>> i don't think anybody really cares which new jersey singer the state's governor likes more. i do think people would care that he would pick that as something to lie about overtly. governor christie, in a blind taste test, you and your wife >> back to machine gun bacon. would we have machine gun bacon in this campaign, were it not for donald trump turning all those guys into now tv reality stars? >> i want to say yes. i want to say that the arc of the moral universe bends toward machine gun bacon and we just get there by 2016, but it's a counter factual. i don't know. >> he's makin' them do crazy things. >> that's true. >> thanks rachel. if this week's presidential debate is anything like this week's sunday political talk shows, donald trump is going to have a very easy time.

>> who's in and who's out, with three days to go until the first republican debate. the man who tops the leader board is trying to lower expectations. >> i've never debated before. i'm not a debater. >> i'm not a debater. i've never been on a stage debating. that's all these guys do is debate. i'm not a debater, and they are. we'll see what happens. who knows. >> trump is leading the pack. >> everybody loves me. >> that means we'd see donald trump right in the center, surrounded by scott walker and jeb bush to his left and right. >> i think to be on the stage thursday night is an important first step. >> only the candidates who rank highest in an average of the five most recent national polls will qualify for the debate. >> we'll see what happens. i'd like to be there. we'll just have to wait and see how all these polls work out. >> you're right on the cut line. how important is that for you at 5:00 or 9:00 on thursday? >> this is a long game for us. i'm not really worried about

what's happening in august. >> 14 presidential hopefuls are going to try to woo the crowd tonight. >> ronald reagan and tip o'neill saved social security by working to the, after they had a drink. maybe we need to drink more in washington. >> tomorrow the lineup of ten candidates for the first televised republican presidential debate will be decided on the basis of five recent national polls. fox news has not disclose the which five recent national polls they will use to determine that lineup. three new national polls today show donald trump leading the republican field. the new nbc news wall street journal poll released tonight with a margin of error of 6.2% shows donald trump at 19, scott walker at 15, the ted cruz at 9, mike huckabee, 6.

and a new fox news poll tonight with a margin of error at 4% shows donald trump at 26, scott walker 15, ted cruz and mike huckabee tied at 6, marco rubio tied at 5%. 3% seems to be the cut-off for the first ten in this lineup. and a new monmouth poll with a margin of error at 4.8% shows donald trump at 26%. and john kasich squeezing in there. most participated in a candidates forum in new hampshire tonight, but not front runner donald trump. the union leader was a sponsor of the forum. and today the executive editor of that newspaper explained why donald trump refused to attend.

>> donald trump sent a letter to the publisher. he was upset there was a tongue-in-cheek editorial in the union leader, basically calling donald trump a hero. it was sarcastic and came after donald trump said john mccain was not a war hero. so mr. trump sent a letter to the publisher signed donald, saying that he's a businessman, and he's got a billion dollars worth of money, and his instinct, he built this business using his instinct. and that his instinct tells him he's not going to get the endorsement from joe mcquade, so he's out. >> joining us now, joy reid and robert costa. howard dean, as new hampshire's neighboring governor, you've been there forever. what is the importance of "the

union leader" in this republican primary? >> i think the union leader matters some. >> it always has. but can trump make it irrelevant? >> he might. in a race with ten candidates, many of whom are unknown, it helps if they endorse one of the ten candidates that nobody's ever heard of. for somebody like jeb bush or donald trump, it probably doesn't make any difference is my guess. >> sunday shows were easy work for donald trump this weekend because there's that thing where he won't necessarily accept the frame of a question or answer a question the within any sort of limited time. so you watch the host trying to corral him. but too many of the questions were about donald, what do you think of the polls instead of anything actually substantive. but jonathan karl asked a very good question that produced a

truly shocking answer, and i want to play that now. >> so let me ask you about something you treated last year. you said of barack obama, sadly, because president obama has done such a poor job as president you won't see another black president for generations. what did you mean by that? i understand your critique, but why do you say that means we won't see another black president for generations? >> because i think that he has set a very poor standard. i think he has set a very low bar, and i think it's a shame for the african-american people. and, by the way, he has done nothing for african-americans. you look at what's gone on with their income levels. you look at what's gone on with their youth, i thought that he would be a great cheerleader for this country. i thought he'd do a fabulous job for the african-american citizens of this country. he has done nothing. they are worse now than just about ever.

