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do people think we are going to ship 11 million people who are law abiding, who are in this country and somehow picked them up at their house and ship them out of mexico to mexico? think about the families. think about the children. come on, folks. we all know you can't pick them up and ship them back across the border. it's a silly argument. it's not an adult argument. >> all i can say is you're lucky in ohio you struck oil. that's the one thing.
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let me just tell you dwight eisenhower, good president, great president, i like ike. the expression "i like ike ". he moved a million and a half illegal immigrants out of the country. >> you're not going to have my back. i'm going to have my back. >> you should let jeb speak. >> in the state of ohio. >> governor. [ applause ] >> thank you donald for allowing me to speak at the debate. i appreciate that. what a generous man you are. >> good morning. it is wednesday, november 11th. welcome to morning joe live in manchester, new hampshire. >> this college is no stranger to politics and of course, the
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home to new hampshire politics which is hosting presidential e at this time bass. >> 2016 marks the 100th anniversary of this state holding the first in the nation primary. >> we have an incredible line up this morning. some would call it news. >> yes. donald trump will be our exclusive guest. we're going to have his first interview following last night's debate. his sons don jr. and eric trump join us for their first joint interview about their father's campaign. >> and we're going to have governor dris christie and mike huckabee join us in their first performance of the underdog debate. lindsey graham left last night's debate. he's going to get a chance this morning to make his case. >> we have mike barnical, msnbc
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political analyst and former chairman of the republican national committee michael steal and in milwaukee, wisconsin mark with his report card which i didn't get. i didn't get it. he's going to have to explain that. interesting grades. >> meek cramerica is always tough on you. at the university of alabama if you did well you got an a, poorly you got an f. you're a harvard guy where i guess everybody gets a gentleman's b. a lot of b's on your report card, mark. >> nothing is harder than to have my gratds graded by meek cramerica. i thought everybody had good moments. nobody had a disastrous disastro disasterous moment. i thought everybody got a chance to be themselves, to speak as
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themselves. rubio and cruz stood out to me as the best political athletes. everybody else was bunched up. descent nights and ability to go to their donors and supporters and say i did what i wanted to do and got to present myself to the country. >> that really wasn't a run away win or lose last night. >> no. it was focussed on policy and economy. if other debates featured personal attacks -- it doesn't mean it didn't get heated at times. >> we have to decide what is conservative and what isn't conservative. is it physically conservative to have a trillion dollar expenditure? we're not talking about giving people back money. we're talking about giving back money they did i want pay. add that to marco's plan for a
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trillion dollars in new military spending and you get something that looks to me not very conservative. >> if you invest that money in a business you get to write it off on taxes. if you put it in your family, your children it's not recognized. yes, i want to rebuild the american military. i know rand is a committed isolationist. i'm not. i believe the world is a stronger and better place when the united states is the strongest military place in the world. >> marco, how is it conservative to add a trillion dollar expenditure for the federal government you're not paying for? how is it conservative to add a trillion dollars in military expenditures? you cannot be a conservative if you're going to keep promoting new programs and not pay for them. >> i do not think we're any safer from bankruptcy court. as we go further and further
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into debt, we become less safe. >> last night was frustrating for me. everybody on the democratic side is talking about giving gifts away and on the republican side they tried to get marco to list a program he would cut and he wouldn't talk about it. john kasich avoided it too. he followed up with adjusting medicaid. there you have a situation marco's plans of $2 trillion for new spending and the punch line, we don't want people to get beheaded. i set there last night and focussed on marco. we can protect our children from bankruptcy and beheadings and yet i didn't hear from anybody last night. an answer we're going to pay down a $19 trillion debt and ted c, are, uz goes after marco and nobody's talking about the big spending republicanism.
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>> two best moments of the night, the first was the moment we saw with rand where he drew down on a core idea. that's what we beat up the democrats for for the last seven years. how are you going to cut the spending the democrats wanted to can at their debate and the answer was never given. >> never given. in fact, they presented proposals to spend 2 trillion more dollars. >> and i think going forward, that is going to be a very interesting dynamic between not just rand and rubio, but all of those folks on that stage to justify the spending. >> that's important. and the debate centered on economics. differences showed rifts between the candidates, especially when donald trump and jeb bush sparred between the roll. >> what does president trump do in response to russia's progression? >> first of all, it's not only
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russia. we have problems with north korea where we have nuclear weapons. we talk about iran and that's one of the worst deals ever made. as far as syria, if putin wants to go in and i got to know him well because we were both on 60 minutes. we were stable mates and did well that night. you know that. if putin wants to go knock the held out of isis, i am all for it 100% and i can't understand how anybody would be against it. they blew up, wait a minute. they blew up a russian airplane. he cannot be in love with these people. he's going in and we can go in and everybody should go in. they say keep going, keep going you dummies. protect us. we have to get smart. we can't continue to be the preliminary of the world. >> we're not going to be the world's preliminary but we better be the world's leader. there's a huge difference. without us leading voids are filled and the idea that it's a
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good idea for putin to be in syria and let isis take out isad and putin takes out isis, that's like a board game. that's not how the real world works. >> there's frustration that the united states is the world's preliminary. last night, listen to the plauz lines, it sounded like that republican crowd wanted a lot more engagement in the world and a lot more military budgets which again is not what you would have seen a year ago. >> everybody wants more engagement. >> nobody wants to send their kids over there either. >> that's the biggest part of the price. >> the thing that struck me last night. it's almost thanksgiving. when are they going to cut the roster? when are we going to have four or five people on the stabge instead of eight or nine? >> the iowa caucuses were 14% of the vote.
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>> let's talk about ben carson last night. i'm not exactly sure what ben carson said last night. >> i looked at his answer on foreign engagement and could not figure out what he was talking about. it was bizarre. >> and yet he's doing well and avoiding catastrophe on the debate stage will be enough to keep him up top. >> i guess you're right. if everyone has 10-14% and have a sugar daddy helping their super pack out and run lean campaigns, you could see this thing rolling into new hampshire, south carolina, nevada and having 10 candidates there. >> the way the deck has been stacked is between february 1st and march 15th, everything proportional. you'll get a piece of every vote cast from the beginning to the end of 15. as long as you got a little bit
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of cash and momentum on a stage like this, you'll get a piece of the action. >> this is why i think rand had a descent night last night. i feel this large where you have to distinguish yourself in some capacity. he earned up his roots last night when it came to fiscal matters. for a while we've been talking about how rand needs to own up to that basis where he came from the base work. i think he started to do that last night. >> can you help us out here? now is there republican establishment and if so, when does someone intervene and say we got to cut this thing down? they wanted a narrow field.
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they wanted this thing to whittle down very quickly from the very beginning and donald trump threw all of that out of the window. along comes ben carson and carly and along comes more importantly ted cruz who nobody in washington wants to see where he is right now and he's growing, not slinking. >> it can all change with ohio and new hampshire. >> fit could. none of the candidates went after ben carson and after nearly a week of krutny and revelations about his inspiring life story, retired neurosurgeon
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ben carson answered this question on the public's trust. >> are you worried your campaign which you've said is bigger than you is now being hurt by you? >> first of all, thank you for not asking me what i said in the 10th grade. i appreciate that. we should vet all candidates. i have no problem with being vetted. what i do have a problem with is being lied about. and then putting that out there as truth. when i look at someone like hillary clinton who sits there and tells her daughter and a government official no, this was a terrorist attack and tells everybody else it was a video.
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where i came from, they call that a lie. it's misinterpreted. we have to start treating people the same and finding out what people really think and what they're made of. people who know me know that i'm an honest person. >> last night he stayed away. did you see anything on the debate stage? certainly your report card would suggest not. you got trump and car on the top here and about 10 points behind. do you see anything happening last night that shakes that up?
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i think what we're waiting for is oneover or two candidates to elevate their level. in terms of communicating a vision for the country and a toward looking message and while other people had good nights last night, those two guys still seem to me to have the postpotential to on the ground in iowa and new hampshire build bigger crowds and if the establishments right that carson and trump are not going to be built to last, those two guys are setting the pace. for the others, for christie, for kasich and bush, they're going to have to figure out how to get their performance and communication level up. that's going to be a big deal in the field coming december and january.
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the performance was basically what carly's performance was in cleveland. >> we'll be showing some of that. still ahead we have an exclusive interview, extended interview with donald trump here on set plus his sons donald jr. and eric trump will be here. also joining us, three other contenders for president governor chris christie, senator lindsey graham and mike huckabee join the conversation. plus former president george h.w. bush won't hold back when talking about the administration. a huge show. you're watching morning joe. we'll be right back. [ applause ] ♪
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mr. trump fancies himself as a negotiator. mr. trump ought to know we should not speak to people foreign policy a position of weakness. senator paul should know that as well. one of the reasons i said i would not be talks to putin right now, although i have met him as well, not in a green room for a show but in a private meeting. >> where did you meet? >> i met him in beijing. we were in sort of a green room setting actually. [ applause ] >> all right. 20 past the hour, we're live in manchester, new hampshire and
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joining us nbc news, katy. how do you think the trump campaign did last night. >> he did well. he was able to state his positions eloquently. we saw more of a conciliatory, not passive but less aggressive. >> i see a change in tone. >> big change. >> what's his strategy? he's pounding ben carson all week and then basically calls him a sociopath and then actually in the debate seems to lay down the gloves. >> i think a debate is a larger audience and wants to come off more like the nice guy on stage that can bridge the mp gaps. >> how frustrated are they with ben carson? >> very frustrated. when you see him at the rallies
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he can be aggressive. the applause lines on the trail aren't quiet adds loud as when they are when he attacks carson for stabbing somebody. >> stabbing, hitting the hammer, all those stories. it's also like this, this weird medicine that he was pushing and did speeches for a accompany and helped marketing and was on their website and claimed not to be but says this medicine makes me healthier and i'm not pushing it. there's a slipperiness to him. >> so you're not voting for ben carson? >> it's not about voting, it's about telling the truth.
