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you can't. my response at that point would have been are you kidding me followed by a tantrum, but jojo was calm and polite. that is why i'm not a spelling bee champion and one of those kids will be asked tomorrow. the fact that this spelling bee is one of our national past times, the fact that this is happening when the biggest story in the world today is the corruption and terribleness of most countries's national past time, the scripps spelling bee arriving today in the midst of today's terrible corruption news is honestly relief and it is the best thing in the world today. go spelling bee kids. that does it for us tonight. now it's time for the last word with lawrence o'donnell. >> g-h-a-n-k-s, rachel. that's all i've got.. that's the best i can do. >> okay. pretty much as far as i can get. thank you. >> thank you. >> today, rick santorum announced the launch of another
losing vote for sanatorium campaign. tonight we will tell you which republicans have a chance at the nomination and why they will all be attacking rand paul on the way to that nomination. >> i am running for president of the united states. >> the gop candidate officially entering the race. >> dust off your sweater vests. >> today is the day we are going to begin to fight back. >> the only way we get change is when enough people in this country say i'm mad as hell. >> i'm not going to take this any more! >> until there's some real change in this country. that's all i know to do. >> she is [ bleep ] at the end of the american people. >> this takes guts. >> isis is stronger because of the hawks in our party. >> rand paul is trying to separate himself. >> the only major republican candidate taking on the nsa. >> this is a debate about whether or not a warrant with a single name -- >> i am so over this! >> we are issuing a red card.
>> an indictment that has rocked the world's most popular sport -- >> used their positions of trust to solicit bribes in exchange for the commercial rights to their soccer tournaments. >> and we are to be men, a nonprofit of -- >> a nonprofit with over $1 billion in the bank. >> yeah but this is an -- >> when you is so big you have to check it for swimming cartoon ducks, you may not be a nonprofit any more. >> and now there are seven. in cabot, pennsylvania rick santorum became the seventh republican to officially announce his candidacy for president of the united states. >> working families don't need another president tied to big government or big money. and today is the day.
today is the day we are going to begin to fight back. i am proud to stand here among you and for you, the american workers who have sacrificed so much to announce that i am running for president of the united states. >> today, hillary clinton returned to south carolina where her last candidacy for president was crushed by then senator barack obama in the south carolina president of 2008. she warned voters about the kind of republican populist rhetoric that rick santorum is now using. >> today, too many politicians who want to return to the same failed top down economics are mouthing the words middle class. but this is something you have to believe in and something you have to be ready to fight for.
>> and as usual, no one sounds more ready to fight that fight than the most popular democrat who is not running for president. >> the only way we get change is when enough people in this country say, i'm mad as hell and i'm fed up and i'm not going to do this any more. you are fought going to go back and represent me in washington, d.c. if you are not willing to pass a meaningful infrastructure bill. if you are not willing to refinance student interest rates, if you are not taking billions of dollars of profits off the backs of kids who cannot otherwise afford to go to college, if you don't say you're going to fund the nia and niss because that is our future. >> joining us now, joy reid who is in south carolina following hillary clinton, annie carta, following hillary clinton and richard wolf executive editor
msnbc.com. joy reid, it was a return to one of the tough spots on the campaign trail for hillary clinton today. how does she do that? >> i'll tell you, lawrence she was received very well in the room of about 200 democratic activists who are doing this day in blue. also to emphasize the party from -- >> i remember when i was a practicing lawyer back in little rock database. >> i thought she did pretty well. >> let's take a look at the announced candidates now in the republican field. jeb bush rick perry, rand paul rick santorum, lindsey graham scott walker john kasich chris
christie richard wolf you cannot believe that every one of those names in the not yet announced column is going to jump over into the announced column. are we really going to have a pataki a jindal candidacy for presidency? >> a situation where each and every one of those think this is a republican year and if these other people are running, why on earth shouldn't they too? that kind of dilution is what is rampant through the republican field right now which is to say look we have a great bench. we have no star players. why can't i be the star player. that kind of mind-set is going to be each and every one of them. rick santorum can do it i can do it too. >> annie, do we have john edwards and joe biden to blame for this in that they ran presidential campaigns that ended up getting the vice presidential nomination?
