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another shot at the clinton campaign over the whole issue of who's qualified to be president. >> how often have i talked about hillary clinton's e-mails? have you heard me? not a word. how often have i talked about the clinton foundation's fund-raising? if what the clinton campaign basically says, look, we lost in wisconsin, we lost six of the last seven state. we have to go negative on sanders, that is what their new strategy is. what am i supposed to do? just sit back and say, hey, i come from a small state. we're really nice people. we have to fight back. >> later, in a "today" show town hall, he conceded clinton was qualified to be president. and we're expecting to hear from bernie again any moment as he speaks to reporters in new york city. in an exclusive interview with matt lauer, hillary clinton dodged the question of whether she thought senator sanders was qualified, although she did say he would be better than any of the republican candidates.
>> has senator sanders in your opinion said or done anything during the course of the campaign or during the course of his career in the senate that disqualified him from being president of the united states? >> i never said that about him. >> i'm asking? >> i never said that about him. his response to me was a misrepresentation of what i have said. >> meantime, bill clinton has had his own heating exchanges. here, protesters at a rally in philadelphia confronting him. >> now, wait a minute. i listened to you. you listen to me. >> we'll tell you what that was all about. we're expecting to hear from the former president also this hour, at a hillary clinton rally in erie, pennsylvania. also on the campaign trail, hillary clinton is in upstate new york with two events in buffalo, one in rochester. bernie sanders will be in his native brooklyn with two rallies there this afternoon. i want to bring in ken vogel. good seeing you. >> great to be with you. >> lots of moving parts from the
democrats this morning. how would you summarize what has happened in the last 24 hours alone? >> things have escalated and it's because of the importance of the upcoming primary in new york. huge delegate haul, a big chance for bernie sanders to make this argument that he's been trying to make to superdelegates that he could beat the republican in a general election. that's i think what the unqualified gate, if we could put it that way, is about. making the argument to superdelegates bernie sanders could be a viable general election candidate because hillary clinton does have the democratic establishment sort of on lockdown and is looking strong headed into the upcoming primaries in new york and then pennsylvania. >> it seems like it all blew up for them in the past, you know, 24, 48 hours. and that whole issue of who's qualified or not for being president. you know, it wasn't something that they had confronted head on before new york. >> yeah, hillary clinton -- this is a classic clinton maneuver. she's right. she never said that he is
unqualified. but she sort of strongly suggested as much and continued to drive this theme, she said, you get the impression he hasn't thought a lot about what he would do to implement his plans as president. that's not saying he's unqualifi unqualified, but it's pretty close. she kept on poking him, and he finally took the bait and he did escalate things. it allows hillary clinton and her supporters to step bay and say this is getting out of hand. bernie sanders needs to tone it down. the suggestion there is not only does he need to tone down the rhetoric, he needs to think about packing it in, ending his campaign for the good of the democratic party so they can pivot with hillary clinton as the standard bearer and get ready to take on republicans. >> there's an exprevention in spanish, throw the rock but then hide the hand so when it hits, you're like, wasn't me. the rock was thrown. what do you expect about the tone of the democratic campaign going forward? >> well, there certainly is a lot of concern. even the candidates themselves have expressed this concern that
this escalation in the tone could hinder the party going into the general election because it could be used, if hillary clinton is the nominee, it's in fact expected, it would be malpractice for the republicans not to revisit bernie sanders's questioning her being president. that said, looking back at the 2008 primary where barack obama was in the hillary clinton position, and it was a hillary clinton who was in the bernie sanders insurgent position, trying to cut into a delegate lead. that got nasty and it didn't hurt the party's chance of winning the white house. >> thanks for being with me. great seeing you. >> i want to take you now in times square, i believe, is where bernie sanders is. let's listen to that. >> the young people, the old people, the unemployed people, are suffering in this existing all over this world. obviously, there's also been a leader on climate change and
making a point from a moral perspective it is absolutely imperative we leave this planet in a way that is healthy and habitable for future generations. so i am excited that i will be giving a speech at the vatican at that conference. on friday. we'll come back on saturday. this is something to me that i am extraordinarily grateful for this invitation, and very much look forward to the conference. okay. yeah. yes. >> this is a political question. >> no, no. sorry. i would like to talk about the vatican right now. >> okay, on the vatican, will you be meeting with pope francis? >> that is not yet clear. something i very much would like to do. the pope's schedule is determined by the vatican, but i would certainly be enthusiastic about that. >> is it on the table? >> i think there is a possibility but that has not been scheduled.
