here at home in california and in states around the country where we can make a difference. with him out, california attorney general pamela harris remains the only announced democratic candidate and she was declared the winner the day she announced two weeks ago. up next tom brady answers reporter's questions about his balls. (dad) i wanted a car that could handle anything.
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i fixed it! (dad) that's why i got a subaru legacy. (vo) symmetrical all-wheel drive plus 36 mpg. i gotta break more toys. (vo) introducing the all-new subaru legacy. it's not just a sedan. it's a subaru. ver kn to know a secret? i wasn't always a redhead. you'd never know it though because it's nice'n easy color so natural looking it's clairol's #1 authentic color that's always true to you. so shift a shade and still look like your most amazing you. curling up in bed with a favorite book is nice. but i think women would rather curl up with their favorite man. but here's the thing: about half of men over 40 have some degree of erectile dysfunction. well, viagra helps guys with ed get and keep an erection. and remember, you only take it when you need it. ask your doctor if your heart is healthy enough for sex. do not take viagra if you take nitrates for chest pain; it may cause an unsafe drop in blood pressure. side effects include headache,
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flushing, upset stomach and abnormal vision. to avoid long-term injury, seek immediate medical help for an erection lasting more than four hours. stop taking viagra and call your doctor right away if you experience a sudden decrease or loss in vision or hearing. ask your doctor about viagra. everybody has a preference. some guys like them round and some guys like them thin. some guys like them tacky. some like them brand new. some like oval. they're all different. when i felt them, they were perfect. >> you know, stephanie, when they told me i was going to have to talk about guys and their balls, i said get me stephanie miller, a couple of balls. stephanie miller you watch more football than i do.
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which by the way is true of anyone who watches football. >> i had no idea men were so picky about their balls. >> it's everything. look, i used to throw these things a lot, catch them a lot. inflation does make a real difference. >> right. we normally talk about politics. we're on the heels of the republicans accusing the president of having overinflated balls in the state of the union and being too confrontational. it's odd that men can be as picky and yet careless about their balls at the same time. >> tom brady said he felt them, they were perfect. you know who can argue with that? i watched this news conference today. i have not watched anybody with a goofy hat on talking about football or anyone talking about football, as long as i can remember. i did not believe a word of his denial. >> no. >> he gets into fetishistic
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detail about exactly why he selecting these balls and every little sensation he can feel about the difference in them. then he says when they change the inflation, i don't even notice that. >> right. i think -- well there is significant shrinkage in the cold. but it seems hard to believe 11 of 12 balls just suddenly got to that state. every man says his are perfect, we know that. >> every quarterback certainly wants them perfect. this is the straight faced challenge by the way. >> i think we're doing really well. >> there's an actual quarterback, why take it from me. let's listen to what joe theismann said about this. >> if you press your thumbs on the seams, you can feel the difference. >> everybody knows that. tom brady is up there today in that news conference with the goofy -- why did he have the goofy hat on? he was indoors and he has a hat
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on designed for men shoveling snow in blizzards and he wants to be taken seriously. >> it helps if you hold the balls before you push your fingers into the seam. it's hard for me to finger this ball exactly -- >> how many balls do you want? >> thank you. i'll take two. >> okay. so is this a big controversy on your show, are you getting a lot of calls about this? or are your callers more concerned about things that matter? >> i think the whole question is, is it cheating? that's really more the controversy right before the super bowl because normally -- >> integrity of the game came up a hot today. >> we normally need to focus on someone's boobyes being the biggest threat to the super
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bowl. remember janet jackson. but now it's the balls. >> would you like two balls to take home if >> yes, a mitt romney and jeb bush summit is on. plus, antiabortion problems on the hill. >> i ask involuntary manslaughter consent to remove myself from h.r.36. >> republican women rebel over an abortion bill. then, new criticism of bill cosby. the question, is it still okay to watch the cosby show? >> i have no knowledge -- >> i have no knowledge. >> i have no explanation. >> i didn't alter the ball in any way.


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