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tv   Mc Veigh Tapes Confessions of an American Terrorist  MSNBC  February 21, 2016 12:00am-1:01am PST

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>> death and loss are an integral part of life everywhere. people in oklahoma that lost loved ones, i'm sorry, but you know what? you have to accept it and move on. >> mcveigh's voice will lay out his version of events. using new facial replacement technology, we transform recreation shot with actors into visuals that graphically place mcveigh into the very scenes he describes. drawing from 45 hours of exclusive audiotapes, we'll go deeper than ever thought possible into the mindset of this calculating killer. >> people have compared oklahoma city to pearl harbor, as far as
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>> can you imagine, like, if lee harvey oswald had had the chance to spill his guts or john wilkes booth? i knew i had one of the most saddest and horrible stories that has ever been told in american journalism. >> i never had trouble admitting to my involvement in what i did, because i feel no shame for it. you see, with these tapes, i feel very free in talking. you've got this adrenaline pumping, but you force yourself to stay calm and not be noticed. i then pulled up to the light, which was red at the time, and then lit the main fuse, which was approximately two minutes.
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you could see someone calling me a coward with a 7,000-pound bomb. i lit the two-minute fuse at stoplight and i swear to god, that was the longest stoplight i ever sat in in my life. i'm thinking, okay, it's lit. green. green. i'm down, what, a minute 30? i pulled up to the building, pulled the parking brake, turned it off, and then i made sure my door was locked. stepped out and walked across the street. the mission was accomplished. i knew it was accomplished and it was over. >> without warning, all of a sudden, you hear this, you know, kaboom. it's just seconds that you just don't know what's happening.
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>> the first sound was the blast itself. >> everybody from the second up there, okay? >> i was hollering help, and there was six floors on us, but we didn't know it. people were everywhere. babies were crying and they were saying, "where are you? we'll get you. where are you?" >> i just remember the ceiling falling in, the windows shattering glass everywhere, and it being smokey. >> were our children on there? >> this is our office. we don't know the children. >> i saw mothers running down the street screaming because they couldn't find their kids. i was trying to get in the building, and this policeman yelled at me. and i said, "but you don't understand. my little boy's in there. i've got to go in there and get them."
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>> hell is breaking loose because nobody knows what's going on. and you walked out in the street and people are running and yelling and it seems like everybody's bleeding. >> the blast destroys one-third of the alfred p. murrah building, creating a 30-foot-wide, eight-foot deep crater, the equivalent of a 3.0 earthquake. overall, 324 buildings in a 16-block radius are damaged or destroyed. >> i thought first, well, maybe we had a natural gas explosion. but if it wasn't that, maybe we had an earthquake. and if it wasn't an earthquake, maybe a plane hit the building. >> but investigators quickly determine the cause of the massive destruction. >> the fbi, we are told now, has confirmed that it was a bomb that caused this explosion. >> this is one of the critical. >> millions around the world watch and wrestle with the mystery of why such a quiet midwestern city could be the target of a terrorist attack. >> it's a pretty all-american, average city. so you think, why here? why on earth would somebody do something so vicious in the middle of the heartland?
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>> as soon as we get an ambulance here, we'll have you in the air, all right? >> immediately after the bomb went off, there were commentators all over this country saying, you know, it's the muslims. it's the foreigners. >> some group calling itself the nation of islam saying it was responsible. that has not, however, been confirmed. but it does look like it could have been the kind of device that we saw outside the american embassy in beirut. >> while rumors and speculation about who is responsible swirl among the media, fbi agents are fortunate to catch a solid lead early on day one. >> within three hours of the bombing itself, the rear axle to the bomb-laden truck was found. that rear axle had a confidential vehicle identification number. we were able to identify that an individual by the name of timothy mcveigh was probably one of the main primary subjects. and the investigation started from there.
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>> back in mcveigh's birthplace in buffalo, new york, lou michel was looking for a way to work the hometown angle to get to the heart of who this guy really was. >> the fact that timothy mcveigh lived in niagara county, 15 minutes from my home, i wanted to know how niagara county could spawn such an evil act. i made it my business to become an expert on timothy mcveigh. because it isn't everyday that one of the worst domestic terrorists in american history comes from your backyard. >> by the winter of 1999, four years after the bombing, timothy mcveigh has been tried, convicted and sentenced to death. the looming execution sparked a mad sprint among media outlets around the world to get an exclusive interview. and in '99, he sent me this letter saying, "lou, i've considered a lot of different print journalists wanting to tell my story and i'd like you to consider it." and i was just flabbergasted. >> what resulted was "american terrorist," the only authorized biography ever written on timothy mcveigh. the 45 hours of audiotapes from those jailhouse interviews had been boxed up and collecting dust.
