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force to nationalize the election. >> thank you both. that's "all in" for this evening. rachel maddow starts now. good evening. thanks. we have been covering this story out of alabama where the family values sanctity of marriage, far right republican governor in that state, he may ultimately getting turfed out of office after extensive and increasingly lurid details have been made public about him having an affair with one of his staffers. he's apologized for his behavior in that relationship. he's also denied that anything physical ever happened in that relationship. now because of that very specific denial that nothing physical ever happened, because of that, the very specific language and the anatomical descriptions of behavior that
can be found in his phone sex tapes, those details have become really specifically newsworthy both in alabama and for the rest of us in the country in terms of reporting out and trying to figure out whether that read state governor is going to resign or get impeached or maybe stay in office despite all of this. in reporting on that alabama story, we have been playing alabama governor robert bentley's phone sex tapes here on the show, here on the news, over and over again which is weird. even though i firmly believe it's newsworthy and important. that said, since we have been covering this story in alabama, we have heard from a few different viewers who have explained that sometimes they like to eat dinner while watching this show and our coverage of this alabama story is making that difficult.
turns out governor robert bentley's hubba, hubba talk is spoiling a lot of people's appetites. i'm sorry about that. that said, tonight we do have what i think is an important update on that alabama story. because of these concerns that have been voiced to us. tonight we're going to put off that story until the very end of this hour. specifically, so y'all can have some time to digest before we get to it. you're welcome. we do also need to start tonight with an unappetizing story of a different kind. be story we start with concerns the d.c.madam. pamela martin and associates operated as an escort service in washington, d.c. from the early to mid-1990s until 2007 when it all came to a screeching halt because the woman who ran the escort service was brought up on criminal charges in d.c.
i don't know whether she and her attorney felt at the time they had a lot of different options for how they defend themselves against the charges, but what they settled on is their defense strategy in the d.c. madam case is they would threaten to out their d.c. customers. they threatened to expose customers of this high end escort service as of way to get the government off their back. it made for some explosive political news at the time. >> faced with charges of running a washington, d.c. prostitution ring, debra jean is trying an unusual defense. giving phone records, a list of numbers to a news organization to smoke out the names of former clients. >> i expect the reporting to help identify potential witnesses for my defense. >> she admits running an escort service. the government claims it made more than $2 million through illegal prostitution.
she denies that. >> i operated a sexual, albeit legal business for 13 years. >> her lawyer says she has no record of who the clients were who could testify. >> she never kept a black book. she kept telephone records. significant resources are required to call the individuals. >> she gave phone records to abc news which has figured out one name, a state department official who resigned last weekend though he said nothing illegal happened. >> he felt as though the circumstances dictated the fact he should resign. we understand that. we appreciate his taking that step. >> threatening to reveal the names of prominent washingtonians will not get prosecutors to back off. >> that strategy did not get prosecutors to back off. it was their strategy. the state department official was the george w. bush
administration's aide's czar at the time who had taken a hard line against prostitution in the george w. bush anti-aids effort which he headed up. when his name turned up in the phone records, he had to go. his was not the only famous name that emerged from the way the d.c madam and her attorney chose to defend themselves. >> we move to louisiana where republican senator david vitter made his first public appearance. he went under ground after the d.c. madam sex scandal. he's longed campaigned for legislation as part of his platform of strict family values, defense of marriage. last week he admitted in a statement he made some serious mistakes. tonight the senator and his wife spoke for the first time since. the story from nbc chip reed.
>> republican senator made his first public appearance today since admitting one week ago he had been linked to an alleged prostitution ring. >> i want to offer my deep, sincere apologies to all those i have let down and disappointed with these actions from my past. i am completely responsible, and i'm so very, very sorry. >> the phone number was found in the records of the d.c. madam who operated an escort service that she says was legitimate . >> this was an unusual defense in this criminal case. it was not just unusual as a strategy. it was also unusual in terms of its logistics. what happened at the time is the head of this escort agency and
her lawyer, they gave a list of phone numbers of the escort agency's clients to a news organization and asked the news organization to figure out who the phone numbers belonged to. once they figured that out, the names became reportable information and that is what created the d.c. madam sex scandal of 2007. it didn't keep him from getting reelected to the u.s. senate. it's not like he ever escaped scot-free. his democrat opponent in the louisiana opponent race hit him with the d.c. madam scandal all these years later. it was the most effective thing about his campaign for governor in louisiana this year. now john bell edwards is the governor of louisiana and david vitter is not. he's now out of a job. even though these revelations first broke almost ten years ago.
