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westbrook, maine. there might be a 12 foot an canadcan con da. -- anaconda. they have anaconda's. it's not getting a visit from paul lepage he's continuing his public melt down. he had planned to visit westbrook tomorrow, the home of democratic legislature he called and swore at and threatened. the paul lepage's threatening visit is cancelled for tomorrow. but westbrook's anaconda's problem is still present and accounted for. sleep tight. now it's time for "the last word" with lawrence o'donnel. >> here is another way for you to keep the image of 12 feet in your head. it is two mes. it's just two of me, that's
12 feet. >> two of you stacked on top of each other. >> it is me standing on top of my head. >> i'm not scared of snakes and i can't do this story. >> i can almost see the hairs on the back of your neck here, thank you rachel. >> appreciate it. it was election night in florida and arizona, marco rubio, all face primary opponents tonight. also tonight donald trump will be speaking at a rally in washington state, that's during this hour. he is definitely going to lose washington state, as the republican candidate for president usual does, and the latest polls show him way behind hillary clinton there. and tomorrow, tomorrow could be a huge day in the trump campaign. because donald trump might be adding something very surprising to his already, almost busy schedule, a quick trip to mexico. >> donald trump's not softening
his position on immigration. >> there certainly can be a softening. >> he wasn't is softening on. >> why doesn't deportation force is part of his immigration policy, is it or is it not? >> it is part of it. >> we're going to have a deportation force. >> is that accurate? >> i think yo u have to go back to mr. trump's speech and see there's no deportation force mentioned in there. >> i don't think he understood what a deportation force was. >> all of the bad dudes, they're out. >> is there any circumstance where at the end of a trump presidency, any of those 11 million could still remain in the united states. >> you have to listen to the speech tomorrow to find out. >> his position is going to be humane. >> i don't think it's good sign when candidate is talking about undocumented immigrants the same way kfc talks about chickens. we'll do it humanely, they won't feel a thing. >> this is "the last word on
campaign 2016." nixon went to china and now trump is going to mexico, maybe. no one would have expected a hard line, anticommunist or republican to be the first american president to go to china. but then richard nixon surprised the world by doing that. and no one would have expected the most hardline antimexico, antimexican presidential candidate to go to mexico, until washington post report tonight reveal that the trump campaign has been planning a possible quick trip to mexico tomorrow for the last few days. mexico's president has invited presidential candidate's hillary clinton and donald trump to visit mexico, according to the washington post, the trump campaign ceo steven bannon has been urging post to accept. the washington post says that trump "has been navigating a flood of conflicting advice on going to mexico and on his
immigration policy" which donald trump is expected to clarify tomorrow night in a major speech in arizona. so, if the washington post is correct, donald trump will begin his day tomorrow with fund-raising in california in the morning, then hop down to mexico city to visit the president and then fly back to arizona for his big immigration speech there tomorrow night, where we will finally know whether donald trump really wants to deport 11 million people. does he still want that or maybe we won't know any more than we know right now. >> you're going to see a lot more detail, you'll see the fundamental prips pls we have to do. we to have to let ice do their jobs. i mean, some of this isn't rocket science. we have to have baby steps first. >> well, none of it is rocket
science. donald trump has not yet scheduled a speech about rocket science, but apparently he has scheduled a speech about baby steps. and that is the speech he will give tomorrow night. >> that's been the same, correct. you have to start with baby steps. you have to let ice do their job. you have to eliminate sanctuary cities you have to get rid of criminals and secure the border. these are common sense things. >> according to donald trump, jr. deport all 11 million has been let's just take baby steps, baby steps is an amazing phrase to hear coming from the trump campaign. baby steps, it sounds like something donald trump would accuse the obama administration of doing with deportation, even though the obama administration has deported more people than any other, but one prominent trump support, apparently,
hasn't gotten the "baby steps" memo. >> why doesn't the campaign know yet whether a deportation force is part of his immigration policy, is it or is it not? >> it is part of. we're going to learn more wednesday. >> and here is the way the trump campaign manager today said that donald trump will completely reverse himself tomorrow on having a deportation force to deport 11 million people. >> imagine what happens if people actually enforce a law, if you have a president who worked with congress, department go around executive amnesty in this very complex issue, but actually worked with congress and worked with the law enforcement agencies, immigration officials. we, as taxpayers, we fund a bunch of agencies and individuals who are tasked with enforcing the law and it simply has not been done. let's at least do it and see