>> does that mean -- >> sorry? >> does that mean you're feeling confident about new york? >> it simply means this is an invitation from the vatican from a pope that i have enormous respect for. in terms of the level of consciousness he's raising on the need to have morality in our economy. that we cannot, as the pope often tells us, simply be worshiper of greed and money. that we have got to create an economy that works for all people and not just a few. all right. we'll see you guys in brooklyn. thank you very much. >> there he goes. kasie hunt there is right beside the candidate, as she is always. covering the latest news for us. and senator bernie sanders saying that, announcing that he is going to be going to rome. going to be at the vatican a week from today. the invitation of the holy sea,
and we're going to talk about politics, including what bernie sanders had to say today on "morning joe" on this hour. i want to go to an exclusive "today" show interview with hillary clinton and more on the democratic qualification controversy. >> he doesn't think you're qualified to be president. >> well, that will be up to the voters of new york and the other states that will be passing judgment in the weeks ahead. i think it's kind of a silly statement. but he's free to say whatever he chooses. >> is he qualified to be president? >> here's what i believe. i believe that voters will be looking at both of us, but i will take bernie sanders over donald trump or ted cruz any time. they pose real threats to our values, to groups of americans, some very large groups like women. but so many people are hearing what's going on in the republican side and wondering, what is this about? how can we tolerate it? >> i want to get to that, but has senator sanders in your opinion said or done anything
during the course of this campaign or during the course of his career in the senate that disqualifies him from being president of the united states? >> i never said that about him. >> i know, i'm asking. >> i know, i never said that about him. his response to me was a misrepresentation of what i have said. but also kind of a historic amnesia. because on all of those issues, he supported president obama, he supported joe biden as our vice presidential candidate, he supported john kerry when he ran. each one of them has, according to him, not been qualified. but i think in the heat of the campaign, people say lots of things. i want to stay focused on the issues. there are contrasts between us. i think that's fair game. >> hillary clinton in a "today" show exclusive with matt lauer. in a couple moments, we're expecting to hear from former president bill clinton on his wife in erie, pennsylvania. we're following bill clinton,
and alex seitz-wald is with him. you're on the phone. good to talk to you today. what are we hearing from the clinton campaign this morning? >> a few things they're highlighting. she's up there in upstate new york talking about manufacturing. meanwhile, her campaign is pointing to a rather scathing "washington post" editorial with the headline "mr. sanders' shocking ignorance on his core issues." that's drawing on the well of the new york post interview where he seemed to struggle with policy issues. i spoke with bill clinton yerl in philadelphia, asked if he was qualified to be president. he wouldn't take the bait. he thought the issue was silly and a bit of a distraction, but also, he also struggled a little bit with protesters there, as you mentioned. two black lives matters protesters engaging with him about for ten minutes. one exchange in particular that's caught a lot of attention where he seemed to defend hillary clinton's comment about
superpredators, this is a myth from the 1990s. take a look at what he said about this. >> i don't know how you would characterize the gang leaders who got 13-year-old kids hopped up on crack and sent them out onto the street to murder other african-american children. maybe you thought that they were good citizens. she didn't. she didn't. you are defending the people who killed the lives you say matter. >> so that comment made it to the top of the drudge report. it got shared on conservative blogs. got a lot of attention. but at the same time, the clinton campaign is also drawing a big contrast on guns. sort of related issue, at 1:00 today, they're going to be holding a conference call with victims of gun violence, including the daughter of the principal killed at sapdy hook elementary to slam bernie sanders on his record there, jose. >> alex seitz-wald, with the
