tv All In With Chris Hayes MSNBC February 24, 2015 12:00am-1:01am PST
over mickey mouse stuff that rudy has now thrown into the arena. "all in" starts now. >> tonight on "all in." taking a page from sarah palin, scott walker refusing to answer easy questions from the main stream media. the first media fire storm of 2016. then, al shabab threatens to join. and a climate clang scientist who forgot to mention he is funded by fossil fuel.
>> you don't have to say it. >> "all in" starts right now. good evening from new york, i'm chris hayes, a 2016 presidential candidate scott walker is facing major blow back for whether or not he believes president obama is christian or loves his country. he met with the president for a sit down that walker described at "a good meeting." he met with the annual winter gathering in washington, and on saturday he was asked once again if he want today repudiate rudy giuliani's comment that the president does not love america. once again, he punted. >> i think the president and the mayor can speak for themselves. i know people all across the political spectrum who do, but that is something that the major and president will have to talk about. >> the 2016 campaign is still in
it's infancy, it has been a roller coaster for walker who has rocketed up the standing and then fell back to earth after a series of embarrassing gaffes where he failed to answer simple noncontroversal questions. he has punted over and over. this weekend, when asked if obama is christian, he said i don't know. he cleared to be claiming he cannot comment on someone's religion unless he had discussed it with with them. he even acknowledged he was punting when he declined to discussion evolution earlier this month as well.
>> i'm going to punt on that one as well. >> no, really? >> that is a question a politician should not be involved in. >> any british politician right or left would laugh and say of course evolution is true. >> i'm here to talk about trade. >> there is another possibility here, that his punting is not a gaffe at all, but maybe a design to be on the rush limbaugh side. he is also reportedly planning to bring up his media detractors and his questions in remarks tonight to a christian media convention. he seems to be positions himself as the only potential g.o.p. president who can bring together the republican establishment and case.
it won't win over a establishment and offer simple questions to simple answers. former chairman of the republican national committee. former vermont governor. what is going on here. he bumbled his way into it and he is reverse engineering a strategy around it after he did it. >> i think it is both. i think -- this is a reflection of what happens when you have early handlers around you that are trying to isolate and insulate a candidate not even announced for office. you get into this vortex and you wind up sort of spinning out of control a little bit. marco rubio says it should have been a lay up. i can take exception. why are you asking me questions
about evolution and all of this stuff, i'm a governor of a state, but the conversation in certain circles have denigrated to that. i would love to hear democrats and maybe hillary can talk about how joe biden puts his hands on the secretary of defense's wife is a little icky. >> michael, i like that response, and even the parenthetical that was ablely put in there there about joe biden. that is a legitimate duo ask hillary clinton, right? the problem for republicans right now is up like hkt who i think is making the calculation that she has the field to herself they all have to talk to the press all of the time because they're competing for oxygen.
howard, i sort of wonder if you have any sympathy for the idea that this is a game of gotcha. >> my view after i went through it is look, this is the most important office in the world. if you wasn't survive a little gotcha from the press which is very unattractive and makes you mad, what will you do when vladimir putin demands alaska back, right? i always thought that scott walker was a rookie and he was in over his head as governor and i can't imagine him at president. he doesn't have an inner compass. this is both. some of it is gotcha'd and some of it is catering to the right wing. he will say some things that are hard to live down.