>> that's a good question. i think it is the more the merrier here that they all have a chance here. i can see they all have a -- here. the last time around there was a lot of republican candidates and no one seemed very serious. here, it seems like a deep bench. you can kind of mark out a way where everyone would be a big challenge to hillary clinton. this week it look like marco rubio is her biggest fear. jeb bush is a huge fear for her. walker would be a big fear for her. as long as they can all see a path for themselves why would you not? once it's in your head and you're the kind of person who can envision being the president, i don't know how you hold back from that. >> well if they can all see the path, and richard is right, there's a lot of dilution out there. i think there's four people there who have a chance at this nomination. i think it's bush walker kasich and rubio. joy reid does that sound about
right to you or do you think there's a larger set of possibilities here? >> yeah i agree with you, lawrence. i think it is a very narrow and very small group of this 18 19 or 23 or however many are jumping in. the thing is you still have to win primaries. who can win two out of three in eye with, new hampshire and cycle can is. how could put together enough delegates. i'm not sure how this plays and who will have the money to go the distance. there are a lot of candidates that you mentioned that have a multi millionaire. marco rubio has the money that he can go the distance he could stay in. scott walker has his base, whether it's the bradley foundation type money, that could keep him in. jeb bush has his fortune he has raised with his vast florida donors. i think if you have at least one
billionaire that could keep them going long enough to last through the florida primary or get to super tuesday, they're viable. there are others like ted cruz who i think are pure show and there's not really a path i can see to them winning one, two or three primaries. i think the realistic chances, that list you gave looks pretty good. i would still say there's an outside chance at least getting into the debate that you will see rand paul get an interest in the party. i don't think he has a shot at the nomination at all. but i think he keeps the debates interesting. i'm glad he thinks he'll get that far. but people like pataki and some of these others i just honestly don't see it. >> it looks like one of these crowded fields but that's like the starting gate at the kentucky derby where we all know not all of them have a chance. there's usually two, three, four that are in it. do you have do you see it that way or do you see it that there might be six or seven of these people have a chance? >> i think you're being generous
in saying there are four. >> i'm always trying to be generous. >> that's very kind of you. >> i think what you underestimate in that end game analysis is looking at someone like rick santorum and really underestimating how potent a challenger he is. he's never going to be nom knee but a potent campaigner. who is he going to take out? who is rand paul going to take out? who is ted cruz going to take out? that's where you have the last man standing strategy which is a potential impact for a handful of these characters where they're not too conservative and they're not way out of line with the mainstream of the republican party. who is going to take out these various candidates and who is the last one standing when you've gone through super tuesday and you're down to the last vote counts? i think that's very very hard to game out at this point. >> annie, the last cycle we saw these temporary and weird
infatuations among republican voters you know with these candidates that didn't have a chance. they were suddenly floating up toward the top of the polls. ben carson looks like one of those candidates now who comes up towards the top of some of these polls. and it's pretty hard to predict how that cycle of infatuation is going to work. >> it is. i mean i think each one of them, some will get a bounce from their announcements. sanatorium tor santorum got a bounce today. we don't know. but one thing about a candidate like santorum who is in the news today, he's using a different strategy from last time talking about being a champion of the middle class. a lot of them are doing this. as the republicans are now talking about income inequality and we'll see if that is something that can carry them that can give them a different path than the last time for the ones who have run before. >> yeah.
santorum is in favor of an increase in the minimum wage talking about raising it 50 cents an hour three years in a row. joy, it's really kind of fascinating to see an item like that moving over into a republican candidacy. and then he does a lot of rhetoric there today about working americans and why they so desperately need a flat tax to get them into a -- an economic growth curve. but he's really trying to co-op some of the phrasing of populist campaigning. >> yeah. and you know what? it's interesting that you mentioned santorum. if you want to expand your list and put in a fifth person santorum would not be a bad choice. you need somebody who is a religious conservative so he checks that box. i think a lot of people forget that rick santorum gave mitt romney a good run for his money in 2012. he came very close to taking him down. mitt romney survived it mainly
because he had the finance, he had 2 money to outlast him. but the money he was running on the last time had to do with taking this more populist tact. if you're talking about raising the minimum wage to see 8.25 an hour, that's not going to change the lives of the poverty in america. i think rick santorum will get opposition and will stir up the rand paul wing. so the libertarians it will give them something to debate and i think that's good for him. it keeps him relevant. i just think, again, i look at these candidates and i ask myself who can put together two of those first three. and even if you name those five, it's very difficult to see without a real lot of money and a really big poobah financing them in a ad campaign who could do the two or three. but santorum is not a bad person
to add to your list. >> one thing about santorum coming in and talking about income inequality this time around, i think the posture is appealing to a sense of powerlessness. and to think this is what they're all doing, walker even in taking on the unions is kind of the unions are the power and he's fighting for the every day american. they're all -- whatever the big power is they're all taking a posture to be there for the everyday american, the regular american, whatever you want to call it and it's an appeal that could work better for americans this time coming off the democratic president and they can say you had president obama for eight years and they're still appealing to this powerlessness. whether or not it's enough to make a difference to the middle class americans, that depends on what positions they're rolling out. but i think they're appealing to this feeling and they're all doing it in a different way. annie carney thank you very much for joining us tonight. >> thank you. coming up rand paul
launches another attack on his own party. blaming republicans like john mccain and lindsey graham president george w. bush for the rise of the islamic state. and who knew that the attorney general of the united states is a patriots fan? why else would she create the biggest sports scandal in the world by indicting those guys who run that international soccer league? this is all about getting the heat off tom brady. u.s. attorney general loretta lynch and that fascinating indictment is coming up. so cvs health is creating industry-leading programs and tools that help people stay on medicines as their doctors prescribed. it could help save tens of thousands of lives every year. and that would be something worth shouting about. cvs health, because health is everything. it's part adrenaline and part adventure.
