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jeb. same word. they said my tone, my tone. do you know the word tone? isn't nice. they didn't like my tone. they thought it was too strong. and i'm saying to myself, you know? we have crime all over the country. we have the borders are, i mean, the southern borders -- >> that's donald trump in his first town hall meeting as presidential candidate. we'll continue with "all in" with chris hayes. >> and he didn't fold and sit down and apologize. i only apologize -- do i apologize when i'm wrong. rush used the word incoming. incoming. you know what that means from these people here. incoming. then it turned out that i was right. and people started to see the violence and the crime. and they saw kate in san francisco, a magnificent person. whose family is a great family. and they saw jamill. so many people.
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the other night, the woman, a 66-year-old veteran, raped, sodomized, brutally killed by an illegal immigrant. we've got to stop that. we've got to bring back our country. take it back. okay. yes, ma'am. go ahead. >> right here, mr. trump. >> go. young man. >> hello, mr. trump. >> hi. >> my name is caden. i wanted to know if being president is so hard, why do you want to be president? >> that might be the best question i get all night. great question. so if being president is so hard, why do i want to be president? because i love this country and i know that i can make it great again. i know it.
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for you. you know? and really for you, these folks, they've seen it. but it is for you and people your age. because when they get to be our age, if we keep going the way we're going, it will be a very unattractive picture. yes, sir. go ahead. >> i was coming today and i went on your website to see some of your policy positions. theon thing there is immigration reform. i was wondering, can you speak to any of your other plans or policies? >> did i a big policy on immigration and i think most people certainly like it. it seems it has been very popular. we're going to be doing a lot of policy positions. his and i mean it. when i want a deal, i don't sit down and say, well, let's see. i'll give 14 points. i think the press -- are you a member of the press? i actually think the press wants
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the so-called policy positions more than the people, if you want to know the truth. when i sit down and i really enjoy it and i really feel we've hit something special with the immigration policy positions, very formally done, done with a lot of people, including senator sessions, a terrific guy, a terrific guy. and, you know, when i do transactions. i've made a lot of great deals. i don't sit down and say i'll mark down 14. the first thing i'll do is call somebody. next thing i'll do is get on an airplane. it doesn't work that way. you go in and you get it. dorell in miami, i heard it might be available. i went down and scooped it up before anybody knew what was going. on does that make sense? when you do 14 points, the second point may change. and it may be much better than
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the second point you put down on the policy position. that will throw off the rest of the points. but they'll throw it off for the better. i'm doing the policy positions and i'm doing tax payments. i want to put h & r block out of business. it is too complicated. but when it comes to policy, i'm going to give you wonderful policy positions. i want to tell you, the great people, and this is including politicians of which there are very few, very few. but because they're only good at one thing. that's getting reelected. that's all they care about if you ask me. it is really true. are there any politicians in the room? if so, i'm not talking about you. i'm talking to everyone else. if you look at policy positions, we're going to be putting out some very good ones. you need flexibility. if you don't have flexibility, you're not going to make the great ones. i mean flexibility in the proper way.
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as an example, i could give you policy on dealing with china. china is killing us. china has taken so much of our wealth. they've taken our jobs, they've taken our businesses, they've taken our manufacturing, the land? let me think about that one. the way they're going, they'll have it pretty soon. but china has taken so much from us. then think about it. we have rebuilt china. somebody said to me, and i said that's a harsh segment. it is the greatest theft in the history of the united states. i have great respect for china. and their leaders. and hey, look, the largest bank in the world is from china. they're a tenant in one of my buildings. i love china. i think it is great. but we don't have the people who know what they're doing. so we have lost, you can't just go say -- you go in.