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until now. >> nobody has ever heard mcveigh in his own words speak about the bombing. >> well, here is a blueprint, an oral blueprint of what turned one young man into one of the worst mass murderers and terrorists in american history. >> the shrink would conclude, i'm not sure if they used the word psychopath or sociopath, and that is they have no respect for human life. far from that. i have great respect. but i also realize that my nature as a human being, that humans kill.
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by may of 1999, mcveigh has been convicted and sentenced to death for the oklahoma city bombing. >> i'm not going to go into that courtroom and curl into a fetal ball and cry just because the victims want me to. i've already accepted my death and that said to the victims, you can have what you want. i'll go to my death. you can be happy. i'll be happy. >> mcveigh was done with life. this was his ultimate statement. i knew i was there to get a confession from him. >> up to this point, mcveigh had said nothing publicly about his involvement in the bombing. but with a death sentence approaching, mcveigh chooses to trust lou michel and wastes little time getting to the core of the story. he begins by describing what drove him to choose the murrah building as his target. >> the building was chosen out of a phone book, looking in the blue pages and looking under law enforcement agencies. if you look under dea and u.s.
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marshal, atf, if they started giving the same address, you know they're all in one building. >> i think that what most people probably have not realized is how very carefully some of the details of this were planned out and for how long he had really been thinking about how to carry this off. >> mcveigh's plan requires the acquisition of thousands of pounds of materiels, all needing to be stored without detection. a job this big is too much for one person, so mcveigh calls on one of his only friends, ex-army buddy, terry nichols. >> terry nichols certainly believed the federal government was against the average person. he considered himself to be a prisoner in a country that wasn't his. >> beginning in september of '94 is really when they started to gather the ingredients. >> the both of them were buying the materiel for the bomb and collecting it. it was like a long-term project
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for them. because this is a 7,000-pound bomb they're building. >> they are going and making large purchases of ammonium nitrate in these 50-pound bags, this granular fertilizer that will make up half the bomb. they go around, they've got various storage sites where they're storing it and getting ready to pull it all together. >> mcveigh had nichols totally under his control. from the beginning, the plan was mcveigh's. nichols was a bit player.
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>> tim was born into a working-class family just north of buffalo, new york. >> it's a hard-working community of blue-collar folks. his father, his grandfather worked at an auto plant. the family he was born into was very typical american. timothy mcveigh was the first son in that family. he'd had an older sister and then later, a younger sister came along. >> growing up, to me, i was taught with my family that even getting a speeding ticket was like a sin-type thing. it wasn't this religious thing. i don't want to say sin in a religious tone. i mean like any breaking of the law is bad, tim. you should never break the law. >> after graduating from high school, mcveigh attends a local business college but gives it up after only one year. he is restless and looking for focus. >> he wanted excitement. he comes home, he tells his father, "i'm joining the army, dad." his father says, "when?" "well, i go in tomorrow."
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and bill said, "okay." >> in the spring of 1988, mcveigh chops off his hair and is shipped down to ft. benning, georgia, for basic training. from there, he is assigned a post at ft. riley, kansas. immediately, mcveigh takes to the discipline and regimentation of military life. >> i wanted to get out and experience the rest of the world. i wanted to get out of my isolation of pendleton and i wanted to be part of a team. i was a bit of a gun enthusiast, and so you can't go wrong, both brushing up your skills and the army has free ammunition. and the army is military experience for me, some of the best years of my life. >> i think that mcveigh found success really probably for the first time in his life in the army. i think mcveigh was looking for some kind of family that would make him happy.
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if you look back at where i come from, it's a military background, military mindset. and i want to be clear that the military didn't brainwash me into thinking this way. the truth is that the military helped introduce me to the cruelty of the real world and the way things work. >> in november of 1990, in response to saddam hussein's invasion of kuwait, timothy mcveigh and his ft. riley unit are shipped out to the persian gulf. >> the gulf war, for tim, was sort of the culmination of his young military career. the way that that mission was described to him, the mission of the u.s. was noble. >> during the gulf war, battles on the ground are rare. but for mcveigh and his platoon, one bloody encounter stands out from the rest. >> mcveigh looked into his pathfinder and saw the bradley fighting vehicle, and saw way out in the distance a group of iraqi soldiers.