they continue to hang over individual politicians careers and individual government officials lives. in addition to that, there's long been a sort of loose end in that scandal and in that story, which was that the rest of the d.c. madam escort phone records never got publicly released. that's where this story takes a turn toward this year's presidential campaign. debra jean was ultimately convicted in the d.c. madam case. she faced a long term in prison on what turned out to be racketeering charges. sad end is she killed herself in the spring of 2008. her lawyer, who was her lawyer then and says he continues -- the man who was her lawyer then says he continues to be the legal custodian of the remaining d.c. madam escort service phone records from this case.
he's still around. he says he's still got the records but since 2007, he's been under a court order which says he cannot release any of those records that he's got. now, something has happened. we don't know what exactly. something has made the lawyer not only want to release the records, he says he plans to release the old records from the d.c. madam case despite that still existing court order. he says he has a right to release them and he says he has a duty to release those records because it's now in the national interest that he do so and that he do so quickly. this is kind of amazing but in court filings, which we obtained today, the lawyer from the old d.c. madam case, he claims that at the start of this year, january 2016, he quote came to believe that information contained in the sealed from the
public records from the d.c. madam case contain information relevant to this upcoming presidential election. he tells the court he feels duty to publish matters of public concern. he said he's determined to exercise his right to engage in a free discussion of the importance of these sealed records and on january 13th he took action to do that. on january 13th he filed a motion with the federal court in washington which issued a gag order. he said release me. let me release the records. it's a matter of national importance. that court was not having it. they kicked it right back to him. that was in january. then at the beginning of march, the same lawyer decided he would go upstairs. he would go to the appeals court in washington, d.c. as far as we can tell having filed his motion, the first week of march, first week of this month, he hasn't heard back yet from that appeals court.
now, he feels he can't wait any longer for a response because he has just filed this motion with the united states supreme court arguing that time is of the essence here. literally, literally he argues time is of the essence. that's in the filing. he's asking the united states supreme court to release him from this gag order on the d.c. madam phone records. he's asking the supreme court to let him put the records out there publicly. this is from his filing. time is of the essence. giving the significance of the political upcoming and primarys in the looming republican and democratic conventions on july 18th and 25th and given the impact of the presently sealed from the public record that the attorney seeks to release, expedited resolution to this application is incumbent upon this court. he says that these records he wants to release will have an affect on the nation's electoral deliberations.
he says if the supreme court doesn't act quickly, the court will deprive the people of information they may deem material to the exercise of their electoral franchise. just in case it's not clear enough, he's insinuating there's there's something in the phone records that will affect how people vote for president. he spells it out more clearly. this is the next line. the delay by this court and resolution of this application in hooind sight will favor one candidate over the other by protecting that candidate which the attorney maintains are relevant to this election cycle. look closely. you see that be. owe see on the word hindsight. that's a footnote. there's a little one there. lesson in terms of producing legal filings for maximum political and news impact, all
the put the good stuff in the footnote. it's a really good dramatic device. this footnote ends up being the whole shabang here. the reason it's a famous case, the reason that david vitter is not governor and george bush aid's policy is not just remembered for good stuff done in africa but for the hooker guy preaching against prostitution, the whole reason this whole story exists and all its political fall out exists to this day is because when charge inside that prostitution case a decade ago, the woman that ran this escort service they decided the best defense to her being charged criminally was to threaten to release their client information about who used the services of this escort agency in washington. that was their strategy and at the time ten years ago it did not work. now, almost a decade later that
same strategy is at work again. apparently with some relation to the presidential race. that same strategy is what's being employed by the same lawyer with the united states supreme court now. in that footnote, in footnote number one, the old attorney from the d.c. madam case says if the supreme court does not act to release him from this gag order, if he doesn't get quick resolution that's a burning importance of this presidential election. what will he do? he will just consider the restraining order void, which means he's just going to release the records himself if he doesn't hear back from the supreme court. tick tock. will simply release publicly the verizon wireless subpoena returns records of 815 washington, d.c. clients of the d.c. madam escort service.
that's what he says he will do if the supreme court does not give him permission to do it. we contacted him to see if he really means it. he says he does. i'm not a lawyer. this is not a professional opinion, presumably he's risk being jailed on contempt of court charges if he does this. he says not only will he release the 815 names, one he says will be relevant to the presidential election, not only will he release the names and addresses, he says he'll release them within two weeks. and, so, welcome to the next chapter in one of the most lurid elections we've had. it's possible this is a bluff and a bid for attention. he's called a colorful lawyer. he's sued u.s. justices before.
he's had his law license suspended for three years. his strategy back in day of releasing all those names in the initial d.c. madam trial back in 2007, that produced more publicity than anything constructive for his client. make of him what you will. make of his motivations what you will. if you thought the national enquirer allegations last week was as low as this presidential campaign would go, now behold the trailing ends of one of the saddest, weirdest, longest running washington, d.c. sex scandals ever. if you thought the d.c. madam story was over, if you think this stuff is too old to matter anymore, just run that by governor vittiier down in baton rouge. watch this space. i know how it is. you're all set to book a flight using your airline credit card miles.