clinton campaign, thank you very much. we saw kasie hunt with bernie sanders in new york city. she was in times square. let's go back to her with more on that interview she did with him this morning. good morning. >> jose, good morning. this was actually a press conference here at the hotel where bernie sanders is staying in times square. he wanted to focus particularly on his upcoming visit to vatican city, which of course, is now set for friday, after the democratic debate. he'll return on saturday. so that's what he wanted to focus on, the social justice message of the vatican. he refused to take any questions related to politics. although he did say that this visit doesn't mean that he is overly confident about winning here in new york so much so that he would take two days to go overseas. instead of campaigning, here in new york, he also did say, though, that there is a possibility that he will meet with pope francis. he said it's not confirmed at
this point but it's something on the table and that is currently under discussion. it sounds like it might be related to the pope's schedule. but that, of course, is what sanders is planning next. of course, he's come under some scrutiny in the course of the last 24 hours on the issue of whether or not hillary clinton is qualified to be president. that's something we wanted to follow up with him at the press conference. it was not a question he was willing to entertain, but of course, he told savannah guthrie earlier today that secretary clinton is in fact qualified to be president. that's something of a switch from the last 24 hours before that. jose. >> kasie hunt, thank you very much. it was good to see you just a few moments ago right there by bernie sanders. good to talk to you on the phone. the republican race for the white house becoming a food fight. literally. in some cases, as candidates corner votes by indulging in local fare. latest on that when we come back. isn't it nice so early in the
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well, democrats are grabbing a lot of the headlines for the most recent qualify gate. republicans are campaigning hard across new york to try and chip away at donald trump's huge lead in that state. john kasich headed up to the bronx. he feasted on a true new york sandwich from an italian deli. across town, ted cruz got one of the warmest new york welcomes yet. he visited a kitchen ahead of the passover holiday. he sampled the traditional food and tried but failed to swing along with the group. donald trump staying off the
campaign trail to revamp a crucial part of his campaign. this morning, his convention team is expanding as the possibility of a contested convention grows more likely. we're going to talk about all this and more with our political team in new york. jacob rascon is outside trump tower in new york. jacob, let me start with you. is the thought of a contested convention getting real for trump? >> so, the trump campaign has been known for being so incredibly small and unconventional. now, it's starting to take a turn and looking a bit more conventional. some say like it's a little too late for that, but trump in announcing his new hire, paul manafort, and paul did an interview this morning talking about he will be responsible for the delegation process responsibilities. as well as overseeing the d.c. office, congression aal outreac and such. in the interview, paul manafort talks about cruz's strategy as being clever and saying they will steal delegate as well.
ultimately, in himind, it will be meaningless because to him and other campaign vad viadvier told us the same, they believe they'll get to 1237, especially with the focus on new york and taking all the possible delegates. they would only then need to take 52% of delegates going forward. also an interesting headline from today. paul manafort talking about who he responds to, and answers to in the campaign. here's what he said. >> i have known donald since the 1980s. and we talked about it, and he felt i could help him, as i felt, and he made the changes. >> are you the boss's boss now? >> i work directly for the boss. >> so that's it. you only have one guy you listen to and it's trump. >> i listen to everybody, but i have one man whose voice is louder than everybody else's. >> thatver coming, of course, amid reports that corey lewandowski was losing influence in the mind of the campaign as we talked to them. this is simply expanding the
campaign. and corey lewandowski, the campaign manager, will still be responsible for day-to-day operations and as donald trump said in his release on the hire, focusing on the national campaign and the election. >> thank you very much. we saw hallie jackson just a few seconds ago. she's also in new york following the cruz campaign. hallie, good morning to you. a new call to trump from cruz, right? >> well, let's hear it from the senator himself. listen to what he said to say when he was out campaigning. you played a little video from brooklyn. let's
play the sound bite and talk about it on the other side. >> new yorkers aren't stupid, ted. after we were hit, we rallied. we rebuilt. but remembered. we tell it like it is. that's when we are. so when ysmear new york values n iowa for votes, we remember that, too. now, you come here and conveniently say you love new york. forget about it, ted.