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>> i put the cross-hairs up there, pulled off my shot. and the next thing i saw was everything from above his shoulders disappear in red dust. it was like a red mist. and the guy next to him dropped. i did kill in self-defense. it was a single shot that got two guys. >> that moment for tim was a moment of pride. he did what he had been trained to do, did it very effectively. >> i think tim's time at war, as short as it is, did teach him to kill. but then you start to see these people who are starving and suffering the effects of war and beginning to realize that the government is evil because it can go kill these innocent people. >> my overall experience in the gulf war taught me that these people were just that, they were people. they were human beings that, even though they speak a different language, at the core, they're no different than me. right? then i had to reconcile that with the fact that, well, i
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killed them. >> he couldn't believe that his government would be doing that and would be misleading people like him to do this. >> in the gulf, i realized that i didn't like being someone's pawn, because i felt it was abused in the gulf. it just rubbed the wrong way. that's one of the reasons i got out of the military. >> he failed, so he had to demonize the military itself and the government itself to make a reason for him, an honorable enough reason for him to leave. >> upon returning home after almost four years in the army, mcveigh discovers civilian life is not as liberating as he had hoped. >> i was so excited to get out of the military and go home. and when i got home, there was no excitement there. once you've had that adrenaline rush, once someone's walked on the razor's edge, everything is dull by comparison. some people get addicted to it.
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>> when tim came home, he really seemed changed. he just really didn't, at that point, want to talk about his army experiences at all. it was like he just washed his hands of the whole thing. ble. the new pro-v formula micro-targets weak spots... ...making every inch stronger so i can love my hair longer. pantene. strong is beautiful. get even faster results with pantene expert, our most... ...intensely concentrated pro-v formula.
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in january 1993, timothy mcveigh is frustrated by the dead-end existence he has been enduring since leaving the army and still is shaken by his experiences in the gulf war. eager to figure out his mission in life, mcveigh packs up his car and says good-bye to his quiet hometown of pendleton, new york. >> i lasted at home for one year and one month. this whole neighborhood, this ain't for me. i don't have a place here, i haven't fallen in love, and then i hit the road. >> the odyssey that he was living in the early '90s was really bizarre. he thought nothing of getting in
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his car and driving hundreds or even thousands of miles, and he was searching for something. he finds like-minded thinkers on the gun show circuit. during the early 1990s, they are gathering places for the fast growing militia movement. he finds an outlet for his growing rage. >> i mean, you could find an amazing amount of literature on forming militias and building weapons. they are amazingly anti-government. >> one of my favorite bumper stickers. when guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns. my new favorite is, when guns
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are outlawed i will be an outlaw. it was at that point that i was fully intent in my life that i was going to live outside the law. >> he started to believe that our government was going to come in to people's homes and take their guns away. and this scared the hell out of tim mcvey. >> at least four federal agents and -- >> on february 28th, 1993. outside the central texas town of waco, many in the patriot movement believed the spark to the next war is ignited. >> you come points guns in the direction of my wives and kids, damn it, i will meet you at the door any time. >> in an effort to take the leader in to custody, federal agents raid his compound and a massive firefight breaks out. >> six dividians and four agents were killed and that started the
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51 day standoff. >> it was a clash between federal law enforcement might and withdrawn people who were fiercely protective of their community. >> you feel a bond in the community, the bond is that their fellow gun owners, believing in gun rights and fellow survivalists and freedom lovers. >> when do you draw the line and say enough is enough? somebody has to send a message to say, you can't go any further. and mcveigh got in his junk car and drove to waco texas to find out what was going on. >> michelle rousch was at the compound to investigate the story. it was not until one year after the oklahoma city bombing that she realized the man she interviewed on the hood of his car was none other than timothy
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mcveigh. >> he was very unassuming and very casual, sitting on the hood of his car. very articulate. tim said, people need to watch what's happening and heed any warning signs. at the time, i thought, what does that mean? well, when i went back and read that in my article, it gave me chills because i thought, did that mean oklahoma city? was he foreshadowing? >> after camping in his car outside the branch dividian compound for a few days he drives to terry nicholls farm. >> on april 19th, 1993, mcveigh and nicholls watched the violent end of the siege on television. >> i'm watching flames lick out of windows and i'm watching tanks ram walls and my eyes just welled up in tears.
