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and limits for certain groups of people. his daughter lori told us his daughter would be out in the streets anywhere he could be heard to say that this is wrong. if you are feeling outrage or anxious by what is happening right now in our politics, i won't try to talk you out of it. you are hearing really the ghost of history. what's going on right now, it's ugly stuff. but take a little heart. take a measure of optimism and see that yasui persists. we still got heroes. that does it for us tonight. we'll see you again tomorrow. now it's time for "the last word." good evening. >> good evening. well, french president francois hollande will meet with president obama at the white house tomorrow to discuss the fight against islamic state and you can be sure, i mean, absolutely sure, right now, that most of the news media will judge president obama's performance at their joint press conference tomorrow by just how enthusiastically president obama talks about committing the
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american military to another war in the middle east. >> he's not a master mind. he found a few other vicious people, got hands on some fairly conventional weapons, and sadly it turns out that if you're willing to die you can kill a lot of people. >> reporter: fear of the paris style attack in brussels, so schools closed, the metro system shut. >> i can confirm the traits -- >> police conducted 29 raids across belgium, arresting nearly two dozen people. >> what happened in paris could happen here. these are radical terrorists who want to kill us. >> republicans may be talking tough but new poll shows it is hillary clinton with the edge when voters choose who is best to handle terrorism. >> our goal is not to deter or contain isis but to defeat and destroy isis. >> donald trump riled up voters in alabama with tales of the 9/11 attacks and terrorist sympathizers in america. >> i watch in jersey city, new
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jersey, with thousands and thousands of people were cheering as that building was coming down. >> it's completely wrong. it did not happen. he didn't see it. >> he does know he saw it because he has, quote, the world's greatest memory. >> in paris investigators are analyzing a vest containing explosives fond by a street cleaner today in a same neighborhood where a cellphone belonged to salah abdeslam where the attacker was located. the authorities say the explosives in the vest discovered today were the same used in the november 13th attacks. brussels remains under lack down as the threat remains eminent and fierce. >> i can confirm that the threats from attack is eminent and we want to ask our commission to stay calm. we have serious indications an
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attack or attacks on different locations at the same time can take place and that's why, we've taken these measures. >> nbc's keir simmons is in brussels. keir? >> good evening, lawrence. tonight people in brussels are being told to be careful on the streets for another night. behind me the train station inside the subway will not reopen tomorrow. neither will the schools or many other public institutions. the government here says it is keeping the terror alert at a highest level until monday but at the same time they say they want to open institutions like schools by wednesday. that has many people here confused. parents asking should i send my child to school on wednesday or not, given the fact that they are openly saying they are still searching for a number of suspects including salah abdeslam, the man who is thought to be the eighth man in that
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terror cell in the paris attacks. he is still on the loose. there are a number of others they are still looking for. the prime minister today trying to reassure people by holding a news conference with senior members alongside him. but in many ways while the military here in belgium has control of many of this streets, the appearance is that the government has lost the control of its own security in this country. lawrence? >> keir simmons in brussels. thank you. british prime minister david cameron went to paris today to pay his respects to the victims of the november 13th attacks and to meet with president francois hollande about combatting the islamic state. >> i firmly support the action that president hollande has taken to strike isil in syria and it is my firm conviction that britain should do so, too. >> joining us now lara, white house correspondent and u.s. bureau chief for canal post. laura, what are we expecting tomorrow in the meeting with the president? >> we don't know.
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and that's the interesting question, because never at the french ambassador here in washington telling us what to expect. but there's no doubt that the french president is -- president obama to re-enforce an international coalition. it's a little bit like francois hollande who is becoming the commander in chief of the fight against isis. he wants a strong coalition. so he will be in washington tomorrow. then he's going to go to germany to meet angela merkel. then he's going to moscow on thursday to meet vladimir putin. and then he's going to finish the diplomatic trip by meeting the chinese president. so he's trying to international coalition. we don't know what it's about. we can only speculate. like you said at the beginning of the program we are all waiting for the news conference tomorrow morning. >> any indication that president hollande will ask for military specifics in terms of specific technical support or a troop commitment?
