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hi, everybody. i'm kate snow. here's what we're following this hour. the ntsb about to brief on what investigators have learning about the deadly fiery crash, a business jet slamming into an akron apartment complex. plus, thedy after the debate, how the candidates are talking about what happened last night. donald trump talks about a wide range of issues with our "morning joe" team. we're tracking several serious weather systems in the country. millions in the path of potential tornadoes and blizzard conditions. but we begin this hour again with a msnbc exclusive investigation. msnbc chief legal correspondent ari melber back again with an eye opening report of virginia with the police videos airing for the first time this afternoon. only here on msnbc. ari? >> that's right. we obtained 80 minutes of new
police and hospital videos shot from five different cameras and showing every moment of a police interaction that began with a ride to the hospital and ended in the death of a handcuffed virginia man in police custody happening in a town called south boston in southern virginia. not far from the north carolina border. and the new videos have never been seen before today. they show this deadly 2013 incident in graphic detail. the subject of a lawsuit against police that will be in federal court tomorrow. now these videos are edited and includes audioings and a warning. some of the video you are about to see is graphic. police video shows this handcuffed man repeatedly tased outside a virginia hospital before dying in police custody. >> we're taking a little ride. >> reporter: the police brought him to the hospital but they never took him inside for help. for linwood lambert's family, it is an agonizing mystery until
now. new video obtained exclusively by msnbc shows every moment of a hospital trip that turned deadly. police ruled caution against repeat tasings and officers tased lambert at the door to the e.r. again as he lay on the ground. and then again in the squad car. discharging 20 tasings including while he was restrained. a violation of their own rules. the incident unfolded in about an hour. it all began during an early morning in may two years ago. police responded to a disturbance call and said they found lambert in a trashedhalli paranoid. >> officers told him to come to the hospital. handcuffing him and stressing he was not under arrest. >> not locking you up. what we're doing here is taking
you to the emergency room. >> enroute to the e.r. >> lambert kicks out the car window. >> quit kicking the window! >> reporter: and runs from the car towards the e.r. entrance. the officers tase him. >> every time you get up i'm going to pop you. >> i didn't do nothing. >> stop. >> i'm going the light you up again. roll over. roll over. >> roll over. >> okay. >> reporter: they shackled his legs. lambert pleads with the officers and tells them he did cocaine. >> i just did cocaine, man. why are you trying to kill me, man? >> reporter: instead of taking him into the e.r. they put him under arrest and drag him back into the car. >> do it now. do it now! >> reporter: lambert slumps down, his hands and feet bound. the officers tell him to sit up and tase him again. >> get your ass up and act like you got some sense. >> sit up or i'll tase you again. >> reporter: a single tasing is
50,000 volts of electricity. federal guidelines warn multiple tasings may increase the risk of death or serious injury. yet nurses reported seeing three officers tasing the patient at one time. and the officers discharged their tasers 20 times in half an hour according to taser company logs. not every discharge automatically reaches the suspect. arriving at the jail, lambert appears unconscious. officers check his pulse. >> hey! lambert! >> reporter: later on, the same hospital surveillance camera shows the body brought back to the e.r. dead on arrival at 6:06 a.m., roughly an hour after police first took lambert from the hotel. the videos were not seen by lambert's family until just a few weeks ago. the extent of the tasing never reported and now you may be wondering is this excessive force? we want the show you the
context. south boston police department rules state tasing is no longer justified once a subject is restrained. the justice department has guidelines that warn multiple tasings to increase the risk of death or serious injury and obtained the autopsy and taser wounds and acute cocaine intoxication is the cause of death. the lawsuit from lambert's family argues basically an independent medical exam would reach a different conclusion viewing the video that we just aired. south boston police declined to comment but they said the use of force is justify because lambert destroyed property and was a danger to others. there's a criminal inquiry that's open. now, in the meantime, the last thing i can tell you, all three of those officers have been promoted. >> ari, there's so many questions. for people just seeing this for the first time, it's hard to process all of it seeing it play
out on videotape. the bottom line is they were transporting him to a hospital. and he never actually went inside the hospital. is that right? >> that's exactly right. this all began not with him as a criminal suspect or accused of anything or even under arrest. what you see there, that car where he's running, running towards the e.r. door. they said we'll get you medical help. then the tasing occurs. first there and restraining him and then on the ground there and walking him back to the car. the only time he ever passed through those e.r. doors was when he was flat line on arrival back at 6:06 a.m. that night. >> you mentioned the civil suit by his family but criminally speaking, these officers not charged with any wrongdoing. not even been disciplined by the department? as far as you know. >> no. promoted is what we -- >> promoted. is there any possibility that there could be more of a criminal investigation? or that someone could be charged with a crime? >> i have new reporting on that. i spoke this week to the virginia state police.
they say they conducted this investigation at the request of the chief of police who oversees the officers and say they turned the findings over to prosecutors for final review. another interesting thing i found in this investigation, in the police files we know that one officer in march of 2015 this year said that the local prosecutor told them, the police, that she felt that the officers had no criminal fault for lambert's death. that would mean leading to no charges. now, i want to be clear because i have one more piece of reporting new today. i called that prosecutor. i spoke to her. she doesn't dispute that an officer wrote that but this is new to me about our msnbc investigation. she basically said, the investigation remains open in my office. it would be premature to comment on a preliminary opinion when the invest is still pending and will withhold a final judgment until that investigation is complete. two and a half years later,
still open. >> open. possibility of more action and we don't know. >> we just don't know. >> on the police said, we were talking about how in depth this has been and read through the filings. >> yeah. >> you have seen what the police say in their defense. what do they say? >> the officers in their court papers defense and in depositions make a couple of arguments. number one, the medical care question, they did want to do it and called it in and he essentially committed several crimes in front of them. including the breaking of that glass window we have shown on the air today and they said -- >> backseat of the patrol car. >> they say that's what changed it from the initial intent to get him into the hospital and get him back to the jail. in depositions they also say a mix of things. one officer says, look, he didn't seem that injured at the time. asked where they didn't bring him in for urgent care. he said, quote, he needed more like a band aid and he could get that care back at the jailhouse where there's a nurse. >> and there was an officer who made a comment about him
bleeding? >> that's correct. in addition to everything we have shown, that's an additional detail we have again from these recordings. police tapes and hospital footage. one officer as he's being removed, lambert is removed, where we showed taken away from the e.r. an officer is recorded on tape saying to a hospital worker, that lambert is, quote, bleeding like a hog. >> i want to bring in jim cavanaugh, msnbc law enforcement analyst. jim, haufed a chance to review the tapes with ari. as a former law enforcement agent, your reaction? >> well, law enforcement, kate, in america handles people like this every day, every week, every month. anybody as a uniformed officer, i have, anybody that handled people like this, severe mental distress, bezerk, sometimes on narcotics or a mental issue. and you restrain them and take them to the emergency room. it is not an unusual police response. if you have friends in law enforcement, i can guarantee you asking them they tell you they
have handled people like this. and the sad part about the case, and ari and jamie did such a great job thoroughly reviewing it, i have looked at the tapes. the police initially do a good job. they get the man restrained, not criminally charged and get him to the emergency room and on the ride he's delusional. i mean, he is talking about crazy things, he was talking about bodies buried in the ceiling of the hotel room when they got him. they knew he was in mental distress and taking him there. and so, their initial capture of him after they should have seat belted him in and a mistake and after they take him to the hospital, that could be justified use of force but once on the ground and handcuffed and they repeatedly, repeatedly taser him, it's just excessive. kate, he can't shoot them. he can't stab them. he can't hit them with a weapon. he can't punch them in the face.