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it's the stuff he does. last year after he tried to solicit people online to take out a particularly civil rights activist he didn't like, he was sid lined by more mainstream conservative kbleed. he was banned from twitter never to be heard from on twitter again. until this month when the donald trump for president campaign decided to rehabilitate them. they decided to use that guy. a woman named michelle fields reports for a conservative website. she tried to ask mr. trump a question. she says a man grabbed her arm very firmly and nearly pulled her to the ground. she later tweeted this photo of bruises on her arm which were pursuant to be grabbed by that person. reporter confirmed her accounts and that he talked to the reporter immediately after the incident about what she had
experienced. the person who and the washington post corroborator say did this was donald trump's campaign manager, corey lewandowski. the way he responded to the allegations from this reporter was that he decided the try to ruin her reputation. he spent a whole day tweeting lurid allegations about her, including posts from this creepy, will publish your nursing home guy who is no longer allowed on twitter. this is mr. trump's campaign manager citing articles by the world creepiest blogger. this is how they made their argument. this is how they attempted to discredit the reporter who she says was man handled by the trump campaign manager. you are totally delusional. i never touched you. donald trump also told reporters he thought the reporter made up
the whole thing. today there's new tape of the incident which appears to show corey lewandowski touching that reporter. this tape was released by the police department of jupiter, florida where mr. trump's campaign manager turned himself in to police after facing one charge of simple battery. that's a misdemeanor charge that his lawyer says he's innocent. candidate donald trump said he's proud of that tape. here's the very first thing mr. trump said when asked about his campaign manager turning himself into the police to face these charges, to face this charge. >> i can only say corey's a fine person. the tapes were supplied by me. this is a very end club.
we had tapes all over the place. we supplied those tapes. the tape was given by me because my places are very successful. i have cameras all over the ceiling. that tape was given by me. >> donald trump has only the best tapes. very beautiful tapes. huge tapes. big league. big league. big league. now that we have this huge tape, the argument from the trump camp is no longer that the campaign manager, corey lewandowski, never touched michelle fields. the argument is the touching wasn't that bad. mr. trump said there was no chargeable offense. he said reporters get roughed up more than that. he said maybe she faked bruises and she was grabbed at him and maybe he, donald trump, should file charges against her. however, you feel about the nature of the touching of that reporter by donald trump's campaign manager, that campaign
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>> mr. trump said repeatedly he'll stick by his campaign manager. is that a reflex reaction on his part or is there something special about this staffer and case that has him going in that direction? >> there is something special about corey lewandowski. as much as trump is expanding his orbit and his campaign as he nears possibly being the nominee. at the heart of this campaign is a small group of operatives advisors led by lewandowski who are outsiders of republican politics. they have grown close to the candidate. trump believes that group has guided them. he's committed to stay with them. that's based on all the reporting i've done today through trump's orbit. >> if he's convicted on this charge, will he be able to keep running the trump campaign? >> most national republicans are
very concerned that he could become a distraction. at the same time, trump and his high command show no signs of moving away from him. they believe he has been maligned. that's the line today to reporters. they're sticking with him. >> if mr. lewandowski has this to continue to deal with, there's the question of will he be any good of running the campaign. i know you've been reporting on the trump campaign's efforts to try to switch to this delegate issue to lock down the delegates for the convention. are they doing a good job of that? >> they're definitely expanding the operation. you have to think about the campaign at large which is including former carson advisors. they're bringing in a long time reagan hand to help out with convention planning and delegates. you have the inner circle. corey lewandowski, michael
glassner, a former aide to sarah palin and bob doyle. that's the group that travels with him on the plane. the operation, you're seeing people from throughout the party gravitating towards trump. some recommended by chris christie, some by jeff sessions. it's more of a different, wider galaxy. >> do you perceive those concentric circles with the interesting dynamics, loyalties and stretched loyalties, do you perceive it will be the operation that say ted cruz has put in place for the convention? >> they're running from behind at the moment. cruz objective reporting has more operatives working at the state conventions. that's where trump is really limited. he's trying to pick up some momentum because it's not just about winning the states.
