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united states is not sounding and looking like an s.o.b. that's "hardball." "all in with chris hayes" starts right now. tonight on "all in" -- >> i'm always careful with the clients i take. >> donald trump's campaign chairman quits. >> my father didn't want the distraction. >> tonight all the intrigue on the third reboot in five months. plus, the new softer trump returns to divide and coveranqu. >> what do you have to lose? >> and what does donald trump mean when he expresses regret? >> i regret it. >> i'll ask a trump senior adviser tonight. >> particularly where it may have caused personal pain. plus, disaster politics on the bayou. breaking news on the president's visit to the flood zone. and 49ennifrightening new zika warnings in a major american city. >> we believe we have a new area where local transmissions are occurring. >> "all in" starts now.
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good evening from new york, i'm joy reid in for chris hayes. this week when donald trump brought in two new people to take over day-to-day leadership from campaign manager paul manafort, the campaign insisted it was not in crisis. this was just a normal part of staffing up for the general election. >> there is no shake-up, no one is out. everyone retains their position. he's just adding to the campaign, which is something we've been doing all along the way. >> today the other shoe finally dropped. less than two months after taking control, following the ousted cory lewandowski, paul manafort handed in his resignation. brought in to oversee the convention and repair relationships with the gop establishment, manafort fear headed efforts to rein in donald trump's more destructive instivths, which led to trump feeling boxed in and did nothing to stop his downward slide in the polls. it's said the relationship was
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tense, even adversarial with trump reluctant to listen to and trust his campaign chair. the source said trump didn't like being told he was wrong. manafort has been under increasing scrutiny for former pro-russian government in ukraine, which was toppled in massive violent protests a few years ago. new details about man on fort's lobbying on behalf of the party -- and now his firm is under federal investigation. in an interview, donald trump's son eric, acknowledged that manafort's ukraine dealings had played a role in his departure. >> i think my father didn't want to be distracted by whatever things paul was dealing with. paul was amazing, he helped us get through the primary, through the convention, did a great job with the delegates, but my father didn't want the distraction looming over the campaign and quite frankly looming over all the issues
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hillary is facing right now. >> they surely homed it would be a positive day of news coverage for trump. all week, he's been attempting his umpteenth general election pivot, giving scripted speeches in an effort to stay on message. last night he tried something totally new. an apology of sorts. >> sometimes in the heat of debate and speaking on a multitude of issues, you don't choose the right words. or you say the wrong thing. i have that done that. and believe it or not, i regret it. thank you. and i do regret it. particularly where it may have caused personal pain. >> now trump didn't actually specify what he was apologizing for, and he appeared to back away from it somewhat later in his speech. more on that coming up in a bit. but according to his new
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campaign manager, kellyanne conway, it's all part of a strategy to change how trump is perceived. >> of all the people, david, who have been saying, hey, let's get trump to pivot and be more presidential. that is presidential. and it's also presidential today to have him and governor pence going to louisiana in a decidedly non-political event, no press allowed, going to help people on the ground who are in need. >> conway was referring to trump's visit today in baton rouge, where record-breaking floods have left thousands homeless in the worst u.s. natural disaster since hurricane sandy. he toured the area this morning alongside his running mate. >> i've had a great history with louisiana. they need a lot of help. what's happened here is incredible. nobody understands how bad it is. i'm just here to help. >> but despite the campaign shake-up and reboot this week, there have been telling signs that trump is still trumping. today the campaign released the very first general election ad, part of a $4 million ad buy in four battleground states.
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it echoes the underlying theme of trump's convention. be afraid, be very afraid. >> in hillary clinton's america, the system stays rigged against america. syrian refugees flood in, illegal legal immigrants convicted of crimes get to stay, collecting social security benefits, skipping the line. our border open, it's more of the same, but worse. donald trump's america is secure, terrorists and dangerous criminals kept out. the border secure, our families, safe. change that makes america safe again. donald trump for president. >> i'm donald trump and i approve this message. >> trump's campaign stop in north carolina last night, the site of his big mea culpa, an 18-year-old college student was rejected from the rally and said he went from a trump backer to opponent after trump's security accused him of being a known protester. the student who is asian american and his father say they believe he was profiled because of his dark skin. joining me now, rick wilson, who is working for independent
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presidential candidate evan mcmullin and msnbc contributor josh barrow at business insider. i want to start where we ended there. i'll start with you, rick, because it wouldn't seem that you two are the obvious people to ask about this next question, but in a way you are. donald trump, both yesterday in michigan -- yesterday in north carolina and then today, is starting to make this pitch ostensibly to african americans. i want to have you take a listen to it. >> no group in america has been more harmed by hillary clinton's policies than african americans. no group. tonight, i'm asking for the vote of every single african american citizen in this country who wants to see a better future. look how much african american communities have suffered under democratic control.
