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with us since day one, joshua chafee, our senior producer. we love you. for one last time that is all for now. the "ed show" is up next. good evening, americans, welcome to the "ed show." live from miami florida. i'm michael eric dyson in for ed schultz. get get to work. >> tonight, race matters. >> i want to work with the urban league movement to end this injustice once and for all. >> the real test of a candidate's commitment is not whether we come to speak at your national conference as important as that is. it is whether we're still around after the cameras are gone and the votes are counted. >> plus convincing evidence. >> debris found on reunion island thousands of miles from
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the search zone now heading to france. >> will it reveal any clues as to what happened? >> and money, money, money. >> i for one, cannot wait to see who the koch brothers pick. it is exciting. >> looks like the koch brothers' favorite is scott walker. >> presidential candidates were down here in fort lauderdale today making their pitch at the national urban league conference. i was at the event. the theme is save our cities education, jobs and justice. democratic front runner hillary clinton was quick to discuss racial inequality. >> the opportunity gap that america is facing is not just about economic inequality. it is about racial inequality. >> clinton went on to list disturbing statistics about racial inequality in america. >> african americans are nearly three times as likely as whites
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to be denied a mortgage. or how in 2013 the median wealth for white families was more than $134,000. but for african american families, it was just $11,000. a lot of people don't realize that our schools are more segregated today than they were in 1968. >> clinton also addressed voting rights, prison sentencing and disparates in healthcare when it comes to race. vermont senator bernie sanders also spoke today and addressed the heated topic of policing in america. >> across our nation as all of you know and we see almost every day, too many african americans and other minorities finding themselves subjected to a system that treats citizens who have not committed crimes as if they were criminals. a growing number of communities
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throughout this country do not trust the police. and police have become disconnected from the communities they are sworn to protect. when i was mayor of burlington vermont, the largest city in the state, one of the things we did and i believe this very strongly, is we moved towards community policing. community policing means that police are part of the community, not seen a as oppressors in the community. and that is the direction that we have got to move. >> sanders also spoke about the need for sentencing reform. >> we must end the incarceration of non violent young americans who do not pose a serious threat to our society. it is an international embarrassment that we have more people in jail than any other country. it is an obscenity that we
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stigmatize so many young americans with a criminal record for smoking marijuana but oddly enough not one major wall street executive has been prosecuted for causing the near collapse of our entire economy. >> presidential candidate martin o'malley was also at the urban league conference and made clear america has a long way to go when it comes to racial equality. >> we've moved towards more equal just skpis more equal protection under the law but we are not there yet. every headline or video of official abuse injustice and difference killing or murder reminds us of how far we still have to go. every story reminds us that americans of color must endure a constant state of random vulnerability even when they are just driving to work. and all of us must ask how many individuals like sandra bland have been subject to abusive
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arrest when the cameras were not rolling. how many names will we never know? >> martin o'malley wasn't the only one to address racial equality. two republicans were also at the conference today. jeb bush actually had some kind words for president obama. >> when president obama says that quote, for too long we've been blind to the way past injustices continue to shape the present, he is speaking the truth. we should be just as candid about you are a failures in addressing the injustices of a more recent origin. in our cities we have so many people who have never no one anything but poverty. so many young adults with no vision of a life beyond the one they know. as the tragedy to them and a loss to our country buzz every one of those has a god given purpose to live out and god-given talents this world needs. every one of them was also promised at least one big break
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in life in the form of a public school to help them. >> jeb bush also said. >> leaders know there are plenty of tough calls we have to make so we should not be wasting time agonizing over the easy ones. so 14 years ago when the question was whether to keep the confederate flag on the grounds of the florida state capitol i said no and put nit a museum where it belongs. another easy call was reaching out for talent wherever i found it. look, you are not going to get good judgment in government when everybody comes from the same life experience. we increased the number of black floridians serving in t the judiciary by 46%. and during my governorship the state use of minority owned businesses tripled. you can't serve all of the people unless you represent all of the people. and we did it. >> we should point out governor jeb bush brought florida the