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let's say your unlucky enough to live in part of the world will al qaeda has come in and decided to take over your town. say one of the branches of al qaeda has decided your town will be their new home base. they'll set up a new al qaeda state there. however, lucky for you, turns out it doesn't work out for them. one night in the middle of night, all the al qaeda guys get up and take off. they realize that they're plan for your town is not working out for some reason. maybe they fear they're about to be attacked. maybe they get an idea they would rather take over somewhere else. for whatever reason they bug out leaving all their al qaeda junk behind in their al qaeda house. here's the question. who gets all their al qaeda junk?
who gets all their paper work, including like al qaeda manifestos and job applications and receipts and expenses. what happens to that stuff one al qaeda flees in the middle of the night? when that did happen in january 2013, the person who got all that stuff was a freaking excellent reporter who worked for the ap and now works for the new york times. her beat for years now has been international islamic extremism, specifically terrorist groups like al qaeda and isis. you might remember a story from a couple of years ago about al qaeda having one particularly terrible employee in west africa. remember the story about how his bosses sent him a scathing letter describing how he wasn't answering the phone when they called. he didn't turn in his expense reports, he wasn't following al qaeda instructions. they upset with him for failing to carry out any operation.
he stormed out. he quit. he cut ties with al qaeda international and formed his own competing terrorist group. whatever you think about that guy as a terrorist, when you're al qaeda, that guy's a bad employee. that incredible tale was her story. she recovered that letter about that bad employee from the house. you might heard about the ransom payments even though the governments deny the allegations. the piece reports since 2008, al qaeda has made over $100 million in revenue off of ransom payments for hostages. then there was the piece after the "charlie hebdo" attack that the two brothers evolved from amateur, pitiful terrorists into
the radicalize skilled killers over the years under the eyes of authorities. that was her story. earlier this month there was a devastating, gut wrenching story on isis' sex slaves that included interviews from more than three dozen women and girls who escaped isis' capture and described how they were forced to take birth control and they went to make they didn't get pregnant while they were raped. i can't believe we know these stories by the same reporter. this time it is the stuff of nightmares for real. this time it's about how isis operates the specific part of
their operation that isn't preoccupied with fighting assad in syria or governing mosil. what she's been able to document is the specific part of that organization that exists purely to kill people outside of the territory that isis controls and specifically to kill people in europe and the west. when i say specific, i mean specific. she's just reported the name of the software that these guys have been given by isis to delete their whole online history from any computer they work on. she's reported the name of the software they use to encrypt their communications. she's described the apartment building that's been set up as a dorm. specifically for these isis trainees who are about to sent back into europe to commit terrorist attacks in europe. she reports the name of the
senior official in isis who oversees this operation. he's the minister of propaganda for isis. he's got a $5 million price on his head by the u.s. department of justice program. he also reports on the guy under him who ran the program. who personally ran the program to send isis fighters into europe specifically to go shoot people in europe and blow things up in europe. she reports his name. she reports his driving habits. she reports the way he recruited people, how he treated them once he recruited with. who he was happy with. she reports the nickname he gave recruits to use for him. turns out what he wanted them to call him was dad. by the way, that's not like a word that means something else in arabic. just dad. ugh.
there's only two pieces of good news here. one, this guy running the european branch of this external operations bureau for isis, this guy this charge of fighting specifically to leave and go back and commit terrorist attacks this europe. he's believed to be dead. he's one of the the guys believed to be killed this paris. there's a reporter at the new york times doing work this fascinating. she's here tonight for the interview. i hope i didn't embarrass you. thank you for being here. >> thank you for having me. >> let's talk about this newest scoop you've got. it seems like what you've got access to which nobody had been able the report on in the western media was interrogation reports and intelligence documents from european agencies. i don't want to ask you how you got those things. what is so telling about that
kind of documentation that lets you tell this stuff in such grandular details. >> i don't want to claim as if i'm the first one to have gotten this entire pile. what i have done is i've brought new analysis to it. what we're seeing is that the accepted wisdom on isis was that unlike al qaeda, they were interested in holding territory and building a state. al qaeda was interested in hitting the west. in fact, that's wrong. it was never binary. it was always a question of both. as of two years ago, two years before the brussels attacks, isis was sending operatives back. leaves isis held territory including how the make a bomb. he leaves in december 2013. arrested in february of 2014. we don't know for sure, was he
sent by isis or did he come of his own volition. soon after him there's another guy, he goes onto attack the brussels jewish museum. at the time we're told he was acting alone. documents show he was in direct contact, he has a 20-minute telephone call before the attacks with the architect of the paris attacks. >> he's not operating on his own terms. he's been dispatched by isis central to do this? >> correct. when he's arrested, his mugshot is all over europe. one of the french hostages that was chained to james foley immediately recognizes him as one of people who tortured him. the hostages were a very precious resource. they were getting millions of euros for the europeans and a propaganda hit for killing the americans. not everybody has access to those hostages. this is a man not only had access to guarding them but