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to those i say the following, what do you have to lose by trying something new, like trump? >> i'm not sure who he was pointing to, because where he was speaking has a population that is 94% white, 1.1% african american, maybe he was pointing to the one person of color who didn't get thrown out like that poor asian american teenager that was a trump supporter. why would a candidate go to 94% white dimondale, michigan, and try to make a ditch to african americans? >> because donald trump isn't a guy with a political brain in his head. he doesn't understand the high hurdle that he has to climb with african americans, especially in a week after he's just named as the replacement for pavel manafort, the former russian tool that just left. he named his replacement, steve bannon, a guy who is a cancer on conservativism, and who has
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spent the last year and a half whiping up his breitbart audience with racially inflammatory coverage over and over again. this is a guy with a very difficult sell to make here. and because trump doesn't understand that african americans are innately skeptical of his message, because of his past, his father's past, as a guy who was repeatedly dinged for being -- excluding african americans from his housing, and who was allegedly affiliated with the klan. it's very hard to make that sell. but also, if you just scratch all that and say, as just a purely amoral calculating political moment, just say i'm going to try to get part of the democratic base, you probably would have had to do more work on the front end, rather than the back end. and say, vote for me, what can go wrong? with trump, a lot can go wrong. >> all of it.
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i feel like the problem with this, the audience is white voters, who may look at the bannon hire and say, wait a minute, breitbart, you mean the alt-right site that is a thinly veiled cover for the new neo-nazis in the united states. but saying, i like african americans, you can vote for me. >> this is not a message for black people, which is why he said it in front of an almost entirely white audience. one is democrats are the real racist. people should stop harassing us republicans about this, and that's a message for his base. and the other thing for white voters who ordinarily often vote republican but are put off because they think donald trump is way too racist, is no, look, really, i care about black people, look at me focusing on black people. i don't think he's making that message work, in part because of the way that he went off script in these comments. one thing he said, addressing black people, you're living in
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poverty, your schools are terrible, you don't have jobs. so obviously not true of all or even most black people in the united states. and that wasn't in the remarks -- or the scripted remarks. supposed to be somewhat more careful about laying out why black people face problems in the u.s. and how he'd do better, but he couldn't stay on the script. one thing trump talks about is struggling white communities, sounds similar to the way he talks about black communities, in a way that i think sounds very condescending, saying upstate new york looks like a war zone. this doesn't seem to put off white people. it seems to appeal to those people in those communities. so i think part of his psychology, well, i talked to white people about how terrible everything is for them, and how screwed up it is for them, so why not try it with black people. >> i think because there's a victimhood envy on the right,
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with breitbart, you're being victimized by people of color, by muslims and immigrants, et cetera. but i want to go back to the other end of it. that ad that shows trump's america as essentially almost an armed camp where the military will invade and take care of everyone, that's what it looked like in the ad. that on top of the other thing trump is doing, is saying, america first, but having all of these russo phials around him. manafort may be out, but rick gates is still there, a manafort deputy. still carter page who is thought to be the guy who changed the republican platform, to be more pro-putin and anti-nato. ivanka trump, who he says is his adviser, vacationing with wendy deng, who used to be married to rupert murdoch, who is dating a putin. michael flynn, probably the most pro-putin general to serve in the united states military. what is going on here? >> so i think it's a couple of
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things. i don't think donald trump set out to be the pro-russian candidate. i think this is sort of a crowd he felt in with. i don't think he thinks deeply about u.s.-russia relations. i think he has a gut attraction to authoritarian leaders, but i think if he became president it's likely he would end up feeling double crossed by putin and we may end up in more conflict with russia than a sort of normal president. but the other thing is, nobody in the respectable foreign policy establishment will deal with donald trump. >> right. >> so he has to go out and find advisers, they end up being marginal weird cranks. >> why doesn't the base of the republican party rebel against this pro-putinism? >> they are rebelling in large measure. republicans are slipping away from donald trump every day. he's losing more republicans. he's not consolidating the republican vote. the foreign policy-driven republicans are already very much in the weeds because they