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same thing for donald trump supporters saying he's the best guy for the job and the one outspoken and the one that can make the change in washington. >> the only difference i can say is donald trump's life story is hanging out there and not hiding anything. >> donald trump has had the benefit of being vetted for years and decades. >> it is interesting what you were saying about this. a supplement. >> he says he wasn't involved in it and he was, you've got tape of him. >> literally of video. >> they've been in a sales meeting, yeah. >> katy, donald trump. less aggressive tone, a more conciliatory appearance on the debate stages. all the other candidates have teams of advisers around them, tone it down, say this, do that. who is trump's principal
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adviser? >> i think trump is his own adviser. he has a few people around him. we can ask him when least here. there's michael who he's dealt with on a lot of issues. he has his campaign manager. i think he's starting to get more trust with. i think ultimately, donald trump is donald trump's own adviser. he watches the shows, reads the papers and picks up on things and decides where he wants to go. he's also good at reading a crowd and practices some of his attack lines and policy points on the trail and sees what adjusts. the debates are a different story. >> following a twitter stream. >> let's go to the card debate. spent most of the night on debate against chris christie. >> under your leadership in new jersey, your budget has gone up
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15% and down 26% in louisiana. >> we can talk about those and bobby wants to spend a lot of time talking about that. i'll tell you what i want to talk about. i'll talk about what's going to happen in this country. >> imagine how much time he would won if i actually criticized him. the fact is he's done a nice job in louisiana. i've cut spending $2 billion. >> while christie refused to criticize any of his republican opponents, he centered his
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attacks on an opponent they could all agree upon, hillary clinton. >> if you think mike huckabee won't be akind of president that will cut by spending, wait until you see what hillary clinton do for the country? >> hillary clinton is coming for your wallet. don't worry about huckabee. worry about her. remember why we're in the position we're in with china. an absolutely weak policy engineered by hillary clinton and barack obama. that's why we're in the position we're in. secretary clinton says there's no crisis at the v.a. that sends a long hard message they don't get it. i saw the most disgraceful thing i seen in this campaign a few weeks ago. hillary was asked the enemy she's most proud of and she said
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republicans. in a world where we have al qaeda and isis, the woman who asked to run and represent all of the united states says her greatest enemies are people like you in this audience and us here. >> mike, we are talking about it before, that man is in the zone. >> you know, joe they did a famous study of the nix nixon-kennedy debates. everybody thought on the radio nixon won. i listened to it in the car on the way up here. there was no one else in that debate other than chris christie in that debate. he dominated the debate with his positions and the way he articulated them. on the radio nobody else was in the debate. >> it was a home run. very clear he was focussed on hillary and a central message he wanted to get out there and he did not take the bait they were throwing at him. >> not once. >> he did not fall into that trap and i think he showed the
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difference between being on the main stage and being on that stage. >> on the main stage you had aid lot of bs. on the undercard you had a winner. he had great messages out there. >> do you think his points and substance could complicate things for christie? it's something that the republican party hates. >> i don't know if it will be as much as a lot of folks may think. when you stop and think about what took place on the main
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stage as well, that at various times, they were applauding some of the very things that kasich will say about what he did. there's a sweet spot in the party in many respects when it comes to musicians because unanimousnew jersey is not like the south. a lot of people get that. >> in politics it's better to be lucky than good. he's making his own luck and pushing for every advantage and he's a brawler. he sees every obstacle in his way including marco rubio and has a strategy and a long term
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plan to say how am i going to get over every body to get to the top? >> so that time of precision on top of being able to be himself at the same time which is an incredible balance. chris christie joins us live later this morning on morning joe. katy will be reporting from manchester all day. thank you so much. coming up, senator gene is here in her home state of new hampshire. she joins the table ahead plus what does former president george h.w. bush make of today's republican party? we'll talk to biography john mechum and former assistant to the president. we're just a few minutes away from our exclusive interview with donald trump. he joins the set here for his first interview after last night's g.o.p. debate. morning joe will be right back. amerivest selects the funds and manages your portfolio. is it run by robots? no no, you can talk to a person anytime. 'cause i don't trust robots.
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jackson and roosevelt all dead. >> and then you decide to write one about somebody whose still alive? >> very much so. >> what's the difference? >> you can't call the others to check things out. the other sons didn't have authority. >> 34 past the hour.
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welcome back to morning joe live from west chester, new hampshire. you may have heard about his book, the power of george h.w. bush. andy here in new hampshire. >> andy, let's talk about the debate first and jeb bush. i thought they miss spoke a few times even though the debate was not about foreign policy and i think jeb looked presidential
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but i don't think he had a break through moment. i think jeb was appropriately presidential. remember, we're picking a president. not the best performer or the bart with the carnival. we're picking a president. >> i thought he was president. do what you got to do. >> let's talk about the book. andy, pretty fascinating here. 41 talking about dick cheney saying the problem was dick cheney was allowed to bring in basically his own state department. >> this was his inner thoughts. i know how george w. bush
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performed as president. i did not see the relationship between dick cheney and donald rumsfeld the way the first bush president described it. >> john mechum, at the same time, the dad said keep it in there. >> this is not from his diary. it is a point he made in interviews with me repeatedly over the course of four years. the diaries come 89-43.
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i did go back. in the heat of the moment i said whatever it might be and i'll make a note of that. president bush, 41, said that's what i said. i think this is a very firmly held opinion. he obviously had a very different view of the vice presidency than dick cheney. they're almost the ying and yang how you conduct yourself as vice president. the one criticism is that 41 found 43s red rick to be too hot at times. a point which 43 copped to basically as he joked to me. he said well, you know, my red rick can get hot but they understood me in mid-land. >> yeah, were you surprised when as you were working on this book
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the first time you actually did have 41 express criticism of 43. the sort of things we've been hearing about going all the way back to august 2002 when brent was critical of becoming iraq war. you got to sense he would have never done that in george h.w. bush hadn't give him the okay. >> i have to think he was freelancing on that. as far as my reaction with president bush 41 started saying that, you might have heard me in new york fall out of the chair in houston because it was so remarkable. it was considered. that's what's important here. i think that on substance, 41 and 43 were a lot closer than the poplar narrative suggests. president bush, 41, did not like the phrase actors of evil. he didn't like what he believed to be a kind of swaggering culture around parts of the
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administration because he didn't believe it represented what his son really, really believed and it's certainly true, particularly, and i think andy agrees with this when you look at the second term. vice president cheney won a lot fewer policies as it went on and i think interestingly, 41 and 43 were a lot closer on substance than we appreciate. >> andy. >> i think president bush 41 and bush 43 was a father son relationship for us. it was a dad carrying about his
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son. the sitting president knows more than a former president. he will be very differ shl to the sitting president. >> the book is destiny and power. john and andy, thank you both very much. coming up, donald trump is standing by. we've got a lot of ground to cover with him. he'll be with us for the better part of an hour. first, the chairman, jennifer horn. what voters are looking for. keep it here on morning joe.
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commerce, the department of energy, the department of commerce and hud. plauz pluz. >> at 44 past the hour. >> no, no hold on. >> what? >> let me just say that. >> okay. say it. >> here's the deal. if you were the state of texas and going to eliminate cabinets, do not start counting them off unless you can remember. there was flash backs of our good friend rick perry. i will say this. he kept going. he eliminated. >> you repeat with confidence. >> we're counting down to our big interview with donald trump. just moments away. joining us now the republican of the counsel, jennifer, thanks for being on the show this morning. >> thanks for coming to new hampshire. >> oh, we love this place. >> i retweeted a tweet you put
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out a week ago about chris christie. when you look at the event organizers, actually stiffed the people of new hampshire because chris christie just had a poll where he was shooting up six points. >> you know how i feel. if they're going to eliminate candidates based on polling, it needs to be polling from the early states. chris christie is in the top tier in new hampshire. he's been doing well and working hard. >> how is he doing that? >> on the ground in new hampshire. >> so what's he doing now? you're on the ground and he's doing well. >> no question he's doing well. he's a town hall guy. he fills the room and he's been gradually moving up and doing better and better. i would say also there's no question. we saw it last night on the debate stage for marco rubio also doing well on the ground and moving forward. it's the same way that chris christie is. they're taking their message directly to the voters face to
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face. >> i asked a question yesterday. he said this election cycle we've been flying upside down. crazy things that been happening. i'll be asking you the same thing in new hampshire i've been asking in iowa. at the end of the day does it come down to the critical basics? do you believe that's still where we're going end up? >> no question about it. no question about it. the debates are so important, we know that's where all america gets to hear from our candidates. i think they all did great. when february 9th rolls around it's going to be about who is in this state looking in their eye and sharing a message and a vision. >> mike, you spend time here and you're seeing this type of work really adding up for people like chris christie. >> like jennifer said, it was this past weekend and i've shown clips of the debate and you're
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going in new hampshire and it's a crisis and kids dying from overdoses. chris christie's viral tape that is on youtube addressing this issue, people were still talking about it on main street outside of alex shoe store last weekend as if it had happened that morning. is it that kind of an issue that easy ignites more with potential voters in new hampshire today other than the big one ss? >> there's no questions. what's happening in the state with the heroine epidemic is so raw. he has been able to talk right to people's hearts on that issue and it has made a big difference and you know, governor bush has talked about this issue in new hampshire, senator rubio has talked about the issue. it's so personal and painful to people when you have a candidate for the president of united states that sits in front of you
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and they see your tears and you're able to an neconnect, its a huge difference. >> i was shocked to see there was the preimminent issue. you don't normally see that. when it becomes that familiar to people it does touch a nerve. things like what the governor said. >> it's clearly eating away at the fabric, people's lives. it may be more important than a national poll.
