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it would be different, he wouldn't have that rite conve convening a public ace. that's it for me now. to rachel maddow. >> thanks for joining us this hour. glad to be back. in 1962 we came close to having a nuclear war with the soviet union on the cuban missile crisis, when john f. kennedy was president. even though we got right to the brink, nuclear war didn't happen and the crisis was avoided by high wire negotiations and diplomacy including directly by the president of the united states himself, we did get really really really close. after that global near death experience, because of that global near death experience, one very important thing and interesting and kind of creepy thing changed about the american presidency. because of the cuban missile
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crisis, we got the nuclear football. president john f. kennedy found once global nuclear war between the u.s. and russia wasn't some distant hypothetical insane possibility, president kennedy in 1962 realized even though he was president and had incredible power and responsibility in that situation, logistically, he didn't exactly know how one would go about doing this? how is a president supposed to start a global nuclear war if he decides that's what he wants to do? the overall idea is clear, a war room convened as commander-in-chief and the president ordering them to start dropping nuclear missiles on moscow. but how do you actually do it?
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what are the granular specifics how you do it? how do you contact the war room? what exactly should the president say to the war room by the phone? who would answer that phone and how do they know it was the presidenon the other end of the line. if t president did decide it was time to launch nuclear weapons at another country, as black and white as that sounds, it's not actually a black and white decision, not just yes or no, nuclear war or no nuclear war, once you decide to use nuclear weapons, the president has options how many to use. how many different options would a president have in that instance if he called the war room and said, let's start this thing? presumably at that point in time would be of the essence, and presumably the only reason we were shooting nuclear missiles to russia because they were on the way here and the president would have to work quickly. how could he granularly convey
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to the military which weapons he wanted fired, which targets he wanted destroyed. how would he be able to convey how big a nuclear war he wanted to wage in that instance. by this point, of course, the united states had already used nuclear weapons in war-time. we're the only country that ever had, right? the end of world war ii. since then, we have built thousand of them and by 1962, we had hundreds of them on hair trigger alert, we had thousands of nuclear missiles and nuclear bombs locked and loaded and ready to go. until kennedy got that close in the fall of 1962, to potentially using themw we never before had worked out these very specific granular details how a president would go about doing them. those parts of this system had never been organized and put in an understandable user-friendly way at the disposal of the president and wouldn't be
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confusing or potentially hijac hijackable in a moment of crisis. cuban missile crisis may of 1962. by may of 1963, we had the nuclear football thanks to president kennedy's concerns how the logistics went around that crisis, by the spring of 1963, there was a military officer following president kennedy around everywhere he went, ca y carrying a heavy briefcase/small suitcase, come to be known as the nuclear football, contains codes for the president to verify his identitity and attack options he wants to launch and at what targets he wants to aim then. and within the football the instructions he wants to convey to the military if he decides to do it. >> that whole suitcase was invented in 1963. that is the system. we still do it. quite famously, it is the job
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for every president. hopefully there is so low blood pressure file military officer available for the job. the job is to stay close to the president at all times carrying what is officially known as the president's emergency satchel. the whole prospect of the nuclear codes being physically close to the president at all times, it's a little -- essentially unnerving and makes you want to take seriously who gets to be president in this country. it is somehow additionally unnerving to remember there isn't just one nuclear football, there isn't just one of those emergency presidential satchels, there are three of them. one, they keep physically close to the president at all times. one, they keep as a spare, ah! and the third one, they keep with the vice president. which makes sense. you forget about that when you think about the responsibilities of being vice president, right?