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recognize that dictators and authoritaryians are not the role models for american presidents. >> indeed. thank you both. happy friday. still to come, donald trump's campaign shake-up, will it help overturn his extreme deficit with one major demographic -- women voters. we'll talk about that ahead. plus, after trump admits some of the things he said, we want to know exactly what he regrets saying. so i'll ask a senior adviser just that, right after this two-minute break. i love my shop,
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sometimes in the heat of debate and speaking on a multitude of issues, you don't choose the right words, or you say the wrong thing. i have done that. and believe it or not, i regret
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it. and i do regret it. particularly where it may have caused personal pain. >> in the face of withering criticism and sinking poll numbers, donald trump kicked off last night's campaign speech in charlotte, north carolina, by expressing regret, for having caused personal pain. it wasn't clear whether he was actually apologizing. >> so much talk about your speech yesterday, was that an apology? >> they have to take it like they see it. but i really enjoyed that speech, i think people enjoyed it very much. thank you, tom. >> it also remains unclear what trump feels so badly about, since his statement of regret was more of a blanket "my bad," than if it specified nothing. kellyanne conway tried to clarify things. >> we heard last night that new
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tone. he actually said that sometimes along the way in the heat of the moment, you say the wrong thing. but he went further, donald trump saying, i do regret it, particularly where it may have caused personal pain. what was he talking about? >> he was talking about anyone who feels offended by anything he said. and that's all him. >> you mentioned anyone who has been personally offended by what he said. john mccain early on, when he said, you know, he's a war hero because he was captured, i like people who weren't captured. what he said about the khans. will he reach out to them personally? >> he may, but i hope they heard him last night. >> bear in mind what made this so remarkable, that it came from a man whose personal doctrine has been that telling like it is means never having to say you're sorry. like back in may when he was asked whether he regret disparaging senator mccain's military service. >> do you regret saying that?
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>> i like not to regret anything. you do things and you say things. and what i said, frankly, is what i said. you know, some people like what i said, if you want to know the truth. there are many people that like what i said. you know, after i said that, my poll numbers went up seven points. >> in the latest nbc news/survey monkey poll, donald trump is down nine points to hillary clinton. joining me now is senior adviser to the trump campaign jack kingston, former republican congressman from georgia. thanks so much for being here. >> it's great to be with you, joy. >> let's talk about that. donald trump said he regrets anything he may have said that has caused personal pain. and then kellyanne conway, the new campaign manager, said he may reach out to those that feel offended. so let's go through some of the things he's said that have caused pain and hurt him. probably the thing that's hurt trump the most with african americans who don't know his personal history, housing discrimination, the birtherism, saying barack obama is not an american citizen, which he
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started saying as far back as 2011. why doesn't he show his birth certificate? demanding to see his papers. do you think that's something he regrets? >> i don't know. i'm wondering if hillary and the democrats regret calling on mrs. trump's citizenship. >> i don't think the democrats have questioned mrs. trump's citizenship. >> yes, they have. >> i have to tell you, i used to do campaign communications, so i know shifting the subject to something else is a great tactic. but you didn't answer my question. >> but, joy, my job is to present our side. >> but i'm asking you a question and you didn't answer. >> i just -- well, okay, we're going to reset. you go ahead. >> do you think he regrets the birtherism, you can just say yes or no? >> i don't think he did anything wrong. i think he raised a question. >> do you still question whether the president of the united states is a citizen? >> let me say this, i think you guys should accept an apology and just go with it. this is what the left has been
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demanding. he made an apology. now, i frankly would love to see hillary clinton apologize to the family of the dead soldiers in benghazi, when she told them that it was caused by a video, which was an absolute, positive lie. wouldn't it be nice if she said, i was secretary of state, i am responsible, your sons' death were not -- >> are you going to filibuster, or are you going to answer any question that i ask you? give me one second. i'm going to ask you another question. you have given two things you'd like to see the democrats apologize for. let me give something trump might want to apologize for. calling mexican migrants rapists. >> i think you got an apology last night. >> for what specifically? did it include mexican migrants. >> he said anything that caused pain.