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and tears started coming down my cheeks. and i'm watching this scene unfold. just stood there, and i was in stunned silence. what is this? what has america become? and i just remember that scene, it burned in to my memory. i'm emotional right now as i talk about it. you know, i felt absolute rage. >> tim saw this as an act of war against the people. >> the rules of engagement, if not written down are defined by the actions of an aggressor, okay, now what rules of engagement with you interpret in examining waco, kids are fair game, women are fair game? >> i think that was the final moment for mcveigh, right, he said it? now we aring operational. now is the time for action.
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nbc projects that donald trump is the winner of the south carolina primary. florida center marco rub yo will finish in second place. and after coming in at 8% jeb bush has suspended his campaign. it's the 18th of april, 1995, just 24 hours before the tragedy in oklahoma city. and timothy mcveigh is in possession of a rented 20 foot
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ryder truck, terry nicholls is trying to back out and refusing to join him to build the 7,000 pound bomb. >> he told mcveigh, i'm out. i don't want to be involved with this. mcveigh got him on the phone and yelled and screamed at him and told him, you're in this. you are going to help me put this bomb together. >> but mcveigh, brow-beat nichols in to seeing the plan out. >> mcveigh is in charge. mcveigh becomes the alpha male in the small conspiracy to get even with the federal government. >> it takes four hours for mcveigh, now joined by nichols to build the massive bomb. when it's done, mcveigh and nichols part ways for the last time, with nichols going home to his family. >> i headed toward oklahoma, and
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finally thought, am i going to be able to sleep, right? from the most part, i was at peace in the gulf war, when b-52s would come over and do their carpet bombing, okay, i was literally, i could feel the ground tremble under my sleeping bag, so sleeping on a 7,000 pound bomb was no big deal. >> the weather along the kansas/oklahoma border is crisp and clear whether the sunrises on the morning of april 19th, 1995. 100 miles north of oklahoma city, timothy mcveigh wakes at dawn after sleeping soundly on the side of the highway in the cab of his rented ryder truck, now loaded with 7,000 pounds of explosives, ready to ignite. >> he had intended to bomb the building at 11:00 in the morning. and he decides at the last minute, despite his talk about how he had every detail of the
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plan worked out in advance, he decides to go right away, there's too much chance to get caught, so you leaves at 7:00 in the morning. >> mcveigh gets off the highway a few minutes before 9:00 a.m. upon entering downtown, there are moments when he isn't sure he will be able to complete his mission. >> you've got this adrenalin pumping, but you force yourself to stay calm and not be noticed. then pulled up to the light which was red at the time. i did the two minute fuse at the stoplight. and i swear to god that was the longest stop light i sat at in my life. i'm thinking, okay, it's lit. green. green. >> there's kind of an amazing moment as the fuses are burning back from the cab of the truck in to the rear. mcveigh is kind of tapping his fingers at a red light and counting down the last 2:00. >> he has the windows rolled
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down as he is approaching the light because he did not anticipate that smoke would fill the cab. >> people are going to think it's suspicious, so while accelerating, i had to roll the window down, i was adjusting to turn on the fan and the fan cleared out of the smoke because when i pull up, it's going to look funny. i rolled the windows up as i pulled in. >> he pulls up the truck. locks the doors and strides across the street. i walk slowly, because it avoids suspicion. you have to be calm and controlled. it's part of the control over yourself. walked across the street. i walked square toward the ymca, once i was in the blind alley of the ymca where nobody could look, i did jog because i knew nobody was looking. just for my own personal pride,
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i make sure i use the word jog there, i was not running in a panic or nothing, it was a conscious decision to jog. >> he is very specific on that. that he did not start running. it was just a gentle trot, because in his words, i'm a professional. and i'm not afraid. but he is waiting, when is this bomb going to go off? >> so he started thinking to himself, am i going to have to go back there and shoot the bomb to ignite it? and just as he was thinking of that the bomb blew up. >> blast went off, and i felt the concussion, both the air and at my feet. >> it goes off, and just rattles all the buildings around him, and he never goes back to look at his handiwork. >> so i both heard it clearly through my earplugs and literally i was lifted off the
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ground. i didn't feel the skin contorting, but you could feel the pressure in the air. there's no doubt about it. you feel an over pressure. >> it was like an earthquake, only very loud. he said he just kept walking toward his get away car. which was parked a couple of blocks away. >> i'm walking, and everyone else is coming out of their stores and i'm walking the otherer way. i know this may sound like i'm cold and detached, but, remember this is military training. i was never hyped up, i was always in complete control. >> the mission was accomplished, i knew it was accomplished and it was over. >> i think that when mcveigh talks about the actual bombing, the carrying out of the last few minutes of the bombing, he is not almost bragging, he is boasting, completely, you know.