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>> the troop commitment is going to be really difficult because the french, like the americans, do not want ground troops at this moment in syria. what we expect the maybe better cooperation between the intelligence agencies all over europe and maybe also something involving money. isis is well financed and francois hollande today in france with his minister of finance tried to do a plan to track financially isis what the money comes from, what's going to happen if the limits, you know, some international wires in countries and also by isis militants who are on the terrorist list. so that's maybe cooperation there. again, we have to wait and see what francois hollande is going to ask president obama. >> so president hollande has plan for tracking possible isis use of money within france and then involving individuals everything bank accounts or credit card accounts?
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>> yeah, that's a good question, lawrence. basically the french is going to be $10,000 -- 10,000 euros. they're going to track where it comes from, where does it go. they want to do that. they also want to track certain type of credit card used by the terrorists in the attacks in paris and basically prepaid credit card that the terrorists used last friday. and the french want to know how how to track that better. there's a lot of measure involving the daily activity of some people on the terrorist list. but also in a more global way. they really want to try to emphasize how they can cut off the money coming from isis. >> laura hajm, thank you very much. we're joined now by fellow at the institute for policy studies and author of the book "understanding isis and the new global war on terror." phyllis, we will have that joint
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press conference tomorrow in washington where the media which has been very much in the mode of ultrasensitive theater critic on the tone that president obama strikes in everything that he says about this. they will be on full alert tomorrow, too. and it seems to me very eager to hear just how enthusiastically the president wants to go to war again in the middle east. >> i think unfortunately you're absolutely right, lawrence. i think there is a great deal of eagerness among some people in washington, here inside the beltway, and in the media. looking for another war. i think the problem is it's a very good thing that we're seeing new meetings of a variety of world leaders who are potentially involved in this issue. the problem is they're assuming that the coalition is going to be a repeat of the old, what we used to call the coalition of the killing. officially it was the coalition of the willing. but it was all about going to war. what we really need is a coalition that is going to deal
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much more seriously with diplomacy than we've seen in the past. much more seriously with things like pressuring saudi arabia around stopping the flow of cash to isis and related organizations. things like a joint cooperation on the very difficult task of an arms embargo in the region. we have to stop flooding the region with new arms. all of these things are almost impossible as long as the major powers see it only as something where they have to go to war. we've been trying war against terrorism for almost 15 years now and it hasn't worked, because at the end of the day terrorism survives war. people don't. the terrorism requires war, it thrives in war. so the more the u.s. goes to war, the more france goes to war, the more russia goes to war, the more any of these
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countries go to war, the better off the terrorists will be nape want u.s. troops on the ground. they want french troops on the ground. we should not be giving them what they want. it's going to make the situation worse and not better. >> president obama has talked about containing isis. he has sometimes referred to destroying isis. but he seems reluctant to talk about destroying isis because he may doubt that it is actually possible to do that. let's listen to him talking yesterday in malaysia about destroying the islamic state. >> destroying isil is not only realistic goal. we're going to get it done and we're going to pursue it with every aspect of american power and with all the coalition partners that we've assembled. it's going to get done. >> so there, phyllis, he's going along with what has become the convention you must say that isis can be destroyed and we will actually destroy it. >> right. >> can we destroy it? >> i think we can.
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but not by using war. war doesn't work against terrorism. we need a combination of incredibly powerful muscular, if you want to use that word, diplomacy. we need much stronger pressure on the isis funding streams, going after saudi arabia, going after the oil industry, the oil companies themselves, who have shown themselves to be willing to buy and sell isis produced oil. you know, the territory in syria that isis controls includes most of the syria's oil capacity. and while by middle east standards syria is not a huge oil producer, on world scale it is not an insignificant one. they're getting a big chunk of their money through oil. there needs to be a crack down because the oil companies know they will pay a price if they deal in isis oil. there needs to be a price paid for anyone who provides arms to any of the people around isis because somehow all those arms including u.s. arms, seem to end up in isis hands and in al
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qaeda's hands. it's not staying in the hands of the supposedly western-oriented democratic secular good guy, anti-assad and anti-isis fighters that the u.s. keeps claiming they're arming. those people don't have the capacity to stand up to isis when they come to take the weapons. so we have to stop sending more weapons. there's a host of things to be done. but as long as we are relying on military force. this is the kind of terms that isis wants. this is what strengthens them. it proves to the rest of the region, yes, the u.s. or france or russia or all of them, is occupying our territory. yes, the u.s. is backing a sectarian shia-dominated government in baghdad that is op pressing the community community. some sunni, particularly the generals, have looked to isis as the lesser evil. all of that is going to continue
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if we continue to pretending that we can somehow win militarily against terrorism. you can't bomb terrorism out of existence. you have to deal with the reasons that people who are not themselves feel logical and ideological extremists are so attracted to an organization like this, whether they are growing up in the suburbs, the neglected suburbs of paris or whether they're growing up in the destroyed cities of syria or iraq or the areas surrounding it. those are the challenges that i would hope president hollande and president obama will discuss tomorrow. >> we will see. we're going to take a quick break. coming up in the aftermath of the paris attack, which candidate now leads the polls on combating terrorism? and donald trump continues to tell lies that the news media just has no idea how to handle. ! come on, why ya sleepin'? come on!