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there is no doubt that rand paul will be the candidate to watch on the republican presidential debate stage and is there is no doubt rand paul will be the most attacked on the republican debate stage. he proved that once again this morning on this network on ""morning joe." >> a lot of people are trapped inside the beltway and they think war is always the answer. but i'm asking some difficult questions of republicans. do you think the invasion of iraq made it more stable or us
more safe? we now have isis to contend with. isis grew stronger because of the hawks in our party would gave arms indiscriminantly and move of those arms were picked up by isis. these hawks would have made isis's job easier. everything they've talked about in foreign policy they've been wrong about for 20 years and yet they have somehow the gal to keep saying and pointing figures otherwise. >> isis is all over libya because -- in my party loved headquarter canillary clinton in libya. >> here is rick santorum's reaction to that. >> i would expect to hear that from maybe bernie sanders. i don't expect to hear that from someone running for the republican nomination. >> and this time, rick santorum was right. >> we are here today because of the disastrous blunder of the
bush/cheney era which got us into this war in iraq in the first place which then developed into the can of worms that we're trying to deal with right now. >> we're joined now by steve, an msnbc editor. steve, it sounds like we have a ticket, rand paul and bernie sanders. >> there you go. rand paul to make something interesting is he's reaching the richard nixon/henry kissinger ring and saying there are costs and benefits in the things the united states does. we should be realistic about them, we should take account of them. that's what nixonian practicalitity and foreign policy was about. it was an interesting subtle purge, if you will of neoconservative thinking in the republican party which is what rand paul is trying to get going. >> and joy reid this clearly -- i mean he is already a marked man on that debate stage, but this kind of talk saying isis exists and grew stronger because
of the hawks in our party? i mean imagine that line on the debate stage. we've seen candidates get booed on those republican debate edges. this would be one of them, it sounds like. >> this is not a growth strategy for a republican candidate for president, but its has the -- of being true. the reality is everyone who has looked at the foreign policy of the bush administration is clear on the fact that it was, a, the worst foreign policy decision and disaster in modern american history and that it produced isis. isis grew up in the prison camps we were running in prisons in iraq. that's just fact. and i think the interesting thing that rand paul does is he makes that wedge between the neo cons in the party. that's marco rubio, lindsey graham, even though he's not viability, it makes them dig deeper intony row conservativism which is deadly in the general elections. most americans are there. most americans get that this was
a disaster and don't want to wrap their arms around iraq let alone send more troops into iraq and syria. so i think he's very beneficial to the debate rand paul but yeah, he's a marked man, for sure, as soon as he says something like that in his party. >> now, the party line is of course, that president obama created the islamic state. we have a sample of that party line. let's listen to that. >> when you look at the problems confronting this country around the world and you look at isis for example, isis was created by barack obama. >> when it comes to blaming people about iraq the person i blame is barack obama, not george w. bush. >> we could have kept the troops in. he could have kept the troops in. it was a decision made based on a campaign promise. i think we're now paying a price for it. >> understand why the president has not put in place a military strategy to defeat isis. if we wanted to defeat them
militarily, we could do it. here is why heoesn't want to to upset iran. >> richard wolf who is going to win this two created the islamic state debate? >> well i actually think the facts on the ground are going to win this one. one of the complicated things about a presidential campaign is it runs for so long that you start out with these applause lines, and this is true of senator barack obama, as well and then things change. and the question for voters and for journalists is to see, do these candidates change with them? and most of them don't. they stick with our applause lines. they're not much beyond those talking points. i'll never forget the conversation with a very senior bush administration official back in 2006 when this official told me, you know it's only now -- and this was three years after the start of the war. he said it's only now that the president is really beginning to understand what the rise of the shia really means. and it was -- it was so appallingly laughably,