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whose better organized? >> yeah, there's no question. marco rubio's team is doing really well. most people don't see it. undecided is winning the race. what i say about new hampshire all the time, those folks saying i'm with that person, this person, they're undecided. >> jennifer horn, thank you. thanks for being on the show today. coming up at the top of the hour we have donald trump joining the
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i built a great accompany. i actually have a great temper mat. [ laughter ] and i don't like being ripped off like we're being ripped off. i'm not a big sleeper. three or four hours. i toss and turn and i want to find out what's going on. and you know, i'm the only one. i'm self-funding my campaign. >> oh my gosh. coming up at the top of the hour donald trump is with us live in new hampshire and he brought his sons with him. we'll also be talking with three other g.o.p. candidates plus
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accompany worth billions and billions of dollars, i don't have to hear from this man. >> is it conservative to have a trillion dollar expenditure. add that to marco's plan to a trillion dollars in military spending and you get something not conservative. >> i know rand is a committed isolationist, i'm not. >> if putin wants to go in, i got to know him very well. we were both on 60 minutes. if putin wants to go knock the hell out of isis, i'm for it 100%. >> he's wrong on this. we're not going to be the world's policemen but we better be the leader. >> i have met putin as well not in a green room for a show but in a private meeting. [ laughter ] [ applause ] >> welcome back to morning joe. we're live in new hampshire. new hampshire, of course, is the all the important first in the nation primary state.
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we are three months away from the first votes being cast in the race for the republican presidential nomination. >> the man in the lead of the polls, donald trump. >> donald. >> hi everybody. >> donald. [ applause ] >> how are you feeling? >> let's get this straight. you were there last night and flew straight here. how many hours sleep did you get? >> not too much. about an hour and a half. >> about an hour and a half. so you're rested and ready to go. >> what i do for you folks. >> it's unbelievable. >> no, i'm doing it for them. that's all right. [ applause ] >> okay. let's dive in. >> let's dive in on the debate. how do you think the debate went? >> i thought it was great. the moderators were fantastic. go from that to what we had a few weeks ago which wasn't good talking about football, fantasy football. i thought the three moderators did a fantastic job. not only really a good job but
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an elegant debate. i don't know if that's going to be as big as it would have been let's say number one, we had 24, 25 million people. i think over a period of time it naturally goes down but they were terrific moderators last night. >> who other than yourself had the best performance? >> i don't think anybody did poorly really. i really don't. >> the quality seems. >> normally i should say they were all terrible, everybody, right. they were horrible. >> but didn't you notice a quality of all the candidates seem to be getting better. >> had you did ben carson do? >> i thought he was good. they didn't ask him that many questions. i thought he was good. >> i'm curious, you were very critical of ben carson on the campaign trail last week. last night seemed to keep the gloves off. why is that? >> i don't want to be critical. i like him to start off with. i like him. i don't want to be critical. last night they were asking
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questions. ben and i have gotten along well over the period of time and i've become friends with a lot of the people up there. some good people up there actually. >> is ben carson qualified to be president of the united states. >> that's not for me to say. >> would you let him run one of your companies? >> i would let him operate under a friend of mine, not necessarily me but a friend of mine. >> will you let him run one of your companies? >> sure, if you're talking about a accompany, sure. >> you would never let him run one of your companies. >> you're critical. >> i'm curious. you're being nice this morning. >> i read where one of the folks said some nice things about me in some place. it didn't happen to be here but katy, what happened? she's so great. i saw her back there and i gave her a big kiss and she was fantastic. >> i don't know what to say about that. >> it was great.
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>> let's talk about policy. big battle over what the united states should and shouldn't do, the republican party obviously has been run by neocons over the past decade. you have marco rubio on one side who wants to spend a trillion dollars more on national defense and then on the other side you had rand paul. where exactly do you stand between those two polar opposites? >> i would say i'm the most militaristic person on the stage. you saw that. in fact, i tell the story about you when you almost fell over in my book it was written in 2000. i was talking about bin laden. joe asked when was the book written? before the trade center came down. that's amazing. it depends on what we're talking about and where. we have to be top of the line military. we have to spend a lot of money. it's a great expenditure.
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the more we spend the less we're going to have to use it. people are looking at us right now as weak and effective. we don't know what we're doing. we don't have strong leadership. they have a lot of bad things going. >> you say that the united states should bt the world's policemen. >> no. joe, we owe $18 trillion. >> does that put you in line where barack obama is as far as leading behind? >> no, i think we're more on the let's go side than that. at the same time, i love the fact that putin is bombing the hell out of somebody and the people that he's bombing right now have to be isis to a certain extent. they probably just blew up his airplane. i assume it was a bomb. they don't want to say it. having putin dropping bombs on isis is a very positive thing. we don't have to do 100% of the bombing. >> jeb bush says that's wreckless and irresponsible.
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>> i think it's irresponsible for us to get bogged down in syria and let's end up in world war iii over syria. nobody knows what's happening. frankly, he's a bad guy. we're backing people we don't know who the held they are. we're backing people who don't know who they are. giving billions of dollars of stuff and they're getting the held knocked out of them anyway. we have no idea. i spoke to a general two weeks ago up on it and he said donald, we have no idea who those people are we're giving all this stuff to. if they got knocked off, let's say they get knocked off. what do we have? we don't know if it's going to be worse than isad? we shouldn't have got into iraq and we destabilize the entire middle east doing it. we have isis because of that. look at libya. we have libya and he's not there. it's 10 times worse than it was.
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now we have the same thing. we oh $19 trillion and bridges are falling and roadways are falling. i travel all over the world. i see some of the most beautiful things i've ever seen. >> singapore. >> anywhere. i can name 20 different places and you land in he guard i can't and you have potholes all over the runway. >> but there is a beautiful trump airplane at the end of the runway every time you land there. it is. every time you land. >> when it comes to the infrastructure we have that's falling apart. there's so much that needs to be done here and last night i heard you say you would keep the minimum wage as is, you would not raise it. explain how that is necessary. >> it's a very tough thing. >> $7.50 an hour. donald, nobody can live on that and there are people living on that. >> we're becoming a noncompetitive country. that's the problem. we're becoming noncompetitive. i would love to say make it $50
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an hour. >> i understand you can't do that. >> the best thing for me to say. i'm running for the last four months, first time in my life i'm a politician. i can't believe this. i never respected politicians. now i'm a politician. >> do you have people working for you making $7.50 an hour? no. >> maybe i do somewhere along the line. i got thousands of people. you know what, we have to become competitive with the world. our taxes are too high, our wages are too high. we have to compete with other countries and if we're going to say hey, i just seen in new york where they made it $15. >> our wages are not, you can argue our wages are flat. >> what's going to happen is people are going to start firing people. the old story. it's happened a hundred times. i'm not even saying from that standpoint. we have got to do something to compete with the rest of the world. our country is not competitive anymore. that's why we're losing all of the manufactures. it's currency manipulation and all of those things i talked
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about last night. a lot of currency manipulation. chi china is a tremendous abuser of the united states. i said the other day in the history of the world there has never been a greater theft. china is one of the great bank robbers of all time. >> explain that. >> china has manipulated their currency, taken our jobs, our base, our manufacturing. they've taken so much out of us. hundreds of nothousands of companies. we have lost hundreds of thousands of companies. >> isn't that better for the consumers that yes, maybe china can build something cheaper. but it comes back to us at the end of the day. >> you know what, it's better for china, not better for us. we're losing our jobs, we're losing everything. we can change it. last year, let me, we have to
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have better deals. last year and this year will be almost $500 billion balance with china. $75 billion u.s. trade when you talk about an imbalance with japan. $55 billion with mexico. so 55. it's not actually a loss but it is a loss. i'll tell you it's not a loss. it really sort of is. $55 billion trade of balance with mexico. you can go right down the line. i will take care of that better than anybody. >> trade deals that the obama administration has made, are there any good deals? >> not too many. >> can you name one? >> i can't name one. look at the iran deal. maybe the worst deal i've seen negotiated of any kind o. i'm not talking about between countries. maybe the worst deal i've seen negotiated. the iran deal they get 150 billion, everything they wanted. >> what do you do on day one if you're president of the united
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states? you said before obama has made the deal, trump has to live with the deal. >> the biggest problem with the deal is they're getting now the 150 billion. i can't get it back. no matter how good i do, the money will be gone. i hate that the money is gone. i've always liked money. i hate that the money is gone. $150 billion will be gone. so hopefully, when i get there i'll do such a good job. you'll be so proud. >> really? >> the money is gone. >> okay. so let's talk about money. you have talked about using united states laws to further your business, you've used bankruptcy laws and often to your benefit, what happened to those investors after you filed for bankruptcy? >> wait, wait, wait. let's go back. every major person you've had on this thing in terms of business has done the same thing. >> i disagree, donald. i'm not arguing that. i'm saying what happened to others? >> i've used the laws of the country to make good deals for
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myself and also, i've had hundreds and hundreds of companies. three or four sometimes i've restructured so people could keep their jobs among other things. i've used the laws like other people. i'm not going to mention names but almost every person that sits in front of you has done the same thing. i get more publicity for it. i did one deal where i bought the accompany, a terrible accompany, a friend of mine and i bought it and threw it into the chapter and beat the hell out of the banks, the poor banks and made a good deal out of it. that's called good business. and you do those things. you use the laws of the country, the laws of the land and i did. so have and i could go one, two, three, name the top ten business people you know, i can tell you most of them have done the same thing. >> also, major companies whether it's delta or other companies that's done the same thing.