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closest to hillary clinton is the hopeless candidacy of jeb bush. clinton beats jeb bush 46% to 43% on terrorism. last week when hillary clinton revealed her plan for fighting islamic state it turned out to be exactly what president obama is doing, plus a lot of wishful thinking. >> we should be honest about the fact that to be successful air strikes will have to be combined with ground forces actually taking back more territory from isis. like president obama, i do not believe that we should, again, have with 100,000 american troops in combat in the middle east. but we can and should support local and regional ground forces in carrying out this mission. we may have to give our own troops advising and training the iraqis greater freedom of movement and flexibility, including embedding in local units and helping target air strikes. we should immediately deploy the
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special operations force president obama has already authorized and be prepared to deploy more as more syrians get into the fight. we should also work with the coalition and neighbors to impose no-fly zones. that will stop assad from slaughters civilians and the opposition from the air. there is no alternative to a political transition that allows syrians to end assad's rule. now, much of this strategy on both sides of the border hinges on the roles of our arab and turkish partners. and we must get them to carry their share of the burden, with military, intelligence, and financial contributions. as well as using their influence with fighters and tribes in iraq and syria. >> joining us now howard dean, former governor of vermont and former chairman of the democratic national committee, also msnbc political analyst.
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opinion writer from the "washington post" and msnbc political analyst and back with us is phyllis. howard dean, so, getting the ending assad's rule in syria, getting arab and turkish partners to carry their fair share of the burden. any chance of those things happening? >> eventually, yes. the kurds -- >> what's the time frame of eventually? >> well, the kurds are ready now. they just need more support and more training. the other thing that she said which i think she said it before but it's news because she disagrees with the president on this. we do need a no-fly zone in syria. had we had one two years ago we probably would have saved 2 or 300,000 syrian lives. the thing that was so impressive with what i just saw is this is a woman who knows what she's talking about and there is no one on the other side who can present what she just presented, even jeb bush. >> the polls bear out the that that is the audience reaction. what howard dean just said that is the audience reaction there. she has such a clear and commanding lead over the
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republican candidates on this issue. i just want to point out as we get into this discussion, for whatever reason, this poll did not pair up bernie sanders on terrorism against the republican candidates. they chose only hillary clinton to pair up against the republican candidates on terrorism. go ahead, e.j. >> well, i think this is not surprising. i think first of all, hillary clinton has a lot of experience compared to virtually all of those other republican candidates. people factor that in to their judgment. and i think she's trying to occupy a kind of political sweet spot between president obama and the republicans. she is a shade tougher looking, a shade more hawkish, and i think the country might want that but it doesn't want, you know, lindsey graham at the extreme, at least he's out there saying what he's going to do, 100,000 troops over there. the country doesn't want to go all of the way over to where those guys are. and i think the other thing is, she took the time to layout a
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strategy in this speech, which is essentially a slightly tougher version of what the president is doing, plus a no-fly zone. so i think voters look at that and they say all things being equal, she sure looks like a more plausible commander in chief than these guys do right now. although in fairness, some of those numbers are close. >> phyllis, did you hear -- what are the big differences you heard there between hillary clinton and president obama? >> well, i think the biggest one is about the no-fly zone. she's ignoring what her counterpart, the former secretary of defense robert gates said, when hillary clinton was cheerleading for the attack on libya back in 2011 when the issue was we need a no-fly zone and his statement to congress was, let's be clear, a no-fly zone starts with invading libya. that was an in a country where there was almost no function alanity aircraft system. syria has a very advanced, a very complex anti-aircraft
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system. it would mean a full-scale attack, a full-scale assault on syria, with all of the complications that arise from that. this is not going to work. i agree, hillary clinton comes off looking very experienced, very, et cetera, but she's wrong. she's wrong to say that a different version of war is somehow going to work. we've used every version of war. we've used massive ground troops, small ground troops, relying on other people's ground troops, no-fly zones, not no fly zones. none of it has worked on terrorism. there's no reason to think it will this time around or not, whether or not hillary clinton looks president she'll when she says it. >> there's a difference between terrorism and assad. >> absolutely. >> we need to get rid of assad. >> but if we get rid of assad that's going to put us, number one in violation of international law, which rarely matters here in washington.