he is on the ground handcuffed behind his back. he can't kick them if they stand two feet away. he can't get up and run because there are three officers to just push him down with their hands. so no one's in any physical danger of being injured on the ground handcuffed. to reason for an intermediate taser. could you hit him with a nightstick sitting handcuffed on the sidewalk? no. and then when he's brought back at ari points out to the radio car, now the feet shackled and the appropriate thing to do and should have been taken in to see a physician and tasered again. shackled, hand and feet. and in the back of a radio car which has a cage in it. no justification to taser a man in that situation. and the worst thing i think is just to take him away from the medical care. he desperately, desperately needed to see that emergency room physician. >> let me ask you, jim. you know, from a law enforcement perspective, one of the things people viewing this might say is, well, on his way in to the
e.r. running, fleeing. he could be a danger. does that mean from a policing perspective that he is forfeited the option of getting care. basically, the only option now to go to jail? what is in your view the right policing approach? >> no. i mean, i have held them down in the emergency room and gurney and strap them this. while they're kicking and screaming and spitting and blood wherever an enthe doctors trying to deal with them. policemen know that happens. first duties to get him a medical care. criminal charges for breaking a window of a cruiser, that's about as minor as it gets. you don't take the man away from medical care far that. that's a huge mistake. it goes back to the leadership on the scene, the ranking officer should have made that decision. and they should have backed off him once he was on the ground there. they -- here's what they should have done if you want to know the answer to the question. they should have done what they did in the end. they shackled his feet.
that's the right move without the tasing and then walked the physician out to see him. >> jim, thank you so much for your perspective. ari, it's not -- not to be lost in all of this is that there's a family who's lost someone and they've now filed suit. what are they looking for? recap where we're at now. >> they filed suit and this suit is only way they have saw the video. talk about the family perspective, they received a call that lambert you see there on the screen, the 46-year-old, he died in police custody without much other detail and told it was an overdose. they weren't told initially that there was this level of tasing or provided the videos voluntarily and followed suit and then only this summer through the suit did the videos overturned to them over court order and seeking essentially the civil remedy and then the criminal case is separate and open and two and a half years into it, two prosecutors involved and i spoke to one of them several times and investigating this and say it's
an open investigation. >> tomorrow what happens in a courtroom? >> there is a hearing tomorrow. it's procedural hearing and another step in the case that's in discovery and basically means that you have information going back and forth and people sitting for depositions. that's where officers are under oath and others talking about it. ultimately the question is what comes of it? if anything in here is objectionable. what they're debating, what comes of it? if anything was found to be inappropriate or illegal in the criminal context, the prosecutor want to charge? whether that is for the denial of medical care, an obligation legally, or whether there's a view from the prosecutor's side that this was potentially illegal excessive force. that's a legal decision that has yet to be finally made down in virginia. >> ari melber, once again, with tape that is are just coming out today. >> today. >> here on msnbc. ongoing case and you'll be back at the top of the hour with more. we'll speak with lambert's sister.
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donald trump dropped by "morning joe" for an extended conversation, more of that interview soon. jeb bush served coffee to veterans in iowa. he also picked up the endorsement of '96 republican dom knee bob dole. >> i thought it was fine and i did well, talked about issues important to people. we need to start thinking about the person to beat hillary clinton. rather than trying to get into small differences between each campaign. >> also in iowa today, rubio who met with voters and talked about being in the limelight. >> a few hours ago on that stage, i still have remnants of the makeup on. we had a great night last night and enjoyed being a part of that debate. >> we have coverage of all of the action and nbc's katy tur in new hampshire and let's go to hallie jackson in columbia, south carolina. when's been the reaction today,
24 hours not even after the debate? >> reporter: it's interesting, kate, because unlike the other debates seeming to see somebody surging, somebody sinking, this one the conventional wisdom seems to be it's kind of status quo. the folks to do well did well. the people who had strong performances in the past namely rubio, cruz, rand paul did show up with a stronger performance than in the past an jeb bush also able to at first read put it stop the bleeding. show that he is in it, the donors to fight. he was able to get in and mix it up. we're here obviously in south carolina for one of as you can tell rubio's events later on tonight and flying here from iowa hitting some of the early states and a victory lap after a lot of television and radio this morning talking about the performance. and one of the thing that is he talked about last night to be a moment is that idea that welders make more than if i lphilosophe.