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>> you have to answer one specific thing that you think he apologized for. [ all speak at once ] you still have not answered. let's try another one. you're a former colleague of senator john mccain, who serves in the united states senate -- >> joy, i'm sure you have a list of democrat talking points there. >> these are questions as to whether or not he should apologize to john mccain. >> joy, you know what we're going to do. do you think hillary should apologize -- >> you're not going to answer that question. [ all speak at once ] >> but, joy, you see what i'm saying. >> no, i don't. you're not answering any of my questions. >> you're not answering me. >> you're here to answer questions, not ask them. i'm having a discussion. i'm not on trial. i'm a guest on a show. we're having a political discourse. >> you are an adviser to the campaign. i'm going to try one more time. >> he did a great job last night. >> you're an adviser to the
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campaign, sir. would you advise him to make specific apologies, rather than a blanket, vague one? >> no. >> specifically to the khan family? >> i think the people who were dissatisfied have already made up their minds that they don't like donald trump. >> it sounds like you don't think he should be specific in his apologies. really appreciate it. >> going on to talk about the economy and the foreign policy and the issues that count, that's where the speech really went. >> jack kingston, you are an excellent politician, because the filibuster appears to be your speciality. thank you very much. >> thanks a lot. before we go to break, we want to remind you, that hillary clinton and donald trump will appear back-to-back in a commander in chief forum on september 7. an historic event, first of its kind. you can watch it right here in primetime on nbc and msnbc. coming up, donald trump visited flooded baton rouge today, despite the governor
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coming up, a wild scene in the bayou today when donald trump and his heavily armed secret service escort hastily landed in flood ravaged louisiana. the presidential politics of disaster is next. but first, in the late 19 sefrts the u.s. made a deal to sell arms to iran when this guy's return to power had been orchestrated by the cia. then in 1979 came the iranian revolution, the overthrow of the shah, the rise of the ayatollah
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khomeini, suddenly iran was an enemy and the u.s. was not about to send arms its way. but iran had already paid $400 million for fighter jets and the iranians sought restitution, taking their case to the hague, where they want the $10 billion in today's money. the obama administration negotiated to get the amount down to $1.7 billion and was set to pay the first installment of $400 million in january. but there was a sticking point. iran had detained a group of americans, including a washington post reporter and the u.s. wanted them freed before it handed over any cash. so it use its leverage. the state department acknowledging yesterday that it delayed the payment for several hours to ensure the prisoners were released before the money was handed over. this outraged many republicans, including the party's presidential candidate who used the news to attack both hillary clinton and the president.
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>> he said we don't pay ransom, but we did. he lied about the hostages. openly and blatantly. just like he lied about obamaca obamacare. >> of course it wasn't actually a ransom. the money was going to be paid anyway. the administration just wanted to make sure its people were safe first. it was akin to what donald trump might call the art of the deal, and in fact, it's what trump advocated last july when the iran nuclear deal was first announced. >> we have four prisoners over there. we should have said, let the prizesoners out. one is over there because he's a christian. a pastor. one's in there, a writer. they shouldn't be in prison. so he should have said, we're not doing anything, let them out. they would have let them out in two minutes.
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it's disgusting that the president is in martha's vineyard playing golf while this is happening. people's houses are under water. their lives are ruined. people are dead. you have caskets floating down the street and the president of the united states can't stop a round of golf to go check in on the victims of this awful tragedy. >> despite the governor of louisiana making clear that political photo ops were not welcome in a time of crisis, donald trump and his running mate traveled to flood ravaged baton rouge for a trip his campaign manager has decided would be no press allowed.