the average american voter wants to know that he thinks he respects the presidency and you can't respect the presidency if you think he is not a christian, and born in kenya, and all of this other crazy crap. he is now catering to the crazy wing in the republican party. that is great in the primary but it will bite him in the general election. it will also make him unavailable for vice president. i think he could beat jeb bush, but i also think he did you want want to go too far out there or he wasn't be on the ticket at all. >> you mention the kenya thing, he has not been asked that, but michael, my dream experiment is you ask him increasingly ludacris questions. >> exactly, chris, that is the unfortunate part of where we are
right now. i would like to see us move beyond that because i think the substance of what they have done in their states is worthy of the debate and that is what they need to get to. >> let's talk about the man that kicked all of this off, and this is no ones -- i'm sympathetic, i'm genuinely sympathetic from the right and the left, but let's be clear, this did all start really with giuliani saying something that hoe himself said was horrible and then going around and essentially doubling, tripping, quadrupling down on it. he said i cannot read president obama's mind or heart, and to the extent that my words suggested otherwise that was not my intention. come on, michael, what do you think of that? >> he is trying to pull back after going very far out on a limb on this. a lot of us no matter what your stripes are have such admiration
for the mayor. it was surprising to hear him go there. that was very disappointing in many respects and i think he is trying to recover from it. and now you have another talking point or sticking point that candidates are going to have to answer because he opened that pandora's box. >> we made a handy chart on "does the president love america. we have obama hearts usa, obama does not heart usa, and who knows. so for on the record, in what has emerged, howard, is an early dividing issue. >> well, i mean, rudy is getting a little like ed cotchin. after awhile, you start to say things you probably should not say. i think that is where they are
all -- that is where we are now. and i think rudy realized and he tried to reel it back in. he does not want to back off of anything, that is not in his nature. this is the kind of stuff that will bug the republicans. this is the hard part. there is a whole wing of the republican party most of whom will support jeb bush that would like to put this nutty stuff behind them. does obama love america. the antigay stuff, the antiimmigration stuff. women have a class of wine and get fertile and all of that crazy stuff, rape, whatever. they don't want to talk about that any more. this is the kind of stuff that raises that and the media will pounce on it and blow it up. >> you know firsthand how crazy they are, the media, that is. >> how is a video that only attacks targets in east africa
saturate america? >> i think there needs to be an awareness, vigilance, and be careful, obviously . flo: hey, big guy. i heard you lost a close one today. look, jamie, maybe we weren't the lowest rate this time. but when you show people their progressive direct rate and our competitors' rates you can't win them all. the important part is, you helped them save. thanks, flo. okay, let's go get you an ice cream cone, champ. with sprinkles? sprinkles are for winners. i understand.
in the depths of february, things can seem bleak. on saturday, something happened in norway where over 1,000 people gathered around the main synagogue to form a human shield. it was meant as a response for the attacks against jews in paris and copenhagen. they want to demonstrate that jews and muslims do not hate each other. >> but the willingness of
not show hostages being killed. all it took was a decent camera, a jacket, and a few minutes of someone's times to shoot and edit it and put a few graphics on it. now this group that has never made an attack has dominated the news cycle for 48 hours. it even led the secretary to sound the alarm. >> any time a ter resists calls for an attack on a specific place, we have to take that seriously. if anyone is planning to go to the mall of america today, they have to be particularly careful. >> the u.s. government says there is no evidence of a specific credible plot against the mall of america or any other commercial sites. today, they called out the video
for what it really is. >> our true is propaganda. we need to remain vigilant as is always the case, but the point of this video was to instill fear. >> joining me now is senator amy klobachar. how is anyone supposed to understand jay johnson saying if you go to the mall be careful. what do i do with that? >> i think first, chris, you heard not just jay johnson buzz other security secretaries saying to be vigilant in public spaces. i think what is key is the fbi said people should go on with their lives. jay johnson himself said people should feel free to go to the mall and feel secure going to the mall and our security has been up there. i will say this. for us you may this it is an obscure group, we had 20 indictments in minnesota for
people who aided al shabab. they have worked incredibly well with law enforcement, but i want you to know it is not an unknown anymore in minnesota because they have tried with other numerous videos to recruit somalis in minnesota to go fight with their terrorist group. >> they were behind the mall bombing in kenya that was brutal and horrific. they put out this video and there is no, as far as i can tell, public or classified demonstrated capacity to do anything to carry it out, and you have an endless loop for 48 hours. i think that is a good point about things getting exaggerated. for the workers that worked there, i spoke to them last night.