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controversial stand your ground law. dr. ben carson spoke today as well. the only african american running for president spoke about creating wealth in the black community. >> we need to start thinking about economics, particularly in our inner cities. you know in the black community in america there is over one trillion dollars worth of assets. more assets than the vast majority of countries in the world. we have to learn to use that appropriately. you have to turn your own dollars over in your own community two or three times before you sent it out. that is how wealth is created. and then you can't take that wealth and flee with it. you have to reach back and pull other people along. and if you do that you have the ability. we have the ability within the black community to do enormous things on our own. >> carson also described his own rise from poverty saying america
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is a place of dreams. get your cell phones out. i want to know what you think. tonight's question: will racial inequality be a major issue in the 2016 presidential race? go to to cast your vote. i'll bring the results later in the in the show. for me nina turner and dr. james peterson. professor, you first. your reaction to jeb bush's remarks on president obama speaking the truth. >> well i think it is nice that he sort of gave little bit of endorsement to president obama. but i think former governor bush's record in the state of florida is not just stand your ground. it is other policies he implemented over the course of his tenure there, i think should be called into question. especially in the context of the political are discourses how we save our cities. when i listen to all of the speeches from presidential
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candidates, very short on specifics how we actually get into cities and save our cities. obviously policing is a big part of that. education is a big part of that. but for example, you know, choice in schools and the charter school movement has been bankrupting some of our public school systems and undermining the, sort of impulse to take to scale good practices and best practices when it comes to public schools. and those policies we've seen governor bush advocate for in the state of florida may not work so well how with e move forward and make progress in the cities. across all the speeches, doc, i felt they were very short on specifics how we save our cities. and that is the directive of the 2015 urban league convention. >> senator n light of what he just indicated about the potential record of the people to come and short on specifics, what do you think about jeb bush's record what he actually did as governor of florida? >> well i'm amenning everything dr. peterson had to say. you know, they spoke the language of the audience they
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were addressing. it was nice to hear governor bush give a shout out to the president but where was he when his party was disrespecting our president, not just because they disagree with issues but they just disrespect the first african american president because he is african american. so they talk the talk. but i want to caution voters especially those who are at the urban league event, to not just listen to what the candidates had to say. we have to speak words into the universe. that is a beautiful thing. but what they say, what have they done? those who have been in elected office before. and what will they do? that we cannot get zeusseduced. we want real policies issues that invest money. governor bush signed that first law. so that is very problematic for the african american community for urban communities when it comes to guns and the relationship with guns. they all talk the talk but are
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they going to walk the walk. >> speaking of walk the walk professor peterson. bernie sanders is struggling with african american voters. whether does he have to do to turn things around? because he seems ideally suited and situated to speak to many of the economic inequalities that prevail. but seems to be a bit more tone deaf when it comes to dealing with issues of race more specifically. >> well he's attempted to make the adjustment in response to what happened to him at the net roots conference a few weeks back. but to be honest with you, doc, the reality here is that all of these candidates seem a little bit tone deaf when it comes to the black lives matter movement. and they have got to understand that that is a very diverse group of young voters who are enthusiastic, politically engaged and they are completely disenchanted with the entire slate of candidates being offered. the reality is that it is not just about race being front and center for some of these activists. it is about intersectionality, really capturing the true
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identity of what america is and being able to put into place policies that acknowledge the diversity and the intersectional identities that populate this country in the century. >> the [inaudible]. >> intersectionality is when you think about the confluence of different subjectivities and identities. so being black and latino. or lgbt and native american. there are so many folks who have multiple identities that have to live and breathe at the same time. one of the challenges for the black lives matter movement is to "say her name" initiative which is getting black women at the forefront. and these candidatings are not very intersectional themselves but they have to be able to speak that language. and like senator turner is saying, they have to walk that walk and show through policies and actions not just rhetoric that they are in support of this young burgeoning movement that
