joe biden, it's a big line up. a few speeches might end up getting a rewrite. the political world is reeling from what trump told reporters about the dnc hacking scandal and clinton's e-mails earlier today. take a listen. >> if is russia, it's really bad for a different reason. because it shows how little respect they have for our country when they would hack into a major party. and get everything. but it would be interesting to see i will tell you this, russia, if you're listening, i hope you're able to find the 30,000 e-mails that are missing. >> that wasn't all. there was a lot more, take a listen. >> you call on putin to stay out of this election? >> i'm not going to tell putin what to do. they'd probably have them. i'd like to have them released. >> does that give you pause?

>> if they have them they have them. a person in our government, would delete or get rid of 33,000 e-mails. >> then, came this statement from trump's running mate mike pence which countered trump. and it reads in part, the fbi will get to the bottom of who is behind the hacking. if it is russia, and they are interfering in our elections, i can assure you both parties and the united states government will insure there are serious consequences. mike pence said that. not donald trump. house speaker paul ryan's office weighed in, quote, russia is a global menace led by a devious thug. putin should stay out of this election. newt gingrich defended trump tweeting this, the media seems more upset by trump's joke about russian hacking than by the fact that hillary's personal server was vulnerable to russia. i don't think everybody viewed what trump said as a joke. here is what rudy guiliani also had to say.

>> i'm sure what he means is they should be released to the fbi. i'm sure that's what he means. >> well, a lot of people trying to reexplain trump. retired general michael hayden told this to bloomberg. if he's talking about state department e-mails on his server he's inviting a foreign intelligence service to steal sensitive u.s. government information. if he's talking about allegedly private e-mails she destroyed he's inviting foreign intelligence service to violate privacy of an individual. perhaps he doesn't know what he's talking about. just a theory. again, that was bush 43's cia corrector. democrats have blitzed the air waves in response. here's just a taste. >> that is a galling statement from the republican nominee for president of the united states. >> that borders on treason. >> he is encouraging folks to illegal means to go and try and get information. >> this is ridiculous and frankly it borders on treason s

treasonous. >> the clinton campaign say trump is encouraging espionage. the trump campaign says he wants clinton's deleted e-mails handed over to authorities. we have the president of urasia group. obviously, we have you on a lot. let's start with this, there's a lot of circumstantial evidence about vladmir putin wanting to have some influence on this election. why? what does he gain by trump over clinton if he's playing favorites. >> this is the same guy that bfr benefits from brexit. in the united states, it's 50/50 trump and clinton. hou outside the u.s., allies say this would be horrible for our

relationship. that is a win for putin. i know this is politics in the convention this is a national security issue. obama will have to address it tonight. this is the same american government that's been trying to figure out a way to work with the russians on syria, trying to back away from the tougher sanctions. we have what looks to be absolutely credible they went into the dnc, publicized information through wikileaks. so far obama said nothing about this. i don't see how he doesn't direct it tonight. we don't know how he'll respond. >> the shocking thing is donald trump's statement saying putin can do whatever he wants. i guess i'm stunned that he would publicly say that. even if he privately wished it. don't you say, you don't want a foreign entity being involved in our election. >> clearly he privately wishes it. >> he's publicly saying it. >> in his tweet later on in the day and not much later, so obviously there was massive

damage control. he said, the russians or whoever should give the information to not the public, but the fbi. that's a very different kind of statement that one he made and doubled down on in this press conference today. >> what is -- you said that president obama, this is a national security you got to reassure. if it's a national security issue that he's got to deal with toon tonight it is reassuring a bunch of europeans who are panicked about this. what is the retribution here and how do you do it in a way that doesn't -- where the public doesn't view it as just politics? >> the last time something like this happened was north korea, the americans publicly said it was the north koreans that -- >> the sony thing. >> the interview, film that came out. and basically, the americans said they were responding, the north korean internet was shut down several times over the course of the next week. we don't know how that happened. obama here is trying to get american allies to engage with