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more importantly, in the immediate, it's going to put us right in direct opposition to the russians and the iranians who right now for the first time we have a basis for actually working together on a diplomatic solution. >> i would disagree. i mean, assassinating him, it would be violation of international law. getting rid of somebody who has murdered 300,000 of their own people is not against international law. >> actually it is but we don't have to argue about what because it doesn't matter. international law doesn't play enough of a role. but diplomacy does. we have the possibility for real diplomacy. there were real concessions made by the russians, by turkey, by saudi arabia, and by the united states in going into the vienna talks. and i think all of those concessions together give some real potential to the possibility that a negotiation that is on an entirely different basis than we've seen in the past, has some real potential now. >> e.j., go ahead. >> i think what hillary clinton is saying is two things.
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when she's talking about war, she's not talking about massive american troops who are going to take on isis. >> right. >> she is talking about changing the political situation on the ground so that sunnis who, in iraq, for example, have aligned with isis because they're no angry at the shia government and what the shia government has done. might be willing to join that fight against isis. secondly, i think some of this force is precisely designed to strengthen the american bargaining hand and the negotiation. i think everybody here agrees that in the end, assad will not be gotten rid of by military force. he's going to get -- he's going to be pushed out slowly through a dip pat tick process. and i think what clinton is trying to do and what the president is trying to do, i think he's inching up that way, is to strengthen our hand in those negotiations. >> if there's anything that looks -- >> it's going to have to happen. >> anything that looks like a no-fly zone represents a major assault on syria. that's not going to deal with the u.s.-backed, u.s.-armed
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sectarian government in baghdad, which is the major -- >> i think no-fly zone is essential. if we had a no-fly zone imposed two years ago we wouldn't have half a million -- >> and what happens when pilots get shot down. >> we would take those anti-aircraft positions out and we have a capacity to do that. >> that's a full-scale war against syria. i think it's going to happen. >> troops on the ground. >> we're not talking about troops on the ground. >> that's right. we're not talking about troops on the ground. i think the american people very much want this situation to be dealt with and i think hillary clinton is the only candidate out there who actually has shown that she understands how to deal with assad and how to deal with terrorism in syria. >> i don't think she understands what her own counterpart who is then the secretary of defense has said about what a no-fly zone means and why it's not something you just declare and then it exists. >> against to protect the kurds was extremely successful. and i three --
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>> 700 people were killed during that period. >> stronger air defense but not strong enough to overcome our ability to get rid of them. >> we're going to have to break it there for tonight. phyllis, thank you for joining us. coming up, until the political media learns how to use the word "liar," they will not be telling the truth about donald trump. so what's your news? i got a job! i'll be programming at ge. oh i got a job too, at zazzies. (friends gasp) the app where you put fruit hats on animals? i love that! guys, i'll be writing code that helps machines communicate. (interrupting) i just zazzied you. (phone vibrates) look at it! (friends giggle) i can do dogs, hamsters, guinea pigs... you name it. i'm going to transform the way the world works. (proudly) i programmed that hat. and i can do casaba melons. i'll be helping turbines power cities. i put a turbine on a cat. (friends ooh and ahh) i can make hospitals run more efficiently... this isn't a competition! the kids went to nana's house... for the whole weekend. zzzquil. the non-habit forming sleep aid
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i watched when the world trade center came tumbling down. and i watched in jersey city,
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new jersey, where thousands and thousands of people were cheering as that building was coming down. >> that was donald trump telling one of his big lies on saturday night in alabama. here he is defend that big lie the next morning. >> you saw that with your own eyes? >> george, it did happen. people that were cheering on the other side of new jersey where you have large arab populations. >> and trump continued the big lie tonight in ohio but he made the lie a little smaller by changing thousands of people to, quote, fairly large numbers. >> i saw in parts of new jersey, jersey city, but parts of new jersey, i saw people getting together and in fairly large numbers celebrating as the world trade center was coming down. >> of course no one in his audience knows that he did not