it comes up regularly on the stump speech. there's fact checking done that maybe that's not quite right. but he got into it in iowa and listen to what he had to say about that. >> i said it last night. a welder makes more than a philosopher. and it's a lot easier to find a job, there are a lot more openings for welders than philosophers in america. the market has tightened over the last 2,000 years. i'm going to tell you right now, i'm not going to win the philosophy vote in america. >> reporter: bottom line, kate, i spoke with a republican analyst today saying that essentially this debate is not going to do necessarily to change the standings in the race but in some conversations that i have had with campaign officials from multiple campaigns, it feels like it's new phase in the race. we have to get through the holidays, candidates hoping to get momentum and see television ad buys out potentially from the
d campaigns. >> thank you so much. topic of immigration was a flash point last night. especially when ohio governor kasich ridiculed donald trump's plan to deport undocumented immigrants from the country. trump responded with a historical response. >> we know you can't pick them up and ship them across, back across the border. it's silly argument. >> dwight eisenhower. you don't get nicer, you don't get friendlier. they moved a million and a half people out. we have no choice. >> i want to bring in katy tur covering the trump campaign. picking it up there, katy, a deportation effort in the '50s under eisenhower. >> reporter: he references it a lot on the trail, rallies and last night in the debate and this morning only "morning joe." as you said, it's a '50s
operation of eisenhower that deported about a million mexican immigrants from the country and put them back or sent them back to mexico and controversial. what he doesn't talk about is what that operation was called. that's because it was called "operation wetback." which is a really ugly term for mexican immigrants in this country today. he also doesn't talk about how it was implemented and that's controversial also. many cases they dropped some of these immigrants off in the mexican desert. 88 of them died of heat stroke. others shipped away on cargo ships, ships likened to 18th century slave ships. there was a muttny on a ship. others ripped away from homes and belongings and left in places in mexico they had never been before. i asked donald trump about all of these implementations today and whether his plan is different. he's often said that the plan is humane. i tried to get specific with
him. here's how he responded. >> you said your deportation plan is humane. >> totally. >> you reference the 1950s plan. they were dropping them off in the middle of the desert. heat stroke. others shipped off on cargo ships under hellish conditions. how would your plan be different? >> very humanely done. >> how? >> very important. it's a management thing. called good management. >> reporter: good management. now, i can tell you in the past that trump said he would triple the number of i.c.e. employees and a deportation force this morning on "morning joe" but still no specifics as to how he would actually get it done. whether or not there would be people knocking on doors across this country. or somehow trying to find all of these undocumented workers.
donald trump believes more than 11 million and the u.s. can't account for. how to go about finding the people and get them out of the country and ripping them away from loved one who is are american citizens remains to be seen. kate? >> stay with us if you will. donald trump stopped by "morning joe" this morning to talk about his debate rivals, ben carson, as well as mitt romney. and lessons of the 2012 election. >> you look at romney, now romney choked. okay? he choked like a dog. that was an election that should have been won. he choked. but frankly, had he energized the base, because the base didn't go out and vote. you understand that. which is shocking. because they're not fans of obama. he for some reason they didn't do it. had they gone out and voted, the people that sat back and didn't get up and vote, he would have won the election. >> how do you unify the party, though? get everybody together. how do you unify the party if
you've said some very tough things about jeb bush, marco rubio, about ben carson. >> you know what? did i stick up for jeb last night? i said, let jeb talk. >> he appreciated this. >> was that a nice thing? >> why didn't -- >> some said i said it only with carly. that's false. i said it with kasich. he's a nice -- honestly. >> te doesn't seem to like you or your policies. >> i think he's a nice guy. >> how important is faith for someone who wants to lead a nation? >> i think faith is very important and, you know, i'm a protestant. i 'em a presbyterian. faith is important. i don't want to get into it with ben. i have a very good relationship. he wrote a whole thing about with the hammer and going after his mother with a hammer and hitting people in the face with locks and things like this. >> finding a -- >> i know. i know. but they're pretty severe. i never went after my mother with a hammer that i can tell you. if i did, i was in big trouble.
i was in big trouble. but no. i mean, it was a whole thing. ben understands. he wrote about it. i'm not telling anything that's like new. but i thought it was sort of strange situation. >> katy tur's still with us on the trump beat and also mark murray, nbc news senior political editor. mark, let's start with you. he says i don't n't to go after ben carson and then proceeds to tell the story about ben carson and his mom. is this a trump on attack or not on attack? >> it is a trump on attack and also a trump in which we've seen in the campaign over five months in which you end up having a big event like a debate last night and then all of a sudden he's bombarding the media with a town hall and speaking to katy tur later in the day, more events tomorrow and so what ends up -- donald trump is being able to do in a secret to his success is he floods the media's own. he's everywhere talking about everything and a talent in this race that he's had is distill
attack on somebody in a sentence better than advertising gurus and strategist that is we often see making the tv ads and hit them left and right and we saw donald trump doing that this morning on "morning joe." in some ways this is a much better format for him than a debate when you're competing against seven or eight or nine other republicans. >> katy, he talked about a lot of subjects with "morning joe" and one interesting about minimum wage and he defends last night in the debate and doesn't want to see a rise in the minimum wage. why that? >> reporter: he thinks that it would lead to people laying off their workers that they would not be able to afford it and talks on trail about becoming competitive again with foreign governments and countries, china specifically and saying we're killed this ohm on trade deals and also paying their workers so little that american governments, american corporations can't compete with that. that's why he's trying to bring the jobs back from china and
trying to force them into back to negotiating table by calling team currency manipulator. mika tried to press him on this this morning saying people are living off of minimum wage jobs and $7.50 an hour and fast food workers and can't find work and second jobs and living below the poverty line. trump seemed to brush that off this morning and saying this morning it is possible of people within his own corporation that are earning minimum wage. i mean, the thing about trump and others that don't support the hike is seeing it as an entry-level job. one you move on from, one you end up making more down the line and for a lot of people in this country, those minimum wage jobs are jobs they have their entire lives because they don't have the education that will move them past that. kate? >> katy, mark, thank you. straight ahead, new details from the ntsb about that deadly plane crash in ohio.