>> joy reid? >> well, you know, first of all, i'm sure ha black america appreciates donald trump caring so much about what happens to the african-american community, but read in his answer if you listen to it is the premise that explains donald trump. what donald trump thinks of being a good african-american president is being a cheerleader for this country and that he has not ingratiated himself with the kind of people that barack obama ought to show his birth certificate with some humility. maybe he should have been more differential toward the people who have lots of money like trump, more ingratiating to immigrants. this idea that black politicians err when they step out of what someone like donald trump believes their box is. what he did is to govern and

succeed and to constantly defeat republicans. that enrages the kind of people who like donald trump. >> robert costa, jonathan karl wrestled with him. but as we saw in all his answers on sunday, he just kept running, and used up the clock and jonathan karl moved on to another subject, so he never got the follow up in there, the kind of logic of logical question, which is, so, if an african-american president does what you think is a bad job, america won't elect another african-american president. what about a white president doing a bad job, and why would america ever elect a white president after, say, richard nixon or others who have been judged by significant portions of the population to have done a bad job? >> it's a great followup. i'm sure if he comes on the show you can ask him that. the fascinating thing is race. they don't want to be talking

about race on the year of charleston, unrest across the country. immigration, most of the presidential contenders want to shy away from that issue if it's not talking about border security. trump, he welcomes these discussions. ask him a question, he'll give you a confident answer and ramble on. >> and howard dean, he will confidently march straight into a racist answer and plays with the confidence that he will outmaneuver the followup question. he will push this past the point where he knows jonathan karl's going to go to another agenda item, and by the way, robert, he does have an open invitation to be on this program, where he mows he'll get followup questions, and it's late at night for him, so i'm not expecting him anytime soon. >> the focus groups that were done and that we talked about on "morning joe", last week, they're just extraordinary. this guy's got staying power. >> the focus of trump supporters, we have to remember, one fourth of republican voters

is one fourth of one third of the voters. this is a tiny group. >> the point i'm trying to make though, is he could actually make the nomination. i never thought i'd say that, ever. i think this guy's a buffoon. but if you look at the supporters that he has, they are, the quote that just blew me away was somebody saying, he's one of us. this guy's billion dollars, he flies around on a plane, this guy's win of us. he's not going to be president, but i actually think that i underestimated his staying power with that wing of the republican party, which is incredibly resentful, the exact wing that all the washington republicans are desperately trying to put back in the box so they can win a national election, especially with young people. >> if you think about it, if we didn't see the trump phenomenon coming, it's only because we haven't been paying attention to who the republican base is, as to who in the beltway we want the republicans to be. we want them to be the people who revere john mccain.

never to put sarah palin one heartbeat away from the button. those are the same people, ben carson has been an august personage in the black community for decades. he's been a renowned neurosurgeon for decades. he only became a viable republican politician when he slagged president obama to his face at a prayer breakfast, when he became that nasty version of ben carson. he was great. now he's third place in man eve these polls. if you look at what the base has wanted, it hasn't changed a lot. it's sarah palin, and donald trump is just a male version. off with his head. >> this debate is going to be the test for trump. they see the trump from the trump tower announcement. the one who use the word rapist when talking about immigrants, but when you check in with his advisers, they say watch for him

to maybe hold back, to say to the republican primary base, i am electable. the base is paying attention to this debate. is trump for real? or is this a summer fling? they're going to look for the cue, especially with his demeanor. >> let's remember with summer flings he still hasn't reached the herman cain level in the polls. it's the "new york times" headline today jeb bush's camp sees an upside to donald trump surge in the gop. i just want to read this line. privately, mr. bush's top strategists who have been fixated on halting mr. walker believe that mr. trump is nothing short of a god send. he is drawing support from voters, blue collar, less educated who are essential to mr. walker's candidacy. so there's the establishment candidate bush saying thank god, literally, that trump is in the

race to protect bush. >> i think it helps bush more than that. it allows somebody in the republican party to look like a grownup and presidential. somebody that's not going to be scott walker and not marco rubio. >> frying bacon and stuff. >> look, this started in 1968 when nixon made this southern strategy. this has been going on, and the republican, smart republican people know with the new generation, the new demographics of america, they cannot win the presidency. jeb bush knows that. i agree with his advisers. i think not only does he push all the oxygen out of the air for people like scott walker. but he also makes jeb bush look presidential. and that's important. >> robert, are you going to finish your thought after the break. we're going to come back with more on this. coming up, republican candidates for president are actually asked some specific policy questions in new hampshire in front of a live audience. and later, a dramatic scene of