horrifically factual that you had to look back and say, well how can we afford to have presidents who are learning on the job? the problem with this republican field, with these talking points, is they literally don't know what they're talking about when it comes to this region. if they think there's a military solution, they're not talking to anyone who knows anything and i suspect they're talking to a communications expert who think they can land a good punch on a debate stage. can they adapt to the fact as they change through the campaign? that's going to be one of the first tests. >> steve, we haven't heard from hillary clinton on this issue with this kind of specificity.. we were looking for something from her today. and we have to reach back over a -- just about a year ago to an interview she did with the atlantic with -- and she was asked, would we be in this position now if we had done more three years ago to help build up a syrian opposition? she began her answer by saying well, i don't know the answer to
that. and she went on to say i don't know the failure to help build up a force were islamist, secularist, she went on and on in detail but she didn't have a sharp campaign answer ready to go on that. and it seems like the question is going to come to her in some form that was there an american policy that created in effect or fueled the islamic state? >> well there are proxies for hillary clinton and ann marie slaughters and others who articulated the answers that there was a moment in time david petraeus has said this as well, that if the united states had gone in and intervened and armed the right group of the mod rag rat imposition it might have been a tilting effect in syria. i happen to disagree with that view. i think that people forget that syria is basically a civil war on top of which there is a
proximate yeay war of great countries competing. it's much more complex than what we're hearing. but i think that is where hillary clinton will eventually go when there is less resistance to running counter to an incumbent president under who she served. that said, i think the broader issue is that her votes in the senate tended to be hawkish, tended to give authorities quite openly on the iraq war but also with joe lieberman led solution that had to do with iran. and some people would say that the breadth of those resolutions at that time was something that raises a lot of concerns about hillary clinton's point, which you see many other people chris christie and others are engaged in pentagon hugging right now. they want to establish their credentials saying we're with the military we're with the pentagon. we're not trying to think deeply about what republicans got right and wrong like what rand paul is trying to do. >> thank you all for joining us tonight. >> thank you. >> thank you. coming up loretta lynch takes on the world.
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she's not about splash she is about substance. >> well she got a worldwide splash today. headlines from the substance of the 47- count indictment that attorney general loretta lynch brought against nine officials in the organization that runs the world cup. one investigator called their scheme the world cup of fraud. the officials are accused of taking over $150 million in bribes and kickbacks over several years. >> these individuals, through these organizations, engaged in bribery to decide who would televise games, where the games would be held and who would run the organization overseeing organized soccer worldwide. they corrupted the business of worldwide soccer to serve their interests and to enrich themselves. this department of justice is determined to end these practices, to root out corruption and to bring wrong doers to justice. >> seven of the accused officials were arrested this morning in zurich at the five
star hotel where the group is meeting before friday's presidential election in which sepp blatter, who has been head of the organization since 1998 has been expected to easily win re-election. following the attorney general lynch's announcements, prosecutors announced their own criminal investigation into how russia and qatar became the winning locations for future world cup competitions. >> 2018 fifa world cup, ladies and gentlemen, will be organized in russia. the winner to organize the 2022 fifa world cup is -- qatar! >> joining us now, paul butler former prosecutor and professor at virginia school of law and george carlisle who covers soccer. jeff, i have to ask you about how this lands in the world of soccer. to me sitting outside here at some distance, i cannot summon
the slightest surprise or shock about this organization which, prior to to today, already seems to be a wildly corrupt operation. >> yeah. the surprise is not so much to do with the charges, but the fact that a law enforcement agency decided to go after fifa. there have been rumblings for years of prescribebribes, of corruption, even before the vote for the 2018 and 2022 world cup, two executive committee members were caught on tape soliciting bribes. so this is not a surprised, but certainly it's an investigation that was a long time coming a long time in the making. i think there's some surprise that it finally came from the united states who certainly is an increasing power in the world of soccer, but certainly not as big as some europeans and south american countries. so full credit to the department of justice and the fbi for uncovering this and, you know it's a complex case.