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>> you look at atlantic city, almost everybody is bankrupt. ceasar's just filed for bankruptcy. many, many top business people. i mean, the top. we do it because it's good. >> you get pounded from all sides. >> first of all, we have a country, we're a country of law and have to abide by certain things. you need boarders. i will build a wall and get the wall paid for by mexico. i did a skit. the president of mexico. >> how exactly do you do that? >> they gave me a $20 billion check. i said it's too much.
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how do you get mexico to pay? >> i'm going to spend seven or it's going to be bigger, better and nicer. mexico is going to pay. when you're losing, we give billions of dollars to mexico. you need the wall. walls do work. all you have to do is call up israel and say how's your wall working? >> how do you deport 12 million? >> you do it because they're illegal and you do it. remember this. in 1952 dwight eisenhower who was a nice man whether people like him, don't like him, remember the expression i like ike like mine's make america great again. i like ike was his expression. dwight eisenhower spent millions of people out illegal
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immigrants. he sent them out. by the way, brought them out, brought them to the boarder and let them go and they came back. >> we're going to dig deeper on break. to close out i have a question for you, the new candidate for canada has pledged to hire 15 men and 15 women. will you make a similar pledge? will you have women in your cabinet? >> i think you know a lot about my accompany. i have 50% women. i'm not one who has to make a pledge. i want the best person at each position. i think you would want to hear that. i want to get the best to endorse me. i'm going to get carl involved in china. carl's a great business man. i'm going to say watch our trade deal.
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it stinks with china. things are getting good with china. i'm going to get the best people for the job. >> all right. we're going to take a quick break. much more with donald trump live from new hampshire. [ applause ] stay with us. plus his sons are going to join us in a few moments as well. we'll be right back with much more morning joe. opportunity has no slow season. no off-days, or downtime. opportunity is everything you make of it. this winter, take advantage of our season's best offers on the latest generation of cadillacs. the 2016 cadillac srx. get this low-mileage lease from around $339 per month, or purchase with 0% apr financing. i absolutely love my new but the rent is outrageous. good thing geico offers affordable renters insurance.
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it's not impossible. it's not embracing american values. it would tear communities apart and send a signal we're not the kind of country i know america is and even having this conversation sends a powerful signal they're doing high fives in the clinton campaign when they hear this. that's the problem with this. we have the win the presidency and the way you win the presidency is the practical plans. lay them out there. what we need to do is allow people to earn legal status where they pay a fine and work
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and don't commit crimes and learn english and over a period of time they earn legal status. that's a proper path. [ applause ] >> okay. our conversation in manchester, new hampshire continues with donald trump. in jeb's terms politically in terms of where we are as a country, you talked about ike and moving a large number of people, i like to dig deeper in the how here. we have racial issues in the country and represent something that's different. did he have a point there and how exactly would you send these people back home? >> everybody has a point. look, we have to do what we have to do and ike did it and other people have done it and in mexico, you want to go into mexico. you get thrown out. i had friends there the other day and they overstayed by a day and the police knocked on the door and said you're over by a
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day. that's the way a country is suppose to be run. >> why aren't we run this way? you made the point last night. >> we have bad leadership. we do. we have bad leadership. the whole thing with the anchor babies. the whole thing with the fourth or fifth amendment, you don't have to go through it. a woman is pregnant and goes over to the border and that baby on our land and now we take care of the baby for the next 85 years. it's not that way. i said it wasn't that way and the legal scholars said it's right. the legal scholars say i'm right. if that happened in moeexico, w had a baby in mexico, mexico would throw you out. mexico is the hardest place to become a citizen of. they're coming in from asia and all over the world. >> i understand what you're
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saying and describing. still tell me the how. are you going to have a massive deportation? >> you're going to have a deportation force and you're going to bring the country, frankly, you have excellent, wonderful people. fantastic people who have been here for a period of time. don't forget you have millions of people that are waiting on a line to come into this country and come in legally. i say the wall, we're going to build the wall and it's going to be a real deal. there's going to be a reel wall. there's going to be a picture of magazines where they're taking drugs over the wall and built a ramp and the truck is going up and down. the wall is like a highway. it's not going to happen. it's going to be a trump wall. a real wall. it's going to stop people and it's going to be good. but your friend thomas called me and said there should be a big door. a big door. i love the expression. there's going to be a big
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beautiful nice door. people are going to come in and come in legally. we have no choice. otherwise, we don't have a country. we don't know how many people. we don't know if it's 8 million, 20 million. we have no idea how many people are in our country and then you see what happened with kate in san francisco and all of the things going on. all of the tremendous crime going on. it cost us 200 billion a year for illegal immigration right now. maybe 250, maybe 300. they don't know when to stop it.
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>> the loudest applause at the debate was when i said this. even i was surprised. the place went wild. tell me the other thing. the people that like it more than anybody are the hispanics here legally. there's a radio host in new york. hispanics love trump. he's talking about his listeners. they came here legally and went through the long process. they came here legally and he's talking about all the people. it's a mihispanic organize any nation. >> in the meantime, i'm leading everybody. i'm beating everybody. we just had a poll come out this morning which is phenomenal and i'm beating hillary clinton in numerous polls. i don't know what to tell you. if you look at romney. he choked. that was an election that should have been won. he choked. frankly, had he energized the
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base -- they're not fans of obama. he for some reason, had they gone out and voted, the people that set back and didn't get up and vote which is hard to believe, he would have won the election. >> how do you unify the party though and get everybody together? how do you unify the party? you said tough things about jeb bush, marco rubio and carson. >> did i stick up for jeb last night? i said let jeb talk. >> he appreciated that. >> was that a nice thing? >> somebody said i only said that with carly. that's false. i said it with kasich. >> john kasich doesn't seem to like you or your policy. >> i think he likes me. he's a nice man. i have no problem with anybody. >> okay. >> okay. we're going to. >> we got a lot more. >> we're going to have mike barnicle and sam join us still
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just reading a washington post store have i about ben carson. i want to ask you about dr. carson, donald. a couple of times you'he's talk about hitting his mom in the head with a hammer and stabbing someone. he actually meant these things happened in his life and faith turned him around. is it fair the way you're characterizing those two events and how important is faith? >> i think faith is very important and i don't want to really get into it with ben because i have a very good relationship but he wrote a thing about going after his mother with a hammer and hitting people in the face with rocks and things like that. >> finding a space. >> i know. but they're pretty severe. i never hit anyone in the head with a hammer. if i did, i was in big trouble.
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no, it was the whole thing. ben understands. he wrote about it. i'm not telling anything new. but i thought it was sort of a strange situation s.. i have a very good relationship with him. best friends. even with jeb he was nicer. i have a good relationship with these people. last night was amazing. you never know what's going to happen. >> last night you and the others spoke about the future of the country and the role in the world. for too many families in this
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state and other states, the future is like this afternoon due to the drug crisis in new hampshire and otherwise heroine. >> heroine in particular. >> so treatment facilities are necessary in this state and other states. treatment facilities cost money, cost less than incarceration, what is your view on how we get more treatment facilities in this state and other states? >> you have to have that. as you know i'm up here a lot. from here we make a speech and we're going to have a lot of fun. i'm in new hampshire and doing great and leading the poles by a lot and having a lot of fun here and i've gotten to know the people and have a lot of friends. people don't realize heroine product, what's going on in terms of heroine in new hampshire. i was surprised when i learned about it to the extent a couple of years ago.
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one of the things about the boarder, this stuff is coming and pouring over the boarder. we have so many people hooked and we have to do clinics and do something to help them. new hampshire has an unbelievable problem, i guess more per capita than any other place. >> just follow and we'll go to sam. you would be willing to spend money to pay for the treatment. >> the treatment facilities. >> it's incredible. you go to other places. up here, i think it's maybe the number one question i get is the heroine. >> the problem is it's cheap and coming in from places like boston and philadelphia. >> the three of us, five of us
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were in wichita last week about criminal justice reform. and the underlying premise is we need to rethink our concepts of the drug wars, incarceration and rehab facilities. you are a tough on crime guy. notably in the 80s and 90s do you have thoughts on your position? >> no. >> okay. what about sentencing and. >> tolerance? >> i'm tough on crime and we have to stop crime. you look at what's going on in the inner cities right now, it's unbelievable when you go to places like chicago. it's all in one section but boy, it's like the wild west. >> or like the three strikes you're out. >> you have to look at it strongly because people are being hurt badly by marijuana and then you have states where it's legal. >> michael. >> the exchange between rand
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paul and marco rubio to me was one of the most important exchanges for the national republican party. it exposed, i think, a deep. what is your view of the tension that exist right now between the traditional view of culting ttt spending and wanting to expand as the hawks want to do, military engagements as well as defense spending? >> well, my view is you have two sections of the party. i will say for the most part the conservative group of people you know well, we're more for we want to strengthen up. the world is looking to kill us. the world is looking to employee us up. we have a lot of problems. for the most part people would not be on the rand paul side of the equation. there's a big faction that wants to get the house in order. i'm very much into the military.