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is really challenging politicals s today. >> to underscore one of the positive contradictions made by senator sanders, senator turner what to you make of bernie sanders comments on mass incarceration. >> oh he got down with the sho 'enough get down. and i want to recommend the yeed readingcrowe. but the focused on one of the stains of this country and that is mass incarceration. so he spoke the truth on that. senator sanders does have a record of fighting for civil rights over his lifetime. what he needs to do and all the candidates need to do is connect what they have done with what they will do. and dr. peterson is right. just saying black lives matter. everybody is saying it but what are you going to do about it. black lives have always
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mattered. we have freedom fighters across the ages that knew black lives matter. sojourner truth. the freedom fighters of the 60s, they understood. we in the african american community get that very clearly. what we need are the candidates who are running for the presidency to understand that and do something about it. >> all right. professor peterson. will the issue of policing be front and center in 2016? when you talk about black lives matter we know the burgeoning movement grew out primarily out of contesting police authority and the degree to which it was viciously deployed against black, gay, lesbian, straight young bodies. >> young people progressives and others are going to make it become front and center. this is an issue that obviously has life and death consequences. and if anyone whose running for president, if you have been paying attention to the news at all, paying attention to the
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organized, sit-ins, die ins. all the actions reforming and abolishing the current criminal justice system. you have to step up yourself. suggests to me the national attention around the issue of criminal justice reform is that every presidential candidate needs that on their platform. if they don't have people in their camp right now who can speak specifically to these issue, provide them data on these issues so they can speak eloquently and forcefully about the kind of reforms we need the place to save people's lives and reform our criminal justice system in way equitable and treats people like they are human beings then they do not need to be running for president of the united states. >> senator turner, stay with us. professor peterson thank you so much for your time tonight. remember to answer tonight's question at we'll have the results after the break. the officer charged with killing an unarmed man during a traffic stop in cincinnati wants his
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cincinnati police officer ray tensing entered court with his hands shackled. >> you understand you have been charged with one count of murder and one count of voluntary manslaughter. >> yes your honor. >> pleading not guilty in the shooting death of samuel dubose an unarmed black motorist pulled over for a missing license plate. bail was set at $1 million. the courtroom erupted. >> ladies and gentlemen. this is a courtroom. >> tensing's body camera captured the deadly encounter. after he doesn't produce his license, tensing asks dubose to take off his seat belt. the officer appears to reach for the door. go ahead and take your seat belt off. seconds later he shoots dubose in the head and appears to fall. a second video released today of the body camera of another officer shows tensing on the ground.
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tensing's attorney says it was self defense! he thought he was going to die. >> the prosecutors office says it is investigating other officers. today two officers one of whom supports his claim that he was dragged were placed on administrative leaf. i sat with dubose' family. >> cold-blooded shot him for no reason at all. i saw it. i saw it with my eyes. >> they remember sam as a peaceful man. >> he loved all his kids and day loved him. they love him so much. >> that was rehema ellis of nbc news. ray tensing was released from jail on thursday evening as his father posted a 10% jail deposit. what is the mood on the ground there? >> well good evening, michael. people here are saying that the indictment of ray tensing is a good first step. but they want to see the follow
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through. they want to see a trial. and many people tell us they want to see conviction. there was a lot of frustration when ray tensing was bailed out of jail. people before including family members have told us they didn't think a million dollars was high enough for the crimes he's charged with. one count of murder one count of voluntary manslaughter. here at the courthouse tonight there will be a rally hosted by black lives matter. a similar event a couple of days ago drew crowd of 3 to 400 people. it was peaceful in keeping with the wishes of the family. >> have law enforcement officials any any further comments about the officers plaszed on leave today? >> they have. they said they will continue to be an paid administrative leave while the internal investigation continues. this is an internal investigation by the department. it is separate from the county case. there's no word on when that will be wrapped up. the prosecutor also announced that a grand jury is ignoring charges of obstruction of
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justice that could have potentially been filed against these two officers. now here is where the statements conflict. you know in the incident report and in some of the body camera video remarks caught on camera, you can hear at least one of the officers appear the support tensing's claim that he had been dragged by dubose's car. the prosecutor says there was some confusion when they drew up that incident report and when it came time to make sworn statements and testimony neither officer said he saw dubose being dragged by the car. >> very convenient. and of course in the sense of their own status there it makes sense for them to revise their statements. what is next for officer tensing? >> well like you mentioned he has made bail. his father posted it last night. he did not return to his home. did not feel it was a safe place. he is due back in court on august 19th.