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>> donald trump in new hampshire right now at a town hall riffing on china, one of four or five rif that's we hear on a regular basis at these campaign events, earlier did a press availability. jeb bush is nine miles away down the road in new hampshire. donald trump speaking as he let the crowd know to about 800 or 900 people. jeb bush talking to about 200 people. donald trump making sure to needle bush over that saying the audience at the bush event was falling asleep. i want to talk about what we are seeing unfold here. i think it is past the point of a clown show or parody or something comical and turned into something more serious and much darker. howard dean, jess mcintosh, and conservative commentator. let me begin with you. you have someone who is getting huge crowds. who the polling shows is beating
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jeb bush on 44 to 12% on the issue of immigration, calling little children, newborn babies, anchor babies, saying he will use that term which i find it dehumanizing and disgusting. talking about giving the local police to do whatever they need to do to round up the, quote, illegals. talking about building a wall. talking about basically chasing 11 million people out. talking about deporting american citizens to, quote, keep families together. talking about building what would essentially be the largest, most intrusive police state in the history of the american public to go about this task. that is the person that is right now at the head of the republican party's presidential nominating contest. what is your reaction to that? >> well, first of all, he is at the top of the pack and leading in a couple of states in iowa and new hampshire. he is leading in the national polls. if you take a look at the huge field the republicans have put
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forth, he has about a quarter of the votes. the rest of about 75% of the votes. and nobody is as extreme. look, i am absolutely the biggest critic of donald trump that you will find in the republican party. i think the guy is a disaster. i think he is a farce. i think he is somebody who frankly, i don't know what his principles or policies are. he was busy giving to democrats until just a few months ago. so i don't even think he is a republican, much less a conservative. but he is unfortunately, playing into a strain of nativism. he is being supported by organizations like the federation for american immigration reform which by the way has roots, not on the right but on the left. they come out of population control and out of environmentalists. >> i wrote the first magazine profile of the founder affair ever put in print. a guy by the name of john tanning. an ophthalmologist. i drove up to interview him and spend a few days with him.
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he did come out of population control movement. here's the facts about the current immigration politics of the country. you have the entire democratic field supports comprehensive reform. the entire party. you have comprehensive support across the party. you now have a republican field, miss chavez, in which it is an open debate about whether we should repeal the 14th amendment to the united states constitution, whether we should rescind citizenship, a principle that has been enshrined for 150 years. what is going on in. >> it is unfortunate. by the way, birth right citizenship goes back a lot longer than the 14th amendment. it was actually part of english common law. this idea of talking about revoking citizenship for those born here. i think is a disaster. i think if the republican party goes down this road, it is going to go the way of the wigs. it is not going to be a viable party anymore. i am confident at the end of the
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day, you're going to see a nominee of the republican party who is going to have a sensible free market, more pro immigrant approach to immigration because it really is inconsistent with republican principles. what donald trump is talking about is raising the wages of high-tech workers to be above prevailing wages. that's a democratic solution. that's not a republican solution. >> let me bring in howard dean. as you watched this phenomenon unfold and the fact of the matter is, in this combination of sort of this sort of america firstism, nativism, that china and mexico are handing us our own butts in the deals. there is something being channeled here by donald trump and there is something when you dig beneath the comedy of the routine. there is something pretty dark underneath that. the longer this goes on, the more that that darkness is harder and harder to ignore.
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>> i think, yeah. i sort of agree with lynda. i think what he is doing is really bad for the party. once in a while, i have these incredible intuitions about what will happen and i had one in 2012 when mitt romney looked in the camera at one of his huge numbers of debates he had and said i will veto the dream act if it gets to my desk. i knew he didn't really understand the dream act and what it mental to the latino community. i thought that was the end. i never worried one day about the rest of the race about obama losing. and i think that trump has done that effectively. i think the only person who would now at this point have a chance to get latino vote up to the 35 or 40% the republicans must have to win the presidency, would be jeb bush because of his personal credentials. i think everybody else is toast. trump has so staged the republican party with his language. there was an interesting article, i think it was in the
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new york times about what the impact of this is in the latino community. and it is true. the rhetoric, the latinos care about jobs too. yes, they do. but there is nobody who likes to be personally insulted by the president of the united states or somebody running for the presidency. >> let's just say that how this, the magnetic pole that this has created. let me play for you. this is jeb bush talking to bill bennett this morning and i'm putting in heavy quotation marks here, so-called anchor babies. >> governor? >> women are coming in to have babies simply because they can do it. there ought to be greater enforcement. that's the legitimate side of this. greater enforcement so that you don't have these anchor babies as they're described coming into the country. >> hillary clinton responding with a tweet. they're called babies, which seems like a better term for those small human beings.
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>> that's the danger. jeb is going to get dragged into this. >> i think the governor is absolutely right. jeb bush is the only one at this point who normally sounds sane because of his own family situation. he used a derogatory slur to refer to the children of mexican immigrants today. that's the guy with the best moral foundation to discuss this issue? i think it is still unlikely that donald trump despite the polls, becomes the republican nominee. but i think that he has damaged the field. all 17 or 25 or however many there are of them so thoroughly that no matter who does, their paging a picture of an america that is a dark militarized place where we are terrible to people with different colored skin and we are terrible to women and we disregard science and we absolutely say no to any sort of progress.