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>> he talks cavalierly about encouraging other nations, as hillary pointed out, to develop nuclear weapons as if a nuclear war is some trivial affair? does he not understand we wrote japan's constitution to say they could not be a nuclear power? where was he? someone lax in judgment cannot be trusted. there's a guy that follows me right back here, has the nuclear co codes. god forbid anything happened to the president and i had to make a decision, the codes are with me. he is not qualified to know the code. he can't be trusted. >> vice president joe biden making the case against donald trump and in so doing he as vice president has the nuclear
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football. if you are president or vice president, the nuclear codes are never more than a few feet away. vice president appeared in his hometown of scranton, pennsylvania in this joint appearance with hillary clinton. this appearance had been postponed because of certain various news events and finally came together today. because this was hardscrabble scranton, pennsylvania, the hometown of joe biden and also the hometown of hillary clinton's dad, she spent a lot of time there as a kid, because pennsylvania's considered a background state, because pennsylvania is considered a background state because of blue collar white people in parts of the state like scranton, i think there was a lot of expectation today this biden-clinton event would be oo blue collar white people event and focuses on what the campaign sees as hard core middle class working and
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interests and talking about manufacturing and good trades. there was some of that but they also did other stuff and interesting news made. hillary clinton announced the pure cancer moon shot the obama administration has taken up in its second term vice president biden has been running from the white house. she said if elected, her administration will continue that effort and she will keep joe biden in charge of it. that was interesting. the vice president talked about that cancer moon shot effort some today. most of what he talked about was national security on this day donald trump was giving one of his few and far between policy speeches where he actually reads from a teleprompter on foreign policy and there in scranton, pennsylvania, joe biden, simultaneously talking about not letting the nuclear football get anywhere near donald trump, talking about what he said was
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the damage trump has already done just as a presidential candidate to america's alliances and interests around the world. >> putin's determined to crack nato and crack the european alliance. that is his overarching, overwhelming interest. i'm heading from here, getting on a plane and flying to kosovo, then to serbia, then i'm going to the baltic states. you know one of the reasons i'm going? to make sure to reassure those members of nato in the baltic sta states, we mean what we say. we mean what we say, this sacred alliance of 60 years. because they're worried! this guy's shame has no limits. he's even gone so far as to ask putin and russia to conduct cyber attack is an intelligence the united states of america.
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even if he is joking, which he's not, even if he's joking, what an outrageous thing to say! >> vice president biden ripping into donald trump today, and also announcing that one part of his forthcoming european trip is designed specifically for him as vice president to go reassure the baltic states, to go soothe their fears after donald trump repeatedly raised the prospect if russia invades those countries the u.s. won't necessarily come to their defense against russia even though we're in nato with them and treaty bound to come to defense. it's not an idle worry. russia has been pushing at its baltic border pretty aggressi aggressively the last several years, taking on ukraine and waging war in part of ukraine. here's russia, on the right side of the map.
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you see ukraine on the bottom and latvia, those are the bat tick states. vice president biden announcing he will be visiting latvia to try to soothe their concerns we won't defend them against russia. until 2014 in ukraine, russia did not apparently feel compelled to claw away at its border with ukraine and take over pieces of that country largely because russia had their own guy in control of that country, installed a russia friendly viktor yanukovych, and this pro-russia pro-putin dictator in ukraine as his top political advisor in ukraine an american, experienced american political pro who kept an office in kiev, moved to kev part-time,
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this american political guru who basically orchestrated yanukovych's rise to power as putin's guy as president in ukraine. popular uprisings in ukraine ultimately threw yanukovych out. after that he went scurrying back to russia and thanked putin for rescuing him after he was thrown out of power in his own country. after that, that american political advisor kept working with viktor yanukovych's old party in ukraine to re-brand themselves and gave them a new name to help get them back in power. if you care about ukraine politics and russia busting out of its western borders and taking over parts of neighboring countries and whether there is a nato and russia war because they will push into some russian countries on the western border and treaty bound to defend them,