the americans, the russians have also been doing things like supporting the national front in france. subverting other processes too. they want a coordinated response from allies. the europeans want no part about it. >> i want to talk about the idea of trump and his connections with the russian business world. let me play a few businesses of sound from trump on putin and how much praise he's given putin over this campaign season. i want to play one from a debate and one from "morning joe," the first two clips, guys, go. >> as far as the ukraine is concerned, and you could say syria, as far as syria, i like if putin wants to go in, and i got to know him very well, because we were both on 60 minutes, we were stable mates. we did very well that night. >> he's running his country and at least he's a leader, unlike what we have in this country. >> look, obviously, he has been sort of flirtatious i guess is

one way to describe it. then he claims, he doesn't have any investments in russia. but there seems to be a lot of evidence that russians have investments with him. >> no question, some of the biggest buyers of his apartments and condos, he did admit to that. $100 million purchase that was made by a russian. he benefits a lot. paul manafort we know his connections with the former ukrainian president. that was the guy who was the kremlin's man in ukraine. his response when he was asked about it was no, i'm trying to help him get close to the u.s. completely not a credible response. trump has said things that are really true about russia. obama's russia policy was pretty bad, he said that look, america's policies on driven the russians closely to the chinese. that's true. that's not in america's interest. trump seems to be saying that putin is someone he can closer to than a lot of american allies. what's so interesting on trump's foreign policy is that fundamental values the alignment

of values does not matter at all. it's all transactional. he said in the same press conference the way he would deal with nato, he would have to walk away from nato allies and two days later they'd come back begging for more money. >> in many ways that's where there has been a consistency. i'm going to leave it there. like i said, no offense, not the person i expected to be leading with third day of e convention. thanks very much. let moo ee go to kelly o'donnel the floor right now. is the russia stuff buzzing on the floor at all? >> chuck i can tell you the russia stuff as we would call it is buzzing. and i've been talking to a number of democratic lawmakers who have been really critical. they have been talking about this, saying this shows a lack of temperment, it's a threat to national security. for a presidential candidate to be willing to sort of provoke a foreign state to try to metal in

a presidential election or tap into our security system through computers. so this is an opening, chuck, for democratic leaders here. some of whom are really tapped into the intelligence community here. for example, adam shif, the highest ranking member of house intelligence. talked to him today, he is saying it's a case of being surprised upon surprised upon surprised when it comes to donald trump. now as you know, there are a lot of other issues that are being talked about on the floor here. but this is one that really comes up against what we expect president obama to talk about tonight. the fitness of hillary clinton on issues like world affairs. like national security. and to try to draw that contrast. so for those democratic lawmakers who have been paying attention, who have been reading their phones and getting briefed, they've been really critical so far. chuck? >> thank you, kelly. i'm joined by senator al franken democratic from minnesota. you get to be funny. you had been sort of not being

the funny for a while. >> i will do anything for the hillary campaign, including being funny. >> do you feel like you were funny enough? >> i felt i was funny enough, yes. >> likable enough. it's interesting the sarah silverman moment when she -- when you guys were vamping, i think for time. seemed to have an impact. do you think it did? >> i think it did. she was the right person to. >> to yell them down? >> yeah. she had been a bernie supporter for the whole time. and she told them they were being ridiculous and that -- she was the best person it could come from. she did it at great time. >> this is before we had heard michelle's speech, before we -- >> it was an important moment. no doubt. i want to get to the russia stuff. first of all, all right, what kind of information do you have as a senator of what russia's been trying to do in influencing

western elections whether it's france, or here? what is your information based on? >> i am -- you know, i am on a number of committees, i'm not on foreign relations, so i don't have any special knowledge on this. this is outrageous. now, also, in this, either at the same thing or later in the day he said that would he be willing to cede crimea to russia. he said we're looking at that. here's a guy who clearly doesn't know the effect of what he says. he's had to back track. it's only going to the fbi. et cetera. stuff comes out of his mouth, that he doesn't even understand the impact it has. you can't have someone as president of the united states -- >> i know. we have growing evidence that a