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i think that it is an awful picture that this republican field is painting of the future of the country. and listening to this incredibly divisive, it used to be extremist. it is just shocking. i never thought trump would have this much effect on the whole field. >> chris, to be fair, it is not just jeb bush. i think he is the best on the issue but john kasich is pretty good on it. >> the no. that's just not -- >> rubio just for the record here. rubio is not as far as i can tell, unless he's changed his position as of late, anti-birth right citizenship. >> he came pretty close to saying that today on the chris matthews show. >> it is a crazy position. you have an irony. you have ted cruz who wasn't
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even born in the united states. >> and bobby jindal who is a citizen who says we need to get rid of birth right citizenship. >> actually, bobby jindal, his parents to my knowledge were not illegally present in the united states. but you're right. >> they were naturalized. >> it is frankly, it is very concerning to me. as a conservative. in part because it goes against the grain. i became a conservative because of ronald reagan. ronald reagan is rolling over in his grave over what's going on right now. this is not what he was about. if you want to talk about amnesty, he gave a true amnesty. and passed the bill that was proposed and supported by robidas rubio was not an amnesty. they would have had to pay fines and have criminal back ground checks. this is unfortunately, it is the summer. people are bored.
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donald trump is a celebrity. you guys have him on. i noticed that, you know, msnbc, cnn seem to be pumping up trump even more than fox. so i don't know what's going on here. it is pushing ratings. you get people to turn. on i guess he is entertaining to some people. i find him boring. >> it is about what he wants to do to the country. >> the coverage is distinct. no amount of cable news coverage is jeb bush have to say anchor baby or question the 14th amendment. to your point, look, i've heard people. we've had people come on the show and say what you've said. i'm a conservative. i find this outrageous. here's what i want to see. someone get up in the republican field and say that. just speak to truth about what this is. governor perry sort of did it. it appeared to be a land mine that almost destroyed his candidacy. the suspicion that is stalking and haunting everyone of the
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people in the field is that there are more people who have donald trump's views on this matter than share their views. and that's the thing to cash out in this election. it has been keyed up, even though it is august and they're bored. thank you all very much. >> thank you. up next, do voters, the people who decide elections? plus, one of donald trump's virtues is explain. why this is so much more than just another data hack ahead.
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you know, this thing happens with the news. you read a news item and it is funny or it is framed as being funny. a joke, someone gets hit in the face with a football like the kid in the marco rubio video yesterday. he was fine. then this other thing happened.
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it is funny and you scratch the details and it stops being funny. that pertains to a hack of an extra-marital dating site. we'll talk about that ahead.
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what could equate? watergate on steroids.
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the e-mails that hillary clinton sent from private server while she was secretary of state. fox news reported today, they have identified two of the benghazi-related e-mails on the server. that were deemed to contain classified information at the time they were sent. it was those documents that kick started the fbi investigation into the mishandling of classified information. the clinton campaign says the fox report vindicates her position that the issue of clarification is bureaucratic squabbling and she was at worst, a passive recipient of unwitting information that subsequently became classified. here's how she answered it. >> in retrospect this didn't turn out to be convenient at all. that does not change the facts. no matter what anybody says, the facts are stubborn. i did not send classified material and i did not receive
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any material that was marked or designated classified. >> did you clean the server? >> with a cloth or something? >> you know how it works digitally. >> i don't know how it works digitally at all. >> is this an indication that it will not go away? >> nobody talks to me about it other than you guys. >> joining me now, joy reid, national correspondent for msnbc. shrug. where are you on this? >> i have been utterly bored with the story to the point where i only recently began to dig into it. >> and you keep watching by the way. to the viewers. >> the more i look into it, i think it is one of those cases where the trail is really simple but the movie is too hard to follow. what i mean is the idea that hillary clinton shouldn't have had a personal e-mail instead of an official e-mail is simple. that sounds bad. it sounds like you're not supposed to do that.
