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press conference is expected any minute from bridget kelly responding to new charges filed against her today in connection to bridge-gate. kelly is the former deputy chief of staff to governor chris christie and the woman who wrote the infamous e-mail "time for some traffic problems for ft. lee." but first we go to the major unexpected developments out of baltimore today. there are celebrations on the streets of that city this afternoon following the announcement that criminal charges have been filed against six police officers in the death of resident freddie gray. in a detailed and troubling account of what happened to mr. gray while in police custody last month, states attorney marilyn marilyn mosby ruled gray's death a homicide. >> the findings are comprehensive, thorough and independent investigation coupled with the medical examiner's determination that mr. gray's death was a homicide which we received today, has led us to believe that we have probable cause to file criminal charges.
>> the charges against the officers include murder and manslaughter. warrants have been issued for the arrest of all six officers. at this hour five of them are in custody. the officer driving the van, officer caesar goodson jr. was charged with second degree murder manslaughter, second-degree assault, two vehicular manslaughter charges and misconduct in office. if convicted of all charges, he would face up to 63 years in prison. one officer faces up to 30 years. the others could face up to 20 years. the police union asked the state's attorney to recuse herself and appoint a special prosecutor for the case citing conflicts of interest. joining me now is msnbc national correspondent joy reid. we're waiting for duelling press conferences so i apologize in advance if i have to cut you off. as it concerns marilyn mosby, a popular response to her announcement of the charges today, but there has been some back and forth between her and the fraternal order of police
about whether a special prosecutor should be apointed. have you heard more on that front? >> absolutely alex. that is because her husband is a city councilman representing this area who has been very vocal about wanting to see charges brought against the police officers, including on msnbc and appearances he's done in media. that has led the order of police. would have sounded the alarm and raised cane about the prosecution. but they are using that to state that she should not produce cute this case. as you know, i will say she answered that in her press conference saying that she is a servant to the law and she sees no conflict of interest. >> i've got to cut you off because bridget kelly is taking the mic. let's listen in. >> trusted and respected, have attempted to publicly discredit and even humiliate me. i am here today to say that i will no longer allow the lies
that have been said about me or my role in the george washington bridge issue go unchallenged. contrary to the way that i have been described by some of my former colleagues i am not stupid. i am not weepy, insecure unqualified, or overwhelmed. i believe i was, and still am a very qualified hard-working woman who took pride each and every day in being a loyal public employee. like many working mothers, i too juggled the demands of an incredibly fast-paced job with my responsibilities as a mother of four children while commuting close to four hours to and from work every day. for 20 incredible years, i had the honor of working for the state of new jersey in a career that i absolutely loved. my time in state government was
about public service. it gave me the opportunity as best i could to see that state government worked for the people of new jersey not against them. with regard to the charges that have been brought against me, let me make something very clear. i am not guilty of these charges. i never ordered or conspired with david wildstein to close or realign lanes at the bridge for any reason much less for retribution. i do not know the mayor and i certainly harbor no ill feelings towards him. let me also say this. i am not a liar. and i never lied to anyone about the george washington bridge issue. the characterization by some of my former colleagues in both the
master report and even in sworn testimony of my involvement in the george washington bridge issue is at best a mistake, or at worst, a lie. as the governor's former spokesperson stated under oath it is an absurd thought to believe that a member of the governor's staff could close the george washington bridge. additionally, for the indictment to suggest that i was the only person in the governor's office who was aware of the george washington bridge issue is ludicrous. as a lifelong resident of bergen county who regularly uses the george washington bridge as well as the access lanes through ft. lee, i know how disruptive and frustrating it is to sit in severe traffic at the bridge and would never participate in something retaliatory or
punitive. david wildstein is a liar. further, i had absolutely nothing to do with the decision to cancel meetings with the mayor and his team. any decision that i was the decision maker or that i had the authority to cancel the meetings is ridiculous. it has been a very long and painful year. when you go through something like this, you do find out who your true friends are. fortunately for me, i have managed to forge through due to the incredible incredible love and support of my family and those friends who have chosen to stand by me when it would have been easier or even professionally safer to run from me. my four amazing children mary-kate, connor liam and