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of course press were allowed. it looked like someone told richie rich he needed more extracurriculars on his college app. now we're going to let the tape of trump unloading toys run for most of its entirety. because as media ike pointed out today, trump unloaded the truck for all of 49 seconds total. you're looking at the only 49 seconds of footage that shows the candidate actually doing something that might plausibly be considered helping the people of louisiana. that's it. as for the notion that his visit was decidedly non-political, consider this exchange. >> glad you're not playing golf in martha's vineyard. >> means a lot you showing up today. >> somebody is that shouldn't
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be. >> it's true the president is on vacation in martha's vineyard. but he does plan to visit louisiana on tuesday. why not today? because when a politician, especially one trailed by a veritable army of secret service agents shows up to divert resources in the near immediate aftermath of a disaster, it doesn't help anyone except maybe the politician, as hillary clinton pointedly noted in calling for donations today. right now, the relief effort can't afford any distractions. the very best way this team can help is to make sure louisianans have the resources they need. howard dean, former governor of vermont, presidential candidate and former chair of the dnc. governor dean, thanks so much for being here. it's great to talk to an actual former governor. because in a crisis situation like this, would you want the president of the united states and all that comes with him barrelling down into your state? >> well, look, because the governor of louisiana said that it would be better if the
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president did not come, that pretty much clinches it. and trump went anyway, because trump is all about trump, and he doesn't give a damn about anybody in louisiana. so, the answer to that is, if the governor asks you not to come, you shouldn't go. and he's going to go next week, which i think is good. >> you know, the other issue, of course, is that when a presidential candidate travels, they don't have as much secret service as the president, although when he was a candidate, barack obama had a lot, because of the threats against him. you were a presidential candidate. can you talk about what it entails when a presidential candidate travels, the security that's required. >> well, the problem is not so much the secret service that comes. the problem is what the secret service asks of the local law enforcement people. a lot of the set-up work, the secret service sends in a team in advance, but what they do, they work with the local law enforcement people. they go through all the places that the presidential candidate's going to be.
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they turn the place upside down. this is not the kind of thing you need in an emergency, and trump did this just to score points. >> you know, what donald trump actually did, during that, we showed the 49 seconds stop, the secret service set up, the security set up, usual lie they have to clear the area and do a sweep and let the people come back in. all of that to unload boxes of play-doh and toys for 49 seconds. if you were a governor in a crisis situation, would that be worth it to you? would that help you in some way? >> no. that's exactly the wrong thing to do. the right thing to do is what hillary did, ask for money. these folks don't need play-doh. they've lost their money, their houses. they need help getting back on their feet. coming in with a truck load of play-doh so you can look like you're doing something for these folks is a joke. donald trump is a joke, so let's just face it. but hillary did the right thing. hillary called for donations and that's what needed.
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taylor swift stepped up to the plate and gave a million dollars. that's going to help a lot of people. what trump did is not going to help anybody, except himself. >> let's turn to the people who criticize president obama not going down immediately in the aftermath of the storm. senator obama went to texas, so did senator clinton in the wake of katrina. do you think he should have showed himself in the aftermath of those floods? >> this is a really hard one. the answer is -- the political answer is, maybe he should have. i mean, it's always bad when you're playing golf and something like this happens. it looks like you don't care. this is not the first time this has happened. but you know, the guy is entitled to a vacation. he's got the hardest job in the world. and it's very true that if he -- abandoning your golf game is one thing. if he goes down there, he's in the way. trump was in the way. trump was a pain in the butt to a lot of these folks. if obama goes down there, when he goes down there, next week,
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he's going to, a, have money in his hand for the emergency declarations. b, have a much better handle on what's going on, and c, the people on the ground will have more time to show him what's really needed. the people from louisiana can't tell what's needed right now, because they have to do an assessment. >> and we'll be covering when he gets down there. howard dean, thank for your time. have a great weekend. >> thank you. still to come, a frightening new travel advisory from the cdc after confirmed cases of stwrzin miami beach. but first, bill clinton takes his first steps into being potentially a first gentleman and he's not off to a great start. that's after the break.
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because that's not bill's. it's hillary clinton's recipe, the same one she submitted in the first first cookie bake-off in 1992, telling the press, i want people to vote for my cookies, it's a matter of honor. she got her wish. hillary clinton's oatmeal chocolate chip cookies won against barbara bush's chocolate chip cookies and against elizabeth dole's cookies in 1996. now it seems like her husband is hoping to ride her cookie coat-tails to victory too this year. voting closes october 24th. ♪
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there are now five confirmed cases of zika in one of the world's most popular tourist destinations, miami beach, florida. yesterday the "miami herald" reported mochk eat oz are spreading zika virus in miami beach, according to sources familiar with discussions held by the florida department of health on thursday to alert local officials. according to "the miami herald," the florida department of health did not respond to questions
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about zika in miami beach. but in an e-mail to miami beach commissioners, the city manager noted that the two new zika infections were found in the resort city. last night the state health department said they had no confirmed cases, a position echoed by the city's mayor. >> there's no epidemic. there's no outbreak of zika on miami beach. nothing, and i repeat, nothing has been confirmed from the florida department of health, by the cdc, or by the county. i know there's been talk about some kind of cluster. there's no cluster. >> this afternoon, the governor of florida, rick scott, gave a press conference, confirming cases of zika in miami beach. joining me now is the mayor. great to see you. let's talk about that change in position. what changed between yesterday, when you were not confirming there were cases of zika and your press conference this afternoon. >> thank you, joy. it's unfortunate. you know what changed?