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when you dig into the issue of classification, well, she could have sent and received e-mails that were later classified and then maybe they ended up being classified now but they weren't then. i've never really heard anyone responsibilitily bring it up. i don't know that the american people is are following it with this much detail. >> here's where i am. when i first saw it, yeah. this doesn't seem like this is the best -- this doesn't seem like best practice. that was my feeling. as it played out, yeah, there is legitimate question here. but watching the way the press corps is going after it and the watergate comparisons. it makes me sympathetic. if it wasn't this, it would be something else. this is how they roll with us. remember benghazi and the 17 investigations and all the testimony. that would be the thing that undid hillary clinton. and then it was no. it was a horrible tragedy. there were genuine safety and
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security breakdowns but there was no scandal and no smoking gun. it feels like that again. the more the press is finger wagging about it. >> it reminds me of whitewater. because it has water at the end, oh, that must be good. then they dig into it. that's it? and i think the problem that the republicans are going to have with the e-mail story is that it will really, really reinforce people who already deeply dislike hillary clinton continuing to do so. and continuing to say she is an untrustworthy figure. i think it gets the beltway press exorcised. relationship with the clintons. >> and there are legitimate issues about access. as a fact. foya and that stuff is important. >> and the overclassification of information out of the government. you make a foya request and half of what you asked for is suddenly classified which is a big deal. but is this watergate?
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that's absurd. and it is shocking for somebody who broke watergate to look at those two sets of facts and say these two thing are the same. >> it feels like we are watching the beginning of the construction of the goldberg machine that will be operating six years later, should hillary clinton be, you know, elected president. if you go back to the way the bill clinton scandal machine got set up, it was like whitewater led to the deposition to monica lewinsky. we started with this e-mail question and then there is an inquiry. where is this going to go? it feels self-sustaining. >> remember the whitewater, it is, started with just hair cut gate. and then they fired people on the travel office. you can't fire peel from the white house -- so it starts with thing that don't even sound bad. having gmail. the idea whether or not the server was secure. let's talk about the government e-mails servers.
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they've been hacked. maybe hillary clinton on the cloud was actually somehow safer and more secure than the actual government e-mails? i don't even understand it. >> the other thing that i can never get with these stories. i can never tell how much of this was the special clinton rules treatment. or how much of it is the clintons acting in ways or hillary clinton in this case, acting in ways that's different. about the tenor of the coverage ends up retro actively convince me. it is her own libya. no one cares. let's talk about the e-mail server. >> and you have previous secretary of states, colin powell had a personal e-mail. because there's suchheimer vent-related coverage. everything is like watergate. >> everything gets priced in.
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thanks for joining me. up next, the story of an 81-year-old renowned historian for protecting the ancient remains he dedicated his life to studying.
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as the syrian civil war rages into its fourth year, the horrors seem never ending. this week the sadr regime is being decide for bombing the market and killing hundreds of civilians. meanwhile, isis stands accused
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of killing hundreds in iraq. there's something they will week that stags out. yesterday, the jihadists executed the 81-year-old retired director of antiquities for an ancient syrian city. the internationally regarded antiquities expert spent 40 years restoring the ruins. in may, the town was taken over by isis. >> another city, fallen to isis. this time it was syrian government troop who's ran away. as isis stormed into palmeera. this has lucrative oil and gas fields and is a kraild of western civilization. one that is about to be ronald. >> he fled after isis took control of the city. he said that whatever was going
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to happen to the people would happen to him. just weeks after isis began occupying the city, the retired archaeologist was taken into custody. he was released and taken again about a month action according to his family. >> it was all about hidden treasure. isis wanted to know from the exantiquities director, where the hidden treasures were buried inside palmyra. he refused to cooperate. he wanted to defend his sites. he did not want to give any information of any kind to isis. >> he was beheaded yesterday in a public square, according to a human rights group. his blood soaked body was hang in the effigy in the streets. i have to think he went to his death with a proud defiance of knowing his noble devotion to his work will outlive the
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barbarity that resulted in his death.