they want to snow that our government is behind them. i was able to tell them what the fbi said. do remember that this is coinciding with the debate about funding for homeland security. we have what we call a clean bill, a bill to fund our first responders, a bill to fund homeland security, and we have been dealing with amendments, poison pills, and immigration that don't belong on there. when those workers looked at me they say i want to make sure the government is behind us. i do think it is relative in that way. we want to make sure we're giving people the protection they need. a threat, we don't know how serious these threats can be at times. i trust our law enforcement on this. i know when they say they want to up security, they will up security. >> is that -- explain to me what the tangible difference between a funded dhs and a nonfunded dhs is. >> a number of the workers would
have to be furloughed. you have all kinds of workers you could probably put up lists of who would be and who wouldn't be. why are we sending this message to the rest of the world with what we saw in paris, with the computer cyber attack. i don't think they do. i'm hopeful we will be able to resolve it this week. all i know is we're five days away from shutting down homeland security and that is not the message our country wants to send to whoever produces video. >> up next, breaking news out of texas. >> do you think you will get a stay? >> i'm optimistic. i mean the evidence is there, it
is just if the courts are willing to acknowledge this, you know what i'm saying? i really, i'm optimistic, and i have faith that it is possible. >> his optimism is rewarded. ten days before he faced execution for the rape and murder of a 19-year-old. what he told me, ahead. (cha-ching!) it felt like we were flushing money away. mom! that's why we switched to charmin ultra mega roll. it's charmin quality and long lasting. with more go's per roll, it pays to use charmin ultra mega roll. charmin ultra mega roll is 75% more absorbent so you can use less with every go. plus it even lasts longer than the leading thousand sheet brand. for us, mega roll equals mega value. cha-ching! we all go. why not enjoy the go with charmin ultra mega roll?
reid two weeks before he was scheduled to be put to death. he was convicted from the 1996 rape and murder of stacey stites. they cleared dozens of suspects, including her fiance, a rookie fiance. they matched dna inside stites to a local rodney reed. to this day, he maintains innocence. tonight, a new look at the forensic evidence and the court has halted his execution. earlier this month i spoke to him about his experience there. >> were you scared?
i mean you are told you're being sent to go live with the worst monsters in texas. the people who have done the most heinous acts and you're going to be around them. >> no. i can't say that i was scared. i can't say that i was scared. i didn't want to come here, but i -- i used to fight. i used to be a boxer. and you know a man is a man. a man is going to defend himself. so i was curling up and balling up, and i'm going to defend myself. i was prepared to do that because you know what i'm saying, i was coming here. once i got here, some of these guys are like looking at the big picture. some of these guys were someone else's neighbor, brother, father. you don't know what may have happened in their lives that brought them here, you know what i'm saying? and just like my situation, i had nothing to do with this case, but i'm here.
but as me being on death row, i see there are some guys that have strong innocence claims, and i can't look at them as the worst of the worst. i just can't. >> do you think you're going to get a stay? >> i'm optimistic, the evidence is there. if the courts are willing to acknowledge this. i really, i'm optimistic and i have faith. that it is possible. i don't entertain the thought of being executed. if it happens, it happens, but i'm not looking for that to happen. i mean the evidence speaks for itself. the state knows, they know, this evidence has always been out there. it should not have taken this long. when you have a prosecutor with unlimited resources and the county, your law enforcement
agencies, the texas rangers, all of these people involved in this investigation and you tell me this evidence was not compiled in the right fashion to where you would know the truth. it is not right. >> well much more of my interview with rodney reed on death row and an in-depth look at his case next month asking the question a texas court will now be looking at. is the state of texas trying to execute a man for a crime he did not commit?