foreign government is trying to influence our election. i'm stunned by the lack of bipartisan outrage. we've heard from paul ryan and mike pence. that's been it so far. >> well, i think they were responding to his comment and there was some trying to walk it back. i love gingrich saying it was a joke. >> right. >> you know, nice try, newt. >> you know funny, was that a joke? >> it wasn't funny. and i don't think -- it was not intended to be a joke from what -- i know human beings. and that was not intended to be a joke. he is a guy who does not know anything. he has no interest in public policy. he has no interest in international affairs. and not only that he has no willingness to become acquainted with these things. and i mean, that is very clear. >> not that far from the oval office, why do you think that

is? >> well, i think he has appealed to the darker side of the american people. and i don't think that will work. ultimately. but it makes me very nervous. >> do you want president obama to unload on him tonight? what do you want him to do tonight? there's been some who think it's a national security challenge, the president has to respond to what russia's done? >> i actually think the president will respond to that tonight. but, you know, i'm not going to tell the president what to say. i think he's a pretty good communicator from what i've been told by donald trump. >> do you think we need to have some action? some sort of response to the russians if we indeed, find out they have hacked in and tried to influence our election? some would say that was -- that is -- one step short of declaring war, almost.

it is an infringement on our sovereignty. >> donald trump would consider it war. and probably launch. some nuclear weapons. >> if we can prove that -- >> no. okay. >> that's what i'm asking. >> obviously. >> how do we respond if russia is trying to do this and the united states sits back and do nothing? what is it we should do? >> i don't know what we should do. revenge is best served cold. we will, i'm sure, return in kind. we have our own intelligence capabilities. but they're doing this is outrageous. a candidate for president of the united states urging them on. is unacceptable and outrageous. >> before i let you go, a little bit of anxiety over tpp and

terry mcauliffe, governor of virginia, was out there saying, oh, she's going to renegotiate it. the clinton campaign saying no renegotiating, it's over. is tpp dead? would you say it is dead in the u.s. senate? >> yeah, i think it is. i think it is right now. >> no matter what happens to the election? >> i think no matter what happens in the election. i mean, i don't, you know -- there are certain provisions in it that are troubling. >> do you think it's salvageable? >> these are huge issues and no, i don't. but i don't want to predict what's going to happen. >> all right. senator al franken, got a lot in there. comedy, russia, tpp, trade just a small five minutes. thanks for your time, good to see you. >> you bet. >> things are underway here at the wells fargo center. we'll have much more right after this this break. stay tuned. you both have a

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in scranton 45 minutes ago talking up, friendly relationships with russia. it's been one of the dominant themes of the day. the room in here is gearing up to hear president obama tonight. he's supposed to lay down his argument for passing the torch to hillary clinton. i have a feeling there may be a rewrite about russia trump and what's going on in the headlines of the day. i want to bring in my panel for the rest of the day. former pennsylvania governor, former philly mayor and former ohio state senator nina turner. she's right here nid. and nathan gonzalez. before i get to that. nina, i want to give you a chance, because i've got a whole bunch of e-mails from sanders people going, where is nina turner, they took her credentials. you're right here. >> i'm right here. >> you do have your credentials. >> i have my credentials. >> explain where this is coming from. >> i was supposed to be one of the nominators for senator sanders yesterday along with

congresswoman tulsi and at the last minute was told i could not do it. the senator sanders told me that himself. for reasons that i will not comment on. but i've been nothing but, you know, gracious. i was a hard fighter for my candidate, you know. it was pretty hurtful. >> some sanders supporters are upset. >> they are very upset about it. i'm about pushing forward, i'm going to hold people accountable. i'm a democrat in good standing. it was unfortunate, especially on a night where african-american women were all on that stage and were talking about giving voice to women. >> nobody else gave an explanation. >> senator sanders garve me the bad news but i'm here. >> i didn't think i was going to be spending so much time on russia and foreign policy. i grew up in the cold war times, you grew up during cold war times. if we had had evidence that russia was taking sides in our