where we end up. >> so no mass hiring of deportation force, and no attempt, at all, to deport 11 million people. so if you combine kellyann conway's comments today with donald trump, jr.'s comments, what you can expect tomorrow night from donald trump is, and force current law in baby steps. joining us now, howard dean, former governor from vermont, hillary clinton supporter. he's also an msnbc political analyst, also with us charlie sooiks and the editor and chief of right wisconsin. joining us columnist page. howard dean, what do you make of this late breaking report of donald trump might just jump down to mexico city tomorrow. >> i think it's a major mistake on the part of the mexican president. first of all, he's not going to look so great to his own country, people, inviting down probably the biggest
antihispanic bigot in the country. and second of all, it's going to -- i don't think he has this intention. it's going to look like it's interfering with american politics. so i'm surprised that the president of mexico would take such a meeting and i think it's a mistake on his part. >> there's a report now president of mexico saying at the moment, there is no confirmation of meetings at this point. and clarence page, that's quoting the mexican president. is this a smart move for donald trump or does he run the risk of having the mexican president tomorrow publicly say we will never pay for your wall. >> we know donald trump loves the risk and he loves to negotiate. i think he smells the possibility of a deal of some sort, it's hard to believe it would be that -- much of a come presen zif deal. i'll have to more question of trump reacting to flattery,
which he loves to do once again and he feels flattered that the president of mexico wants to talk to hem. the whole thing sounds very vague. i'll be surprised if he comes off tomorrow. i met with previous mexican president and the notion of having a meeting put together this hastingly sounds very understand to me. >> let's start off with one saying, he will not pay for a wall. >> mexico is going to pay for this wall you have just said you're opposed to. >> that's a concern, we would never consider that. >> the washington post indicates that steve bannon is the one pushing this jd within the trump campaign. is he willing to go down there and have the mexico of mexico say, we will not pay for that wall. >> what could possibly go wrong,
right, you're talking about the mexican president, who in the past has compared donald trump to hitler, so you would think the people who are not steve ban nonwill be pointing out there was a, you know, a little bit of risk involved. i think i'll be a bigger number of popcorn for the next 24 hours. >> here is the quote the bbc had from president of mexico and said in an interview with the mexican daily here, he called mr. trump's rhetoric and he added that -- that's how he ghot in. that's how hitler got in. the washington report is that the mexico president invieded boeft donald trump and kril ri clin toin, extended them viz stations to come and visit with him and this is what he's considering acting on. >> that may be true. that's why i think it's a miake on the part of the
president. you, obviously, want good relationships with the united states if you're the mexican president, and it's important for the united states point of view, very good relationship with mexico. the longest border, other than canada, is that we have. i think he was being hospitalble and hope hillary was going to take him up on it but he wouldn't. trump has essentially going to a point of view because -- i i've got to get some popcorn for this. nothing trump does is not a spectacle and i just wouldn't get mixed up with this if i'm the acting president. >> i think we ought to remember that, if you actually had some something that new something about foreign policy they would take it inside this is a really bad kbrd. can you just imagine, for for
example, if marco rubio was the republican nominee and he was headed off to mexico. can you imagine what the trump can be right now. the one thing does not be accused of. he doesn't want to be accused of pandering. he doesn't want to be accused of being squishy. he zunt want to be accused of flip flopping, there are so many down sides you would think somebody with a little more savvy with steve ban nonwill be able to thoert that line people are saying is that he is continuing to softening. we heard from donald trump, jr., we heard from kelly dn ann con way, nothing about deportation sfors. they're talking about baby steps, that's the language of the trump campaign on this, which has to be disappointing to his hard line supporters who cared very much about deporting all of those features. if he gives a speech tomorrow night and that's without baby
steps and extends the softening into formalized trump policy, he gives that speech after having visit with the mexican president. how crushing would that be to his early hard line supporters who really were with him because of that wall and because the deporting of 11 million people. we were thinking about others who made the development. i know this is -- to hear the trump folks talk about baby anything, anything small, he always speaks in exaggerations and superlatives. i think something, here yesterday that was interesting. his supporters -- no, from supporters, those don't expect them to come across with everything he promises, the solid wall and all the other deportation force, all of who -- this elaborate measures.