you know the guys that were indicted went to great lengths to conceal their activities and it was going to be a very complicated case to prosecute, i suspect. but kudos to the fbi and the department of justice for finally, you know trying to bring these guys to justice. >> paul butler describe the jurisdiction on this and how the u.s. government got the -- got into a position where they could make these charges with an organization where most of their business is conducted outside of the united states. >> lawrence the united states federal prosecutor has a lot of power to go after foreign citizens even people who have never lived in this country can be prosecuted by the federal government. so the requirement is fairley loose connections. if you've done business using a u.s. bank even if you use a u.s. internet service provider that's enough for federal jurisdiction. the surprising thing about this
case isn't so much that fifa is corrupt. everybody seems to have known that. it's that loretta lynch chose this as her first big case. normally a u.s. attorney would pick something like national priority like police brutality, some people will ask why she's going after -- in switzerland and not after any of the bad actors on wall street. it is a classic case from a prosecutor who is not known for doing splashy. now with the whole world watching she's going to have to get a conviction. the first step is to extradite these guys to the united states. >> and so far, it seems that the swiss authorities are cooperating on extradition. and, of course this indictment does not in any way suggest that there aren't all sorts of investigations preceding in the justice department, paul but this is the one that ripens today. >> yeah. and, in fact we know that there were four secret guilty pleas.
so she's got four people who have been cooperating. we know at least one of these guys is a snitch. he's been wearing a wire. loretta lynch is a cautious prosecutor. she wouldn't bring a big, splashy case like this unless she was fairley confident she could win. >> paul butler what does -- i'm sorry. jeff carlisle what does this do to the big suspensionble presidential election on friday where, of course, what's his name was going to get re-elected as usual? >> well if you believe what fifa has to say, it's going to be business as usual. the election is going to go ahead. if it does i fully expect sepp blatter to be re-elected. there wasn't a lot of drama surrounding this election. but certainly, logically speaking really the election should be postponed. you've got fifo members who have been arrested. this is just a bad situation all around and a bad look for fifa and this is an organization that
has really resisted attempts for more transparency more accountability, certainly if there was a delay in the election, it would start to placate the critics a little bit to say, hey, we need to take a step back and take a deep breath and try to get to the bottom of this and really you know wait for this election at least for a couple of months and try to hold it then the. >> jeff quickly, did you see anything in today's indictment that impacts the integrity of the outcome of the games, the actual scores in the games? that's the ultimate corruption in sports is somehow affecting the outcome, rigging a game. >> no. i didn't see any indication of match fixing if that's what you're referring to. almost everything in the -- contained in the indictment had to relate to the sale of media rights from organizations such as concacaf conga ball in south america to a third party and
then that third party would go about selling the media rights to broadcasters and sponsors and other entities elsewhere in the world. so there was no match fixing involved. it was all related to the business side of the game. >> and paul butler as to the timing of this indictment there comes a time in some prosecutions some investigations where you don't really have a choice right? as the prosecutor you've got to get these indictments out there because certain situations are ripening that you can no longer keep secret. >> that's right, lawrence. and this comes up all the time with public corruption cases. at the enof the day, this is an international public corruption case. but you have to bring the case when you're ready. if you try to be strategic about it, you're going to be criticized for being political. >> thanks for joining us tonight. >> great to be here. coming up another opponent of vladimir putin suddenly gets very, very sick. and, of course some people suspect that he was poisoned.
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a russian journalist considered an opponent of vladimir putin has been hospitalized after collapsing from a mysterious illness. 33-year-old opposition activist vladimir kara-murza was taken to a hospital tuesday night where he is in reportedly serious by stable condition. his doctor told a russian news agency ta he was suffering from kidney failure, but one of his colleagues told "the guardian" that his illness was suspicious. according to his failure, mr. kara-murza was at a state-owned agency in moscow when he fell ill. he was part of a group that released a report saying 220 russian soldiers have been killed while fighting in southeast ukraine even though vladimir putin has denied any
involvement in the conflict there. that report was originally conceived by another putin opponent who was asass in addition nated in february. satellite images and updates from soldiers in social media to show russian forces are fighting in southeast ukraine. joining us now, adrian karatniski. so someone has stomach problems a 33-year-old man is having kidney issues. and in russia this immediately becomes suspicious and suspicions are trained on vlad vladimir putin. >> well you know i mean there have been a number of assassinations of journalists. there have been a number of poisonings plutonium poisonings and so on. always, the montra is well is it really putin or is it other people who may be acting in defense of him?