>> all right, so it's actually an attack ad against ted cruz. hitting him on the line about
new york values. let's talk about that, the idea that cruz a couple months ago had rolled out the line of attack against donald trump. i can tell you that now cruz in an interview says he has no regrets about having rolled out that line, given now that new york is a real competitive state. a place where donald trump looks very strong. but where cruz is hoping to keep trump below potentially that 50% threshold and at least pick up some delegates here. of course, in the latest polling, he trails now both john kasich who you saw and also donald trump. so it's an uphill battle. trump at 52%, cruz at 17%. he's going to have to pick up more support if he wants any delegates. that's why he's focusing on upstate. he's taking a bit of a break and headed to colorado tomorrow, in addition to vegas. colorado is key because of the delegate strategy. you her jacob talking about what
trump is doing to make sure they're prepared for a contested convention. cruz has been working on that for month. out in colorado, as we take a look at some of the favorability numbers of where the candidates stand, cruz has had unpaid volunteers, including one who is kind of heading up his delegate operation out there, working for the last eight months for him. this is not a new situation for him. >> interesting. hallie jackson, good to see you. thank you for being with me. >> thank you. >> coming up, ted cruz continues to play the delegate game. hallie was talking about that. his focus on this weekend's colorado convention. we'll explain the latest maneuver to chip away at donald trump's lead. we're going to go to colorado. delegates are meeting right now. if you're going to make a statement... make sure it's an intelligent one. ♪ the all-new audi a4, with available virtual cockpit. ♪ for fastidious librarian emily skinner,
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vatican. >> you know, i loved about wisconsin is you won by 13 points, right? huge win. and then you had a couple days to kind of sit back and relax. just take it all in. >> catch a few -- >> crazy. you win there. a huge win, but then you're catapulted straight into the big apple. >> what i liked about wisconsin is we won in every county in the state, right across the board. that was pretty good. >> what happened there? what worked there that worked in michigan as well? >> it is a smaller state, not a very small state. we had the opportunity to go out and talk to tens of thousands of people. last week alone, we had rallies with 35,000 people came out. so i think we do well when we can speak to people in a meaningful way. not in a three-second sound bite. we're up there for an hour talking to people and answering questions, it works pretty well. >> you get to stay focused, too.
you don't have to go to fund-raisers. you don't have to deal with that side of things. >> let me say that we don't do a lot of those fund-raisers. we have been extraordinarily lucky. i have not done a quote/unquote fund-raiser. >> we joke that you cough and raise $1 million. >> excuse me, time-out. bernie sanders.com. >> there you go. berniesanders daumg. >> as a former colleague, i did it as a favor. a million dollars. >> incredible. listen, there are -- i think a lot of people turned heads a little bit with the daily news interview, the interview with the new york daily news. some answers they felt you came up short with, especially on the main message. i'm literally taking the daily news interview and borrowing. by what authority and how would you go about breaking up the largest financial institutions in the country? >> all right, ready for the answers? >> i'm ready. >> you do it in a couple ways. one is you use section 121 of
the dodd/frank legislation. number two, better. i would prefer it is pass my legislation. my legislation, the legislation i have introduced said the secretary of the treasury will have the authority to investigate and determine which banks pose systemic risk to our economy. ie, if they're too big to fail, they can bring down a significant part of the economy. and then within a period of time, the secretary can break them up. >> so let me ask you that. by definition, right, i'm going to upset a lot of my friends, but bank of america. >> yes. >> jp morgan. >> you can go down the list, citi. >> yeah. >> if any one of those banks went under tomorrow, i don't care what anybody says, we would be bailing them out again. i don't care what the legislation says, you have been there. >> yep. of course.
>> they stick a gun to your head and say you either vote yes or the entire economy collapses. >> that is exactly -- >> why are we still in that position eight years after? >> why are you asking me? this guy gave a better answer than i did. >> why are we still in that position? >> three out of the four largest banks in the country today are bigger than they were before because they were too big to fail. that's point number one. point number two is that when you have six financial institutions that today have assets of about equivalent to 58% of the gdp of this country, they issue two thirds of the credit cards and one third of the mortgages, don't you think that's a hell of a lot of economic and political power. >> nobody is going to let them go under. >> i don't disagree. another new york daily news question, what does a bank lie jp morgan look like in jeer two of the sanders administration? >> what i said is after they're broken up, that is their decision to reconfigure how they want to do it.