anne-marie have handled themselves with such maturity and such grace during this difficult time. i am forever grateful for their love, their support, and their uncanny ability to make me smile even during this darkest part of this last year. as anyone who actually knows me will tell you, i am far from president. i make my share of mistakes. i deeply regret and i'm embarrassed by the content and tone of some of the e-mails and text messages that i exchanged with my colleagues. i do realize that some of my offhanded attempts at sarcasm and at humor were not as witty as they were intended to be and were actually insensitive and even offensive and do not reflect my true intentions. however, even with the acknowledgement of my flaws, i
am not guilty for the crimes for which i have been accused. i look forward to publicly sharing the truth about what occurred regarding this issue with the jury and allow them not some self-interested parties, to determine what really happened. once again, i will fight relentlessly to clear myself of these charges and will work to regain my reputation and restore a sense of normalcy for my four children, and again, thank you very much for being here today. [ applause ] >> bridget ann kelly was indicted on nine counts including conspiracy to commit fraud in connection with the bridge-gate scandal. we just got her first remarks right now. steve kornacki they were defensive, a very vehement defense. she cited the fact that she has four children. she went back to her service as a public servant. she said clearly david wildstein
is a liar. she, of course has been -- these indictments are coming basically on the heels of a plea deal between david wildstein and investigators. and said that she is not guilty of these charges, never conspired to close lanes on the george washington bridge. your thoughts about her defense today? >> well, i mean that's the idea of david wildstein as a liar attacking his credibility. he now becomes, by cutting this plea deal with the federal prosecutors, he becomes their star witness in this case that they're making, that this was a three-person conspiracy with wildstein, bridget kelly and bill baroni. you just heard her say that david wildstein is a liar, in a press conference just after paul fishman. bill baroni's attorney came out and called david wildstein a habitual liar which is a jarring thing if you really know the players in this case when you consider the personal relationship between david wildstein and bill baroni. i can't think of two people i ever met in politics who were as close personally as those two were right until this incident happened a year and a half ago.
the other thing i think you heard in her statement there, she said the idea that i as an aide would have been able to do this on my own is crazy. the idea that nobody else would have known about the nature of these shutdowns, that would be crazy, too. that's another aspect of this defense you're going to hear. when you know these players, and where she comes from in new jersey politics, she's somebody who was never in chris christie's inner circle. she was not part of the team that got him elected in 2009. she doesn't go way back with him like a lot of these other people do. she was in bergen county politics. suburban north jersey politics. she got brought in by bill stepien. i think one of the cases you're going to hear her defense making in all of this is that her role was that she was not a decision maker on anything policy-wise. she was not a decision-maker. and one other thing to keep in mind when you talk to people around her and get a sense of what this defense is going to be they are confident that you look at that e-mail time for some traffic problems in ft. lee, that's the one everyone's going to try to hang on her. they are confident that when all of that comes out in court, that
e-mail is going to look very different and it's going to be part of a flow of conversation that will change the meaning of that. i don't know what that means in particular. >> and ari, she seemed to suggest -- she did not cite the e-mail by name. but she suggested that some of her e-mails had been misconstrued, that they were witticisms, that they were jokes, that there was context. >> let's take a step back. she's not accused, as governor christie said, of moving the traffic cones, right? she's not accused of taking the overt physical act in the lane. this is a federal charge of conspiracy. that's multiple people conspireing to do something illegal. and the conspiracy is to misuse property that has federal funds and to do wire fraud. and to deny people their civil rights, in case you didn't know it turns out being stuck in traffic or driving at a slow pace is your civil right to travel. that is the charge here. it is different from what different attorney general or local prosecutors might have
found. those are the hooks that this prosecutor found. to be fair to her, it's certainly true that once we hear her side of the case she may be able to put a different tone and context on e-mails. and it does matter. saying something as a joke or in the context of what other people are doing and going along with it in government might be very different from being an active conspirator. but the charges do not require as a legal bar that she was out overtly doing everything. all they require is that she was in on the plan. that's what the u.s. attorney is alleging today. >> i mean what seems to have happened here, is that there's just been fracturing of parties. there was some unity at the beginning. and now it feels like there are duelling press conferences happening through this hour. press conferences today. does all of that make governor christie more or less nervous? >> well i think first of all, you've got to say, it's the horrible events and everything in baltimore from a public relations standpoint, this was a good day for this to happen for chris christie because it's been