with her daughter, who is in the movie, standing right next to her. >> i don't need to see that to know how good she is. >> you don't have to see it. >> i'm like you can see it, and you're like no -- >> she doesn't, there is that red room. >> i think it's okay, it's a movie, she knows that. >> mom! as for the oscars themselves, race under pinned the very first joke and it was directly and dramatically addressed by john legend in his comments about incarceration. >> tonight we honor the best and whitest -- sorry, brightest. >> we live in the most incarcerated country in the world. there are more black men under correctional control tool than
were under slavery in 1850. joining me now is jason bailey, author of "the ultimate woody allen film companion." i mean, you could spend hours talking about the racial dynamics of that entire three-and-a-half hours. going in, you have basically the whitest set of nominees in a really long time. >> in a year when there was a great movie about -- >> yeah, with "selma," right? then you have the joke to start out by neil patrick harris -- >> first joke of the night. >> how do we feel about it? >> i'm pro that joke if it doesn't turn into a terrible ceremony after that. i thought it would set up a really biting commentary, but what happened after that made
that whole joke feel very short sided -- >> like we got it out of the way. we're acknowledging -- >> the structural planned events did not further embrace race, except for "glory." but all of the commentary about race came from people who got on stage and made comments. >> and to some degree from the people in the audience. there was a lot of really interesting writing today about the way we saw push back just in the front of the audience in the sheer number of standing ovations for "selma" related events. and the idea that we tend to -- mark harris, said we tend to think of the academy as a sort of monolithic entity, when it is a group of people and there are clearly some people not happy with how that film was treated. >> and the great jay smooth had
a video today about how people who seem so aware, and part of it is they are two different sets of people. >> right, absolutely. the thing that stuck out to me was when that moment happened, the almost two minute standing ovation for the selma performance -- >> something about it was really magical. >> it was incredible. >> it was magical. and it almost made the jokes about the whiteness feel like too real. it was like okay, we're all admitting that the "selma" thing that people from the academy said wild things. they said like it wasn't art. they said all of these things about it. but when that reaction happens to a performance like that, it kind of throws salt in the wound about how it was treated in the academy awards. and you side the actor there
sobbing at the end of it. and it felt like there was a bunch of stuff in those tears. he didn't get nominated for what i thought was a tremendous performance, and then it was like this is too real. this moment is sticking out precisely because -- there is also the fact that it was noticeable howdy verse the presenters were which -- you're laughing, it's like okay, i see you guys, i see what we're trying to do here. cool, but also is this just packaging? >> and there was failures in the packaging too like using octavia spencer in a problem for an ongoing gag with neil patrick harris and it used her in an absolutely -- it was just terrible. >> neil patrick harris all but handed her a broom. it was like could you be my helper.
>> sheer what that entire neil patrick harris element, when you put the opening joke against that bit, it is like how hollywood handles racism. we're acknowledge i'm not racist, but let's do a sort of racist bit. >> i know there is a lot of back story about what happened with sean penn closing out the night, making a green card joke, and there is that kind of -- i'm going to make that little funny racist jab but it's fun because we're all friends here. >> that there is an idea, the hollywood reporter academy reporter saying we're not creatonnist --
>> in the interest of mathematical balance, i will bring out two people that agree with you, and bill nye, i will bring out 96 other scientists. this is the only way we can have a representative discussion. >> john oliver would like tv news producers to stop staging debates that make it seem like an equal fight. you may have seen a pie chart that demonstrates that large consensus. you may have wondered who makes up the other 3%? i will tell you. climate change skeptics if we're being generous where often not all they appear to be. take for instance this guy. the washington post called him the high priest of climate change doubters.
he has taken it to fox news and the state of kansas we are he said climate is not changing in a dangerous way. the "new york times" reported this week that though often described as an astro physicist, he is not. he has to bring in his own funding. the folks at green peace found out where she getting money from, and he is accepted more than $1.2 million in money from fossil fuel industry corporations. he denies that it affects his findings.
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>> as she was giving that process, in process, and when had immediately ended, i was with meryl streep. >> she said that women who give birth, a weird reference to taxpayers, but i chalked a lot of it up to nervous, accepting an academy award, and i was so happy. there is not often passionate feminism at the oscars. and hollywood is a sexist business, and she was talking about wage equality. i woke up this morning and i saw what she said afterwards. and what she did was basically make the argument that women
have stepped up for people of color, gay and lesbian equality, and now it's time -- there is a valid critique with deep historical roots about the order in which social progress is taking place. it goes back hundreds of years. >> all the way back to hillary and barack obama. >> which is the source of all of this. >> in addition to fights, feminism was born in part out of the frustrations of women in the other movements, who felt forced to take a seat behind other struggles and have their own movements for equality put second. so there is a history of this. when i want to make reference to it, you don't put people in
groups like that. it's not women, and people of color, and gay and lesbian. the question to the, here is the question, right? however you feel about how that cashes out, what is the right reaction to that. is it like a glass half full or a glass half empty, are you like hey, awesome, let's work on the other stuff or is it like what's your deal? >> my take on it is i think we are so used to now the world that happens where someone says something that isn't spot on, and then we're like well this is a learning moment and we can all have a dialogue and move forward -- >> that is a generous way of talking about what happens. >> that is the reality of -- >> this is a learning moment. >> taking a phrase that gets said a lot on the internet, when
people just say never tweet. it's one of those things where sometimes i need to just bring it back a little. do a little reading before i get out there. >> so you're saying before we jump into the patricia arquette outrage cycle? >> no, i'm saying -- patricia arquette should not tweet. that's more of what i'm saying. i like the fact that on our biggest stages we want people to make these statements, but i would rather them be made correctly than not be made at all. >> i feel like any time you can get someone in front of an audience that's that vast, talking about the pay gap, it's ultimately like that. and this is a industry where that gap is a big, huge thing. one of the few sort of positive things that came out of the sony hack why actresses are using the information to get equal pay.