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if you care about this stuff, it has always been this juicy interesting creepy american sidebar there's this involvement of this american political consultant and what happened over there. this american political consultant basically created yanukovych, the pro-putin guy in ukraine. once he was run out of town, the same american guy helped yanukovych's chief of staff and former allies, helped his party regroup and try to get back in power. is that american guy still working for those folks? is there still an american political advisor, working the pr pro-putin side in ukraine? there's always been this creepmy pressure about this international story but now it ends up being a very important american news story that important political consultant with an office in kiev and brought the pro-putin dictator
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back into power, it's important to know whether he is still doing that work, whether he still represents those folks and works on their behalf. that political consultant is the chairman of the donald trump for president campaign now, paul manafort. his name has turned up 22 times in a handwritten ledger the ukrainian government believes to be a hand ritter ledwritten led secret payments on the books to several entity. manafort's name is in this so-called blackledger 22 times alongside payment amounts that add up to 12$12.7 million. it doesn't say he received 1$12 million but slated to, according to this ledger. when viktor yanukovych was overthrown in 2014, one of the things they did was got into his
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palatial estates and recovered thousands of documents about yanukovych and how he ran the country and what nice stuff he bought for himself and his entourage that run the country. i remember we talked about how they went diving on the lagoon of his presidential palace and tried to sink and burn and destroy, as yanukovych was running back to putin and laid them out in the warehouses and dried them in his presidential sauna and tried to recover these docume documents. these documents were not taken from yanukovych's presidential estate, they were reportedly found in an office of his political party in central kiev, runs to 400 pages. nbc news has obtained 22 pages of this ledger that do not
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apparently describe any reported payments to palm man-- paul manafort, the campaign chair but give you documental basis. but the you cainian government's anti-corruption bureau did not provide us with these documents but confirmed their authenticity. we contained 20 pages of this tonight. they won't be too much use to you unless you know the cyrillic alphabet, but maybe you do. knock yourself out. >> paul manafort said he has never received a single off the books cash payment overseas and says he stopped working there several months before viktor n mankovic got thrown out by angry mobs and hit in russia.
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paul manafort's office on a leafy street in central kiev and was all there and stuffed with paul manafort's personal stuff as recently as may of this year. the clinton campaign, for weeks now, including with joe biden making this intense multiple campaign push on national security to try to say donald trump is unfit, to try to convince voters if what you care about is the safety of this country, donald trump cannot be trusted to handle international relations and foreign policy on behalf of the united states and cannot be trust windy the nuclear codes. thanks to the "new york times" they hit him with something very specific. as soon as this went live, the clinton campaign at 11:00 p.m. demanded a statement to know whether the donald trump for
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president or any others are currently representing or being paid by russian entities or pro kremlin entities. because we don't know. in that political thriller you've been thinking about writing. when you get to the plot point where the campaign chair of a major presidential candidate is on the payroll for potentially hundreds of millions of dollars and still might be on the campaign, you have to throw it out because it's too ridiculous, it could never happen. truth is stranger than any fiction you could in vent. machines that can also communicate digitally. like ? that's not a robot, that's my coworker earl.
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he builds jet engines with his human hands. what about that robot? that is a vending machine, ricky. john, give him a dollar.
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nuclear is tippy top from what i hear. i like that putin is bombing the hell out of isis and it will be isis. putin has to get rid of isis because he doesn't want them coming into russian. >> i like putin because he's a strong leader unlike what we have, we have a pathetic leader. >> it's been one of the weird dynamics in the trump campaign for a while. the "new york times" reports his campaign manager, paul manafort appears 22 times in the ledger of cash payments or planned cash payments in excess of $12 million to paul manafort from a pro-russian political party in ukraine. truth strange than fiction. joining us now is the former u.s. ambassador to russia, now political science professor at stanford. nice to see you.