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that is a routine scheduling hearing for this case and we'll see where things go from here. a lot of people here on the street determined to keep sam dubose's name in headlines just as much as the officer accused in his murder. back to you. >> thank you sarah. i want to bring back senator nina turner former state senator from ohio. what are you hearing from the community since officer tensing has been released on bond? >> well there is a heaviness. there is an unrestless -- a restlessness going on because as reported the community is very concerned about justice prevailing. the indictment certainly is a good start. but people are really concerned because they have seen incidences like this -- situations like this i should say, where police officers have been indicted but they have not necessarily been convicted. so there is a heaviness in the city of cincinnati and a heaviness in the state of ohio and i would dare say a heaviness
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all across the nation. >> very small percentage of police people who are ultimately held legally accountable for the deaths of the civilians in that regard. what do the people of ohio want to hear during this very sensitive time? >> more of the transparency and accountability that is required that we should demand of our law enforcement officers. you know governor kasich put together a task force on police relations of which i am one of the co-chairs and now we have a collaborative. but one of the things we heard from a young man as we traveled the state. he says you talk about the culture of the criminal element but no a lot of team pak about the no-snitch culture among police. speaks to the officers on the scene and what they said they witnessed and didn't witness and whether or not they were agreeing with officer tinsing
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even though they were not there. we need good police officers to stand up and say we will fight against any law enforcement officer that is not honoring the badge and the oath of office that we have taken. and that communities all across this country, but particularly the african american community, there is a need to rebuild that divide. the bridge. we've got to bridge the gap between that trust that has been lost. and none of this is in the figment of the imagination of african americans. you were in 2009 when professor gates was arrested on his own porch. you know where can african american people go to get justice? sandra bland in her own car. she couldn't spoke her cigarette. and now we have mr. dubose in a situation where he didn't have a front license plate and then he's shot in the head. there is something eerily wrong with that in the united states of america. >> no question there is an interesting parallel of course between the no-snitch law on the
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streets and the kind of thin or thick blue line that separates police people from civilians. in 2001 civil unrest followed the delt of an unarmed black man at the hands of police if you remember. how has the death of 19-year-old timothy thomas informed how the shooting has been handled so far? >> cincinnati has certainly grown. they created a collaborative behind what happened in 2001. and i am really proud of what the cincinnati has done. the city -- the city police. now there is a difference between the university of cincinnati police department and the city of cincinnati's. but i think that every law enforcement agency across the country can take a page out of that book. because it really is about not only the training. i heard the chief of police in cincinnati say training is one thing. but what is your makeup? what is your mentality? how do you police? do you understand and believe in the people that you are policing? or do you see them as the other?
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this is really about cultivating strong relationships between the police and the community. and i've got to tell you something, doc. this didn't just start. and police are really a reflection of what is going on in america that while we're seeing this play out at the hands of law enforcement, we know that racism particularly institutional racism is in the dna of this country. and we all have a collective responsibility to do something about it. >> senator turner, thank you so much for joining us here today. plane wreckage now conformed to be from a boeing 777 could be the key to solving the mystery of the missing malaysia airlines flight. >> plus two mothers arrested after leaving their toddlers locked in cars during the hottest weeks of the year. that is had
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. the airplane part is being sent to france to be analyzed. it will take at least another day to learn new information. the wing fragment is expected to arrive in france on saturday morning. nbc's bill neely has the latest. >> this is the rocky beach where the piece of aircraft debris was found and where they are still searching for more. looking for any evidence any clues that that might point to where this debris came from. >> this is the man who found the debris. >> johnny has just found this bottle. and the reason it is interesting is it is from indonesia. no indonesian products are sold
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on this island. he believes it is possible to have come across the ocean from indonesia. they are searching this coastline not only by land but also by air. that helicopter scouring the coastline looking for more debris. and out at sea there are fishing boats and a coast guard ship looking for anything that might have come from an aircraft. >> for the families of those on board mh-370 the discovery of the debris here brings mixed emotions. some hope it will bring closure. others fear it is the end of their last hope. those on the island here simply hope that they can do more to help solve this enduring mystery. >> for more let me bring in tom costello an nbc news correspondent. >> listen, right now this piece, this flaperon that we've been talking about the last couple of
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day, the piece that was sitting on the island there in reunion is on its way to france expected to a alive in france today. this is one of the best in the world. french investigators will get a chance to look at this piece and in addition boeing is planning to send a team to assist looking at the piece. as nbc news has already reported most investigators have already reported this is from a boeing triple 7. and almost certainly from mh-370. they are going to be looking at the dents on the metal, any indication whether what type of crash this particular piece may have experienced. in other words it was part of a wing. but did the wing experience a
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violent fast high speed approach and crash or a lower speed event. also what about how it was ripped from the rest of the wing? is there anything they can tell from that. signs of fire scorch mark disclosive residue. all of that will be on there. and you see the barnacles hanging off. they are going to be looking at that to see if the marine biology tells them anything about the origins of where this might have begun its journey. can they say it started over in the eastern indian ocean as suspected and made its way all around the ocean basin until it arrived off the coast of reunion near madagascar. they have a lot of work ahead of them. but here is the deal. it almost doesn't matter as much right now what they can get off of this particular wing flaperon because they are not going to get a lot. they know that. and they probably won't get enough to tell them what was the journey that it took through the indion ocean.