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a key factor in this incident. they say they're looking closely at that. at the time of the accident, the crash which is just before 3:00 yesterday afternoon, it was raining lightly. the clouds were low. the ceiling only about 400 feet. and visibility was just a little more than a mile. the plane according to witnesses sort of emerged suddenly from the clouds. it was banking slightly to the left as you heard her describe the left wing dug into the ground and looking into all sorts of factors but weather does seem to be the key. this plane with seven passengers, all of them worked for a commercial property management firm in boca raton, florida, traveling around the midwest looking at properties. they'd had a full day on monday. stops in minnesota, iowa and missouri before going on to cincinnati. they woke up tuesday morning in
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university with the latest. sarah, hi again. >> reporter: hi, kate. the campus shaken and open and operating following this threat which told students not to come to school tomorrow and specifically mentioned targeting african-americans. some students were shaken enough to pack up and actually leave campus. others opted not to go to class today. >> i can't believe this is happening here. because i'm -- well, one, you're supposed to go to college to learn. we're too afraid to go to classes. >> reporter: police arrested this 19-year-old hunter park about two hours south of here at the university of missouri raleigh campus. he is charged with making a terrorist threat. currently being held without bail and he'll make a dirs appearance in court tomorrow. meanwhile, back here on campus in columbia, missouri, security still on high alert. they have brought in extra personnel today and the founders of that app where the threats
were posted are weighing in. they said they hope their app can be a platform for positive dialogue, kate. moving forward. >> sarah, for those of us older and don't know what yik yak is, that's a real social media tool used on that campus, right? >> reporter: yeah. that's true. it groups you in locations and it's appeal to people is that it's anonymous. there's no avatar, no identifying features with your message. free to post whatever you want. the key is that though you think it's anonymously, you're not. they're able to trace you and they have done it in other cases besides this one. the founders of the app or the organizers working with law enforcement to track down people who make threats, threats towards the safety of others. so it's been interesting to follow it today and hear the differing opinions of what's transpired and of the last 24
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letters to fan duel and draft kings saying the operations constitute illegal gambling. the attorney general's office telling nbc news it is clear that draft kings and fan duel are the leaders of a massive scheme intended to evade the law and fleece sports fans across the country. >> fantasy football. >> reporter: both companies sent $100 million in advertising and earlier this year fan duel announced it was signing up 20,000 to 30,000 players every day. >> more money, more winners than any other site. >> reporter: a spokesperson for draft kings said fantasy sports were not gambling but a game of skill and new york's actions today are an unfortunate example of a state government's stifling innovation, technology and entrepreneurship and the latest action taken against the industry. in october, nevada gaming officials ruled that companies like fan duel and draft kings should be considered gambling,
leading some to say it's a safe bet more states will follow suit. >> at minimum, allowed to continue, you are going to see more disclosure and more warnings. i think the days of daily fantasy sports as we know it are numbered. >> willie geist reporting there. thanks to willie. both companies have the option to take this matter to court. and have five days to respond to the new york attorney general's letter. fan duel accused the attorney general of seeking media coverage. quote, we have operated openly and lawfully in new york for several years and the only thing that changed was the attorney general's mind. both companies allowing people from the state to play. comcast and nbc sports are among the investors in fan duel. joining me now is democratic new jersey representative frank pa lo
palone. good to see you, congressman. >> you, too. >> you are from new jersey, the monmouth area. i have been to the track there. are you calling for hearings because you don't want the competition with the websites? >> no. it's actually the opposite. i think that we should have a sports betting and fantasy sports and totally legal. but the problem as you know is that the sports leagues have invested heavily in fantasy sports saying it's illegal and then oppose it in general in new jersey and elsewhere and very hypocritical on their part continuing to make money on fantasy sports and say it's not gaming when it is and yet they oppose it in general so that's my concern. >> they what they argue is that these sites are games of skill. that's what they call them. player vs to pour over pages and pages of statistics and, you know, look really into their teams and the weather and everything else to try to decide the fantasy team to look like. don't you buy that argument? >> of course not.
they say that with the carve-out of games of skill in the case of fantasy sport. if they admit it's gaming, they have to say it's illegal like sports betting. the point is that this should be legal and regulated by the government government or the state to protect consumers. attorney general is right saying that the fans are not being -- those who participate are not protected because it's not regulated. you don't know -- you don't have a guarantee what you're betting on is giving you a true return or the advertising and whether the advertising is legitimate and needs to be regulated and should all be made legal. >> your governor chris christie last week talked about this issue and suggested that government has no role in this. let's take a listen. oh, we don't have that sound bite. you remember this from the debate last week saying there's not a federal government
solution to every problem in america. like fantasy football, the debate question, the's no government solution to that. he's suggesting that government doesn't have a role. why are states trying to regulate >> it's very important, i think, that those who participate know that it's fair play. and right now it isn't, because we don't know what's going on with fantasy sports. it needs to be brought out of the shadows. like any sports betting, it should be legal in any state that wants to do it. but it should be regulated so that there's fair play. >> one of the congressmen tweeted out last night, saying your decision so daily fantasy sports is another blatant grab for headlines at the expense of new yorkers' personal freedoms.
so there's a division here on capitol hill about this? >> i understand where he's coming from, but he's wrong. when you play, you have to have transparency, that you know what you're betting. that's not the case now. it's true for casino gambling, for the lottery and other types of gaming. but you don't with fantasy sports. you know there's been allegations of insider information that's been used so that the players have played on each other's. the employees have played on each other's sites and take advantage of it. and that's not fair to the person who is playing. >> so seven states now have banned these daily fantasy sports sites. would you want to see them banned across the entire nation, you want a federal law? >> i want it to be legal. i want sports betting in general to be illegal. i want the sports leagues to