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thanks for being with us tonight. >> thanks for having me. >> is the clinton campaign asking the right question here demanding to know whether his campaign chair or other advisors are currently on the payroll of russian interests or pro-russian intere interests. is that the right question to be asking, do you think? >> it's a reasonable rhetorical question. i highly doubt any of them are on the payroll. we do deserve to know when they were being paid, how much they were being paid and who paid them. let's be clear. i worked in that part of the world for decades and studied and written about it. things are not so clean cut there. not like you give to the campaign and the campaign pays the consultants. sometimes there are murky deals done to pay campaign consulta consultants. i think the american people desterve to know what he received and when he received it and what he received and make
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clear he's no longer working for mr. yanukovych or his allies. >> is it conceivable people working for yanukovych and allies working for pro putin covert forces who would be both doing that work, on the payroll, getting paid, involved in deals somehow and they could be operating in u.s. politics simultaneo simultaneously, with the interests of those clients in mind, without ever having to disclose it here? don't we have the kind of disclosure requirements that would mean that couldn't be done in secret? >> i'm not a legal expert on that. we do not, to the best of my knowledge, have those kind of l laws. we have something could fora, the on for agents registration act that requires you to register if you're representing an on for government, foreign entity in the united states. i think mr. manafort, in fact i know his company has registered
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under fora because they were representing mr. myanukovych an his party in the united states. to work abroad as a consultant and domestically as a consultant, to the best of my knowledge, we don't have laws that force you to disclose that and maybe we should. i think it's a very important question. >> in temps rms of putin's thin and russia's thinking about the united states and our leadership, what would they most want from an american president within the realm of possibility within american politics? what would they hope to get out of their chosen presidential candidate? >> they would love a guy who would say i will look into recognizing crimea is part of russia. they would love a guy who said we need to rethink our relationship with our nato allies. they would love someone to say i don't care about democracy and
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human rights anymore. all those positions are posit n positions mr. trump has taken. that's why putin and the people around him like trump, you don't need paul manafort to be involved in that. they like him because of the policies he supports. they don't like secretary clinton because she supports the exact opposite of all those policies i just described. >> michael mcfaul, thank you for your time. good to see you. >> thanks for having me. there's late breaking news tonight on president obama, is efforts to try to finish off one item on his presidential to-do list he has described as one of his greatest sources of frustration as president making a big chunk of progress toward meeting that goal. that story coming up next and the new electoral map that will not please donald trump or his campaign whether or not it's -- nice to be back. stay with us.
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with anything. apparently six of these 15 transfers were unanimously approved by the guantanamo task force and the nine remaining prisoners were approved by the review board of six different agencies that reviews the cases one by one to see if any part of the u.s. government objects to their being released. they been approved by those various boards and all 15 went this weekend. with 15 gone, they're down to 61 replaning prisone 61 remaining prisoners and down from 142 when president obama took office. they want that number down to zero by the time the next president takes over because they still want to close guantanamo. ticktock, time is getting shor from long island to buffalo, from rochester to the hudson valley,
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>> i will win new york against hillary clinton. i think i'm going to win new york. i think i have a chance to win new york. can you imagine if you win new york. if we beat hillary clinton i think i will win new york. if i win new york, no republican will even campaign. i think i will win new york, i really do, i mean in the general election. if somebody ever won new york it totally -- with the electoral college it totally changes the map. i think we will win new york, i really do. >> you're not going to win new york.
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i'm not like saying like i don't think you're going -- you're not going to win new york. the latest statewide poll just out today in new york shows hillary clinton crushing donald trump in new york, i'm not being hyp hyperbolic, she's crushing him, beating him by 30 points in new york. obama beat romney in 2012 by 28 points insane and unstoppable competent the fact clinton is pulling ahead of donald trump more than that. donald trump keeps saying i'm going to win new york. new york is a fantasy for any republican in a year and particularly a fantasy for donald trump. he's not going to win new york. a far bigger trump -- a far bigger trump -- a far bigger trump for problem is states he might really have a shot at, states he needs to conceivably be competitive in if he want to find a realistic path to winning. new york is not a realistic
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path. there are different ways to figure outer the way the election will turn out. to me, the electoral map projection is the clearest most honest way to predict the national outcome. it's not an individual pole and extrapolating from that. an electoral map projection t e takes into account the recent polling of all the states and based on that polling, you put the states into categories. this one, dark red, likely republican states. slightly paler led, salmony colored, leaning republican states. then you've got the equivalent on the democratic side, solid dark blue, likely democratic states and light blue, leaning democratic. then you have the toss-up states reasonableably speaking you can't say who will win. this is a new electoral map out from nbc news based on current
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polling. one problem on this map for consifor donald trump is some of the usual toss-up states we have no idea who will win, colorado, new hampshire, pennsylvania and virginia, they're no longer considered toss-ups, those states aren't yellow. after looking at current polling, nbc moved all five of those toss-up states all over into the blue column, made them all lean democratic column. another cause for alarm for donald trump is nbc has moved kansas and south carolina from dark red to light red. likely republican to lean republican. you'd think with south carolina and kansas, you'd think they were not just likely, likely slash slam-dunk guaranteed/obviously this is ruby red, south carolina and kansas. instead, light red, lean
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republican now. south carolina leans republican, kansas leans republican? in terms of what's still a toss-up only five, florida, iowa, nevada, georgia, five states and one single electoral college vote and one congressional district in maine. if those are the toss-up states, you do the math and they go there at way and lean republican and democrat go red and the others go blue, if you sign those out that way and then you say that donald trump has the best day in the entire world and completely outperforms expectations and wins all the toss-up states and electoral college vote in maine he's after and wins all the toss-ups, insane because nobody wins all the toss-up states, even if d d
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donald trump did win all the toss-up states he would still lose, hillary clinton is that far ahead right now. the lean democrat and likely democrat are plenty for her to get there. lean democrat and likely add up to 288 votes. you need 270 to win. even if she loses all the toss- toss-ups, he's still toast. with a map like that you would think donald trump would spend every waking second in states he needs to win or he needs to flip. an instead, donald trump spent his weekend in connecticut. president obama won connecticut by 18 points in 2012. connecticut has a governor who is a democrat, two united states senat senators, both democrats, five members of the house, all five democrats, a state assembly, democratic controlled, a state senate, democratic controlled.