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new york to donald trump's office, he is sitting in that chair surrounding by the crimson's editorial board, but a close reading of the absurd editorial and a close look at the neckties, most of those editors are wearing, reveals that this is yet another prank by the harvard lampoon against the crimson, pranks that they have been carrying out for over 100 years now. it turns out that members of the lampoon stole the president's chair which is held down by chains in the crimson's office in order to prevent the lampoon from stealing it yet again. once trump realized they had been duped by the oldest humor magazine in the country, trump's lawyer did his oldest routine with the lampoon, and today the trump campaign released a statement saying the students

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>> absolutely they should not fund planned parenthood. >> planned parenthood has a horrific disregard for basic human life. and i think they should be defunded. >> we had to be here to vote to defund planned parenthood and i hope very much that we see republican leadership actually lead the fight to get it done and we stop funding planned parenthood. >> that was the easiest question for the candidates' forum in new hampshire tonight. joining us now is annie linsky, a the reporter for the boston globe. annie, that forum was very peculiar. >> the audience certainly seeped to be enjoying parts of it, but from the listeners at home it was awkward. particularly the these candidates are getting up,

shuffling off the stage, shuffling back on the stage. and then the candidates in the first row kind of talking to each other and chatting a little bit, exchanging glances, it just was a very awkward format. and you've got to think that republican leaders watching this on tv are also thinking, my goodness. even ten seems like an awful lot to be on the stage next week. so also, you just, it's very hard to remember what anybody, any given person had said, because, you know, you sort of have, you're introduced to them. and then they're off the stage, shuffling off and someone else is being introduced and coming on. so it was unusual. >> then there were a couple little moments of lightening when lindsey graham reminded us that he was a prosecutor in the impeachment of president bill clinton. >> as to the clintons, i've been dealing with this crowd for 20 years. i'm fluent in clinton speak.

when bill says i didn't have sex with that woman, he did. when she says, i'll tell you about bill in the pipeline when i get to be president, means she won't, and when she tells us, trust me, you've got all the e-mails that you need, we haven't even scratched the surface. >> so, joy reid, now lindsey graham provides a 20-year frame for the hillary clinton e-mail story. >> i guess, except people like bill clinton. i'm not sure that's the way to make himself stand out. i understand his dilemma. he's at the bottom of most of these polls. he needs to somehow make a name for himself. there was another piece of it where he went after the president for not being able to put ground troops on the ground and make war against isis. the arguments don't work absent someone to rebut them on some give and take, so that just sounded like a history lesson that was, i hate to say it, but it was boring.

>> robert costa, the audience was forbidden from actually having demonstrative actions, clapping or anything like that. so we don't know how that comment played with the audience. but is that something that works or will work in this republican primary for lindsey graham to go back 20 years to bill clinton's scandal material? >> perhaps. i mean, you look at senator graham, carly fiorina, some of the candidates in the lower tier of the polling. they keep testing out these lines about secretary clinton because they think that's the way to the stop. i was more struck by the planned parent hood comments. this is a party that wants to avoid the culture war, yet they are in lock step in opposition to planned parenthood. you see the revive on the social conservative issues. and most interesting is that donald trump, he says he is pro life, but he used to be pro choice, and he's not becoming a

cultural warrior in the way many of his counterparts are. >> this struck me that lindsey graham believes that hillary can clinton should bear the burden of every credibility moment or every credibility stress that bill clinton has ever gone through. >> here's the thing that i think would be interesting, it would be great to hear what she has to say about it. new hampshire is a state that voted for bill clinton twice for president of the united states. new hampshire is a state that's pro choice. and i understand that these guys are catering to the far right of the republican party, but these guys need new hampshire. it's a really important swing state in the fall. and i'd love to know what annie thinks about those kinds can of answers. i don't think i'd make those kinds of answers in new hampshire if i thought i wanted to win new hampshire in the fall. >> annie? >> i think that's a great point, but it gets to a different dynamic that's going on this year.