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there have been to put it mildly a lot of thing not to like about donald trump's presidential run. the best thing has been his calling attention to the fangt that most candidates spend a lot of time raising a lot of money because they want something in return. >> all of that money going to hillary and jeb and scott and marco and all of them. the people putting up that money are, it is like puppets. bing, bing, they're totally controlled. totally controlled by special interests, lobbyists and donors. >> the power the donors have can cause them to behave like ceos december prt to play indicate their shareholders to keep them from being fired. scott walker reportedly nationally held a lunch and
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conference call to reassure donors and supporters he can turn things around. most see the shaking hands and giving speeches. that's just a tiny slice of what it is about. candidates work the crowd while working a pork branded apron. and meet with billionaires who have very different views than the average iowa voter. and it isn't easy to keep both sides happy. consider the common core standards. three different people running for president have all turned against common core after initially appearing to support it. presumably to play indicate the base that has come to loetss the standard. >> i personally don't think the standards are as great as people think they are. >> i want high standards. i just want them set by people locally. >> i listen to people in 130
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plus town hall meetings to complain about common core. that's why i changed. >> christie's flip-flop on the position is not playing well with donors who are huge fans. they were developed by states to establish uniform academic bench marks. according to the "wall street journal," christie's reversal has prompted some wealthy donors to turn away. instead, they are turning on bush. he has distanced herself. casey kasich today decline to disavow despite pressure to do so. >> for me, i won't change my position because there are four peel in the front row yelling at me. i don't operate that way. >> music, of course, to the ears of many voters. joining me now, dana goldstein. author of the fantastic must-read. the teacher wars.
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the history of the most embattled profession which you are all assigned to read. this is fascinating. and it is one of these issues, the candidates are trying to straddle two trains going in opposite directions. why do the donor class care? >> they always have. the common core starts with the spumings we're being outeducated by competitors by children around the world. that children in other countries are doing much better than kids in the u.s. and that's true. businesses care about that because they want smart and able workers. there's nothing new about that. if you go back to why we have a public education system in the united states in the first place. in the 1830s, it was railroad industrialists who were some of the people saying let's have public schools. >> basically, you keep sending me these hay seeds from farms to operate my brakes. that's how it starts.
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>> that's how it started. to get factory workers who were able to do the task that's businesses were looking for in the 19 century. they wanted people at that time to have an elementary school education. >> so there is a donor class in the gop. business business folks who really are invested in common core. what has been happening at the grassroots level that that is now threatening? >> you think about the other people in the sempt coalition, for example, christian conservatives. they have a whole different way of thinking about education. they prioritize the education in the home. the parent-child relationship. when it comes to schools, they're really into the idea of local. >> local, local, local. >> that's a big idea on the left as well. this weird place where the far left and the far right are coming together in a critique of the common core. it seems to some people to be a threat to localism. so what you see with the candidates is some folks are going with that more grassroots conservative that critique of the common core.
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and others are sticking with what the donor class wants. >> this critique of the common core, there is a lot of grassroots activists on the left and the right and there are lots of people that don't like it. a lot of with it the implementation, with the way it has been tied so tightly to standardized test clg parents have rebelled against. if you just canvas a neighborhood in upstate new york. people don't like the common core. it has a bad reputation. are you surprised by how much traction it has gotten? >> if you go back to no child left behind which is the first time the federal government pushed big on these yearly standardized tests. you saw big opposition. more from lefty type parents who thought there was overtesting in the schools. it is not surprising to see a companion movement on the right. they're focused less on the critique that maybe arts and music are getting pushed out. we did hear carly fiorina today
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make a critique like that in this republican conversation in new hampshire. they're focused more on the threat. the idea. in a way, the myth that president obama himself, the obama -- >> they call it obama core. and that's not true. and if you listen to what jeb bush had to say in new hampshire, it was so interesting. he spoke about, quote, academics and experts as the people we would look to set standards for our school. that is the consensus among experts. it has been the bipartisans and the centrists' ideas that we should get experts. a lot of people don't agree. >> there is the big question. fascinating to watch. the person who is the nominee. do they come out with common core intact? my bet right now on the tv program is no. >> well, mitt romney had to be very careful four years ago. >> coming up, hackers release the information of over 30
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million users of the extra-marital dating that sipt ashley madison.
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♪ ♪ other than my wife ♪ looking for someone other than my wife ♪ ♪ other than my wife ♪ ashley madison >> more than ten years the site ashley madison has been the most
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controversial dating site on the internet. the entire business is that it helps people have extra-marital affairs. at worst it is a who cares attitude about betraying and hurting a person you love. now for the millions of people who actually have an account with the service, things have taken a very unsettling turn. it was hacked and it seemed like one of the many hacks at target, the office of personnel management, the irs, millions and millions of people's information stolen, hacked. and yet all of it always feels like a tree falling in the forest that no one hears. as in, someone out there has some set of people's personal data but the effect of them having that data just isn't immediately clear. and then things took a turn. yesterday, people saying they were the ashley madison hackers, dumped 9.7 gigabytes worth of stolen user account and payment
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information online. the login details, e-mail addresses, payment transaction details. actual people today are watching their lives change. a day that for them will suddenly alter everything in the way that can be permanent and profound that is likely for them a day of genuine misery and crisis for their families because of this hack. for its part, ashley madison is obviously crying foul. this event is not an act of hacking. it is an act of criminaliality. seeing fit to impose a virtue on all of society. we are continuing to fully cooperate with law enforcement to seek to hold the guilty parties accountable. this is not something in russia. this is households being broken up.