torturing them. he's not just anybody. that's what european officials told us at the moment of his capture in may of 2014. we go on. i was able to document 21 people, these are europeans. almost all of them french and belgiums who leave europe, go to syria, train under isis. then come back. they infiltrate europe. some of them are on commercial flights. they are not coming through the refugee route. they're able to return to europe and try to commit plots in europe. luckily most of them are stopped. yet, this ark of these people coming back roughly every two months was missed. we describe paris as a change in strategy. it was not a change in strategy. it's been going on for two years. >> is it good news that the man who you identify as the head ope dispatch fighters to europe,
that we believe he's dead? >> it's always a good thing when one of these operatives is taken out, but let's go back to bin laden. when he was killed we were told that al qaeda is falling apart. it wasn't true. al qaeda is still here today. just a couple of weeks ago they did the attack on the resort. before that they did an attack on another hotel. these are places i know. before that on the radisson blue. this is a group we were told was degraded after the head was killed and the way these organizations have been built is in this very organic manner. it regenerates itself after a leader is taken out. >> the way they adopt to the pressure they're under, it's
scarey, but i feel like it makes me feel better to understand more about how they operate. i'm happy to be informed and afraid. you do such a great job on this. >> thank you. i'm really touched. >> she is a foreign correspondent for "the new york times" and "the new york times" is smart to have her. ♪ i built my business with passion. but i keep it growing by making every dollar count. that's why i have the spark cash card from capital one. i earn unlimited 2% cash back on everything i buy for my studio. ♪ and that unlimited 2% cash back from spark means thousands of dollars each year going back into my business... that's huge for my bottom line. what's in your wallet?
the years is that we didn't set out to do it in advance, but we've turned into the national news show that covers governors in trouble. for instance paula page in main whose offices will tell us how many people in main have written to the governor to ask him to resign in office. also the democrat of oregon who did have to resign last year or there's rick snyder of michigan whose administration poisoned that town. there's this guy from alabama whose situation is getting more serious by the day. the latest on alabama's surprisingly embattled governor is just ahead. stay with us.
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so when last we checked in on whether or not alabama's going to cashier its republican family values governor because of a sex scannedal, the republican party had called on the governor to resign. alabama government is pretty much a one party republican affair at this point. forgive me for saying affair. because of that nobody needs to pay attention to whether or not democrats are calling on the governor to resign now, but every day we've got increasing numbers of republicans in the state who really are calling for the governor to step down. in addition, the montgomery party and now it's the alabama division of republicans calling on the governor to resign and two republican state representatives and senators, member of the executive committee of the state republican party. as more information is released each day about the alleged affair that the governor denies
con sue mating it becomes an increasing pile of alabamans who are calling on the governor to step down. on wednesday we got the first sex tapes. on monday we got the second round of phone sex tapes. now there's unconfirmed reporting in the state that the governor and his alleged mistress may have shared a safe deposit box at a bank. that reporting from yellow hammer news. it's not been confirmed, but it's the next piece of the scandal that's been circulated in that state. now there are reports that the governor and his mistress on the subject of an investigation, from the state and the attorney general's office and the feds. the press saying the point of these federal and state investigations is to determine
if the governor used public funds to facilitate the affair or if he misused state property. that would be a serious and potentially criminal matter if prosecutors found evidence of misconduct beyond whatever embarrassing misconduct has taken place so far. all this means we're in officially red alert resignation watch for the governor of alabama. that's a big deal. today the great john archbald described the mood in alabama this way, this isn't politics, not anymore. it's some kind of war. there's gonna be nothing left and we all lose. look, the governor is desperately trying to save his job and name and dignity. he is failing. this is a massacre. the people alabama elected to ma the state and help it prosper are the ones who burned it to the ground.
alabama, you right now are in a pickle. i'm not going to tell you that having your governor on resignation watch is any kind of fun any more than it is any kind of expected outcome in our politics, but alabama that's where you are right now thanks to the governor. good luck you guys. that does it for us tonight. we will see you again tonight. we have that big show that's going to last longer than an hour, but now it's time for the last word with lawrence o'donnell. i learn something every i learn something every night from you. for example i didn't know we were allowed to say pickle and phone sex tapes in the same script. i didn't know we could do that. >> there's me apologizing for the word affair and then throwing pickle at you. >> and phone sex tapes repeatedly. >> turns out it's hyphenated. i checked the style guide.
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