but he's going in the right direction as far as they're concerned. that's their big issue, that they feel the current, the certain administration hasn't been moving they want to move in the direction they life. then they'll be satisfied. you know, so far donald trump his not been able to expand his base here in the recent weeks. he's been moving up and down in the polls with the margin of error. he doesn't really expand that base and i don't know that this is going to do it for him. the president of mexico, the president's office has issued this clarify statement just now, saying last friday the president sent invitations to both candidates which were yelled received by both of the team's cam pain, there is no confirmation of meeings at this point. and so there we have it the official communication from where they stands.
howard, so we now have this clarification formerly from the president of -- >> sorry. >> about this possibility. >> my ear piece went blank for a second. >> this leaves open the possibility by donald trump trip followed by hillary clinton trump. >> i'm guessing that the donald trump trip doesn't happen because, you know, the mexican embassy watches msnbc, i'm fairly sure. and i think they probably hadn't thought through the possibility of having the president of the united states of mexico become part of the show that is the donald trump cap paimpaign. you cannot have a meeting with donald trump and emerge from it indignity. i think they'll find a way not to have this meeting. >> clarence page, howard done, thanks for reporting us tonight. >> coming up, so what did donald trump get for his contribution
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we are watching the donald trump rally in everett, washington tonight. we will go to that if anything develops. donald trump will be speaking within this hour. big election night in florida and arizona tonight, primaries there, the polls just closed in arizona where john mccain is running in the republican
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got it documented. >> we're still waiting for the trump press conference where she'll explain when her career in the united states began and when it began legally, and if it began legally as a model right from the beginning, that would make her one of the great exceptions in the modeling business here in new york where so many foreign models come and worked illegally until and unless they are lucky enough to establish themselves as valuable assets to a modeling agency that will then help them get visas to work. modeling agency like say trump model management. new investigative piece reveals donald trump's agency has deliberately employed models who came to the united states illegally and continued to work illegally for trump agency in new york. canadian model rachel blakes
told mother jones that the trump agency, is the most crooked agency i've ever worked for and i've worked for quite a few. other trump agency houses young foreign girls, most of them under 18, in crowded apartments in new york, some of them, where they are wildly overcharged for rent by the trump agency to the point that some of them never actually see the dollar of income from their work. the trump agency keeps it all to pay the models' so-called debts to the agency for rent for the apartments and other services. donald trump, the candidate, is not opposed to a visa program that he has repeatedly used to get visas for foreign models that the trump agency chose to get it for. here is donald trump's stance now on the h-1 b program.
>> i will end for the use of the h-1 b as a cheap labor program and institute an absolute requirement to hire american workers first every visa and immigration program and no exceptions. >> he gave anthony weiner the maximum contribution he could give. that was the same year that would make it easier for fashion models to obtain work visas, a bill the congress wisely, completely ignored as was its out for legislation introduced by anthony weiner, joining us now, msnbc, mother jones had big story of the day here, on the eve of donald trump's big immigration speech, here you're showing one of his businesses, very actively and continuously
engaged of immigration law. >> i have to give a shout out who tracked not one, but three different models and found legal record from another model that all show that they came to new york city, we're going to live out the -- women outside of the united states, on tourist mirk. he you're not allowed to work. working is a violation of all laws and the employer and herself, the agency can be fined and go to jail as well for making people work. yet, this is what happened, yes you noted earlier. but we found very, very solid examples in this happening with the trump model management agency and, you know, here is donald trump saying that, hey, you know, i want to do
something, these people, you know, i don't like illegal immigrants coming in here and taking jobs. it's the sort of thing you see with him making clothing overseas. hiring not american labor down in florida, again and again and again this is a guy who has never lived by some of the core elements of his own presidential campaign. >> you get into real specifics in this piece about the financial exploitation of the models, whether here legally or illegally and most of them in the story illegally, charging $1,600 a month for a bunk, just to have a bunk in a room in an apartment with four other girls and these are girls as young as 14, 15, some of them. and in that same neighborhood, an actual entire studio apartment would rent for less than the 1,600 that each one of these girls had to pay in one of these rooms.