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concerned. here's the tornado watch. we've had reports of 8 to 12 inches of snow across the rockies. closer to the ground, sea level, about 2 to 4 inches of snow. winds gusting 60 miles per hour so it's the blowing snow that creates the low visibility. now on the flip side of this, we do have this tornado watch in effect and look at all the severe thunderstorm watches and warnings in yellow here. we've also had some tornado warnings and also some spotty tornadoes through iowa. this is going to be the story as we go through the rest of tonight. we have the threat of strong storms that could produce isolated tornadoes. this will remain a threat through the night, but the snow on the back side of it will start to wind down as this storm system moves to the east. as the rain winds down through the midwest and the great lakes as we go into wednesday night and tomorrow morning, we still
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i'm kate snow, and we start this hour of msnbc with an msnbc exclusive investigation, the story of a virginia man who died in police custody after being repeatedly tased outside a local hospital. it happened two years ago, but msnbc obtained the video and we are airing it for the first time today. ari melber broke the story. he's back with us again with more on the investigation. ari? >> thank you, kate. time today, ray died in police custody after he was taken in order to get medical care, to an e.r., but was never brought inside. what you see is him at the doorway to a virginia hospital being tased repeatedly by police. we'll talk live to his sister gwendolyn smalls. tomorrow there's a hearing on the case in federal court. now, first, a little more on our
investigation. our team went through 80 minutes of police and hospital tape. the footage shot from five cameras, showing every minute of this trip to the hospital that ended in lambert's death. he was tased in three separate sequences over a relatively short period of time. once at the doorway to the hospital's e.r. with him falling. then as he lay on the ground. then after the doorway tasings, he was put not in the hospital, but back in the squad car. i want to tell you in my reporting, south boston police declined a comment. but in court papers, they say the force was necessary and appropriate, said he destroyed property and was a danger to others. state police conducted their own investigation. i spoke to them this week and also a criminal inquiry remains
open as to these events. kate? >> i want to bring in now as you said, his sister, gwendolyn smalls, who is suing the police for wrongful death. gwendolyn, all i can say is, when i saw those tapes for the first time, i recoiled, i cringed. i can't imagine what it was like for you and the family to see those tapes. >> yes, it was awful. we saw it together as a family and we had nightmares. we still have problems dealing with it, because we were able to see my brother die on video. >> and gwendolyn, i've spoken with you about this before. these videos are in public viewing. if you could just walk through for people learning about this incident, what did you first learn about? because in may 2013, when this happened, you hadn't seen the videos. you only saw them for the first time last month. what did you first learn? >> we first learned that they tased my brother in front of the
hospital. we also learned that he did ask them for help and he did not receive it. we also learned that he begged them for his life and they ignored him. and the result of it, they tasered him more and he died in their custody. >> so now looking at the video now, does it change your understanding of what happened that night? >> it's more questions on how they believe that they did not use excessive force on my brother, being that he had handcuffs on and he was also shackled. that they still believed that they were in the right. so it's still mind-boggling to this day that they could actually look at the tape and not see what we see. so hopefully the world can see what we see and come up with the same conclusion that they used excessive force. >> as you mentioned, gwendolyn, they continue to say, the
police, that they did nothing wrong. what are you seeking in this lawsuit? you go back to court tomorrow. what are you hoping for? >> we're hoping that the judge denies them with their sanctions on us with allowing us to be able to speak what we see as far as the video is concerned. but they'll be able to look at the video and see that it's justified, that they would be denied, sanctioning our lawyers, along with the fact that we want justice for ray. that's what we want, justice for ray. >> what does justice look like? you're seeking monetary damages, right? >> we're seeking monetary damages, but that's just monetary damages justice. we want criminal justice. we want them to pay for what they did. and they know what they did. >> okay, you want those officers charged? >> yes, we do. we want them charged and we want them to face the crime that they committed. we want them to face justice. just like they tried to do that
to ray, to have their own opinion about their justice. we want the real justice to come down on them just as hard. >> and you mentioned that, as i've reported today, i've spoken repeatedly with the local prosecutor in the case who told me the case remains open, two and a half years later. i want to ask you another question that some people pose when they look at the course of events that night. and it's admittedly a difficult question, but i have to ask you, what do you say to people when people say, maybe something went wrong, but maybe your brother would have died anyway that night, given the autopsy indicated acute cocaine intoxication. and maybe he would have overdosed even if he had never had contact with police? >> i don't believe that. because the level of cocaine that was in his system was very low. and i also spoke to the coroner,
and she told me that if the officers would have left him at the hospital, that he would have survived. so if they would have did their job, they initially took him there for a medical evaluation, if they would have left him there, he would have survived. >> you're saying the coroner told you that directly with regard to what would have happened to him? that's what the coroner told you when? >> yes. she said that to me right after i got the autopsy report and i questioned her about the level of cocaine and how she could come up with the fact that it was acute cocaine that caused by brother to have a heart attack instead of taser. she told me she couldn't find any findings that was relating to him being tasered out there. so she told me to google acute cocaine and see if they come up with the same thing they did, that he died of acute cocaine and a heart attack. i just don't believe that. >> i need to ask you another question and i know it can be
difficult especially given everything that's happened. but with regard to the police assertions here, what do you say to their claims in court that as the video shows, he did damage property. he was running handcuffed towards the door. the police here, their view, under oath stated in court, is that he posed this danger. and that's what they were reacting to. what's your response to that? >> if you listen to the video, you can clearly see he was no threat. he was in handcuffs. he ran toward the door because he wanted to get help. he probably just had a bad feeling that something was going to go wrong with him. so he needed help. and the officers were just, you know, nonchalantly not doing what they were sworn to do, was to protect and serve. and they didn't do their job, which was to take him initially into the hospital for medical evaluation. they still have not done their job. nl . >> gwendolyn, we're only seeing the last moments of your
brother's life. i wonder if you can tell us a little bit more about him. >> he's a sweetheart. he's loving. he's funny. if you look at the video, you can see that he was pleading to the officer for his life. when he said baby girl, please don't do that. he was really reaching out to her to let her know that i'm harmless. i'm in handcuffs, sitting on the ground. i can't turn over on my stomach. it's impossible. so he just sits there and takes it, he takes the punishment. he's a sweet, loving person. they just had to get to know him. >> he leaves a family behind. we're so sorry for your loss. thank you for being with us. >> thanks so much for telling my brother's story. >> ari, it's such a difficult and complex story. and legally speaking, it's complicated too. the palace have said to date that they don't think they did anything wrong. where do we go from here for people that might be just joining us and not familiar? what happens now?