overshattered by so much of what's going on in baltimore. you look at today as sort of the starting point. something that's going to play out now over another nine months or so. you're going to probably have a trial here involving bridget kelly and bill baroni. you also have this other outstanding issue. this was not mentioned, but david sampson, the chairman of the port authority of new york and new jersey. this is chris christie's closest confidant. all the reports indicate and all of my reporting indicates that the investigation, the federal investigation that began with these lane closures that you're seeing addressed today, that that sort of branched out, as more information came to light to involve potential conflicts of interest business dealings this whole story about united airlines and trying to insist on a route to his vacation home down in south carolina. >> it all involves transportation. >> and one lawyer said to me the other day, he said what you're going to see on friday with bridget kelly and bill baroni and anybody else he said that's going to be the bing. a few weeks from now with david sam
sampson you're going to get the bang. >> and the bada boom? >> that's a jersey way of putting it. >> there are other investigations. there's an s.e.c. investigation as to whether the governor diverted funds. >> i hate to be the bearer of good news. but if you're looking at the politics of it it would seem based on what we've learned today from the u.s. attorney and his carefully crafted statements, which are subject to revision. the bottom line here is there is a good chance this is good news for chris christie. that could change. >> wait why? >> because this according to the prosecutor is the bridge-gate investigation. steve, who knows these issues well, is absolutely right. there are a bunch of other outstanding issues. >> right. >> but as for bridge gate, the closure of these lanes as political retribution, the misuse of federal resources, this is the answer. these are the indictments. and chris christie is not among them. things change very quickly when people start looking at jail time. but if you're going to take a
pause and look at what this investigation found, it did not find a smoking gun linking chris christie in knowledge or oversight of closing the lanes. >> but can i amplify that for a second? i think there's a couple things you have to consider here. first of all, who the government is cutting its deal with here. so the prosecutors now are basically going to rely on david wildstein as their star witness. the credibility of their case rests on the credibility of david wildstein. one of the first things that david wildstein's lawyer said when he left the courtroom today is that governor christie was aware of these closures as they were happening, that evidence exists that he knew and that that evidence has been provided to federal prosecutors. they asked paul fishman about that, the u.s. attorney, in his press conference. he didn't want to address these. so they are linking their credibility as prosecutors to a guy who has said as recently as after he cut a plea deal that there's evidence that chris christie had knowledge of this. >> but the u.s. attorney is not making those charges.
said today i don't have further indictments. >> i guess the question is is there a yet at the end of that sentence? >> first of all, i think it's worth noting that they are linking the credibility to something. i think the much bigger concern that chris christie has and the point i'm really trying to raise here is that as this goes forward, you're going to see from bridget kelly and bill baroni chris christie's name is going to be coming up in this a lot. the idea that they are not in position and the jobs that they had in this administration, that they are not in position to be making the kinds of decisions that they're alleged to have made. that they didn't have the authority. and the final piece, and this is all everything comes back to human nature and human relationships and everything. chris christie publicly for the last year and a half has made a series of statements about the nature of his relationship with david wildstein. and he's basically disparaged david wildstein going back to their high school days.
a few things has come to light that this seems to be a closer relationship over the last few years. i know bill baroni doesn't like the way he's been characterized and i know david wildstein does not like the way he's been characterized. at some point, i imagine he's going to have a lot to say about chris christie. >> yes, probably something about what kind of class president chris christie was or athlete in high school. because that's where we're at in new jersey politics. steve kornacki and ari melber thank you so much for your time. steve will have much more on bridge-gate as he hosts "hardball" tonight. you can of course catch ari on "the cycle" week days at 3:00 p.m. on msnbc. after the break, we'll have more on those six officers charged in the death of freddie gray and the response from residents in baltimore who are out in the streets. that is just ahead on "now."
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moments ago, the police union in baltimore, the fraternal order of police made its first comments since six police officers were charged in the death of freddie gray. >> let me begin by stating how appalled and frustrated we are this morning at information announced by the state's attorney. we are disappointed in the apparent rush to judgment given the fact that the investigation into this matter has not been concluded. our officers like every other american citizen, are entitled to due process. we will continue to support them throughout this judicial process, which we believe will result in the finding of innocence. we also promise all active duty officers that we will continue to work diligently, to ensure that you will receive the necessary support from the fop to enable you to complete your mission safely. at this time i will turn it over to our attorney mike davy.