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ization. mike wants to start with a follow up. >> today is veteran's day. if you live in northern new hampshire, western iowa, it could take you hours in a car to get to a v.a. facility to be treated. would you be in a favor of implementing a program where local veterans could go to a doctor or hospital nearest to where they live and get treated and the federal government pick up the tab? >> totally. i think it's less expensive. i came up with that plan last week. we did a policy plan. they wanted policy, i gave them policy. they're waiting six or seven, eight days in a reception room and people are dying to wait for a doctor with little operation or appeal they can live a long life. the vets are being treated horribly. i have a plan that's going to be implemented and going to cost less money. instead of waiting, they're going to go to a local doctor. if they have a seven day wait
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they're going to go to a local doctor or hospital and go in and pay for it and get better and everything's going to be good. i get a standing ovation from the vets and they do polls where vets like me more than anybody else in the world. i feel so badly the way the vets are being treated. they're being treated so badly. by the time they build hospitals and everything else we have hospitals that are half empty. they're go to the doctor and they'll take care of it and pay the bill and they're going to be, it's going to be perfect. they love the plan. >> let's bring in your sons. in the break they were talking about golf. i don't know if your dad has told me about your golf experience. >> she hit one spot. >> she hit one shot over a lake and the rocks in the lake, it's a beautiful lake.
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worst shot she's ever seen. it must have hit nine rocks and it end up in the green. >> i planned the whole thing, okay. >> exactly. >> so let's talk about your dad running for president. what's the biggest misconception? >> he's a guy whose personal and he loves family and he's out there and he's a guy who believes in cutting through red same. >> he's talked about it a lot
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since 2000. did you think he was going to take the jump and why do you think he's been mowing this? >> i think he's fed up with what's going on. he's got a great life. this is something that's taking 100% of his time and it's important for him to see the country get back on track. these are the deals our kids and their kids behind them are going to have to live with frr and he's fed up. he's fed up of the waist, the inefficient si and the stupidity out there. it's great to see the people's reaction to him. they realize he's not a corporate guy. he's a guy like them. >> i'm trying to invision him working with congress and difficult people. it has to make since. he's not going to give if it doesn't make sense.
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>> give a little. >> he's an incredible father. he made us earn it. we worked from a young age and learned the building blocks of the accompany. >> how young were you when you started to work? >> i was 14 working away from home. starting at the bottom. of course, listen, we're the sons of a rich guy. we'll never get full credit. it was so important to him for us to understand the value of a dollar that way we cannot only tell someone what to do but have done it ourselves. >> when about you, when did you start working? >> 11 or 12. we were on construction sites and running wire, laying marble. he really engrained us with construction teams in the country. those are the building blocks. >> so, donald i talk to a lot of people who have become very successful and one of their greatest frustrations seems to
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be the very thing that drove them to be a success, they don't see their children because their children are too spoiled or too soft or too whatever. your three children, everybody talks about how they're hard workers, they work right with you and i always talk about howard stern. a kind of tough audience. talking about your kids say whatever you say about donald trump but he must be a great father because his kids are great. >> look, they're wonderful kids. they went to great schools and did well. they're intelligent. ivanka you know well. those are my three older children. the three have been in business and done a fantastic job. i'm proud of the job they're doing. eric just got back from scotland
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and don is doing things. we're building jobs all overthe world. we have a big one going up between the capitol and the white house. >> how did you keep them close? how did you engrain the worth ethic? >> number one, i think they liked it. maybe that was a little bit of me. if they didn't like it, i wouldn't asked them to do it. if they didn't like it they wouldn't be good at it. i always said no drugs, no alcohol and no cigarette. >> i'll teach you guys some golf moves. thank you very much. thank you as well. great to have you all on board. very interesting today. still ahead another contender for the republican nomination for president, governor chris christie joins the conversation next on morning joe. [ applause ] no matter how fast the markets change, at t. rowe price, our disciplined investment approach remains.
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50 past the hour. joining us from milwaukee, wisconsin, governor chris christie of new jersey. governor, congratulations on your performance last night. >> thanks mika. thanks for having me back on the show. >> so, i wonder, we've been saying this morning, governor, that perhaps actually being in the debate that you were in last night may have allowed you to
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have more time and may actually in the long run work out to your advantage. what are your thoughts on how last night went? >> well, joe, listen, i think that last night went really well for one sim ple reason. i keep my eye on the ball. no matter where they point the cameras i've never had trouble getting attention. i was talking about the things that people really care about in this country and things that people in our party care about, which is defeating hillary clinton. i'm going to keep doing that. after i get done with all of you i'm heading to iowa. we'll spend three days there. after that we'll head to florida. after that we'll head back to where you are in new hampshire. that's the way you win these races as you know. working hard. and when your moments come, to be able to talk to the american people and tell them what your leadership will mean for them. >> bobby jindal went after you repeatedly last night and you never took the bait. why not? >> listen, the bottom line is because i am not running against
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bobby jindal. i'm going to run against hillary clinton. i wanted everybody to know how i would take her on. i think that's the most important question in this primary is who do you think is the best person to stand on that stage and prosecute the case against hillary clinton and her liberal, near socialist vision for america's future. that's what i intend to continue to do. governor jindal is a good friend of mine. he's been a very good governor of louisiana and i have a great deal of respect for him. i am not running against him. i'm running against hillary. >> governor, michael steele here. staying with the jindal perspective for a moment. he referred to you as a big government republican. you are a blue state republican in the northeast. what, for you, defines your leadership going forward? how do you make the country understand what that's like and why it makes a difference for you as president in the white house? >> well, you know michael because you've been in the same kind of circumstance i have been in. fact is i've had to work with
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the other side. despite having a democratic majority in both houses of my legislation we've reduced spending by $2 billion everywhere it was in fiscal year '08. cut the work force 15%. reduced business taxes by $2.3 billion. reformed teacher tenure, capped property taxes, and we reformed pensions and benefits. that's the kind of republican that americans want in washington, d.c., especially because i know how to work with the other side and make things happen. i don't stand in the corner and hold my breath. we're going to get things done because that's what's demanded of us. >> governor, last night a lot of talk about bank regulation and too big to fail. a lot of wall street influence in your state. if we ever got into a situation like 2008 the banks came and said we need a bailout or the economy will tank. would you say no to a bailout?
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>> i think they've had their bailout, sam. i'm sorry. if they didn't learn anything from 2008, sad on them. what i'm concerned about is the way congress went with a meat axe after banking regulation. dodd frank is a disaster. i can tell you as a governor i am watching community banks all over my state close and i'm hearing from other governors experiencing the same thing because the over-regulation by this administration. that secretary clinton supports. is closing community banks. they can't deal with the regulation and the red tape. they can't deal with all of the ridiculous requirements that are not supposed to apply to community banks. they didn't cause the crisis. it was the j.p. morgan chase's and city banks and banks of america. we need to get the community banks back going because they lend money to small businesses across the country and help them to grow. that's what my focus would be on. those folks i hope learned something from the crisis in 2008. if they didn't, sad on them. >> mike barnicle.
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>> governor, you addressed the heroin crisis in new hampshire and elsewhere several times. treatment facilities cost money. very few candidates have addressed the cost of treatment facilities versus incarceration. what's your plan? how much is it going to cost? when would it be implemented? >> well, mike, listen, you can see what we've done in new jersey so far and are continuing to do. the cost of incarcerating a person in new jersey is $49,000 a year. the cost of one year inpatient drug treatment is $24,000 a year. our corrections population in new jersey has gone down 10% in three years. try to find another state where the corrections population is going down. i am taking that money and moving it from corrections and towards treatment. and we'll do the same thing in the federal government. i will establish drug courts in every federal district court in america. we need to do that, and we'll have the same effect on the federal prison population that we've had on the prison population in new jersey and we'll be able to divert the
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money to more treatment and rebuilding families. what every family out there knows, mike, and you've seen and heard it in new hampshire and other places, is that they're one bad decision away from having their family ruined by drugs in this country, whether heroin or prescription drugs. i have seen it, felt it, spoken to people across the country about it. i am going to be the president to take the stigma away from this, the moral judgments away and help families rebuild themselves. >> we heard from jennifer horn earlier on the show that you are really resonating here in new hampshire. governor chris christie, thank you very much. thanks for being on the show again. >> mika, joe, everybody else. thank you for having me in new hampshire. i'll see you in a few days. >> okay! coming up, still plenty to come on the presidential race here on "morning joe." we have senator lindsey graham just ahead. also ahead senator jeanne shaheen throwing her support
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wow! hillary clinton has said that barack obama's policies get an a. really? one in ten people right now aren't working or have given up altogether as you said. that's not an a. one in seven people are living in poverty. that's not an a. one in five children are on food stamps. that is not an a. it may be the best that hillary clinton can do, but it's not the best america can do. [ applause ] >> that was a good moment.