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see that and trump told his audience tonight that a "washington post" article written seven days after the september 11th attacks proved that it is true. that donald trump personally saw people in new jersey, thousands of people celebrating on 9/11. >> in jersey city within hours of two jetliners plowing into the world trade center, law enforcement authorities detained and questioned a number of people who were allegedly seen celebrating the attacks and holding tailgate style -- stale gate, you know what that means? tailgate, football game, ohio state, thousands of people in parking lots, on roofs, tailgating is a lot of people. tailgating is not two people. and holding tailgate style parties on rooftops while they
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watched the devastation on the other side of the river. >> joining us now michael, senior correspondent for the weekend back with us e.j. dion. michael, this is a gigantic challenge for the political news media. here is someone who stands up and at the times lies. and on the polite side of the media, which of course does not include this show, or much of cable news, you're simply not allowed to use the word liar. george steph nap his is running the sunday morning shows with anner of church about them that simply does not include certain words. george couldn't sit there and say that's a lie. what is the media to do in the face of this onslaught of lies from trump? >> i think the news immediaty has to reach within itself, get out of its "new york times" this side, other side language and find the inner tabloid spirit at
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times and say this is an embarrassing freak show. a lie that gets the citizens of new jersey among i once counted myself. and, you know other candidates should be jumping out in front. other republican candidates should say this is a terrible lie. this man is completely unqualified to be run for this office. and he should step out of the race. but they're all too afraid of taking collateral damage from doing that. >> speaking of afraid, the governor of new jersey, you would expect who has role here, e.j., to stand up and defend new jersey against this lie. here's chris christie's defense of new jersey against the big trump lie. chris christie, i do not remember that, and so it's not something that was part of my recollection. i think if it had happened, i would remember it, but, you know, there would be things i forget, too. so, e.j., the other candidates aren't going to help the news
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media on this by labeling it's for what it is. i mean, you're at "the washington post" where you guys don't use words like lie and liar. you work within the polite framework of this kind of coverage. how do you feel with a challenge like this? >> first of all, on the opinion pages we can and sometimes do use the word lie. and secondly, i think that whether you use the word lie or not, there are many ways, the conventional media can reports what this person said isn't true, and they can say it over and over again. you have had fact checking doing that and you do have those little rating meters that essentially show that somebody lied. and so i think there are plenty of ways to do it. the question is, can you do it often enough and over and over to make the point that this stuff just isn't true. and that chris christie quote is really remarkable because this is a guy whose whole stand is
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that he's a tough guy willing to call it as it is. and to say that maybe his memory was faulty on this, that's extraordinary. i guess it shows that when a candidate has 25% to 30% of the vote, candidates are more afraid of not getting a piece of that somewhere down the road than they are just telling the truth and calling the guy out. >> yeah. there is no problem of memory here. this didn't happen. it doesn't exist on video. none of us saw it. we were all watching the coverage constantly during that time. it didn't happen. trump is simply making up a lie. another lie that he put out this weekend was that he tweeted, retweeted some false, completely false statistically information about black people. this is the tweet. it's about a black peoples involvement with crime. absolutely outrageous falsehoods in it. and bill o'reilly asked him about it tonight.
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and the explanation you're going the hear the defense, and what you're going to see is an old guy who tweets explaining to another old guy who doesn't tweet what a retweet is. let's watch this. >> bill, i didn't tweet. i retweeted somebody that was supposedly an expert. >> yeah, but -- oh, why do you want to be in that zone? >> bill, if i am going to check every statistic. >> you got to. you're a presidential contender. you've got to check it. >> millions of people. you know what, fine. this came out of radio shows and everything else. >> come on, radio shows? >> retweet. i didn't say -- excuse me. all it was is a retweet. it wasn't from me. >> so, michael, there's the defense. retweet. he got it from radio shows. please, you cannot expect a presidential candidate to check statistics that he uses. >> right. i mean, why even check the tar getting systems when you're just pressing the red button next to you either.