>> good afternoon. my name is michael davey, i'm an attorney representing baltimore city. my firm has been retained to represent lieutenant rice, and i'm here today to speak on behalf of all of the officers and their legal representation. in my 20 years career as a law enforcement officer and 16 years as an attorney i have never seen such a hurried rush to file criminal charges, which i believe are driven by forces which are separate and apart from the application of law and the facts of this case as we know them. no one condones police misconduct. this is especially true of the entire fop membership including my client, who was a 17-year veteran of this department who has dedicated his life to serving the public. let me state in no uncertain terms that lieutenant rice and all of the officers involved at all times acted reasonably and in accordance with their training as baltimore police
officers. no officer injured mr. gray caused harm to mr. gray and they are truly saddened by his death. these officers did nothing wrong. as all of the facts surrounding this case come out in the appropriate forum, the officers' lack of wrongdoing will be made abundantly clear. we believe that the actions taken today by the state's attorney are an egregious rush to judgment and we have grave concerns about the fairness integrity of the prosecution of our officers. let me reiterate two things. lieutenant rice and all of the officers are deeply affected by mr. gray's passing, and that his injuries did not occur as a result of any action or inaction on the part of these officers. it is our intention to try this case in the courtroom and not the media. these statements have been made in an effort to protect all of
the officers from undue prejudicial effect of publicity surrounding this case. we believe that these officers will be vindicated as they have done nothing wrong. >> those were statements from the fraternal order of police in baltimore and also one of the attorneys representing one of the police in the charges that took place just moments ago. joining me now is neil franklin a former officer with the maryland state police. neil, what's your reaction to the fraternal order of police saying they're appalled by the charges and the rush to judgment? >> well i'm somewhat disappointed. i think the fraternal order of police -- i think they missed an opportunity here. the officers that had been charged will be given their day in court. this isn't a rush to judgment. no judgment has been made yet. we're talking about probable cause, probable cause for placing charges on someone, just like we do average citizens every day in this city. so they will get their day in court. we've heard the details from our
state's attorney mosby regarding the probable cause for those charges placed. there was no probable cause for making the arrest in the first place. i think that's clear. mike davey mentioned a few days ago that there was a switchblade knife on the person of mr. gray and now we find out that it wasn't a switchblade life but it was a legal knife. and then the officers had the responsibility -- they were trained to seat belt passengers into those transport vehicles. it's clear that that has not occurred. >> what about the -- one of the things that marilyn mosby kept repeating in her press conference this morning was that officers were given a number of opportunities to provide medical assistance for freddie gray and declined to do so. you are a former maryland state police officer, what's the training like in terms of when and when you don't call the medics in? >> well first of all, that's your responsibility. you train to render aid when someone requests aid.
whether you believe that they're telling the truth or whether you believe that they're not, when they request it when it's obvious that they need it you need to provide it. that's your duty. and it's happened to me and others in this profession many times before when someone asks for medical assistance. we get on the radio, and we call for it. and you know what if it takes additional time, so be it. you can't take that chance. again, i just think that we missed an opportunity here for the police especially those good police officers, to turn a corner here. and to say, you know what we're going to partner with the citizens. we're going to reaffirm our oath and commitment to the citizens of this great country. and it's not just about here in baltimore. it's every city across this country. >> let me ask you on that note neil. i mean are you concerned at all about the transparency on the part of the baltimore p.d.? we have not received the transcripts of 911 calls. we do not know about radio transmissions between police and their headquarters when they were bringing freddie gray into
custody. we also -- there's a search out for the clothing of one of the officers that may or may not have the uniform of one of the officers that may or may not have freddie gray's dna on it. how unusual is that in terms of police volunteering information, or in this case, not? er. >> well, first of all, the investigation is not over. it will continue. more evidence is probably going to be uncovered. the point here is the state's attorney has determined there's enough probable cause to make the arrest to charge the individuals. that's why that's being done. and that's what we do in all criminal cases that we investigate as police officers across this country. so it's not out of the norm for someone who is suspected of criminal activity, it may be out of the norm for someone who wears a law enforcement uniform. but they are citizens first.