>> i want to be clear, everything we're showing is not just the new video, but we conducted an investigation, myself and jamie from nbc news, we went there and reached out to the hospital, to police, to prosecutors on the case, virginia state police who did speak to me. the police did not directly speak additionally. they only refer to the defenses regarding the danger they say he posed in their briefs. so the bottom line for people looking at this, what's the answer from the government's perspective? sooner or later the government decides whether to charge anything. they haven't closed the case. they say to me, they're continuing their review, with all of this evidence, and they will ultimately make their determination. i do think it's fair from a legal perspective, even with the compl complexity, for folks to ask, in this community or anywhere else, why has it taken two and a half years and how much longer will it take? and when i posed questions to the prosecutor, she said she does have a timeline in her mind, that she is working
towards real goals, but she wouldn't say on the record when that is. and she said she's going to do this in a thorough way. but the bottom line, the officers have not been cleared of wrongdoing, nor in any way, have they been by the prosecutor, accused of wrongdoing. this remains, two and a half years later, an open case. >> i imagine your phone is ringing offer the hook today with people reaching out and responding to what they're seeing. >> we've talked to a lot of people. and we have the much longer, raw set of the footage that we obtained. what you're seeing up on the screen there is these key moments, which frankly both sides point to, this moment, because they say, look, he was running into a hospital. yes, he was cuffed, but you run into a hospital like that, we don't know what he's going to do next. and the other video you see there, pointed to, as we heard
from his sister, she's saying, after the tasing at the doorway and then the tasing on the ground. there's tasing inside the car, which does violate police rules on their face because he's restrained. and we go to 80 seconds of total tasing that night. that's something a lot of people have questioned was excessive force under the rules. >> and at 3:00 pacific time, two hours from now, you'll be speaking with lynnwood lambert sr, the father of the man who died. >> that's correct. >> thanks so much. >> thank you. still ahead, tensions high at the university of missouri after a 19-year-old man is allegedly arrested for posting online threats against black students. and on this veterans day, we'll shed some light on challenges vets face after serving abroad. but first, donald trump opens up to msnbc about what he really thinks about his rival
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>> it's going so well and to be honest with you, you know, i loved the debate last night. we got very high marks on the debate, and i was very happy with the way it worked out. that was donald trump earlier today, rating his performance in last night's republican debate. trump spoke at a politics and eggs event in manchester, new hampshire. before the event, he sat down with msnbc's "morning joe," where he touched on foreign policy issues, defense, and what he thinks of his rivals. >> so who other than yourself, who do you think had the best performance? >> i don't think anybody did
poorly, really. i really don't. normally i should say, like, they were all terrible, everybody. right? [ laughter ] >> but you noticed the quality of all the candidates? >> how did ben carson do? >> i thought he was good. they didn't ask him that many questions. he didn't have a lot of air time, but i thought he was good. he was right next to me. >> just curious. so you were very critical of ben carson on the campaign trail last week. went after him. but last night, seemed to keep the gloves off. >> i don't want to be critical. i like him, to start off with. i don't want to be critical, but last night they were asking questions. and ben and i have gotten very long over the period of time. i've become friends with a lot of the people up there. some very good people up there. >> is ben carson qualified to be president of the united states? >> i don't want to say. that's not for me to say. >> would you let him run one of your companies? >> i would let him operate on a
friend of mine, not necessarily me. [ laughter ] >> would you let him run one of your companies? >> sure, if you're talking about a company, sure. >> you would never let him run one of your companies? >> boy, you are really critical. >> no, i'm just wondering why you're being nice. >> i read this morning that somebody said something nice. katy tur, what happened, i just saw her back there, gave her a big kiss. that was fantastic. >> okay. >> i don't know what to say about that. >> no, no. >> she was positive about my performance last night. so it was great. >> let's talk about policy. a big battle over what the united states should and shouldn't do. the republican party obviously has been run by neo cons over the past decade. you had marco rubio who wants to spend a trillion dollars more on national defense. and on the other side, you had rand paul. where exactly do you stand
between those two polar opposites? >> i would say i'm the most mill taristic person on that stage. but i know when to do it. you saw that. i tell the story when you almost fell over, in my book, prior to the world trade center coming down, i was talking about osama bin laden is going to come onto our shores and do some bad things. we better be careful. and it was written before the world trade center came down. you said, whoa, that's pretty amazing. it depends on what we're talking about. we have to be top of the line military. it's a great expenditure. the more we spend, the less we'll have to use it. people are looking at us as weak, ineffective, we don't know what we're doing. they have a lot of bad things going. >> but you say the united states should not be the world's
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and there are potholes in the runway. the place is falling apart. >> but there's a beautiful trump airplane at the end of the runway. >> oh, please. >> every time you land in laguardia -- >> for more, let me bring in nbc's katy tur. she's live in manchester. and msnbc's steve kornacki with me in the studio. katy, he mentioned you by name in that interview. he said he gave you a kiss this morning. he often claims that are reporters are saying favorable things about him as if those are opinions, but you cover what he does on the campaign trail. that's your job. what was he referring to? >> reporter: this morning, i said he was more conciliatory last night, that he was complimenting the other candidates, agreeing with rubio and cruz on the military. and he was also saying that everybody's tax plan on contagious, even though he doesn't agree with all of it, it's better than anything that we have at the moment. that's basically what i said this morning. and donald trump thought that that was great. i will say that he does
alternate quite often in saying that i'm terrible and an awful reporter and then liking me. they do it with all the reporters and embeds that follow him. if you're not in the dog house with the campaign, somebody else is. it's it just goes up and down. >> it is a different approach, steve, to the way campaigns typically deal with the press, but everything about donald trump is maybe a little bit different. he does seem to not be going after his rivals quite as fiercely as maybe everybody expected last night and today? >> yeah, it's striking. i think part of that might be the dynamic with ben carson is different. jeb bush is such an easy target. he represents the roots, the life story of jeb bush, the son of aristocracy, trump can stand there and be like, who does this guy think he is? he thinks he's better than us. he can really rile up the base.
ben carson, who by contrast is in the closest competition with him, but they like him. he's 70, 80%, he's at the top in terms of personal likability and favorability. he's a mild-mannered guy on stage. you start taking shots at him, that could backfire. i think trump recognizes that. and also that a lot of people supporting ben carson when you look at the polls, tea party people, very conservative people, evangelicals, trump is somebody else a lot of them are considering. he doesn't want to alienate those potential supporters either. >> we heard him talking about syria and saying he's happy that putin is bombing people there. he seems to be carving out a really different policy on syria than the other candidates? >> yes, and no. he alternates on this as well. today and last night he was taking more of a non-interventionist approach, saying that he doesn't believe we should be the world's policeman. and saying that it's good for
russia to get involved instead of us. but he's also said, we do need boots on the ground in syria. so his foreign policy plan isn't entirely clear. like many other plans. i think he alternates. if you ask experts in the field, they'll say donald trump's plan is a little bit half cocked in some ways. but when you speak to people on the road, they like that he talks in simple and easy-to-understand language. he says that he's a hawk and wants to get involved where we need to get involved. and he's also being very protective of american interests. we need to fix what's going on in this country before we get involved in any other wars in other countries. so in some ways, he's having his cake and eating it too. whether or not this is a policy he can follow through with if he becomes president, well, that like all of donald trump's other plans, remains to be seen. >> katy, steve, we'll see you later this hour with more reaction to donald trump's
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>> reporter: very unsettling, kate, following these threats which cautioned students to stay away from campus today. it specifically mentioned targeting african american students. some packed up and left, others opted not to go to class. i spoke a few minutes ago with one woman who said she is still considering leaving campus until things settle down. this as mu leadership releasing a new statement today with some updates concerning the developments of this week. they say they have put additional counsellors on campus, including counsellors of color. they say they're planning campus-wide, as well as small group learning events around campus and they praised the action of brave students who sacrificed their own needs to do work that should have been done long before they joined our community, end quote. so a response there from mu leadership. we also talked to a professor earlier today about his thoughts on everything that's happened
this week. >> there's a lot of bad stuff that's happened here, right? and you can cast it very negati negatively, but i'm quite hopeful. we have students who stood up and voiced concern for something to make it a better place. and that's a good thing. >> reporter: let's go back for a minute to the threats that really shook up this campus. police arrested 19-year-old hunter park. he's charged with making a terrorist threat. they say when he made those threats, he was two hours south of here. he is being held without bail. he'll make his first court appearance tomorrow morning. meanwhile, security here on campus has been increased, kate, as the university attempts to show students that they are safe at their school. back to you. >> sarah, thanks so much. we have startling new pictures just in to us out of new jersey. this surveillance video shows an explosion at the home -- at a
home in elizabeth, new jersey, this morning, it killed one person. injured more than a dozen people. the explosion happened on the second floor, causing it to collapse onto the first floor, trapping several people inside. preliminary reports found no sign that the explosion was gas related, but the mayor said several residents reported smelling gas in the area before that blast. still ahead, we'll show you how president obama paid tribute to america's bravest men and women on this veterans day. plus, how a group of lifeguards are going above and beyond the call of duty to help migrants escape the war in syria. up next, donald trump explains how he plans to deport what he estimates as 11 million undocumented workers, living inside u.s. borders.