presidential election, it would be 99 to one in the 80s would fall on this. where is the outrage? >> it doesn't seem anything donald trump deoes evokes a sene of outrage. he his remarks have been outrageous. ere is the outrage. >> nathan, got a statement from paul ryan, ben sasse. there are some that have come out. i'm stunned more republicans haven't responded today. it is -- this one feels it should be above the campaign. i think some republicans are so afraid of looking like they're helping hillary clinton. maybe they're staying silent. this is bigger than that. >> some republicans are afraid of getting into a pattern of having to answer for absolutely everything donald trump says.

senator rubio said that, you know, early in the year i'm not going to do that. while this is -- would seem to be above the minor tidbit here and there. but i think there's a reluctance to acknowledge that donald trump exists. >> i mean it feels like the twilight zone it does. does he want to move to russia? maybe mr. trump should relocate and him and putin could be best buddies. a lot of this stuff is irresponsible. >> i guess i was struck by the last comment. couldn't it be great if we got along. hillary clinton tried to reset relations and was criticized. >> double standards. >> it defies -- goes back to what donald trump said he could shoot someone in the middle of 42ened street and not get hurt in the polls. it seems to be that way. the question is does it have a cumulative effect. does all the craziness

eventually weigh him down? >> i think the putin stuff scares the public enough. i don't happen, i don't know. this one feels like, it's not going to go away. >> how many times have we said that already this campaign? >> right. i don't think that a lot of younger people, russia is the same bogey man it was to us. >> that's a good point. >> four years ago, romney said it was a geo political threat. and president obama's campaign mocked that at the time. if you're the average voter you're going hey you said they weren't -- >> which is it. >> you said they weren't a threat now you say they are. bring up a good point there's a whole generation of folks that don't have the same feelings toward russia. >> i was talking about the colleague who said is president obama the best one to kind of make the case on the russia because of the 2012 incident with mitt romney. they have chance to do that tonight. >> you're sticking around. i'm going to pause, sneak in a break. we'll be back with more in the wells fargo center right after this. when it comes to healthcare,

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i never met putin i don't know who putin is. he said one nice thing about me. he said i'm a genius, i said thank you to the newspaper. i never met putin. >> welcome back. we're here on day three, it's a packed lineup of speakers tonight. obama, biden, kaine, bloomberg, pinetta, some of these folks, there are big speakers stuck on 8:00 at night because of how packed the 9:00 hour is. our next guest is senior strategist for the clinton campaign. still a little swing stuff with you. i know you want to talk about putin. we've been talking a lot of putin. very quickly on that, does that move voters? do you think the putin issue will move voters? >> i think the putin will affect a lot of voters. you've got a guy that's been campaigning on the republican

side, people have serious questions about his fitness to be commander in chief. he's been praising putin for months. today he's gone further than anybody imagined by not only condoning but inviting a foreign power to do espionage in the united states. >> should we shocked that russians are coming after us the way we go after them? >> we should be shocked the nominee of a majority political party is inviting them in. we try to stop them. we don't invite them in. >> are you surprised more republicans haven't spoken out on this? quite a few have. >> i think they're trying to -- i think we agree with them you shouldn't be viewed in a political context. when you have speaker ryan disagreeing strongly with this notion and many other republicans critiquing him, it's like they're picking up where they left off in the republican convention, just so many people disagreeing with and being al n alienated by their party's nominee. he's not qualified to be