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law if i recall like the manhattan based divorce firm said they were already experiencing an influx of call from potential clients. here's the thing. this is just a tiny little glimpse of the future that we are all entering. today it is ashley madison. but who knows what it is tomorrow? we're going to talk about that and what that means when we come back. i'm the proud dad of
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joining me now, co-ed iter of the all.
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and founder and editor of boing, boing. >> your first day was welcome to the first day of the rest of the internet. it was becoming clear this had leaked. i was one of the people who saw the news and thought it is like all these hacks. you really persuaded me this was a big deal. what do you mean the first day to the rest of the internet? >> i think ashley madison is hard to relate to for a lot of people. it is a site you go to to cheat on your spouse. it serves them right. whatever. >> and also, this is karma or your come-uppins. >> if you think about it in a more abstract way, it is a website where you go to conduct business that you think is private. most of the apps that you use. ashley madison is a site that facilitates transaction that's a lot of people would frown upon
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but facebook is a transaction between two people that no one would frown on. it calls into question just how secure communications they've taken for granted are. >> i keep thinking about, when hacks happen, it is always hard to figure out what the harm is. because it never cashes out in quite this way. the two exceptions that are sony, they got hacked and all of a sudden, everybody's e-mail was on the internet and it hurt sony. people got fired. there may be lawsuits from what in those. we're seeing ashley madison. thp kind of malevolent desire to expose that ends up in a situation like this. >> this is definitely the best of hacks. not all the leaks are done for cash profit for making money.
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it is really hard to know exactly what the motivations is. i have advice for anybody out there watching the show who wants to get in on some internet hanky panky. first, buy a burner phone. and use that for your hanky panky. get a gift card at the assume market cashier so your credit card can't be traced and use a freaking, an anonymous e-mail. make up a burner e-mail account. we really don't know how many abusers were actual users of the site. the real number may be far lower so it is hard to tell what the damage may be. >> there was some great reporting at fusion. and this is so chilling about this. >> it was great. >> it is tangible. there are actual people who today are having the worst, like, i'm not even talking about the people who subscribe. i'm talking about their spouses or their kids. those are actual human beings. this hack, this abstract thing, this data breach is right now
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the most important life shaking crisis in those households happening right now. it is a real thing. >> the crisis began when they reached out to conduct infidelity online, the argument might go. lots of people have lots of structures in their marriages. for some people maybe this was not cheating. maybe this was part of private agreement. i think ashley madison and their parent company are the real villains. they charged users, don't let hillary clinton get confused here. to wipe the data. so they took money to do that and they didn't do it. >> here's my question. when you talk about the next internet. everybody, you know, whatever it is. search history, text messages, your inbox, your medical records. everybody has some digital trail that they wouldn't want to be in a torrent fire on the internet that anyone can search and look up.
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is that the future? is that what it will be? >> well, it is hard to think about this in terms near future science fiction. you tend to be about low fruit. what are the most embarrassing things i've done online? that's not the way to get to the heart of the issue. the most intimate place is the google search box. the conversations you have with that box are conversations you wouldn't have with other people. this is argument you hear a lot from tech, from silicon valley. about privacy. there is actually a different sort of conception of privacy that the exist tense of google, these centralized platforms that provide an interface allows people to have new types of privacy. you don't have to go to the next town over to avoid seeing a doctor whose kid might be in your class. that kind of thing. the flip side is that the service that's facilitate this have unprecedented amounts of date. a and people trust them so deeply.
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the time of data they're handing over is new. >> the thing i kept thinking about, other things that are not ashley madison. we all have. we don't want to be public on the internet. i have no way of knowing whether it is protected. well, i hope the google engineers are good at their job. thank you both vex. that is "all in" for this evening. rachel maddow starts now. >> i admit i was one of those people, karma! now you've made me feel more sad and scared about it. >> it is what comes next is the question. >> and this too. well done. thanks. thank you at home for joining us this hour. behold the center of the political universe today. pizano's pizza. in southern new hampshire, not far from manchester. here's what's great about it when presidential politics are really hot.