>> if you apply this to holly would specifically, there is huge racism in hollywood, that doesn't -- >> there is a wage gap there. >> exacerbated by being a person of color and a woman. so it doesn't track, especially in hollywood. >> what were you going to say in. >> i think one thing it does highlight is this idea of, you know, your heart is in the right place, but you have not thought about everyone. it's like i'm passionate, focused, excited to make a stance, but you only thought about this group, this group, and this group. >> we don't have time to play the sean penn joke where he basically announced the best director who gave this son of
a -- a green card. did i get that -- i thought the joke was funny. i thought it was very obviously a send up of antiimmigration. he was parodying the voice of an antiimmigration person, when it was evident he brought such tremendous value to the country. >> there is few people on the earth less humorous than sean penn. he had the disposition of a man waiting for a colonoscopy. so it is just not going other because he is such an essentially humorless human being.
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>> the subject edward snowden could not be here for some treason. we now have the journalist who has been row porting on it. he was standing on stage. i this is important. you have a great act of a buzz feed article, neil patrick harris blasts edward snowden. i almost tweeted something light harded about it, but i decided it was too inconsequential. he had been parading around in his underwear moments before. and then a reporter saw me and asked me a whole bunch of
questions. i laughed about it. i said i'm trying not to get into trouble. even though it was just a joke, i thought it was irresponsible and stupid. he was not charged or convicted of treason. buzz feed blasted that making it seem like i'm on a warpath. i thought it was an interesting anecdote about how internet age media wants people to get single quotes to generate interest and outrage. >> i want to talk about the significance of this, and more important than that, what was your tux situation last night? the rental?
did you buy? >> that is, i think the most pressing question which i'm thrilled you asked about. it was an emergency, american airlines lost our luggage, and so we had to go buy an emergency -- >> so you were not lent a garment you had to return. >> we were lent some and didn't like any of those, so we went out and bought it and for the record it was ralph lauren. >> i'm hoping this will also be a buzz feed article. >> what did you think about the significance of the win? i think 20 feet from stardom
won, that was also great. what was jr. understanding of the significance of this and what was that moment like when you get on stage at the oscars? >> i think it is a testament and tribute to the film making genius. i think it was more of a cinematic award. i think we should all be able to agree that we should not have government doing the most significant things in the dark without us knowing and the debate this provoked is one that everybody can support. as for being in the oscars, it's a disgusting ritual of extraf -- so to be standing there in that setting, and to have that be one of the outcomes of what we did
was definitely very bizarre. >> i want to reiterate what you said about the artistry of the film. just a story about a person in truly extraordinary circumstances, being documented in realtime, it was, it is incredibly gripping film work. >> we kind of appreciated from the very beginning the human drama of the situation. a 29-year-old, very ordinary, took extraordinary actions. i think they're all fascinating questions that the film really brilliantly explores.
>> glenn greenwald, thank you very much. >> good evening rachel. >> that is a game i so want to play. >> i totally just asked who he was wearing and i'm very happy about that. >> if we ever set up like pub quiz, you have locked us into that game forever and we'll give away glenn's tux. it will be great. happy monday. today the news is nuts. what do you get it you combine the values of g.m., g.e., and mcdonald's? and walmart? what do you get if you combine the values of those four gigantic companies? you would get one apple.