i think vladimir putin has a clear way of sending signals to people who support him not to engage in these kinds of activities. and i think at this point the accumulated record of his clandestine operations, whether it's a war in ukraine or whether it's these attempts of killings and assassinations of people have has to be laid at his door. i think there's too many of them. they happen too often for this to be accidental episodic, the work of fringe elements in russia who may be playing their own agendas. >> and in russia itself how much public speculation of this sort are people exposed to? >> very little. i mean there is no tv station that will have a discussion of this. none. there is an internet tv station which has a very limited reach in russia that will be discussing this. there is one radio station that has national reach that will gingerly discuss it because half of the station's shares are
owned by gazprom utility, the state's gas monopoly. putin, over 15 years, has squeezed out the independent press. there are a couple of independent newspapers, a bunch of internet sites and that's about it. >> and does that kind of control work or is there a kind of healthy suspicion out there about putin in the country? >> as long as the economy has been growing, the russian people have kind of fallen in line and putin's ratings have been very high. the -- you know the takeover of crimea, which was done without any bloodshed, is kind of easy gain for russia and a lot of rah-rah patriotism around it. russians have not been looking closely at mr. putin over the last months. a few years ago, his ratings were under 50%. it was wide will i believed that he padded the election not to have a second run off.
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it's not easy for a federal judge to get impeached in the last 25 years. only four judges have been impeached by the house of representatives 37 three were convicted by the senate. another resigned after being impeached by the house. all of them had been indicted for bribery before they were impeached. and now the elected chief justice of the alabama supreme court wants ruth bader ginsburg to be impeached because she officiated at a same-sex wedding. >> we have justices on the supreme court right now who have actually performed same-sex marriages. ginsburg and kagan. in fact, just last weekend, ginsburg performed a same-sex marriage. and when she did, it was pointed out by the "new york times" that she subtly or they said slyly,
which i'll quote what the "new york times" says with a sly look and a special emphasis on the word "constitution," justice ginsburg said she was pronouncings the two men married by the showers invested in her by the constitution of the united states. now she's commenting on the case which is before her and under judicial ethics of federal judges, she can't do that. congress should do something about this. >> congress has a responsibility to act. >> that's right. if congress is going to let these justices disobey the constitution they're sworn to uphold, then congress has a check and a balance. it's called impeachment. >> well he did accurately quote what ruth bader ginsburg said at that wedding. and i raised that with the couple who she married when they appeared on this program last week. this suggests a possible preview to the supreme court decision
basically making this constitutional in 50 states. >> i don't think she was revealing the whole thing to us. i think that would have been a little anti-climactic. >> and yes, that was bill murray sitting with us on the set. joining us now, msnbc supreme court expert tom goldstein. tom, first you have mike huckabee saying we don't have to obey the supreme court. they just write those things. they're just opinions. now we have this. now we have let's impeach, let's impeach. the impeach thing is crazy, never going to happen. we all know that. but there is this momentum coming from the right about the supreme court does not have the authority that people suggest it does. >> yeah. i really think that justice ginsburg and justice kagan aren't sweating bullets over the prospect of impeachment here. but you're right right, there is a bigger issue and that is not
since desegregation have we seen an effort by a state delegitimize the supreme court and saying it doesn't have to follow -- under the constitution. the alabama supreme court has refused to follow an alabama federal court, holding there is a right to same-sex marriage. so if there's something troubling here it is really so far, the attitude of the alabama courts through justice moore. >> it's a very -- this is a peculiar kind of case because its enforcement mechanisms become tricky when you get into the issue of marriage. there are certain things if you defy the supreme court, we can send in people with badges and guns to make it happen. but it's hard to see exactly how you do enforce whatever the supreme court would hold in these cases. >> right. that's the issue, the supreme court really enforces its rulings through its moral authority. and when people try to play games because they don't like the results and say this isn't a legitimate supreme court, the whole issue is called into
question. the supreme court issued a lot of conservative rulings that some judges love and some more liberal ones. we have to follow >> tonight on "all in." >> they corrupted the business of worldwide soccer to serve their interests and enrich themselves. >> the united states takes on the most powerful sports organization in the world. arresting over a dozen men. >> greed that drove them to