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gray's waistband while gray flailed on the ground. the three officers then loaded gray into a baltimore police transport van driven by officer caesar goodson jr., a moment captured in what is now infamous video footage. at no point was gray secured by seat belt in the van. officer goodson made a first stop where the three arresting officers placed gray in leg shackles and flex cuffs and loaded him on to the floor of the wagon head-first on his stomach. it was following that stop that gray was severely injured, according to authorities. the van stopped a second time to check on gray's condition, but no medical assistance was sought, nor was any offered. police did not reveal the existence of this stop until yesterday. officer goodson then requested additional backup units. at a third stop goodson and a backup unit went into the back of the van to check on freddie gray. gray said that he couldn't breathe and requested a medic at least twice. the officers moved gray from the floor of the van to the bench of the van at that point but failed to secure his seat belt or request medical assistance.
officer goodson made one last stop to pick up another prisoner, at which point gray was unresponsive once again laying on the floor of the police van. a medic was not called until the van arrived at the police station around 9:24 a.m. in which point gray was in full cardiac arrest. freddie gray died at maryland shock trauma center one week later. joining me now is former u.s. attorney alan vinegrad the lead prosecutor in the abner louima case. that case became a national symbol for police brutality. thank you for joining me. >> pleasure to be here. >> so let's just go through the charges here. and the first is the charge that i think most of us have never heard before. second-degree depraved heart murder. what does depraved heart murder mean? >> it means an unintentional murder where the person charged acted with a callous or extreme disregard for human life.
so not an intentional murder but as close to it as the law permits you to get. >> and how hard is it to prove that? that would seem to suggest emotional intent or lack thereof of basic human emotion. >> i think you have to show that the officer, you know, knew of reasons why this individual was in great distress, and took actions that made it clear that he didn't care or even made things worse for him. >> when you heard about the charges, and i think one of the big things that's being debated today is the speed with which these charges were brought. i mean, do the charges seem unusual? does the timeline seem unusual? >> the charges don't the timeline does. the state's attorney said that she was doing her own independent investigation parallel -- >> which began on april 13th. >> correct. so she had lot of time to collect evidence and interview witnesses, as she said she did. but for charges to be brought on the day that the medical examiner determines that the
victim died that it was a homicide, i think is unusual. >> let me ask about the sort of breadth of these charges. there's six officers. all of them have been charged with fairly serious charges. they've been charged fairly seriously. landing them in jail from anywhere from ten to 63 years. is that a strategy on the part of prosecutors, or generally -- i mean you know about the court of law. is there inclination in a broad array of charges in trying to sort of split the officers up from one another in getting one of them to break and perhaps reach a plea deal? >> right. so they've got to bring charges that they think are supported by the evidence. and they will be as in this case. that one episode results in several different charges, be it misconduct in office or false imprisonment or assault or as serious as manslaughter, or in the case of the driver second-degree murder. it's certainly always the wish of a prosecutor in a case like this with multiple defendants that one or more of them will
actually agree to cooperate with the authorities and provide evidence against their colleagues. but generally speaking, that will make the case stronger. i would think that's part of the strategy here. when the events in question you know took place, where who knows if there were any witnesses to what happened inside the van. obviously the victim is dead. so one would think to get that true insider's view the best place to look is one of these officers. >> and how much import do you place on the fact that we did not know about this second stop which was maybe the stop where freddie gray was seriously injured. i mean, is that -- i mean as you look at the sort of details of this case how critical is that to the prosecution? >> i really think it depends on who's responsible for the fact that that was disclosed later rather than sooner. you know maybe the defendants were to blame. maybe it was other people that they weren't affiliated or associated with. so by the time this case gets to a courtroom, that may not even be part of the evidence as
presented at trial. so i think it really depends on why. >> apparently we have security footage, but that was presumably the police department was the one that secured that footage. >> right. >> although the officer presumably did not initially volunteer the information. >> understood. and the question is are these defendants to blame for that or not? and if they're not, why should that come into evidence at their trial? >> it will be a very very interesting set of proceedings to follow. alan vinegrad thanks so much for your time. >> thank you. >> just ahead, we will have more developments out of baltimore, including the question of whether marilyn mosby should recuse herself. that is a big debate, coming up next on "now."