it doesn't seem like it really is about new hampshire and iowa. of the debate situation has made this into a national race for republicans. so they need to be doing well in the national polls. and they need to be playing to their base. and quite frankly, whoever wins new hampshire really might not be the person who, new hampshire's not playing the same role that it used to play. and you heard the debate moderator mention over and over again, the thankfulness that some people had shown town the debate and that people were there and sort of welcoming to new hampshire, but i think it's very clear that the race is just entirely different than it has been in previous years. and therefore kind of hard to make that comparison. >> it just amazed me, george pataki giving that answer. he was a pro-choice govern of new york for years. he has no chance in this race unless he can distinguish himself from the other candidates, and he certainly didn't do that in his first moments on the stage. >> lindsey graham said of course

we need more troops on the ground in iraq. when jeb bush was faced with the question of troops on the ground, he was very hesitant. he stumbled quite a bit. and it was fascinating, because he has to know that the boots on the ground question and hypotheticals about what would provoke him to order boots on the ground are going to come up again and again. they want to see what distinguishes his decision making from his brother's on that question. >> yes. and jeb bush, this is going to be his eternal burden. he has to get some excitement among his base. and the second is to find some big picture distinction that he can from his father and brother. both of whom for different reasons are wildly unpopular basically as presidents but also with the republican base. they both angered the base for different reasons. at one point he did a spirited defense of my dad saying my dad's a great man, et cetera, but on the questions of iraq, i have not really seen a sharp

distinction with george w. bush. and unless jeb bush can find some way to make it clear that he would not repeat that foreign policy, let alone repeat it in iran, i think that neocon sort of ghost will haunt his campaign. >> there was a moment where jeb bush was asked about his brother and father as president and he said you don't agree with everybody in your family about everything, in essence, and he mentioned that he disagreed with his brother on something, but he never said what it was. is there any strategy in the bush campaign where they're thinking maybe we should pick out one thing, any one thing, where we can identify where jeb disagrees with george w. >> we haven't seen it so far. it's more about temperament, about presentation. when if comes to george w. bush you talk about donors, he knows his brother's seen as a favorable person and a hero to many in the gop.

and when it comes to the way he approaches politics, pragmatism. that's an allusion to his father. >> is there any sense from the media campaigns at this point which one of them are most effective in television advertising? >> i think it's hard to know right now. the only real measure is going to be the polls, and you know, you have the competitor, fox news had a poll that just came out showing jeb in second place, and that's sort of where he's been. so i think it's also august. so i think it's a little early to make that gauge yet. but certainly, these guys need to figure out how to stand out, particularly the guys who are at the bottom there.

and you saw them trying today. i thought that lindsey graham actually probably had the best night of everyone. he had a moment to be very serious and policy minded and show off his foreign policy experience. and then he also showed his lighter hearted side and showed that he was kind of having some fun up there, which not everyone seemed to be having. >> all right, quick break here. robert costa, thanks for joining us. coming up next, the joe biden presidential campaign. it's starting to sound serious. everyone loves the picture i posted of you. at&t reminds you it can wait.

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yesterday in a column it was reported that beau biden tried to get his father to run for president before he died. the column contained direct quotes from beau biden. when beau realized he was not going to make it he asked his father if he had a minute to sit down and talk. of course, honey, the vice president replied. at the table, beau told his dad he was worried about him. my kid's dying, an anguished joe biden thought to himself, and he's making sure i'm okay. dad, i know you don't give a damn about money, beau told him, dismissing the idea that his dad would take some sort of cushy job after the vice president to cash in. beau was losing his nouns and the right side of his face was partially paralyzed, but he a mission. he tried to make his father prom