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welcome back to "morning joe." it's wednesday, november 11th, this morning we're live at saint anselm college in manchester, new hampshire. we just had a packed powerhouse hour featuring an exclusive on-set appearance by the man leading the polls in the republican race for president. donald trump. also an interview with governor chris christie who is surging in the granite state. we'll play the important moments from those interviews during this hour as well. with us on set mike barnicle, senior political editor and white house correspondent for "the huffington post" sam stein. msnbc chairman. michael steele. in milwaukee, wisconsin, managing editor at bloomberg politics, mark halperin. >> we were talking a couple hours ago, mike about the debate. most of us believe and your report card seems to show that everybody held serve. as donald trump said, everybody seems to be getting better. nobody really stood out.
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and nobody really fell flat on their face. that said, though, jeb bush's team felt pressure. how do they think they did last night? he had a couple of good minutes. how do they think he did last night? and talk about the call that he had with donors immediately after the debate. >> they're doing another one starting just about now, actually. it's a building block. if jeb bush had had a bad debate last night, i think it would have been hard for him to convince anybody to give additional money to his campaign. he lives to fight another day. right now the game for the other 11 or so candidates is can they become part of a discussion that is now largely about trump and carson, the current frontrunners. and where a lot of the smart money says the surge is coming from as we head towards february, which is marco rubio and ted cruz. bush, despite being written off by some, i think last night puts down a building block to say, like chris christie, like john kasich, that he intends to try to fight his way back in an
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argument to say i can topple those other four guys who right now are best positioned. >> so michael steele, how did jeb do last night? back against the wall. he had to avoid another bad night. >> he did. that's the right way to put it. he lived to fight another day. i think he fought well. he held serve, he did all those things. i think the important thing for me in watching him was he began to find a little bit of his own voice and how he wanted to talk about some things. he felt more comfortable on the stage. as you know and i think a lot of people have concluded he is not very comfortable in this debate setting. he likes the one-on-one town hall deal. he is finding his comfort zone here which is giving comfort to his donors. i still think the smart money, if it is smart, can't discount his campaign regardless of what state they think it's in right now. jeb bush is going to be in this thing come january, february, march and april. >> you think so. >> i think so. i think everyone had better be
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prepared for that. >> sam stein. >> the most ill extrative moment was when he talked about immigration. he gets a fairly robust applause from the conservative crowd. that was interesting. the problem is the same. which is john kasich made the so same point, beat him to the point. jeb -- there is not -- he would benefit from a much smaller field in my opinion. i think he needs to be the more moderate voice in the party. right now he is competing with kasich and christie for that turf. >> i have a question about carly fiorina. i don't know if we can load up some of her performance so we can show a sound bite, joe. i feel like she always answers with precision, with strength, with force, with facts. whether i agree with her or not is not the argument here because i don't on most issues, but in terms of her performance, it's
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always perfect. >> right. >> and yet she -- i am wondering. i am actually wondering is it a gender thing? when all the guys in the room have an idea they're like, hey, joe has a great idea. yet the one woman in the room is actually stronger in many ways than many of the men. >> are you talking about yourself compared to me? >> no, i'm not. and i'm not comparing myself to the precision and poise of carly fiorina. here she is last night. then we'll talk. take a look. >> she did well last night. >> do we have a sound bite? >> yeah. >> we need actually to do five things to really get this economy going again. we need to go to zero base budgeting so we know where every dollar is being spent so we can challenge, cut, move any dollar. we need to go to a three-page tax code. yes there are plans that reform our code to three pages. in addition to rolling back what president obama has done. we need a top-to-bottom review
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of every regulation on the books. that hasn't been done in 50 years. we need to pass the reins act so congress is in charge of regulation. finally, we actually, yes, have to hold government officials accountable for their performance. all this has to be done. and the citizens of this nation must help a president fiorina get it done. we must take our government back. [ applause ] >> thank you. >> mike, i have to say, one of the great mysteries of this campaign thus far has been carly fiorina's performances in every debate. i think they have been well above average. every answer seems to be precise and effective. she had a big surge after i think the second debate, and then sort of slipped back. not exactly sure why that happened, but she always -- she always seems to hit every question out of the park. a bell rang.
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she ignored it. >> she had five things, she named five things and then brought it home. >> she is the only person on that stage who has done nearly all of her life earnings calls which occur in business. every quarter you get on a phone with analysts from around the world and around the country, and you tell those people who are listening to you about your company on an earnings call. why your company will be profitable, why your company is going to grow. the advantages of your company. and she is used to it, and she does it with precision. now, unfortunately for her in her business career, the earnings of her companies didn't do so well. she is totally practiced, far more than the others -- >> there is not one person on that stage without a checkered background in terms -- >> to your point about the gender dynamic. i think there is a gender dynamic. >> there is! >> if i guy did what she did he would never be called out like
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trump did. trump called her out for interrupting him. it would have been laudatory if it was a guy. it would have been deemed aggressive. >> if it was carl fiorina last night would he have won the debate? >> she has held her own in every debate. to your question about what happened after the last one when she got to the big stage and then faded. i think it was an operational malfunction. they kept her out of the story. a lot was happening and she was not in the narrative of the succeeding 30 days. >> she has no campaign whatsoever. she is relying exclusively on her super pac to do the traditional campaign functioningfunctions. >> markhalperin. what happened? she dropped back, had a great performance last night. what are they fighting?
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is it just having trouble finding a niche that she fits in with this electorate? >> look, i agree with mika. we always have to be on guard with female candidates to be wary of judging them by a double standard. as fall turns to winter it's unforgiving. having possibility, having the ability to project forward and say, look, what might be is no longer there. they're metrics. what are you raising? what are you spending on the ground? where are you in the polls? are you signing up supporters? do you have a plausible path on the calendar to win early states? she has not succeeded by those metrics so far. so this unforgiving period does not reward hope. it does not reward good debate performances unless those lead to the metrics increasing, and she has not done that yet. there is still time for sure, but she's got to get overoutsiders. no longer just the outsiders of trump and carson. she has to get over the outsider of cruz and to some extent
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rubio. that's a tall order for anybody right now, regardless of gender. >> let me ask you, mark halperin. about marco rubio. another very good debate performance last night. the last two debates most people said that cruz and rubio did very well for themselves. i saw a long article that we discussed a couple of days ago on marco rubio's lack of -- the very metrics that you are talking about in iowa and some of the early states. does marco face a similar problem, that he has really good debate performances but he is not as organized in iowa and not as organized in south carolina and some of the other states? >> not necessarily going to be as well funded as some of the other people he'll be competing against in february. look, i think the two biggest dynamics in the republican nomination right right now both relate to marco rubio. one, who is going to take him on on issues. ted cruz sent a calling card on sugar subsidies.