we tell you you can't be this big. you're too much of a danger. this is how big you can be. i'm not going to run jp morgan. >> is there a parallel to what the government did to the bells in the '70s and '80s. >> i thing so. >> would you concede that wall street banks do play an important role in the united states economy, no matter what their size are in terms of employing people, managing people's pensions, public pensions? >> of course i do. >> how do you reconcile your position that they ought to be broken up with the important role in the economy? >> when they're that big, if they issue the top six banks issue two thirds of the credit cards and a third of the mortgages, by definition they play an enormous role. what we have got to say is that are they playing the kind of role that we need for small and medium sized businesses in terms of providing the affordable credit that those businesses need to expand? i think the answer is no. much of what wall street is about is figuring out how they can make more profits for theflselves. in many ways, they're an island
unto themselves. they come up with these esoteric crazy tools nobody understands to make more money for themselves. in this one, i believe i'm pretty conservative and i believe in old fashioned boring banking. you make a deposit, a loan. consumers who want to buy a home, buy a car. that's my definition of what banking should be about. >> do you think it's good to have wall street banks managing public pensions, for example? >> that's an important role for them to play. >> bernie sanders on "morning joe" this morning. >> we have breaking news for you right now, according to the sheriff's office in texas, there are victims at lackland air force base. there's a still active scene there, and i'm getting this information. there are reports of an active shooter. this is again from the bexar county sheriff's office, quote, we have victims at lackland air force base. the scene is still active. officials are going building through building to clear each and every building.
according once again to the sheriff's office, sheriff's deputies have just arrived on the scene. they cannot confirm any other information at this time. and this is right in the san antonio, texas, area. an active shooter apparently is what they're dealing with right now. they have responded to these reports of an active shooter at lackland air force base, clearing the buildings right now and just as we go to break, with this breaking news, according to the bexar county sheriff's office, there are victims at lackland air force base, scene still active. we'll be right back. (ray) i'd like to see more of the old lady. i'd like to see her go back to her more you know social side. (vo) pro plan bright mind promotes alertness and mental sharpness in dogs 7 and older. (ray) it was shocking. she's much more aware. (jan) she loves the food.
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associated press, saying that there are one dead confirmed. that, according to the associated press. the sheriff says at least one person has died in lackland air force base at a shooting that the bexar county sheriff's office described still as an active shooting situation. this has just been crossing our information and our headquarters. you can see some of the images there from san antonio. james keith is the spokesman for the bexar county sheriff's office. joins me by phone. james, thank you very much for being with me. what do we know? >> still an active situation. we currently have some of our deputies inside the facility. they're clearing the floor, looking for any possible victims. right now, what we do have is two people who are dead. it appears to be a murder-suicide, so we do believe that the shooter is accounted for among one of those two who are deceased. however, we're still conducted
searches throughout the building just to make sure that is the case and there are no other victims at this time. >> all right, so, and i appreciate you being with me during this breaking news moment. you're saying confirmed two dead right now. meanwhile, i'm getting reports out of joint base lackland in san antonio that the base is currently on lockdown. all schools and child development centers currently locked down. are you pretty much saying that the situation is already -- i mean, are you still describing it as an active shooting situation right now? >> we do not believe that there is an active shooting that is occurring as we speak. however, we are still conducting searches throughout the buildings here on the air force base just to confirm that. we want to make absolutely sure that that person is accounted for. >> james, how long ago did this start happening? when did you start getting the reports? >> we received a call from lackland air force base about an
hour ago, requested our assistan assistance. our deputies responded, made entry into the building, did a preliminary search going into every room they could access that was unlocked. they then worked with a building manager to go into some of the locked rooms and then it was the two victims were found moments into the initial search. >> james, where were they found, can you tell us? >> all i have now is they were found inside the building. i don't have any other information right now. >> no information on who the possible shooter was, whether he was working inside the base or anything else, correct? >> correct. >> all right, listen, james thank you very much for being with me. i so appreciate your time during this troubling time. i appreciate it. james keith, spokesman for bexar county sheriff's office, giving us the latest information, two confirmed fatalities inside lakeland air force base, according to james keith, spokesman for bexar county sheriff's office. it appears at this moment to
have been a murder/suicide situation. both of the dead were found inside, the victims were found inside one of the buildings at lackland air force base. however, even though they believe it could have been a murder/suicide, they're currently going through all of the other buildings to make sure that there is no other situation that they may have to deal with. once again, this just coming over our wires and our information. apparently, the base is on lockdown. schools and child development centers inside the base currently locked down. and there have been no other injuries confirmed at this time. and that's the information coming out of joint base san antonio. but the bexar county sheriff's office right here on msnbc confirming two dead in this situation in lackland air force base. about an hour ago is when officials got the first reports. and immediately responded.