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moines. we did have reports of a spotted tornado. there are two ways we can find out if a tornado actually happened. sometimes we notice the rotation on the radar itself. if the radar indicated rotation, that tells us there may be a funnel cloud in the area. about five miles to the east of winterset, we had spotters on the ground and noticed the rotation. we are seeing the threat continue as we go through the night. the spotters are out and about looking for the rotation from the sky. we do still have several more hours with a tornado watch in effect across most of iowa and into parts of illinois and also into northeastern missouri. that's the area where tonight we still have the threat of those tornadoes. but as we get past 6:00 central time, this cold front will move eastward. it's moving about 40 miles per hour, racing to the east. and the threat will diminish as we go into tonight.
through iowa. but then it starts to inch closer to chicago. as we see the sun set, we start to lose the severity of the storms. but the big story as we into tomorrow will be the high wind warnings where winds could gust up near 40 to 60 miles per hour. and it's expansive, from oklahoma through the great lakes and even into western new york and pennsylvania. that's where some of those higher wind gusts could cause some power outages. so we'll watch tornadoes for the next several hours, and then the high winds as we go into tonight and tomorrow. >> dylan, thanks so much. one of our crews in iowa, kasie hunt, who was with us last hour, they had to go indoors because of the severe weather in iowa. that links us to politics right now, 2016. and more of the interview with donald trump. where a panel tried to pin the front-runner down on how he would get millions of undocumented immigrants to leave the united states as he's called for. and also the debate over raising
the minimum wage. >> when it comes to the infrastructure that we have that's falling apart, there's so much that needs to be done here. last night, i heard you say you would not raise the minimum wage. explain how that is necessarily good for the economy. >> it's a very tough thing. >> $7.50 an hour, nobody can live on that, and there are people living on that. >> we're backing a non-competitive country. that's the problem. we're becoming non-competitive. i would love to say make it $50 an hour, i think it's great. it's a tough position politically. i mean, the best thing for me to say, first time in my life, i'm a politician. i never respected politicians. now i'm a politician. >> do you have people working for you making $7.50 an hour? >> probably, maybe i do, somewhere along the line. i got thousands of people. but we have to become competitive with the world. our taxes and wages are too high. everything's too high. we have to compete with other
countries. i see in new york they made it $15. >> you argue our wages are flat. >> what's going to happen, people are going to start firing people because they're going to -- you know the old story. and it's happened a hundred times. it's always happening. but not even from that standpoint. we have got to do something to compete with the rest of the world. our country is not competitive anymore. that's why we're losing all of the manufacturing. it's currency manipulation and all of those things that i talked about last night. a lot of currency manipulation, they're doing it brilliantly in china. china is a tremendous abuser of the united states. i said the other day, in the history of the world, there has never been a greater theft than what the united states has -- how we've been taken care of by china. china is one of the great bank robberies of all time. >> explain that. >> china has manipulated their currency, taken our jobs, our base, our manufacturing. they've taken so much out of us. hundreds of thousands of
companies. we have lost hundreds of thousands of companies and millions and millions of jobs. >> but isn't that better, though, for the consumers, that maybe china can build something cheaper, but it comes back to us at the end of the day. >> you know what, it's better for china, not better for us. we're losing our jobs, we're losing our manufacturing, our base, we're losing everything. now, we can change it. last year -- let me -- >> are you a protectionist? >> no, i'm not a protectionist. i'm a free trader. we have to have better deals. last year and this year will almost be a 500 billion imbalance with china. $75 billion with japan, talk about an imbalance. $55 billion with mexico. so it's not actually a loss, but it really is a loss. they'll tell you it's not a loss, it really is. $55 billion trade imbalance with
mexico. and you can go right down the line. i will take care of that better than anybody. >> let's talk about immigration. last night you get pounded from all sides, mainly from john kasich and jeb bush saying that your plan to deport illegal immigrants was not realistic. >> we're a country of law. we have to abide by certain things. you need borders. i will build a wall. i will get the wall to be paid for by mexico. they did that little skit -- >> on "saturday night live." >> the president walks in, i have a check for you. >> and how exactly do you do that? >> he gave me a $20 billion check, even though it will cost seven. >> how exactly do you get mexico to pay for the wall? >> it's very easy. trade imbalance, between 45 and $55 billion. the wall, you're talking about they were going to spent $12 billion on the wall. i'll spend seven and it's going to be bigger, better and nicer, i know how to build, okay?