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i mean, there's a level on this where it's not just enough to say these are lies or this is stupid. there's a level where you have to act outraged. outrage happens you can't just say, well, there are two sides to this outrage. i mean, a normal person with a normal moral center would be outraged by this. and yet we -- i have to put on a tie and a coat and talk about this man as if this were a real presidential candidate and not a kind of farce in the american story. >> e.j., the president's job is sorting out information. that is what the job is. and making decisions based on the best information. this is very revealing of a presidential candidate that this is how he obtains and sorts out information. >> well, i guess it shows what we've come to when i found myself completely agreeing with bill o'reilly. i mean, when bill o'reilly said you can't just toss any old numbers out there without checking it and trump saying,
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well, it came from a talk show, that was good enough. i mean, it's -- it is something that i still think will eventually catch up with trump. but in terms of our talking about him, there's a reason why we're talking about him. he's the number one candidate in the polls on the republican side. a lot of republicans are saying now that they're going to vote for him. he is organized this coalition of discontent. and he may not be the guy who deserves to lead it but he happens to be leading it right now. >> bill o'reilly did leave the segment tonight, i'm convinced, utterly confused about what a retweet is. i don't think he ever figured that out. e.j. dioe, thank you for coming in. michael brandon dougherty, good conservative says the nightmare scenario is very real. and later, tonight's last word is about bill o'reilly and the candidate who he thinks is an honest politician.
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republicans. rubio eliminates bush on age, polish, and the value of a last name. cruz eliminates rubio based on florida senator's support for amnesty. and suddenly the deepest field in recent history have collapsed into trump, carson, cruz, and some also-rans. there's a weakness you can use against the other so you end up with trump, carson, and maybe cruz. >> right. the race is just, you can see it's like a billiard table and the balls are falling into a place that should frighten the republican party. where scott walker and rick perry gone early, just i'm pleaded immediately. jeb bush sinking slowly and his supporters may will flirting with marco rubio. in the meantime, trump and carson dominating 50% of the polls or more going in and yet all the candidates are afraid to
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attack them. so they're beginning to feast on each other. and what you're left with is two non-politicians are above the fray, never in a real scrape with any of the others. and the others are in a cat fight. and instead of getting the choice that republicans wanted among three qualified candidates and letting them expose each other's flaws, they're going to be left with whose ever is left over. and right now the balls are lining up, so that rubio knocks out bush, and then cruz knocks out rubio and you're left -- >> cruz will be able to knock out rubio over rubio's history on immigration and the immigration bill that he pushed? >> we're seeing such a powerful issue, it's pow -- >> drove the trump campaign. >> driving the trump campaign. driven challenges before like the buchanan challenge in '96 came closer to knocking out dole than many people remember. it's transforming politics in every country in the western
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world right now. the mass migration of people and the gop has been very slow in responding to their own base's demands on this issue. so cruz does have a shot because the gang of eight bill is hated and every conservative talk radio host will pile on rubio once they get the chance. >> howard dean, as a former chairman of the democratic party, if you were sitting up there in that chair nowing looking at this, is this the gop nightmare scenario and would you be welcoming it? >> i don't -- i learned not to welcome things when i thought it was great that they nominated ronald reagan in 1980. ever since then i've shut up. look, donald trump has survived at least 10 or 12 times when i thought he was a dead duck. so i just sit back and watch this. i actually think michael's analysis is pretty damn close. i actually think there's a reasonable chance that both rubio and bush will disappear as a result of florida, which is the first winner take allstate when trump beats them by one or two points because they're splitting up the vote.