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and we continue right here on msnbc. turning back to politics. donald trump is getting outhustled on delegates in colorado. ted cruz has been picking up delegates in individual districts as the state heads towards its gop convention tomorrow. a lot of moving parts because colorado's republican party holds an obscure nominating process completely different from the rest of the country. msnbc's delegate hunter jacob soboroff is in colorado, headed to colorado springs. how does the process work there exactly? >> arguably, jose, this process,
which is unique because it is different congressional districts than a big state convention with 6,000 people tomorrow to nominate these 37 delegates to go to the rnc. it's arguably the most important place in american politics right now. that is because with these unbound delegates, the unbound delegates coming out of here, they could make the difference for donald trump to get up to 1237 which would allow him to win the nomination on the first ballot at the republican party. these conventions are aggressive, exciting. a lot of attention on them, and that's something that's very different than has ever happened before. i went to one last night, congressional district seven in colorado. here's what happened there. what you're looking at right now is 54 different gel gts that are going to come up and go one minute each, all of these people here are going to go for one minute each in order to win one of six slots. three delegates and three alternates to the republican congressional districts. this is congressional district seven. donald trump has three slates. only one is on the ballot,
suggesting disorganization here. here, we have the ted cruz slate. there's six. three delegates, three alternates. everybody is vying for the spot in cleveland this july. i want to reiterate what i said last night, jose, in that piece of video. the donald trump campaign was disorganized, and that was acknowledged by a trump campaign state representative. a state operative that was here, to our own bengy sarln and alex jaffe. they have not been as organized as the cruz campaign. that's why cruz has won 9 of 9 delegates so far in the contest here. 12 are on the line. at the event we're headed today to, and an additional 13 on the line tomorrow, where ted cruz is going to show up and pitch the delegates. it's a situation that hasn't played out regularly because this was not important in years past. >> how things have changed. jacob soboroff, good to see you. thanks for being with me this
morning. i want to bring in msnbc chief legal correspondent ari melber. good seeing you. >> good morning. how are you doing? >> good. you have been reporting a lot of the convention rules and delegate fight. what is the strategy moving forward here? >> we're seeing all campaigns strategy now is about delegates in the convention. that is illustrated by what jacob mentioned. let's look real quick to remind people, there's only about 250 delegates separation between ted cruz and donald trump at this point. and cruz has been doing well. you look at the headlines in louisiana, where he picked up delegates that were rnt originally his. in north dakota and kaucolorado where he's picking up delegates that are up for grabs. these cell gts decided in places like colorado are actually the first time we're going to hear what colorado is going to do. that's why it's so important. then you have this shake-up that a lot of folks have looked at. there's always a lot of shake-ups, what is important about paul manafort taking a bigger role with donald trump is it's all about the convention
strategy and delegates. here's what he was out saying today. you have to understand what the game is, if the game is on a second, third, or fourth ballot, what cruz is doing is clever. if there's only one ballot, what he's doing is meaningless. this is this newly empowered convention manager for trump saying yes, when cruz picks up extra delegate in places that have gone for trump, that might give him an insurance policy if there is not only an open convention, but an open convention that goes to multiple ballots where the delegates can vote for whomever they want. it's not case that all of the delegates cruz is picking up have to wait until the second ballot. there are 13 more unbound delegates up for grabs in colorado this weekend. if you win one of those people, and i have said this before, delegates are people. so if you win over those people, and cruz has been doing that, then those people now go into the cruz pile and can vote for him in the unbound ballot in colorado on the first ballot. that's why we'll hear a lot more
about it because it seems to be where the campaigns are going to fight it out and where we may determine who the republican nominee is. >> jacob soboroff was telling us just before speaking with you the fact is that the cruz campaign has been for months targeting this. has this in its plans. is manafort's addition now to kind of trump a way of saying i get it. this is something that is important, that we really haven't been focused on a lot? >> yes, if you listen to what paul manafort has been saying, he said this is a sign of how donald trump is a good manager. he was running a good media and social media campaign for months and that got him into, let's all admit, first place, and now he's turning and hiring the people he needs to do the convention part. that's the trump argument. the cruz folks who i have been talking to for weeks said this wasn't a surprise. a real manager would have looked ahead. you have a quarterly plan, an annual plan, and would have known this was going to be the fight. i want to return to as you