president of the united states. >> all right, let's talk about numbers here. you pulled out of colorado. >> wait a second -- >> when i say pullout, you stop -- i understand that. and robbie already -- robbie beat me up when i said it on air. he said we're not advertising on television in colorado. you have a full campaign. that is a tell. polling including ours had you up eight to ten, obviously you must be seeing similar things you feel that comfortable polling early why is that? >> the strategy in the swing states, you want to keep playing offense where you can put them on defense. you want to not have to expend excessive resources in states you feel they have to come in and really moint a big resource attack. and right now, at this point, 15 weeks out we felt we didn't need to be on tv right now. but we have a aggressive communications campaign on the ground, phones, mail door to

door. all the things we need to keep t turning out vote. >> what is it about colorado is sort of the first one off the board? >> there are a couple of things, it's a state very much interested in the future economy. it's got a budding -- >> younger. >> -- higher, younger millennial base. a state that cares very much about the environment and climate change. they've got a guy on the other side named trump saying it's a hoax. you've got a diverse population, you have a young population and a latino population who is feeling alienated by the rhetoric. >> colorado, if you feel that confident colorado, is virginia next? >> i think we take this one state at a time all the way through the next 15 weeks, this is about putting together 270

lect le electoral votes. the bus trip through pennsylvania, ohio, goes to your white guy problem. as joe biden said, he's going to be living in pennsylvania, ohio, michigan trying to reach white working class voters. is he right? are you sending them to the uppu upper midwest? >> with i through florida into that. these are states we have to play in no matter what. that is in the game plan. those keep the republicans tied up. we want to keep them on defense in those states. they have to play defense in those states and we're playing offense in states like virginia and north carolina where we can expand. we've got more paths to 270 than they do. and that's where we want to be on november 8th. >> terry mcauliffe said tp prp going to get renegotiating. >> that's wrong. >> hillary clinton never is going to agree that anything that's tpp. >> she will be against tpp in

the -- >> she will never agree to a version of tpp? >> hillary clinton's priority is to create jobs in america so people get ahead and we get an economy that works for everybody. she's got the biggest investment in job growth. $70 million. she is going to focus on that. getting better education -- >> no asian trade deal? >> those are her priorities to get our economy moving, not -- >> this asian trade deal is dead? >> i told you she's against it now, in the lame duck and presidency. >> thanks very much. quick programming note, matt lauer will have an exclusive interview with chelsea clinton. we'll have more from the wells fargo center right after this. >> when hillary clinton was first lady of the united states --. rade. rade. get back to great. all hp ink buy one get one fifty percent off.

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we are back with our special coverage from the democratic national convention. before i bring the panel back, my colleague is making his way through the floor. he's in the pennsylvania delegation, alex, take it away. >> that's right. i'm here with afl president, we're on the floor, tpp big issue today after virginia governor terry mcauliffe a close ally of hillary clinton suggested she might be open to supporting it even though she doesn't. why should they trust you in saying she will not support this, a lot of people don't. >> i've known hillary clinton for almost 30 years. i knew her when she was in arkansas. i knew her when she was first lady. i knew her when she was senator. every time she said something and give me her word she's been

good to her word. i have no doubt about where she'll be. she told me she's against tpp now and she'll be against tpp later. i believe her. >> there are bernie sanders delegates say donald trump will be able to get to the left, essentially of hillary clinton on this issue. are you at all worried about your members voting for donald trump in november? >> no, i'm not. our members know that donald trump is unfit to be president. he would make it tougher for working people to make ends meet and he'd tear this country apart. he isn't anything but a fraud. hillary clinton's been with us for years and years on issue after issue. i know whenever they look at the facts they're going to vote for hillary clinton. she's going to be the next president of the united states. >> have you heard any pushback after terry mcauliffe's comments? >> most people know terry. they know he talks a little bit and thinks later. he said i was wrong, he admitted that openly.