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it's all about, you know, i'm the consumate technician and his whole concern is to show that he is always icy cool, calm and collected. but you know, what the guy is talking about is mass murder on an incredible scale, including the murder of children. i felt very much that this is a guy who has no connection to any kind of emotions, really, at all. >> mcveigh makes it to his get away car. behind him, lay the ruins of the worst terrorist attack the united states had ever seen. what lies ahead is one of the biggest american man-hunts of all time.
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timothy mcveigh drives north
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away from the wreckage toward the kansas border, but the car he is driving has no license plates. mcveigh says that was a deliberate choice. >> at this point, since i had dealt myself a wild card with leaving the license plate off, because when you leave a license plate off, you cannot predict who will pull you over and when. so the entire trip, every inch of my tire rolling on the interstate, i'm probably thinking, okay, what am i going to do at this stage in it happens. what am i going to do at this stage. >> i just can't see how he would leave that plate off. because so much of his, his plan was very meticulously thought out. it always perplexed me. >> just 75 minutes after the bombing, mcveigh is pulled to the side of the highway by oklahoma state trooper charlie hanger. up until this moment, mcveigh said he convinced he was making
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a clean get away. it turns out, he almost did. >> hanger was a fluke, because he said he was just at the exit, i was within spitting distance of the exit. he said he was going to get to the exit and go up on the over pass and turn around and head back, they were requesting assistance in oklahoma and he was going to head that way. yeah, so it was within you know, one mile an hour more and that 20 mile stretch and he would not have seen me, because i would have been passed. >> mcveigh is handcuffed and taken to the nearest local lockup in the small town of perry, oklahoma. he is charged with misdemeanors of driving a vehicle without plates and carrying a weapon without a permit. at booking he is calm and unassuming. >> i talked to the people who booked him in. nice boy. not nervous. didn't show anything. this kid can mask what's going on inside of him very well.
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>> mcveigh is booked two hours after the bombing and still doesn't know the degree of damage he has inflicted. but while waiting for a cell to be available, he catches sight of a television, showing imagines of the carnage. >> it was at the perry courthouse when they were booking me in and i was watching the tv and of course, i'm absorbing it without pretending i'm not, right? pretending i'm worried about being arrested and all this stuff. >> that's what he caught the first glimpse of the building and his reaction was damn, i didn't take the building completely down. >> mcveigh waits all that first day to be identified but nothing happens. meanwhile, the hunt for the bomber is on. an international thman hunt is started, several saw a second man in the ryder truck prior to the bombing. >> while mcveigh is in prison in
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this little relative ocean of solitude, just waiting for something to happen, the rest of the country is up tight in knots, wondering if there's going to be another attack. people are wondering, is this somebody from the middle east who could do this? fbi agents comb the debris to who could have been behind bombing. they quickly locate a very revealing piece of evidence. >> it was within three hours of the bombing itself that the rear axle to the bomb laden truck was located and found. that rear axle had a confidential vehicle identification number, which took us to the ryder truck and took us to kansas to start the investigation there as to who rented the vehicle.
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federal agents swarmed junction city kansas. and talked to the owner of elliott's body shop, where mcveigh rented the ryder truck. they emerge with the description of the renter. robert kling, a tall white male with a military buzz cut. down the street at the dreamland motel, the manager said that the description sounds like a man who stayed there days before, a guest registered under the name, tim mcveigh. the question remains, why would he use his real name? it's turning out that mcveigh has left clues everywhere. >> you have to realize that inside that marquis was a big thick brown nfl with all kinds of anti-government literature. espousing his viewpoints. and he is wearing a t-shirt that has a quote from john wilkes
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booth when he shot lincoln. sic semper tiranis, tyrants forever. and there's the words of thomas jefferson on the back, that the tree of liberty must be watered from time to time with the blood of tyrants and patriots. >> i left a trail on purpose, i had a few pieces in the car. i had a piece on my back, it was a shirt. so even if i wouldn't have been apprehended and had a trial, i would have still gain today benefit of automatically of being identified. i had already had it in place. >> by the time federal agents identify mcveigh, two days after the bombing. he is being arraigned and about to be released from the noble county jail. just an hour or so from being set free, agents contact the sheriff to put a hold on mcveigh to keep him in custody.