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what will take him on and run ads against him? bush, et cetera? the other variable, is he ready for the scrutiny and the political fight. i don't know the answer to the first question. after doing reporting here on the ground in milwaukee, watching him last night, i think the answer to the second question is we might have underestimated his readiness, his team's readiness for the fight that's coming, for the attacks that are coming. >> all right. donald trump joined us last hour for an exclusive interview here on set. we talked about the minimum wage and why he wouldn't raise it. >> last night i heard you say that you would keep the minimum wage as-is. that you would not raise it. explain how that's good for the economy. $7.50 an hour, donald. nobody can live on that. >> we're becoming a non-competitive country. that's the problem. we're becoming non-competitive. i would love to say make it $50 an hour. >> i don't understand you can't
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do that. >> the best thing for me to say -- i'm running all of a sudden for the last four months, first time in my life i'm a politician. i can't believe this. i never respected politicians. >> donald, do you have people working for you making $7.50 an hour? probably no. >> maybe i do. maybe somewhere along the line. i have thousands of people. we have to become competitive with the world. our wages and taxes are too high. everything is too high. we have to compete with other countries. if we're going to say hey -- i see in new york they made it $15. >> our wages are not -- you argue our wages are flat. >> now people will start firing people because they're going to -- the old story. it's happened a hundred times. it's always happening. i'm not even saying from that standpoint, mika. we have to do something to compete with the rest of the world. >> i thought it was interesting. ben carson, who has flip-flopped on a lot of issues, flip-flopped again last night on minimum wage. sam stein. >> yep. >> he's done it on immigration
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and now on minimum wage. he's done it on several other issues to where it's almost like an after-thought. maybe i'll -- >> thinking it through. still thinking it through. >> there is a misconception i think in republican politics that you can't be for a minimum wage hike. mitt romney ran in 2012 on a pledge to index the minimum wage to inflation, which is not what democrats want but it would have been resulted in a minimum wage hike over time. he won the nomination. the competition wasn't that great but he did. i think republican politicians should recognize that you can actually win this thing by promising to increase people's wages. it does poll shockingly well. >> it polls really well. and mike barnicle, in fact, i have seen several polls where the majority of tea party members also support raising the minimum wage. >> i am very surprised that none of the candidates on either side, democrat or republican, have addressed this issue in
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context of what's happening in the country. this is an explosive issue beneath the surface of our culture. because what it stands for is you have a whole generation of people who live paycheck to paycheck. set nothing aside. they can't even afford, many of these people, they can't even afford to dream, to dream the dream that you had when you were 25, 35, just working, to dream the dream for your children, that they were going to do a bit better in this country or in this state or in this city than they had growing up. that dream they can't even dare to dream that dream because they're stuck with a stagnant wage base for ten, 15 years. >> michael steele, who won the debate last night? narrow it down to one person. >> what will the polls say, do you think? >> if you had to narrow it down to one person, i don't think you really could after that. i think it's a rubio/cruz win
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last night. they sort of redefined the next phase. it's going to be almost 30 days plus between now and the next debate. a lot of shaking out. i think they're on firm footing going into the winter months. but the interesting thing is donald trump also -- >> held. >> -- he held. by holding, he won. >> right. >> because everyone, again, joe, as you know -- the expectation is this is all going to come to an end soon. >> it's over. time for him to step out. >> and that's not happening. in fact, i think -- and i think the key thing, because of this economic debate, you look at the numbers beyond the top-line poll. he's got a 40-point spread, donald trump, between him and every other candidate on that stage when it comes to who can best handle the economy. >> in the polls cruz and rubio will surge, trump stays on top and ben carson will lose a little bit. >> i think so. >> still this hour we'll play more of the key moments this morning of our exclusive
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♪ your ticket to a better night's sleep ♪ goodness. 19 past the hour. low polling numbers kept him off the debate stage. that didn't stop lindsey graham from having his say last night. he posted his own commentary and field the questions on the new app side wire. also known as twitter for politics. graham's first post. my advice to candidates tonight. no matter what don't win the
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debate. they'll kick you off the stage! the republican candidate for president. senator lindsey graham joins us here in manchester. good to have you. >> good to be here. >> don't get near joe. he's sick. [ applause ] >> you know, i give you $16 an hour if you clap for me. >> you would raise the minimum wage? >> school is free and you get a car too. >> yeah, exactly. there you go! >> wow! >> they're clapping. >> lindsey found out i had the flu. he said it was because of obamacare. >> you looked at his premiums and got sick. >> you and lindsey talking about a great story, new hampshire politics and what's it like. >> lindsey graham is one of three candidates who i have witnessed personally who enjoy this state and enjoy the epic nature of the new hampshire primary. lindsey graham, john mccain. third was the late, great mo
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udall. he strolls into a barber shop on main street in manchester, introduces himself to the few people -- the few guys in the shop says i'm mo udall. i'm running for president. one guy says, yeah, we know. we were just laughing about that. >> it's a tough state. three of us had it coming and nobody has been president, yet. yet. >> you decided to run this campaign the new hampshire way. >> exactly. >> you've been here as much or more than anybody. >> yes. well, there are two ways to do this. national polling which apparently i am not very good at. the other way is to show up to weddings, funerals. bar mitzvahs, friendly divorces in new hampshire and say here is why i want to be your president. take a look at me and compare me to the other 19 people running and make a good decision based on getting to know all of us. what a novel way to lelect a president, actually talking to
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people. >> what was your thought about the debate last night? a couple moments between rand paul and rubio very telling. donald trump somewhere in the middle. >> this donald on valium. i don't like this at all. >> he says he likes it. >> his supporters -- at 8:00 he is doing an event where i was having breakfast. trump people came over to have photos with me. we love you! i said you're apparently not listening to what i'm saying. about the debate. idealogical pitches. we're going to have a 3.5% tax code, everything the republican dreams of approach and now you have the practical approach. i like jeb when he says it's not practical to deport 11 million people. the tax credits were if no democrats exist. if you want to be president. how about a plan that might actually pass. >> that doesn't get the applause lines. i was thinking about that last night. >> me too. >> the very things we need to do
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to fix this country nobody will say on a debate stage because it doesn't get the applause lines. >> it might actually get you elected. leadership is what i am looking for. we have some articulate candidates. we have differences about the minimum wage with our democratic friends. but the one thing i did not hear last night was a plan to destroy isil. and donald has got a bad deal in the making. he is willing to leave assad in power, which gives syria a run. i am never willing to do that. nobody embraced the idea of how you destroy these guys on the ground. a no-fly zone is a good start, but when will our people realize that you can't destroy isil from the air. america has to be on the ground in syria. if you don't realize that you're not ready for this job. >> how many troops on the ground? >> about 10% of a regional force. how many people in iraq? 30 or 40,000 at least. how do you destroy that army where everybody is willing to die intermingled in a population where you don't want to kill
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everybody in the process of killing them? it means a land force of professional armies, turkey and the arabs with us. if we're not 10% of that force it will fail. >> a skeptic might say -- first of all i'll get rebar mitzvahed to you can show up. >> isn't it tomorrow? >> it's tomorrow. i'll give you the date. a skeptic might say if we put 10,000 u.s. troops there we become a magnet for these people. it's a legitimate point. just like assad's butchery is a magnet for them -- >> -- because we won't bow to islam. there is nothing we've done to create this problem. they have a view of religion that would kill us all simply because we won't bow to islam. this idea that we bring this upon ourselves is a misunderstanding of the war. >> that wasn't my idea. i was saying, if you put troops there you end up making them targets. >> how do you destroy them without troops? do you want to destroy isil?
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do you? let's have a situation discussion. >> it's a law enforcement thing that's going to exist in our universe no matter what. >> i would treat terrorism like an existential threat to our way of life. these are religious nazis. they're decimating christian religion. >> why is that less of an extension threat than terrorism? >> what? >> vastly more people in this country die because of guns, right? the numbers are there. >> so you think that our problem in the country with gun laws is a bigger threat to our way of life than a bunch of terrorists who would kill everybody if you could. boy, you don't understand the enemy. you are a nice fella. listen to what they're doing. they're taking every christian they can find and killing them simply because they're christians. they're doing worst to muslims because they won't agree with their way of life. they would kill everybody in israel if they could get a hold of them. if they had a weapon of mass destruction, they would use it. whatever problems we have with guns pale in comparison.
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these people are religious nazis. would you have said that about the nazis? do you believe they're worse than the nazis, equal to them or not as bad as the nazis? i think they're equal to the nazis and in many ways worse. they want a master religion for the world. the nazis wanted a master race. the wake-up call is coming. they're coming here if we don't stop them there. this is a religious war. we didn't bring it upon ourselves. i don't know why they're crazy but they are. >> 15 years into this war. 15 years. >> this is just a start. >> is this country ready, with the insertion of 10,000 troops into syria, is the country ready for more funerals of american service members for two countries, iraq and syria, that are broken and won't exist much longer? >> the soldiers are ready to go back because the funerals that i worry the most about are unarmed civilians being killed by the thousands. the only reason 3,000 of us died on 9/11, mike, is because they couldn't get the weapons to will
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3 million of us. the soldiers are ready to go back. they want to win. at the end of the day i cannot tell you ho you to defend this nation and destroy isil without a ground force. the ground force, the good news, comes from the region. 90% them, 10% us. if we don't hit them there, they're coming here. how many times do they have to say we want to kill you before we take them serious. look what they're doing with the airliner. i am 99% sure this was a coordinated attack inspired or led by isil and that's just the beginning of what's coming if we don't put them on the run. >> senator lindsey graham. wow! thank you both. thank you, sam. thank you very much for being on with us this morning. >> thank you. this is a good way to start the day. >> you are a breath of fresh air. more of our exclusive interview with donald trump. senator jeanne shaheen joins the political round table. we'll be back with more "morning joe."
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we have to decide what is conservative and what isn't conservative. is it physically conservative to have a trillion dollar expenditure? we're not talking about giving people back their tax money. he's talking about giving people money they didn't pay. it's a welfare transfer payment. add that to marco's plan for a trillion dollars in new military spending, and you get something that looks to me not very
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conservative. >> if you invest that money in a business, you get to write it off your taxes. if you invest it in your children, in the future of america, strengthening your family we're not going to recognize that in our tax code? the family is the most important institution. yes, i do want to rebuild the american military. >> how is it conservative? >> i know rand is a committed isolationist. i am not. i believe the world is a better and smarter place. >> marco. how is it conservative to add a trillion dollar expenditure for the federal government that you're not paying for? >> are you talking about military, rand? >> how is it conservative to add a trillion dollars in military expenditures? you cannot be a conservative if you're going to keep promoting new programs and you're not going to pay for them. i do not think we are any safer from bankruptcy court. as we go further and further into debt we become less and less safe. [ applause ] >> that was -- that was an incredible moment last night. i think that there is a
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question, are you a conservative or do you need to make these expenditures. >> i thought it was good. i thought that cut actually showed rand paul doing very well. marco got a big applause line, though, at the end of it -- >> talking about being safe. >> being pro military. at the same time, though, you almost sense this coming together of a strategy against marco, and that is a big-government republican. he is a neocon. >> how is it different from what we've seen in terms of republicans who have not told the truth about spending? >> right after that episode, of course, you have ted cruz talking about sugar subsidies, which, by the way, marco has been supported by the big sugar forces in south florida. the sugar subsidy costs consumers a lot of money. and it was -- as mark halperin said, it was a calling card that he kind of laid on the desk. >> named it by name.