but we give billions of dollars to mexico. you need the wall. you need it, and by the way, walls do work. call up israel and say, how's your wall working? 99%. >> how do you deport 12 million? >> you do it. because they're here illegally, do you it. now, remember this, in 1952, dwight eisenhower, a nice man, whether you like him or not, remember the expression, i like ike. mine's make america great again. still like that one better. we could go, i like donald, but it doesn't work, right? but i like ike, that was his expression. dwight eisenhower sunday a million and a half at a minimum wage people out, illegal immigrants out. brought them out, brought them to the border, let them go, they came back. let them go again, they came back. let them go a third time, they came back. the fourth time he moved them all the way south, they never came back again. >> let me bring in nbc's katy
tur from manchester, new hampshire, and steve is with me here in new york. katy, you spoke with him after that interview and talked to him at length about immigration. >> immigration is the central tenet if you will of his campaign. that's what he talks about at every rally, when he gets the biggest applause. i asked him specifically about a plan that he's been referencing at rallies, last night in the debate and also this morning. he references eisenhower's operation from the first that deported about a million mexican immigrants from this country. that plan, which he does not call by name, or talk about how it was implemented and he does that for a reason. one, it was called operation wetback, which as we've been saying all day is a really ugly term for mexican immigrants in this country. and the implementation was controversial and anything but humane in some of the circumstances. they would deport them and leave them in the middle of the desert. 88 of them died of heat
exhaustion. they would send them off by cargo ships, likened to 18th century slave ships. they were also called hellish continues. there was a mutiny on board one of those ships. they were ripped from their homes, their belongings and left anywhere in mexico as long as it was far away from the border. so donald trump is referencing this plan as a success story and something that people should look for when he's talking about his plan and how he'll be able to do it. i asked him about the details tonight, pressed him for answer, on how he would get it done and how it would be humane. here's what he told me. >> katy, it will be very, very humanely done. >> 11 million? >> we don't know how many it is. could be much less, could be more. that's part of the problem. we don't even know how many there are. but if you look at that room last night, where i was so appreciative that you said such nice things, really nice things this morning. but if you look at the room, the
biggest applause is when i said we'll build a wall. >> his reference to eisenhower's removal of immigrants -- donald trump believes there's more than that in the country. he said the federal government can't even account for it. he doesn't have a plan. he's said he would triple the number of ice workers out there and have deportation squads, if you will. but exactly how they're going to get these people out of the country, and how they're going to do it with the people's consent, do it in a humane way, still remains to be seen. kate? >> katy tur, thanks, katithanks. >> steve, he brings up immigration at every rally. it's obviously something he feels strongly about, but also
winning votes for him. >> absolutely. you can look at the details of this and say it's still unclear how exactly he'd round up 11 or 12 million people. you could say it doesn't sound like there really is a humane way to do what he's describing. and certainly on the history of it, there wasn't before. but the basic philosophy of what he's saying has deep resonance on the republican side, not just in the republican party. the idea that people who did not come to this country legally, shouldn't be given preferential treatment as you go forward. there are people waiting in line to come into the country legally. the injustice of that, that's what he's tapping into. so to have the counterargument from jeb bush, which is basically, don't say these things because you're working on hillary clinton's advantage here. a lot of republicans don't want to hear that. that's what he's tapping into. >> steve, thank you very much. coming up, the challenges
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tomb of the unknown soldier at arlington national cemetery. the president also called for faster and better access to health care for veterans, especially those suffering from post-traumatic stress. >> this day is not only about gratitude for what they have done for us. it's all a reminder of what they still have to give to the nation and our duty to them. >> hundreds of thousands of veterans suffer from post-traumatic stress, including 20% of all veterans who served in the war in iraq. and joining me now, political director of iraq and afghanistan veterans of america, bill roush. thank you for being with us. didn't mean to suggest that you're suffering from post-traumatic stress, but this is not a laughing matter. it affects so many of your colleagues coming home from war. has it gotten any better? >> thanks for having us. in terms of what's being done, there are a lot of things that
are being done at the policy level, at the community level. i think one of the biggest things that's been done and we need to continue to work towards this, a national conversation about mental health in this country. we talk about trauma and post-traumatic stress as it relates to combat, but we also need to realize that as a country suicide and mental health are challenges that face all of us. >> and you look at the figures on suicide, and it's disturbing. according to a study by the va, 22 veterans committed suicide every single day between 1999 and 2010. that's unbelievable. what needs to happen in this country? in terms of medical care and as you mentioned mental health services? >> well, a few things. first and foremost, we need more mental health professionals in this country. serving veterans as well as the broader population. iva was proud to support the passage of an act to recruit
more mental health professionals into the va, but more broadly, bring them into the space, because it's a challenge for all americans. out of the majority of the 22 are actually older veterans, vietnam-era veterans and most of them aren't receiving care at the va. so there are a lot of challenges out there. we've made some progress, but it's going to take everything together on this to face these challenges. because it's not just the veteran community, it's the entire country. >> the va, the white house says, dramatically increased care for veterans. they put out a statement saying seven million more appointments in the va in the 12 months following the access crisis. so they're saying, we've gotten better. do you see that? do you hear that from your members? >> well, we do know that have been more appointments this year, for example, in the community, than there were last
year. the challenge is, if there's one individual who has to wait 30, 45, 90 days, for that one individual, it's not acceptable. so even as we look at the national averages, the va's reporting they've declined and they're shorter, somewhere around 7 to 9 days for specialty, mental health care, others, but for the individual on the other side of that curve, it's unacceptable for them when they have to face those challenges. so there's the access to care as it relates to get more folks in the door, but there's also the culture change that the va has to embrace to make sure that that individual, regardless of who they are and when they served, if they need help, they can get it immediately regardless of the situation. >> it's something we all need to talk about more openly. that's been part of the problem, there's a stigma. thank you so much and thank you for your service. >> thank you. turning now to wall street,
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migrants sank off the coast of turkey this morning, killing 14 people, many of them children. for more, we're joined by msnbc's calipery. you found something unique. >> yeah, we're used to seeing horrible pictures from the island of lesbos. there's a small group from spain called lifeguards. they are out there on the shorelines just trying to make a difference. these are basically university kids. they go in groups of six for 15 days at a time. you'll see them there in the yellow t-shirts, literally pulling these people off the boats. handing babies onto medics on the shore. i spent the better part of a morning talking to one of the group organizers. she said that this group is at the forefront when these refugees arrive on shore. they're there for medical care, they're there for aid and to try to take care of them. the reason they only do 15 days. it's hard to deal with what they see every day. >> i'm sure. and they're all volunteers? >> all volunteers, young kids
between 25 and 35. >> thank you for bringing us a little bit of humanity today. appreciate it. that does it for this hour. i'm kate snow. "mtp daily" starts right now. if it's wednesday, it's a field of republican candidates who all sound more and more certain after another debate. but an eventual outcome that seems even more uncertain than ever. this is "mtp daily" and it starts right now. ♪ >> hello from new york, and a very happy veterans day to everyone. i'm steve kornacki in for chuck todd who's on the road in wisconsin. republican candidates were back on the road today too on the campaign trail after a debate dominated by immigration, by the economy, and by america's footprint abroad. but they couldn't stop talking about last night. >> just a few hours ago, we were on that