toys run, arguing that the white house should not revert to the clintons and that the country would be better off with biden values. any close reading of it indicates that there's only one possible source for the two people in this conversation when the lines are in quotations marks. that reads like a direct conversation with joe biden about that very personal moment. >> it definitely does read that way. you know, or somebody who is extraordinarily close to the family, like joe biden's sister, who has run a number, all of his campaigns in the past. but, yeah. her, her source on this, everybody's been writing about this idea, could biden run, will biden run. everybody's been talking about

it all summer in this town. and she's certainly come the closest to putting out what the argument would be if he does run. i mean, my goodness, that was, it was certainly a powerful column that had reverb rations well into today, and i think this month. >> let's listen to how white house press secretary josh earnest addressed the rumors of vice president biden running today. >> what the vice president has said publicly is that a possible campaign for the presidency is something that he's considering, and he anticipated that he would make a decision by the end of the summer. and so obviously, we're in the first week of august, and we're getting closer to the end of the summer, but we're not there yet. >> joy reid, this is starting to sound interesting. >> yeah, it is, and i have to confess to really liking joe biden. i think he's one of the most likeable, relatable, just imminently good-guy politician.

i don't though the man personally, but he really does have some kind of an x factor that makes him just a relatable, likable guy. >> senators who voted against him every day in the senate were, really liked him. >> and he fits the model of sort of the senator turned president, the model of somebody who's steeped in the senate, who understands the deal making, who has made a lot of friends in his own party and across the aisle and knows washington. i never understood why he wouldn't want to run. he wouldn't want to make history. there wouldn't be anything history making as far as the first woman or first african-american president. but he is the guy who has been the partner to barack obama. and if you are a barack obama supporter, there's no one that's currently in the field who is more likely to continue the legacy of the current president than joe biden. >> howard dean, the big reasons not to run for joe biden, and i think we can all agree he would like to run, if there was room. one is this prohibitive lead by

hillary clinton in the polls. huge lead. she's at 55%. bernie sanders is at 17%. and when joe biden is included, there he is at 13%. that is without joe biden doing a day of campaigning. the other inhibitor for joe biden is, i'm sure he does not want to stand in the way of history and the possibility of the first woman president. >> here's the problem. hillary clinton is a special case. the so-called millennials. i call them the first global generation. first of all, they don't care about politics that much. they're not democrats, they flocked to barack obama's campaign because they wanted change of the first president of their generation. joe biden has none of that. he is a good guy. people like him a lot in washington. washington doesn't length presidents. and that's why he's third in the polls, and he's not going to get any better than third in the polls.

he's going to have to raise a ton of money, but he didn't get in the top tier either of the two times he ran. it's not going to happen again. he does want to be president. he's very ambition. he's been a very solid vice president. if he does come in, i don't think he'll come in first or second. >> the thing that has people nervous about hillary clinton is this latest polling that indicates 57% saying, this is quinnipiac, they don't think hillary clinton is honest and trustworthy. to put that in perspective about how controlling that question is in presidential elections. in 1992, bill clinton was thought to not be honest by 54%, and he won the presidency with that number. no one else has had a number anywhere close that and won the presidency. >> yeah. well, i mean, this is why, in many respects, you know, for

biden to run this time, he is such a clear contrast, not so much policy wise to hillary clinton but style wise. he is trustworthy. he does come across as authentic. he has these moments that are off of the talking points. and hillary clinton doesn't. her strengths lie in other areas. and so you would have, you know, a very clear contrast in candidates and styles in a time when americans are thirsting for this authenticity. you see if on the republican side with donald trump doing so well. there's no other real explanation other than the thirst for getting off of the talking points. and with bernie sanders. it's a little less identity politics right now, but about i want somebody who is going to answer a question or is going to, you know, provide some sort

of notion of humanity that seems to be missing from some of the other front runners, whether it's on the republican side and the democratic side there's only one other person to really make a comparison to. but he does have this strange little moment here where his strengths/weaknesses would play, provide a very clear contrast. >> the back stage drama intention on this is getting intense. another "new york times" report has steve ricchetti, who is joe biden's chief of staff and was a very loyal soldier in the clinton white house working for president clinton and did a great job for president clinton, he was seen by hillary people having lunch with a big democratic donor and former ambassador and the donor had to publicly deny that they were talking about any of this stuff. >> yeah. i mean, i think it's, i think they're friends and people are making too much of it or people