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they rush to perry to meet with their number one suspect. but despite his claiming that he wanted to be caught, mcveigh isn't talking. >> this guy says, you better talk to us, because you are facing the death penalty here, dah, dah, dah, pulls out pictures of dead babies and slides it toward me. and he said, you are familiar with the oklahoma bombing, right? or something to that affect. some way to introduce the pictures. and make me feel bad and start talking. it didn't work, i just kept a straight face and i said, i want an attorney. >> that same afternoon, at had his home in harrington, kansas, after learning he had become a person of interest, terry nichols turns himself in. unlike mcveigh, nichols cooperates with authorities he is not the unidentified accomplice they are looking for but provides enough information to point to mcveigh as being the architect of the bombing. they are prepared to take him
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out of the noble county courthouse, it's the first time that the world gets a look at the oklahoma city bomber. >> there were steps leading down to the courthouse, and i had to concentrate on where the steps were going to be without dipping my head down and looking down because people would take dipping my head down as a sign of defeat or something. and i'm in leg chains. if you ever tried to walk down stairs and your stride is too long. it will trip you. those were the things i was thinking of. >> i think the overall reaction was that looks like the kid down the block. how could he have done what he did?
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among the 168 killed and nearly 700 killed in the attack,
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dozens are children. pau paula's daughter was 3-1/2 years old when the bomb tore through the classroom. >> following the bombing, jordan had much difficulty sleeping. she had nightmares. she had extreme separation anxiety. she was diagnosed with post tramatic stress disorder, and underwent therapy for that, where she drew pictures and related her anger about the situation. and you remember thinking that the person who did that to so many families that they should, they should like have some consequences for us. they should not just get away with it. >> you know, she -- she wanted him punished. the ultimate punishment for him.
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>> janey coverdale lott her two grandsons that day. they were just beginning their daycare when the explosion took their lives. >> i remember the day they told us, aaron and elijah were dead, i remember me screaming at god. it took me a long time to get over some of that anger. so now, i go visit aaron and elijah out at the cemetery. sometimes i get angry then too. they were little boys. and you just don't murder little kids. aaron would be 20 years old now. elijah would be 17. sometimes during the day, you going to cry. or there's going to be something that's going to remind you of the bombing. and you are right back where you were. on april 19th, 1995, we don't
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ever get too far from there. >> clear the area. go around the building. >> there were reports of up to 50,000 people in the oklahoma city area suffering symptoms of post traumatic stress disorder. i looked at all the photos from the crime scene and the coroner's office, it was overwhelming. >> death and loss are an integral part of life everywhere. and accidents like plane crashes where you lose 100, 200 people, all the examples i will give you right now, are unexpected losses. we have to accept it and move on. >> he was very hostile to the victims. really, almost deattaching himself from their hurt all together. >> i had no hesitation to look
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right at them and listen to their story, but i would like to say to them, i heard your stories many times before, the specific details may be unique, but the truth is you are not the further mother to lose a kid. you are not the first grandparent to lose a granddaughter or grandson. i will use the phrase, and it sounds col, but i'm sorry, i will use it because it's the truth, get over it. >> more than two years after the oklahoma city bombing, a federal jury finds timothy mcveigh guilty on 11 counts of murder and conspiracy. on june 13th, 1997, mcveigh is sentenced to death. >> to any realist in that situation, you pretty much know they are going to get the death sentence regardless of what happens in trial. so, i had accepted that from the beginning. so my entire attitude the whole time, including now, every day is -- seize the day.
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i have already accepted my death and in that sense, the victims you can have what you want. this earth holds nothing more for me. okay. i'm ready to move on. >> mcveigh was done with life, he wanted to be executed. he wanted to go down in flames. and put it in the government's face that you're killing me for killing people. in the crudest terms, 168-1, if you had it on the scoreboard. so, i sit here today content that there's no way that they can beat me by executing me. >> early on the morning of june 11th, 2001, timothy mcveigh is brought to the death chamber. you asked what i would be feeling on the, whatever gurney, contentment and peace. peace is an important word to put in there. i didn't want to just leave it at contentment, i will be content and peaceful.
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due to mature subject matter, viewer discretion is advised. they openly declared war against each other. we know that they're preparing themselves for battle. >> back pages of your phone book there, you have a lot of inmates' names and numbers. why? >> because they're my homies. >> the guys i talked to said you are not going to be able to do anything about it. they're going to retaliate.


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