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national reaction to today's announcement of charges against six police officers in the death of freddie gray has so far been mixed. while many cheered it as a triumph of justice, others did not. the maryland state's attorney has declared war on law enforcement. declared fox's todd starnes. freddie's mother says i feel good, we got all six of them. you can rest, freddie. you can be in peace now. the president was measured in his response calling for justice and transparency. >> it is absolutely vital that the truth comes out on what happened to mr. freddie gray. all the evidence needs to be
presented. those individuals who are charged, obviously are also entitled to due process. and rule of law. >> if the charges themselves had been less debated, the speed at which they were brought most certainly will be. >> what i find interesting about this is the speed with which the decision was made. >> this has happened to charge police officers with murder, really quickly. a lot of police officers feeling thrown under the bus or not very happy about that. >> the autopsy report came in this morning. so she was pointing out that this all happened very very quickly. and i wonder if that could possibly raise some questions. >> moments ago, mosby addressed the timing in an interview with nbc's kristen welker. >> i didn't feel any sort of public pressure. it was about getting this right. and i can say that you know from the beginning, this was a thorough investigation. >> joining me now is staff
writer for "slate" jemele buoy jemele ross and benjamin wallace wells. so jemele it's interesting to me that now the debate is not about the fact that an officer of the law has been charged with second-degree murder with a depraved heart, but that maybe marilyn mosby has rushed to judgment by taking less than the standard amount of time perhaps to bring these charges. >> i think it's a testament to how much people expect police officers just not to face any kind of accountability, right? if it were normal for a police officer who skilled someone in circumstances that were very not good to face any kind of accountability, then we would have these regular processes that would play themselves out on a normal basis, but we don't, and so this happens. this to me doesn't look like a rush job. it was two weeks ago, three weeks ago that freddie gray died. so this doesn't look like a rush job. it doesn't look like some sort
of witch hunt of cops. mosby comes from a family of law enforcement officers. so the idea that there's something wrong here -- >> questionable and to be picked apart and debated. i will say everyone watched that press conference. and i think the sense of just a, surprise, and then for some people, and a lot of people in baltimore, the feeling of catharsis. that someone was saying i hear calls for no justice, no peace. i will listen to them i need peace as i pursue justice. on some level, that should be maybe what many law enforcement -- many public officials say. but it never gets said and perhaps because of that or perhaps because she said she was on the side of youths in this situation and youths have been seen doing violent things that has now made her sort of suspect in the eyes of some in all of this. >> i think that we really have to have a moment here where as he said, i think the problem is that we have allowed ourselves
to get into the habit of seeing police abuse and police wrong doing going utterly unaddressed. and so when we begin to see the beginnings of a prosecution take shape, i think it's utterly unfamiliar to people. and it seems like strange language, strange action speedy or excessive speed. the reality is that across america, people are indicted after the evidence has been gathered. the state prosecutor is in possession of what she believes is evidence that indicates that there were crimes that took place here. people are then indicted. that is the process in this country and there is nothing unusually speedy about that. >> i want to emphasize something about that. crimes, right? mosby is saying that these officers committed a crime. and this is what happens when you commit a crime. you don't get a waiting period. you don't get leniency. you are addressed by the legal system. >> so, ben, i think the thing that is disconcerting, but perhaps not surprising, is that
the question of police force seems like it's increasingly becoming almost a partisan issue, and i don't know if that's -- you know, i don't know if we're allowed to say that but i feel like you're seeing a divide with folks on a traditionally conservative network coming to the defense of law enforcement, writ large, and folks on the other side of the aisle talking more vehemently about the problem of police brutality as its own state of emergency in american cities. >> i think to give a little bit of local perspective here mosby was elected just a few months ago, running explicitly against a more "law & order," a more -- she was the more independent candidate for state's attorney. and so you know in the six years that i lived in the city baltimore has been getting steadily a little bit more progressive. not much, but a little bit more