>> from the president of the afl/cio. >> let me bring the panel back. governor, i got to start with you, he's a western pennsylvania guy. you heard what he said. he's confident that afl/cio members are going to be with her, trust her on this. not going to be with trump. what say you? >> right now, if the election were held right now, we'd be in trouble with these numbers. we would be in trouble. can we get some of them back? yes, we can. this convention will help a little bit. but we need bernie sanders out there we need nina turner out there. we need keith elerson on there and we need elizabeth warren delivering that message loud and clear over and over again. >> nina, you heard him just now, and everybody in the clinton campaign is so trying to distance themselves from terry mcauliffe's comments. a lot of us as reporters sit and think what he says rings true.

that's what ends up happening, you say this and maybe it will have a different name but some version passes. how do you get past that trust issue, the credibility issue? >> people are skeptical, especially the sanders supporters. he was against the establishment. they are already preprogrammed that way. to have somebody like governor mcauliffe say that. just like the -- >> it fed a paranoia. >> absolutely it does. so you got to keep pushing, but it is really about being a doer of the deed and making certain under no circumstances they'll accept the tpp. they wouldn't put the words on the platform. i was there. >> they didn't put it in the platform. >> there was a reason for that. >> president obama. >> they didn't want to embarrass the president of the united states. >> i get it. but the president has a few months left as we said, he's one -- he is the most popular democrat -- the people -- she's trying to rin a race. is it about not embarrassing the

president or speaking to the people? >> you bring up another point. candidate barack obama, pretty anti-nafta. and then it was like, don't worry, he said to his canadian friends, it's just campaign rhetoric. >> i've been too many of these not to look at this f it looks like campaign rhetoric and smells like campaign rhetoric it may be. >> as joe was talking, i was thinking would candidate clinton go that far and saying that. is this going to be a new new taxes, read my lips sort of moment. the context of this, talking about feeding into a paranoia. what we were talking about on monday and tuesday, the dnc e-mail leaks which fed into a paranoia. >> i get the sense your generation of democrat, you're a mayor, terry mcauliffe pro business democrat bill clinton there's a generation of democratic leaders that have been profree trade. and it feels as if there's a struggle to get to reorient the

party on this issue. >> look, i think it's a little bit of semantics. bernie sanders said in a number of those debates, that he wasn't against trade. he just was for trade that was fair to the american worker. i think you can fashion trade back that are back to the american worker. that will be hillary clinton's challenge. that will be bernie sanders' challenge in the senate to make sure those pacts are fair. tpp would have lifted all quotas on american products going to those asian countries. that would have helped american business big time. >> i'm going to pause it here. you're sticking around. more from the wells fargo center. be right back. steady is exciting. oh this is living baby! only glucerna has carbsteady, to help minimize blood sugar spikes. and try new glucerna hunger smart to help you feel full.

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nomination for vice president of the united states. >> i think what we've done is pave the way for the person who will be the first woman president. >> i am officially declaring my candidacy for the democratic nomination for president of the united states. >> i will be honored to accept your nomination for vice president of the united states. >> although we weren't able to shatter the highest, hardest glass ceiling this time. thanks to you it's got about 18 million cracks in it. we just put the biggest crack in that glass ceiling yet.

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all in favor of the motion to suspend the rules and nominate by amation tim kaine as the party's vice president candidate say aye, all opposed the motion to suspend the rules and nominate by acclimation is adopted. >> that happened in the last hour when tim kaine officially had been nominated as hillary clinton's running mate. night three at the democratic convention. you heard from one president last night who made a apparently appeal for his wife, hillary clinton. tonight we'll hear from another president. let's go to jacob soboroff.

they were the first ones in the building i believe today. >> no doubt about it. they're excited about senator kaine butt they' they're talkin something else in this delegation, russia and donald trump is on her mind. what do you think when you heard donald trump say he hopes that russia finds what he calls hillary clinton's missing e-mails? >> well, of course we don't know what the full story is behind all of this, but the first reaction that i had was that donald trump clearly doesn't understand that all of the threats to the united states are not just physical. it's not just about physical terrorism. it's about cybersecurity and cyberterrorism. and here he is, inviting a nation that has had its challenges. historically. to hack our e-mails. and i think that means most americans can't feel secure under that kind of leadership.