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not like there are no republicans in connecticut, they did last elect a republican to congress a decade ago in 2006. he was a republican congressman named chris shays. chris shays has now endorsed hillary clinton for president. what's donald trump doing in connecticut with an electoral map like he's facing right now? maybe he had to be there for a fund-raiser, reports today trump's spokesperson didn't respond when asked if he would be doing fund-raising through this state. he did attend a fund-raiser in the hamptons in new york the afternoon before he went to connecticut on saturday night. 83 days left to go in the campaign, the background match looking as absolutely desperate as it does, what the hell is he doing in connecticut? watch this space. >> we're making a big move for
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> 23-year-old sylville smith was shot to death by a police officer in wisconsin this week by refusing to drop his handgun when the police officer told him to. the department is currently investigating his death and dozens of investigations in all police involved shootings that result in deaths in wisconsin. in the two days since that sh t shooting, the city of milwaukee have had protests that have turned violent. it did take a turn and several proteste erers handcuffed and t into custody for unlawful assembly and four police offi r officers injured after throwing glass and bottles and one police officer shot and hospitalized. saturday night, gunfire and cars overturned and six gas stations
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burned out. it's been a couple tough nights in wisconsin, last night and saturday night. as of right now, this is what the scene has looked like this evening, tweeted by a local reporter not long ago. extra points for cuteness. free cupcakes and hugs and music near milwaukee sherman park earlier tonight. the protest and violence and sadness and upset that have w h washed over milwaukee several days, this sunshine with the toy trumpet is very much needed for residents looking for peace. tempers were high particularly since the death of dontre hamilton in 2014. you will likely remember that name. he had a history of mental illness unarmed when he was shot
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14 times by milwaukee police officer in broad daylight and the polices agreed to work with the justice department in all aspects of the police force. it is still in place today but it has not ended violence in the city obviously and not stopped incidents like the death of sylville smith saturday night. local radio producer turner has been reporting the violence over the weekend shouldn't be seen as coming out of nowhere and tension going on for months. that bp gas station was not a random location. earlier this summer, altercat n altercations been police and kids spilled over and they broke some windows and they d-- the employee fired a gun to disperse the group and the owner was charged with disorderly conduct.
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after this protest in violence, that this is gas station now gone, burned out. that's where milwaukee is right now. the entire county is under state of emergency imposed by governor scott walker and activated the national guard in case needed and they will enforce a 10:00 p.m. curfew for everybody under the age of 18. that will be the state of things in milwaukee tonight and the state of things in milwaukee tomorrow when donald trump's campaign arrives. tomorrow, the trump campaign has two fund raisers scheduled in wisconsin, one in milwaukee and the other across the state in lacrosse scheduled to tape an interview with a fox news host at a feared in milwaukee tomorrow followed by a big campaign rally in west bend about 45 minutes away. no word whether the trump campaign might amend any part of this schedule tomorrow in the
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wake of protests and violence milwaukee has been dealing with the last couple of days. the timing in this cases is something. joining united states now is i eash that turner, the producer of "precious lives," ongoing radio series about guns and l e lives in milwaukee. thank you for joining us. the context i tried to provide the last few days but where milwaukee is at heading into this current crisis, does that seem right or important parts i'm leaving out? >> could you repeat the last part of your question? >> am i getting anything wrong or any parts of the question i'm leaving out to understand what's happening in milwaukee? >> no. i think it was smart of you to go back to the case in 2014 when dontre hamilton was shot downtown in a park here.