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>> i think there is a lot of there there as going after marco as big government. >> i say go, marco go. that will not hold up to hillary clinton. >> he has to get through the republican primary first. remember, you're still talking about a broad swath of republicans who did not like the big government republican of the bush years. you spent for wars without accounting for it, you spent for health care programs that they didn't account for. the idea of going back down that road becomes a problem in the conversation for him. rand opened the door. cruz laid down the calling card. now it's game on. >> it's like the medicare drug plan. >> right. >> where you had this multi-trillion-dollar drug benefit but you didn't pay for a dime of it. that's what rand was talking to again. rand paul last night -- i think rand paul spent the past year saying i'm going to be everything to everybody. i agree with you completely, sam. last night was the first time he
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said, okay. if i am going to be around here in a month, i need to connect with my dad's base. i need to connect with my natural base. and i guarantee you, while the people inside the crowd, inside that audience, were cheering for marco talking about another trillion dollars in deficit spending on defense and another trillion dollars in deficit spending on this child care new credit. at the end of the day, sam, rand paul connected with the libertarian pace of tbase of th >> when you have so many candidates running for president you need to find your niche. it has been bizarre to watch senator paul try to be a republican like. it felt like he was saying screw it last night. i'm going to be true to myself as a libertarian. i'm not going to apologize for not wanting foreign
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entanglemen entanglements. >> rubio will go up in the polls. that's fine with me. that will work well for the democrats. earlier we talked to donald trump about this very question in our exclusive interview. let's talk about policy. big battle over what the united states should and shouldn't do, the republican party obviously has been run by neocons over the past decade. you add marco rubio on one side of the debate who wants to spend a trillion dollars more on national defense and wants to be -- he is a neocon. on the other side you had rand paul. >> right. >> where exactly do you stand between those two polar opposites? >> i would say i am the most militaristic person on that stage, but i also know when to do it. you saw that. i tell the story about you where you almost fell over when in my book, that was written in 2000, prior to the world trade center coming down, i was talking did osama bin laden was going to come onto our shores and we better be careful.
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joe said when was that book written and you couldn't believe it was written beforehand. it was amazing. it depends on where. we have to be top-of-the-line military. it's a great expenditure because the more we spend the less we have to use it, the way i look at it. >> right. >> people are looking at us right now as weak, ineffective, we don't know what we're doing. we don't have strong leadership. they have a lot of bad things going. >> you say that the united states should not be the world's policemen. >> joe, we owe $19 trillion. >> does that put you in line with where barack obama is as far as leading from behind? >> i think i'm a little bit more on the let's go side than that. at the same time i love the fact that, look, putin is bombing the hell out of somebody. the people he's bombing right now have to be isis to a certain extent. they just probably blew up his airplane. it was a russian plane and it went down. i assume it was a bomb. i don't think they want to say it but it looks like it was a bomb.
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having putin dropping bombs on isis is a positive thing. we don't have to do 100% of the bombing. >> jeb bush says that that's reckless and irresponsible. >> i think it's irresponsible for us to get bogged down in syria and maybe let's end up with world war iii over syria where we don't want to be in the first place and you have a migration with millions of people coming out going all over the world. nobody knows what's happening. assad is a bad guy. but we're backing people who we don't know who the hell they are. this is another libya deal. we don't even know who they are, joe. giving billions of dollars worth of stuff and they're getting the hell knocked out of them anyway. i spoke to a general two weeks ago who is up on it. he said, donald, we have no idea who those people are that we're giving all this stuff to. if assad gets knocked off. let's say he gets knocked off. what do we have? we don't know if it's going to be worse than assad. so what are we doing? we shouldn't have gone into
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iraq. we destabilized the entire middle east by doing it. isis now because of that. we have isis. look at libya. libya, gadhafi. it's ten times worse now than with him. we owe $19 trillion. bridges and roadways are falling down. i travel all over the world. i see airports like cathedrals. >> singapore. >> then you land at laguardia and you have potholes on the runway. the place is falling apart. >> mike barnicle, a couple weeks ago somebody on this show said he was the archie bunker billionaire. i guarantee you, from the americans that i have spoken with over the years, and i am sure you've heard the same thing, so many actually are saying what donald trump is saying right now, that, of course, would drive a lot of the conservative think-tanks in
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washington, d.c., crazy but it's like, let putin do it. we're everywhere. we've been fighting wars for 15 years. let's -- let's let somebody else do it. that's a radical -- that is a radical statement for the republican party in 2015, what trump is saying right there. but listening to our conversation with lindsey graham, i -- i mean, i just know there are a lot of americans that are exhausted that are saying, we've already been at war for 15 years. we don't want to be at war another 15. >> donald actually touched on a critical point during the course of that conversation he had with you. it is this. if you talk to people in the intelligence community, military community, over the past several days, the bombing of this airliner, the russian airliner, they are hopeful follow cause putin's reaction and the russian military's reaction on the ground in syria to cease and desist from attacking rebel groups in syria and focus
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christie, from the gop undercard debate targeting the democratic frontrunner, hillary clinton. joining us now senator jeanne shaheen of new hampshire who last month officially endorsed clinton for president. good to have you. >> thank you. nice to have you in new hampshire. >> let's talk about hillary clinton. you heard chris christie going after her last night, probably appealing to his base in a big way. how is your candidate doing? and i mean specifically does she have enough competition along the way to get her ready for the big stage to go up against someone like chris christie or someone else? because that evolution is important. you have seen chris christie get better because he's had hand-to-hand combat and come up here for town hall after town hall. will she be ready? >> well, i think chris christie probably forgets that what hillary clinton remembers, which is that when her husband was president, we actually did balance the budget in this country. and unfortunately we haven't done that in previous republican presidents. i think she understands the need
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to be physically conservative, to make sure that government is effective and we're spending our money well. and she is having that debate in this primary fight against bernie sanders. i think she will be ready for whoever the republicans nominate. we've seen polls that show that she is actually ahead of all the republican candidates right now. >> how would she do against marco rubio on policy in a debate? >> again, i think she'll beat whoever the republicans put up because she is talking about what everybody cares about in this country. how we create jobs. how we make sure parents can afford to send their kids to college. the high cost of student debt. what to do to make sure women get equal pay for equal work, how we keep this country safe. in new hampshire she is talking about something that we all really care a lot about, which is the heroin and opioid epidemic which is ravaging new hampshire and so many other states. >> we'll talk about that in one minute. i'll ask you because i asked
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donald trump and ben carson. i'll ask you the question of bernie sanders. is bernie sanders qualified to be commander in chief? >> well, i think bernie sanders is running an effective campaign. he has a vision for this country. it's not a vision that i completely share, but i think he is raising important issues that are important to the country, talking about how we make sure that the middle class has opportunities again and how they can make sure that their kids have a better life than they do. >> is he qualified to -- you think he would be a good president? is he qualified to be president of the united states? >> i think he is. he is certainly as qualified as ben carson and donald trump and many on the republican side. >> right. well, that's why i asked donald trump the question i asked him. i'm asking you on the democratic side. a lot of people think he is too liberal, that he is a socialist. in fact, claire mccaskill came on the show and said he is far too left to be president. >> he is to the left of where i am. but, you know, that's for the people to decide. who they want to choose. >> what's happening in new
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hampshire? explain -- you've been governor here. obviously you've been senator here. where did the heroin epidemic come from? why is it hitting new hampshire disproportionately. >> it's because people are getting hooked on opioids, on pain medication. one in ten people who takes opioids gets hooked on them. once they get hooked, it's a lot cheaper and easier to get heroin than it is to get prescription drugs. this is an epidemic that we have to fight on all fronts. law enforcement, treatment. we have to make sure that people are educated about the challenge. we have to get our medical community involved because we are losing one person, on average, a day in new hampshire from drug abuse. >> so your candidate is obviously prepared on policy. i wouldn't disagree with that at all. and i would support her fallull. i'm wondering about being nimble and ready to go. she faced criticism offafter
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laughing off a man at an event yesterday who said something about strangling carly fiorina or something. >> she laid off over 40,000 people. she says she is a great ceo. every time i see her on tv i want to reach through and strangle her. you know, i know that doesn't sound very nice, but -- >> i wouldn't mess with you. >> i actually think she handled it well. a lot of people are giving her criticism for that. that's the first time i saw it. did that seem so bad to you? >> it's very easy to judge people when you're looking at it over and over again. i would hope that, if somebody said they wanted to strangle an opponent that i would do something -- >> i want to strangle you all the time. nobody says anything bad about me when i say that. >> that's because nobody wants to stand up and defend me. >> but that was actually -- i
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was told that she is getting a lot of criticism for that, and i thought i would see something different. quite frankly, to be really transparent, i don't see a problem. i thought she was kind of funny. >> i don't see an issue with that either. he is speaking to the challenge of losing jobs, and that's what people really care about. but listen, a month ago people were saying hillary's campaign is in the ditch, it's not going to be able to resurrect itself. she does done a great job. she comes out fighting when she is behind. she does the best. talking to voters one at a time talking about what they care about. that's going to make a difference. >> you might remember new hampshire. i do. >> i have a question. one of the things that she has been talking about is funding planned parenthood, for instance. in mid-december you're supposed to pass an appropriations bill to fund the government. there are threats, or talk i should say, of a rider on de-funding planned parenthood
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being put in there. do you think, are you confident that the government will not shut down? >> i believe that the republicans learned a lesson from 2013 when they shut down the government over trying to repeal the affordable care act. i don't believe they're going to do it again. i'm certainly going to oppose any attempt to de-fund planned parenthood because we have thousands of women in new hampshire who get their health care through planned parenthood, and without that they wouldn't be able to get health care. >> so you think they'll cave. >> i would think it's in their interest to do that. we don't want to shut down the government. we have an agreement on a budget, and we need to go forward and get this done. >> senator jeanne shaheen, thank you so much. great to have you on the show. back live from manchester, new hampshire. we wi keep it here on "morning joe."
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