hillary clinton understands how much we need to have a cybersecurity safety system that will allow us to be free from people intruding into our activities in the united states. so it is very dangerous. >> i'll though it back to you. >> thank you. tim kaine will get overshadowed tonight. barack obama follows him. that will be a big moment. vice president biden goes before him. what does he need to do tonight? >> i think he will introduce himself to a large number of people who are still unfamiliar with him. he the larger public still doesn't know him. so he will tell his story. he will walk through all of his experiences, a lot of the reasons why hillary clinton

chose him. and it is a tough task. i was thinking, where will he speak? >> i remember when i heard about it. they said obama was wednesday night. well, okay, you've stepped on the vp nominee no mat here it is. what do you want to hear? >> i have to go back to vp biden. to have the ultimate vice president, this was a way for joe biden to be vice president again. >> would you nominate him again. >> really just getting at the heart of the matter and being honest, and kind of heartfelt. a lot of times democrats are so cerebral and that's good. people are hurting and they want to know you have compassion. it is not just about speaking spanish. i understand senator kaine speaks spanish but that's not the only thing that hispanic

support people support him. >> should he talk about tpp, considering it is his home state? >> he should speak to the commitment. i think that would be good. i agree, tim kaine has to tell his personal story. >> it is an impressive story. >> an incredible story. what struck me, public service for two years and then go back to making money. he did it for 17 years. 17 years. making a very good lawyer's salary. very impressive. >> somebody said he is the most normal politician you'll ever meet. no offense. >> he doesn't come across as, whatever it is. and it will come through in his

speech. there is that personal quality. >> half his adult life has been running for elected office. >> it's been 20 years since my first election and no one has ever called me normal. >> let's go to president obama. obviously it has been said that he is her most important character witness. he had his own skepticism about her and he came to trust her. >> and the role she played. for example, a lot of people have told me, i don't know if it is true or not but she was the one who wanted to grab osama bin laden. that there was some hesitancy but she carries it. that's a good story to tell the american people who are worried about, will a woman be tough enough? is anybody going to be tougher than donald trump? who will provide for our

security? that's a great story and only he can tell those stories. >> toughness has never been something that i thought hillary clinton is lacking. i hear you. i think the perception of women. but hillary clinton, may be unique in that she doesn't to have deal with that the way another woman can. >> but the flip side being a warmonger. and those things come up, too. whether she is too hawkish. you have to balance that. for far too long the american people have only had to deal with war and there's been nobody to focus domestic issues. even though there are threats out there, lots of people i talked on want to know if there will be strong domestic policy. i've heard parents talking about children and war and they're really concerned about it. >> what audience is he playing to? voters in the middle may not be

comfortable with a third obama term. but he has to validate her experience. so if anyone can do it, president obama can but multiple different audiences here. >> and a very good definer of donald trump. >> the other part of what we hear, we have some experts, he is trying to make the xas america is already great. he is trying to be a rebuttal to trump. over that he is excited about going after trump. >> salivating. >> game on, baby. >> when president obama turns into a campaign obama, i think he can be powerful. >> all right. when you're in philly, you're a normal guy. philly people will keep you

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hillary clinton that she is ready for the job. but two, it is a rebuttal to trump. the whole idea that america is not great. you'll hear a lot of the president making the case that he is. he will acknowledge that some people haven't recovered and that is a goal that the party and the country needs to work on. but basically, the speech will be in two parts. pro hillary clinton and a rebuttal to donald trump. don't be surprised if there is a mention of russia in there. that's all for us. i'm going to hand it off to my man chris hayes. we have the convention covered all night. the deepest lineup of speakers at any convention that i can remember. stay with us. >> good evening. we are live from the third and the biggest night yet in philadelphia. i'm chris hayes.