are still open to an alternative. and i think annie did really hit on something. it is a joyless campaign right now. it's sort of a slog. and i think that people do want to see somebody run who's got some kind of spirit, you know. and i think that there is, even in the donor class, a hunger for, is there someone else. they assume it's going to be hillary, but they say, you know, is there someone else. >> my problem is, i think only hillary clinton can turn on that first global generation. they want change. >> bernie sanders is turning out these big crowds of exactly who you're talking about. >> he is, but i actually think he's somewhat limited in that he has to run against the first woman president. one of the reasons i supported hillary very, very early is she was the only candidate at the time who turned on the younger generation. it was all about the first woman president. and you can't take that away. i see joe biden as a good guy, a

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injured. and i've thought about this each day since the tragedy. jillian johnson was a mother, daughter, sister and wonderful wife. she was an artist. i think we would have been friends. and mayci breaux who was 21 and planned on marrying her high school sweetheart. she was an honor student at louisiana state university in eunice where she was studying to become a radiology technician. she was kind and loved her family very much and always made time for them. when i heard about this news, i was completely devastated, and i wanted to just go down to louisiana. and then i was angry. my heart goes out to jillian and the mayci, to the survivors and everyone who's tied to this tragic, senseless and horrifying actions of this man who shouldn't have been able to put his hands on a gun in the first place.

i'm not sure why this man chose my movie to end these two beautiful lives and injure nine others, but it was very personal for me. anyone who knows me, knows that i love louisiana. it's my favorite state. whenever i have a couple days off, i go down there, because i love the people there. they're the coolest, strongest people i've ever met. and the thought of this community being, being turned around and upside down by this just sickens me. the critics scoff and say there's though way to stop crazy people from doing crazy things, but they're wrong. there is a way to stop them. preventing dangerous people from getting guns is very possible. we have common sense solutions. we can toughen background checks and stop the sale of firearms who folks who have a violent history or history of mental illness. we can invest more in treating mental illness instead of slashing funding. these are not extreme ideas.

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comments on the issue of gun violence, but i can promise you they won't be my last >> amy schumer gave her first statement just hours after it happened, tweeting my heart is broken and all my thoughts and prayers are with everyone in louisiana. a week after the shooting, sarah clements wrote this. we need your voice in this movement. we need your help. this weekend, amy schumer responded to that letter treating in part, don't worry, i'm on it. you'll see. joining us now, sarah clements who wrote that letter to amy schumer. what was your reaction when you got a reply from amy schumer? >> i was absolutely in complete shock by her response. she answered my letter in less than 12 hours, seriously,

overnight. and i was just so grateful for the words that she had to say. she, it was very clear to me in that initial tweet, in her response to me that she really did mean that she cared about mayci and the other victims and that she was in fact on it. >> on it and we heard from her in a big way. >> i got about a million e-mails from friends telling me it could have been any movie, and i'm trying to believe that, but i'm not sure. i think the idea of women's equality making anyone upset is not something i'll ever understand. i think women are always in a great threat of violence. just statistically. but i know personally that i'm someone, and the people i'm closed to, who, when these sort of things happen, we mourn, and then we get angry, and it will just make us fight harder and

rise up and rally together to fight against this kind of violence and any other kind of aggression that comes toward us. >> sarah, in your letter, you offered a reason, a possible reason why possibly amy schumer's movie was chosen. what is that? >> i'm definitely not in a place to speculate the motive of the shooter, but i did say in my letter, like you mentioned, and as amy implied in her press conference today that women are disproportionately impacted by gun violence in america. an average of five women a day are murdered by a gun in this country, and, you know, we are, like i said in my letter, women are the ones that, the mothers that have lost children, the daughters that have lost mothers. we, like amy said, we get sad, but we get angry. and women are not afraid to take the reins and we could not be more grateful to amy for standing up as well.

in this movement, we often say that it's a marathon, not a sprint. and we're looking forward to running the distance with amy. up next hardball. comic book hero to run for president. let's play "hardball." good evening, i'm chris matthews in washington. the republican party is packed with trump deniers. rubio walker and the rest of you, he's doing exactly that. joining me is ryan griffin, the