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conventional wisdom is, either rubio or bush, only one of those two can survive. i think there's a fairly good chance neither one of them survive if they get that far. i think cruz is underestimated by the conventional media, much more skillful politician than i thought he was. anything can happen. the only thing i disagree with is i think carson is toast. the reason i think he's toast is interestingly an issue that rarely sinks people and that's foreign of a fairs. i think he's own voters look at this guy and say this guy doesn't know anything about foreign affairs and they're not going to vote for him in iowa and then he's toast. >> michael, let's say it falls to cruz. now you have this extreme conservative which is the most positive way you can describe him. i mean, you could use crazier words than that. has the republican nominee, someone who has absolutely no appeal to the middle of the voters. >> it will be a disaster. you will see major defections in the senate because of the gop senators, loath ted cruz and love to tell you about it when
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the cameras are off. >> yes. they hate him as they have hate nod senator before him. >> right. ted cruz to his credit knows this and says, i welcome their hatred. you know. in that kind of way. but it will be a story of the republican party, how did they nominate this man when they had so many other candidates with exactly experience. >> the nightmare scenario is in the finalists there is no winner for the republicans. >> you can never say that in a presidential election. anything can happen. but agree, cruz is probably incapable of moving to the middle. rubio is trying, cruz can't do it. trump is all over the place and i can't imagine him doing it either. >> howard dean and michael brannon daugherty, appreciate it. coming up, an arrest, a good samaritan was shot on camera. and tonight's "last word" is something that only bill o'reilly could say.
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the crime was caught on surveillance video. nbc's kerry sanders has the story. >> not a single shot was fired as new orleans police and federal marshals today ended their manhunt and descended on the house where euric kaine because hold up. he's the 21-year-old captured in this shocking surveillance video friday. that's when peter gold, a fourth year medical student at tulane, saw something that just wasn't right. a man dragging a woman down the sidewalk. gold confronted the man who released the woman and then demanded gold hand over money. gold said he didn't have any. and within moments, he found himself up against the wall at gun point and it was all captured on that security camera right there. the suspect shoots gold in the belly and he falls to the sidewalk and what follows next is horrifying.
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it appears that the 21-year-old gunman tries to shoot gold twice but the gun jams. tonight a family spokesman says peter continues to improve and remains in guarded condition. >> he did make a full confession that he was, in fact, the person who committed that offense. >> and now he will likely spend the rest of his life in jail as he should. >> reporter: police offered more than $12,000 as a reward to find the suspect. but some residents in this neighborhood say they want peter gold to get his own reward. >> reward for the heroes. the heroes need to be celebrated. >> reporter: the suspect and his 17-year-old girlfriend are in custody tonight. eruic kaine is charged with robbery, kidnapping and attempted first degree murder. kerry sanders, nbc news, new orleans. coming up, which candidate for president would you say is an honest politician? tweet me your answers and let's see how many of you agree with bill o'reilly on this one.
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friends with both of them. >> in his interview with his friends tonight, bill o'reilly told donald trump that something trump tweeted bothered him. >> when you tweet out a thing, and this bothered me, i got to tell you. you tweeted out that whites killed by blacks, these are statistics you picked up from somewhere, at a rate of 81%. and that's totally wrong. whites killed by blacks is 15%. yet you tweeted it was 81%. >> that is the toughest moment that donald trump has ever had on his friend, will oriley's show. and as we showed you earlier, trump's defense was it was just a re-tweet and he can't check every statistic that he uses. and the o'reilly grilling of trump didn't last very long. 40 seconds after bringing up the trump tweet that bothered him, bill o'reilly said this to
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donald trump. >> look, you know i'm looking out for you, right, you know that? i'm looking out for you. i look out for every honest politician, i don't care what party they're in. >> now, i've never heard bill o'reilly tell a politician that he was looking out for him. that's what bill o'reilly tells his audience, i'm looking out for you. he's looking out for his audience. he's there to protect them. that's what he told his friend, donald trump, tonight. he's there to protect him. looking out for him, because as bill o'reilly sees it, donald trump is an honest politician. o'reilly's words "honest politician," came within the same minute that bill o'reilly asks donald trump about tweeting lies. bill o'reilly tells donald trump and his audience that the loudest liar he has ever seen run for president is an honest politician. why would anyone ever suspect that bill o'reilly is favoring donald trump? >> now, i don't want people to
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think i'm favoring donald trump, even though i know him. >> and that's tonight's last word. brussel's on lockdown. america on edge. this is "hardball." good evening, i'm alex wagner in for chris matthews. for a third straight day the city of brussels resembled a ghost town. shops closed, schools shut. one worker told the associated press it feels a bit like a dead city. the prime minister warned about an attack similar to the paris assault and raised the threat level to the highest designation. there is a massive manhunt under way for salah abdeslam. since sunday, police carried out