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investigators are missing the critical components. they are missing the black box, the cockpit voice recorder, the flight data recorder and really the data recorder tells the tale. and that is of course at the bottom of the ocean we believe. two to three miles down. so until they can find the bulk of the wreckage and then maybe using submersibles and a submarine claw through the krekage and find that black box we were probably not going to know why flight 370 disappeared and where the final resting place is. this is a long process. the australians still believe that 370 probably lies 1200 miles or so off the australian coast in the indian ocean and they are working hard to locate it. back to you. >> tom costello. thank you for that comprehensive report. still to come why wisconsin governor scott walker could ruin
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blistering temperatures ruled july. parents have been charged with child endangerment and abuse for leaving children unattended in hot cars. nbc mark barger has the report. >> oh god. i can't believe i did that. >> a distraught mother now facing child abuse charges after bystanders noticed her one-year-old daughter alone on tuesday. >> i said what was that sound? >> police rescued the child. new jersey authorities saved another thursday. >> she's soaking wet. >> from a hot car in a hacken sack parking lot. >> to my horror i realized peyton was still many her car seat. >> she died after being left all day while he was at work in florida. >> how did i forget my child? >> he spoke today in maryland.
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inertials s officials pointed out when it's just 77 degrees outside, temperatures inside the car can reach lethal levels in just ten minutes. simply cracking the windows is not enough. national nationally many children have died this year. 31 parished last year. >> we have our responsibility. look before you lock. but this you see a child in a car you must act. >> recent actions by police and bystanders have kept several incidents from becoming tragedies. >> joining me now is dr. ronny whitfield. doc, right now two women are facing child abuse and endangerment charges for leaving children in hot cars. do you think that is the right course of action? >> 50% of children that are left in their cars are done by parent -- or greater are left by parent who is don't normally do it. but in these cases it seems they
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knew what they were doing. i think the punishment fits the crime. they don't have the ability to metabolize or use the heat as an adult does. and in a short period of time they can die. heatstroke core temperatures can get as high as 104 and lead to death. so you can't take a chance leaving the young people in the vehicles. >> do you think they really understand that? it seems common sense to us of course. but, you know, people think well i'll dash in here a little bit and then come right back. how do we calibrate the legal culpability of those who make decisions in the rush of the moment that end up, you know, can costing the lives of their children? >> by what we're doing today, education and awareness. we have to let people know these young people can get sick quick and early. under no circumstances is it okay to leave a child in the car
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unattended. if you see a child in the car you have to act. bust a wind shield and get them out but you have to get them out. there's no time where it is okay to leave a chimed in thechild in the car unattended. if you have to do things try to drive through but under no circumstances should you leave a child in a car unattended. >> how long can a child last in these dangerously hot cars? >> it depends on the child. but it is not very long. and, you know, say the child has a preexisting illness. if the cheeld is obese. if they are taking antihistamines or on a medication that causes them to die you reese or urinate. at no time can a child be left in a vehicle unattended. a new article i change you do read doc written in washington post in 2010 "misremembering." parents who have routine things they do may have that day they can to things not routine and
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can forget the child in the car. and so we have to educate the parents about taking care of their children. but a very interesting article. many people say oh i can't believe that would happen. but in 50% of the cases these parents unknowingly did it and were very regretful. there are 11% of individuals that do make the quick dash to pick something up and come back to find their children in trouble. so again at no time is this acceptable. >> so you -- did i hear you correctly? you said that if you see a child in a car, you should break the window and pull that child out? >> you have to act. if you called 911 and they are not getting there in time and that child is in distress you have to act. i personal would bust the window on the opposite side and get the child out of the vehicle. if that is the situation and 911 can't get there in time. that child could die. i you would have to act and deal with the repercussions later. >> still ahead, why one