mentioned with jacob's reporting is not only that cruz is winning down there, but trump wasn't even organized to put the names on the ballot. >> right, so tell me about manafort. where does he come from, what is his experience? what is he expected to bring? >> interesting guy who if you follow the campaign, we'll hear a lot more from him. he's not sort of one of the look at me tv types. he's known generally as a discreet washington player. he came up in the '60s and '70s in the lee atwater crew of hard knuckle politics. he worked with charlie black. they found a firm that did some republican politics, but he branched out and spent a lot more time doing international clients. he's been someone who is well known in republican politics who is certainly, i would say, liked by an older establishment crew of republicans, which is obviously different than most of everyone else that trump has put in his upper echelon. but ultimately, isn't someone
who has been on the scene in the heart and center of modern republican politics in the last couple cycles. you have to go back to '76 when he was active. >> ari melber, you are a look at me tv type. and so am i. >> sometimes. >> always good to see you. much more ahead on msnbc. but first, a look at where the candidates will be spending today after spending the morning at 30 rock, bernie sanders trafls to his home borough of brooklyn for a pair of rallies. hillary clinton travels to upstate new york for events in buffalo and rochester. >> john kasich starts the day in connecticut before finishing up with a town hall in syracuse, and donald trump and ted cruz are taking the day off from the campaign trail. we'll be right back. using your airline credit card miles. and surprise! those seats sometimes cost a ridiculous number of miles, making it really hard to book the flight you want. luckily, there's a better way... with the capital one venture card. with venture, you'll earn unlimited double miles
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oosituation, but they continue to searc buildings and investigate exactly what happened. we'll bring you updates on this breaking story as we get them. a very busy morning for presidential candidate bernie sanders with stops at msnbc headquarters to talk with mika and joe and then a town hall at the "today" show and a brief meeting in times square where kasie hunt was who just returned from the event. good to see you. you're everywhere. >> well, luckily, jose, times square not that far from where we are here at 30 rock, so when bernie sanders does what bernie sanders does, and decides impromptu to throw a press conference, we were able to run over there quickly. he, of course, wanted to talk today about his upcoming visit to vatican city. where he's going to give a speech to something of a policy conference at the vatican. he, of course, has talked quite a bit about the pope, particularly what he refers to as the immorality of greed and the focus on money.
these are themes that line up with bernie sanders's campaign, and he, of course, was very honored by the invitation, accepted it. of course, that means he's going to be off the campaign trail in new york for a couple days. they're going to make their speech, go after the democratic debate, make the speech on friday, come back next saturday. he was asked at this press conferheth w or not this meant he was more confident about new york. he said, no, no, this doesn't have knpg to do with new york. the sense is this is simply something that -- an opportunity sanders wanted to take up. and something he's excited about. but of course, the focus here today, that new york primary. and the last 24, 48 hours, of course, dominated by this question of whether or not bernie sanders believes hillary clinton is qualified to be president. he talked to joe and mika about that earlier today. >> if i am being attacked day after day after day, if what the clinton -- if what the clinton campaign basically says, look, we lost in wisconsin, we lost six out of the last seven
states. we got to go negative on sanders. that is what their strategy is, what am i supposed to do? just sit back andstate. we're really nice people? we have to fight back. and that's what we're trying to do. i hope, though, let me be clear on this, okay, let's get back to the issues. hillary clinton and i hav strong disagreements. i respect her, but let's start debating the issues. >> a little shift from bernie sanders who has backed off the idea that hillary clinton is not qualified or backed off saying that. you heard him describe what this was about for him, he felt he was under attnd launched back at her. it seems to have come back around on him and now he's moving away from it. jose. >> kasie hunt, great seeing you. thank you for being with me. >> thank you. >> that wraps up this hour. thank you for the privilege of your time. i'll see you on sunday on tel telemun telemundo. i have an exclusive interview with homeland security jeh johnso much more this sunday. have a great weekend. tamron hall is up next.
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good morning, everyone. i'm tamron hall coming to you live from our msnbc election headquarters in new york we have a lot to get to, including exclusive appearances this morning by senator bernie sanders on the "today" show and "morning joe," and hillary clinton also on the "today" show. among the headlines, senator sanders backtracks after his comments on secretary clinton, now admitting she is qualified to be president. >> on her worst day, she