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the information from the governor. so sad that this governor is withholding life-saving information and playing politics with it. it wasn't just myself, it was the county mayor. none of us were able to get information from the governor or the florida department of health, because they were not communi communicating with the media, the government or elected officials. so when he came out to score political points, it was the first time we got confirmation that there were five cases linked with miami beach. we hope the governor will change his posture, get the information out, because it's something we need to know, we need it timely, we need to beat it, and we need the information. >> how would it be that the mayor of the city would not be able to find out before the governor of the state, who is all the way out in tallahassee that there were local cases of zika. don't the hospitals in your area report those up?
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isn't local government entitled to know directly? >> you would think so. but the way it works, when you get contracted with zika, it's not necessarily that you are hospitalized. you may not even know that you have it. what happens is, the florida department of health is the one that handles this. they do testing, they work with the cdc to find out what is going on. and i agree with you, you would think that the governor and the florida department of health would be in complete contact with local officials, but this governor is playing politics. zika is not republican or democrat, it affects all of us. so i hope the governor's watching tonight. because we want to make sure he understands the message loud and clear, let's not play politics, with this very important issue. for us, we want to maintain and make sure the people of miami beach, the residents, the visitors, are safe and healthy. that's our number one goal and it's going to continue to be. >> just to reiterate one more time, i think the concern a lot of people have, if the local official of a major tourist destination like miami beach
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would not want to admit there was a problem, it might keep tourists away. are you saying that was not a consideration in your saying initially those cases did not exist? >> absolutely not. last night when we did a press conference, the only information we got, was that there are two unconfirmed cases that may have links to miami beach. now, what we can't do, we can't say things that we don't know are true. unless we get confirmation from the governor, the florida department of health, who reports to the governor in tallahassee, we cannot come out and say things that we don't know are true. today, we got confirmation, during the governor's press conference. which is a shame. we've been working on this for a long time. january, june, everything. we're making sure our city is clean. >> thank you very much. i'm sorry. we are out of time. but thank you for clarifying. >> anytime. thank you. coming up, can trump's campaign shake-up help him gain any ground with women voters? we'll talk about that just after the break.
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>> you've called women you don't like fat pigs, dogs, slobs, and disgusting animals. does that sound to you like the temperament of a man we should elect as president? >> i think the big problem this country has is being politically correct. i've been -- i've been challenged by so many people and i don't frankly have time for total, political correctness. >> we don't have time to list all the insults donald trump has
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hurled at women throughout the years. when called out on it in that very first republican debate last august, trump decided that instead of expressing remorse over language used in the past, he'd just go after megyn kelly, suggesting she had blood coming out of her wherever. trump hasn't done a lot to earn women's support since then. he's even mused that if his daughter were sexually harassed at work, she should find another company to work for. trump is losing by 12 points nationally in the latest ucla day break poll. but now after elevating kellyanne conway to the role of campaign manager, he seems to be softening his approach. even offering regret over unspecified offensive comments. today she said he advocated the expression of those regrets. >> that's all him.