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welcome back. it's payday for scott walker super pac. they just received $5 million from the billionaire rickets family. joe rick etts started his own super pac in 2010 ironically called ending spending. walker's only courting big donors for the presidential campaign. a democrat who served with walker in the wisconsin legislature said that the governor's ideology moves like a weather vane. it all depends on who is bankrolling him. some of the deepest pockets belong to charles and david koch. they're longstanding fans of walker. david koch alluded to walker's inevitability as the nominee and a pledge of support. the latest quinnipiac poll shows walker's strategy is paying off. he edged out jeb bush for the second place spot. donald trump still leads the pack with 20%. for more let me bring in john
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nichols, washington correspondent for the nation magazine. brother john, how important are these big money donors to walker? >> they're definitional my friend. without those big money donors scott walker would still be an obscure wisconsin legislator. he had spent the better part of two decades courting the wealthiest people in america directly and also as a member of the american legislative exchange council and other groups that put him in contact with billion nars andaires and with corporate interests. >> walker was criticized for taking a hard stance to please iowa crowds. he told voters in the hawkeye state he supported government mandates on ethanal gasoline through the renewable standard. the koch displeasure with that stance. is walker equipped to handle conflict with wealthy backers like the koch brothers? >> of course he is.
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he will say what he needs to say to get elected. then once in office he'll deliver for the wealthy special interests. they know that. they're not stupid. they don't mind if he says some things that, quote, unquote, upset them because at the end of the day, if you look at his track record he has delivered again and again and again. they don't have many worries about scott walker. >> right. so what has the "ed show" meant for middle class americans over the last six years? >> i want to tell you something, my friend. this show has been an essential part of the struggle of working americans to have their voices heard. and if this show wasn't around i think some fundamental issues like trade policy would not have been explored as deeply as they needed to be explored but more importantly, as a wisconsinite, i have to say that when the uprising came against scott walker and when some very brave teachers and farmers and snow
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plow drivers and nurses went out in the middle of the winter to stand up for workers' rights ed schultz came and stood with them. that was a pretty darn important thing. perhaps one of the most important moments i've seen in american media. >> he's a big fellow with an even bigger heart. he's given his life and devoted commitment to the causes of working class and middle class people. that's something that's pretty extraordinary in any class but especially among some of those talking heads out there. >> and i also want to say something, if i can, about ed's courage. he has had the courage over the years to do things that were hard. most hosts like to be steady on what they've said. they don't change. they don't acknowledge that they are imperfect, but ed schultz, on the issue of the keystone pipeline was a supporter of keystone and then via his viewers, his listeners and his
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guests he began to evolve on the issue to recognize the environmental concerns that were in play but also the reality that keystone didn't deliver for workers in the way that some people had said it would. and he made a fundamental change there and so this guy who has stood up for workers has also stood up for the environment. he stood up on climate change. the fact of the matter is you don't find many people like that in media. you don't find many shows like this. this is a precious show that has meant a tremendous amount to an awful lot of working people and just an awful lot of americans for whom there aren't a lot of voice, there aren't a lot of vehicles by which their concerns, their fears and their growth as human beings can be replekted in a show. >> well stated. john nichols, thanks for your time tonight. >> thank you for having me on. that's the last "ed show."
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please follow my brother ed at we got good night. tonight on "politics nation," clinton versus bush. she slams him for hypocrisy on his policies for the poor. plus inside the mind of donald trump. i'll talk to a man who has read every single book trump ever wrote and lived to tell the tale. and big news from the grand jury about the other officers involved in that body cam murder case. did they do anything wrong? welcome to "politics nation." we begin tonight with the fight for a