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i think the tensions we saw over the weekend have been building for some time. what's important not think of it in the context of police shootings or violence, really the fact we're talking about a community that has felt ignored a really long time. when we're seeing the violence that happened over the weekend, of course, it's not the majority of people but people are expr s expressing an anger and d discontent that has really been bui building. these are people saying, you know, we've been ignored for this long and so now we finally have your attention. >> it's been interesting to see people assert positions of authority in milwaukee. obviously, the governor and the mayor and sheriff and police chief you can tell what they're in charge of by their job title or uniform. things like this curfew and appeals for calm and appeals for peaceful and constructive protests and hopes there can be
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mutual trust to get through this investigation, that's often not just the people who say they're in charge, people who have leadership roles in the community. is the milwaukee situation bl s blessed with community leadership where there is any trust and leaders can talk to each other? >> i would say it's split. there is a desire to come together and work together. you're talking about people more on the ground living their lives day-to-day in this sherman park community, there is skepticism what change can come from this and a lot of mistrust from the leaders supposedly from the community because a lot of people are now saying, now that there have been these fires and been big protest, now, you're coming into the community and wanting to hear from us and you weren't really here before. there's a push at an official level for people to come
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together and think of bigger solutions to the problem. i am still a little concerned about the skepticism that exists among community members. >> aisha turner, a radio series producer. thank you for being with us. nice to have you on the show. >> thanks so much. rachel. >> we'll be right back. stay with us. that's why i have the spark cash card from capital one. with it, i earn unlimited 2% cash back on all of my purchasing. and that unlimited 2% cash back from spark means thousands of dollars each year going back into my business... which adds fuel to my bottom line. what's in your wallet? nexium 24hfor their own#1 choice of docfrequent heartburn.s for complete protection all day and night make nexium 24hr your #1 choice.
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even though her law license was suspended because of the charges pending against her. and it was also the moment last fall when in an attempt to vindicate herself, an attempt to strike back at her enemies, kathleen kane decided to release crude e-mails that were sent between a number of pennsylvania government officials, she released those documents and rethreatened to release more. none of that was enough to clear her of these charges, again, pennsylvania's serving attorney general tonight convicted on nine criminal charges, including one felony charge that could carry up to seven years in prison. sentencing is expected in 90 days. we'll be right back.
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well, today rudy introduced donald trump and governor mike pence, and then this thing happened. there's this segment we do whenever the news cycle calls for it, the segment is called, now here is the thing. it comes to courtesy of rudy, now here is the thing. >> by the way. under those eight years before obama came along we didn't have any successful radical islamic terrorist attack in the united states. they all started when clinton and obama got into office. >> those eight years before obama and clinton got into office, that's when we got our first radical islamic. that's the thing that happened
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last night members of the brazilian men's gymnastic team took home the silver and the bronze in the men's floor routine. brazil has never won a medal in that event, but let alone two medals. the reaction was more awesome. one of them started sobbing, the two of them sobbed together while they both held the flag. then once they got up to the podium there was the collective ugly crying, it was so genuine and so awesome. sometimes it is not about win the gold, sometimes it's about getting on to the podium and winning anything, that brings us to these two men, rowers on the irish olympic team. they're brothers. they took home a silver medal in rio. ireland's first medal. it was the country's ever medal
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in rowing that's great. these two brothers they are greater. take it away, guys. >> guys, good afternoon, congratulations, you did us proud today. how are you feeling? >> we're in rio. >> the background is very real. >> it's all there. >> lads, listen, what has the last few hours been like for you? >> to be honest, i suppose we did celebrate in the podium thing and got put on the podium. it was quite nice. >> they are just happy they got to put on their podium pants. if you're wondering, these are their podium pants. they're wearing their podium pants and most coveted