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he took extra time yesterday going over that speech with a pen. that was a decision he made. those are his words, and i hope that everybody who has criticized him at some point, david, for being insensitive or mocking someone, at least shows some recognition and some forgiveness. >> joining me now, joan walsh and susan del percio. thank you both for being here on a friday. >> thank you. >> the strategy of kellyanne conway obviously is to try to do the softer donald trump. but doesn't he have to then get specific? once you say, i have regrets, the natural question, i tried with congressman jack kingston, didn't get anywhere, is that you need to be specific ap as a strategist, do you think he should be specific, specifically with the things he's said about women? >> i don't think he has to do that right now. what he needs to focus on is getting back the women, the republican women that he had around the time of the convention when its numbers went up. i think they're facing a two-part strategy. the first is, what do we do
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before labor day? we get our republican numbers from the 70s up into the low 90s. that's the first thing, that upon help close the gap. then they have to -- i hate to use this word -- pivot, then they have to move into how to attract more independent voters and more women voters, and that is going to be -- >> how will they do that? because what they're doing, joan, you're now seeing the new phase of the trump campaign, 3.0, or whatever it is, going after hillary clinton's health. a woman who they are essentially taking ageist and gendered attacks on where is hillary sleeping, trump is tweeting. their current attack right now is that hillary is this unhealthy woman who can't sit up without pillows. does that help? >> no, it doesn't help at all. i don't know what you're seeing on social media, but one of the main means or whatever is that she's incontinent. i hate to say that --
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>> the hillary stools hash tag. >> and other things. catheters, somebody showed me where her catheter is. this is a really ugly, dark depth plunging that they're going to. but i do want to say, just for a moment, i do give kellyanne conway some respect. i think she's done better than anybody else. kept him on message for two days. she's also got him doing a mediocre imitation of somebody who knows the feeling of compassion and has common sense. he's trying to imitate something like that, because he's not that. but i do think she's the trump whisperer. at least for now. the question is, how long that lasts. and i didn't disagree with you, i don't think he can get away with never -- with not apologizing in some fashion to the khans. let's just take the khans and leave aside women. >> i would argue that the comments with the khans hurt him more among women than anything else that he said about women. i actually think that was worse
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for him with women. >> right. >> so then should he specifically apologize to the khan family? because it seems to me, when you put out a generic apology, what you do is invite people to relitigate the things that you said that were offensive and ask you if you should apologize to this. democrats aren't going to pretend he never said certain things and be forgiving. >> here's the thing. it's august 19th. there's a lot of time to be had. it's not in his nature, he won't go back and relitigate and say, i'm sorry for this and i'm sorry i said that. what he's going to have to do is look forward and say, how can he take some of the sharpness off the edges, when he talks about terrorism, when he talks about the economy. during the primary, he was rough and tumble and offensive to a lot of women. he's got to clean that up, how toe talks about the issue. and the issue of hillary clinton's health is absurd. i was very pleased to see last night on chris matthews, that
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kellyanne conway basically said, we cannot -- that's not an issue i want to have out there. >> you think he'll want that back? >> yes. >> on the issue of softening the tone, he released a campaign ad, and it was anything but soft. it looked like america would be an armed camp under donald trump. does that help him with women? >> i don't think it does. i think they think if they scare women, they'll scare him back into his camp. it lies about hillary clinton, she's not for open borders. i don't think it did anything positive. >> i think it did for republican women. i think it was targeted to getting some of the republican women who have felt he's been off of the rails for the last three weeks and need to get them back in his column. need to get the numbers up. it's the only chance they have post labor day of having a tightened poll, so hillary clinton doesn't run away with it. >> i want to show you, because what's going to happen, it's not as if the other side will lay
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down. let me show you the priorities usa ad. i think you will see this come back again, no matter what trump tries to do, people will remind him and his supporters of these things. this is the priorities usa ad about women and donald trump. >> you know, you could see there was blood coming out of her eyes, blood coming out of her wherever. >> ask she have a good body? no. does she have a fat ass? absolutely. >> if ivanka weren't my daughter, perhaps i'd be dating her. >> i view a person who is flat-chested as very hard to be a ten. >> and you can tell them to go [ bleep ] themselves. >> does donald trump really speak for you? priorities usa action is responsible for the contend of this advising. >> is there anything donald trump can do to counter that? >> that's the biggest thing he has going against him. when you can use someone's own words against them, that's it. >> that's powerful. >> it's really powerful. >> and it's going to be difficult for him to get away from it, because he said those
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things. they have his voice on the tape. joan walsh, susan del percio, thank you both. that's "all in" this evening. i'll be back tomorrow morning at 10:00 a.m. eastern. the rachel maddow show starts now. how are you? happy friday, my friend. >> happy friday, you get a reprieve from the 11:00 p.m. eastern return just so you can get enough sleep to be back here at 10:00 a.m. eastern tomorrow. >> but i could have done it, if they'd given me cocktails. >> you know where my office is. you know what i keep in that giant chest that looks like it's a work related thing behind my desk. >> oh, i do. have a great show. >> wash the glasses when you're done. >> thank you. >> thank you. and thanks to you at home for joining us. it's a happy friday. nice to have you here. here's an american entrepreneur story that's quite remarkable. really, somebody who changed the world. self-made zillion air. after world war ii, young american man,wn

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