progressive. part of the political question has been when would that find its way into politics. it was a pretty explicit moment where everyone said, you know that's a turning point. bernstein ran as a hard line prosecutor, and mosby, though she wasn't running as a left wing softie, distinguished herself from that. so in some ways there's a longer running political back story here that i think sort of compelled what we're seeing. in some ways, when you think about this in comparison to ferguson it's interesting to see politics operating so directly here. >> yeah. one of the reasons that marilyn mosby is called into question as a potential special investigator is suggested is because she's married to nick mosby, a councilman who represents west baltimore and parts of freddie gray's district. i think there is some concern there, right? i think in fairness that the tables were flipped and it was
the reverse. bob it is not mentioned in the same sort of breath that marilyn mosby's father and grandfather were police officers. so that would seem to sort of balance out maybe the sort of potential conflict of interests. >>. >> the thing about the conflict of interest and the reason why people aren't so focused on it or at least not everyone is, is that it is so unusual for a police officer to -- or police officers to base any kind of sanction. it's so unusual and runs so counter to the incentives that prosecutors usually face that it just doesn't seem like it would be a conflict of interest even though her husband is in the city council, even though we know she's from the community. it does not seem like it's something that should alarm people. there's really no reason for a prosecutor to be out to get
cops. >> fundamentally, these are difficult cases to win. it would seem that the incentives here would not be to indict. >> generally speaking, this is the exception. mostly prosecutors cooperate with law enforcement and work hand to hand. >> the important thing, too, she's not prosecuting law enforcement. she is saying we have evidence that these police officers committed a crime. they were negligent and were going to treat this as a criminal matter. this is a condemnation of police departments. this isn't a condemnation of the practice of law enforcement. it is these individual people did something wrong and we're going to do something about it. >> you raise a really interesting point, which is it would seem to me that at some point, particularly as more and more evidence sort of spills out, that you would hear from officers who want to distinguish themselves. and not even allow people to think that this activity is the norm or tolerated that even
other officer would view as acceptable in the course of your daily work. and it is interesting that as of yet what you hear largely from police unions is essentially they are just doing their job. it's even more alarming quite frankly, if you want to convince me that this is the idea of a good day's work. >> you're a resident of baltimore, standing there on the streets. i don't think the moment should be lost. the two officials most pivotal in bringing justice for freddie gray are two women of color who are working in a democracy that is headed by our first african-american president. the moment seems like a fairly big one. i wonder, on the streets of baltimore, what are you sensing in terms of enthusiasm in terms of catharsis, in terms of reaction to all of this? >> you know it's really been kind of a remarkable day. ives -- i was on north avenue
this morning, and for maybe 90 minutes after mosby's press conference, there was honking of horns, people walking down the street and calling out thank you. you see crowds that say thank you, mosby. there's a way in which i think even much more than stephanie rawlings-blake, who again, called to people who were looting thugs. i think that's going to trail her for a long time. there's a way in which mosby has really captured what people wanted. that's not to say that she didn't move too quickly or to dismiss the questions about her husband, they're clearly there. but in terms of watching street sentiment translate to speedy political action it's sort of an impressive moment. >> it is -- i can't even get the adverb right. it is a moment. it is definitely a moment. thank you guys all for your time. marilyn mosby will be chris
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against six police officers in the death of freddie gray. right now in baltimore, hundreds of residents have started to gather for a march for justice. joining me now from outside baltimore city hall is co-host of "the cycle" toure. what are you seeing out there? what's the energy level? what are people saying? >> it's yet another passionate peaceful, calm but as i said passionate rally on the lawn in front of city hall and baltimore. a group of students just recently showed up in the last ten minutes from johns hopkins and the maryland institute college of art. but most of these folks are from seiu or religious folks of all sorts of religious backgrounds and there's a woman -- several women walking around with sage to cleanse the energy. folks are saying that this is a tragedy, but they're glad it happened here so they could bring the community together. >> thank you for that update. "the ed show" continues our live coverage coming up next. good evening americans.
welcome to "the ed show" live from washington, d.c. we are awaiting a press conference just moments away from freddie gray's family. this comes after we got details today in gray's death, six baltimore police officers are facing various charges, including second-degree murder and illegally arresting mr. gray. earlier today, state attorney marilyn mosby gave all the details in a blockbuster news conference. she named names and laid out the charges. the press conference is starting right now. we'll go right to it live in baltimore. this is the gray family responding to the charges that have been brought forward.