now, all modeling agencies they're, you know, their business plan is to make money off the women or young girls who they bring in to do jobs for them. but it seems that the trump agency, and some others, really make it an art form by overcharging them, charging them other fees as well. for trainers, beauticians, make up people stylists and they all hold that against the wages they make. we have a model who worked, you know, for trump agency for a couple of years and in the end of all of that, she did some shoots for some very splashy fashion magazines and we needed some high-end fashion designers and she walked away with 8,000 bucks. it seems to have been a racket from the get-go, an interesting piece of a story that james west found was that the trump agency would tell these women what to say in order to deceive u.s. customs. when you come in, say you're
here to visit your aunt, say you're here for any other reason except making connections in the modeling world, and, in fact, if you have a portfolio and even like that, ship it separate, they knew what they were doing. they knew they were trying to get these women and young girls to circumvent u.s. law so they can then make a profit off them. >> thank you very much for joining us. >> thank you, lawrence. >> coming up, the polling gap is now narrowing between hillary clinton and donald trump, we'll take a closer look at those polls on campaign war room and we'll have the results in primary election in florida and arizona, including john mccain's re-election race. elief often leads to places like... this... this... or this. today, there's a new option. introducing drug-free aleve direct therapy. a tens device with high intensity power that uses technology once only available in doctors' offices. its wireless remote lets you control the intensity, and helps you get back to things like...
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the clinton and trump war rooms are seeing a tightening on the latest polls, it shows hillary clinton four points ahead of donald trump. earlier this month, the same poll showed hillary clinton six points ahead at 44 to 38%. that's actually a change within the margin of error on that poll, it actually might not be any change at all. the latest monmouth national poll shows hillary four aahead. earlier this month it showed 13
points ahead at 50 to 37. this afternoon the trump campaign manager said this about the polls in an interview with steve. >> the media doesn't want to cover what's really happening in this campaign, now the polls are tightening, two weeks ago they were obsessed with hair on fire, the race is over. now that the polls are tightening, nobody wants to talk about the polls. >> and now to talk about the polls in the last word war room, tim miller a senior advisor and veteran of the jeb bush war room, also with us, liz smith veteran martin o'malley. liz what do you see in these polls. >> frankly, not much, look, i know that there's a trend in this cycle bragging about polls, you have to realize that the
landscape. they're losing every, you know, every national poll out there. and look at it compared to 2012, barack obama won that election pretty handedly. this is a campaign that's pretty desperate and they're anxious to hang their hat on anything they can find and they're hanging on to that. >> tim miller, the polls that matter at this point are the swing state polls. >> absolutely. it's a conservative outlet that looks athe swing state math. he needs to win, florida, ohio and pennsylvania all four of them, he's getting in killed in pennsylvania right now and losing, pretty handedly in all of those other states while
they're a little bit more competitive. it's impossible to see a path to them. kel kellyanne is not stupid. she's a pollster and sees the reality and trying to spin the best she has to work with and it's not working. >> this is a campaign that said they're going to expand the mat. >> apparently, tim miller and donald trump is going to expand the campaign map to mexico tomorrow. he just tweeted has accepted the mexican's president invitation to go to mexico tomorrow, so that's going to be his biggest travel day yet of the campaign.
>> i don't understand what the purpose is of tomorrow's trip to mexico city. i'm dpoik to do everything i can to get the media talk about me. it worked in a 17-person field he blocked out the sun for a lot of these other candidates and that media domination strategy was smart and he deserves credit for it. in a one on one general election, this isn't going to work at all, you know, one of his main problems is the fact that he's doing horribly with hispanic voters, worse than mitt romney, and romney did not do well, one of the main reasons he lost in '12. trump is doing worse. i can't imagine what he's going to do in mexico city, my opinion is he'll turn them off even more. >> there was a big struggle in the trump war room about this
mexico invitation with advice going into donald trump on both ways go, don't go, apparently the go to mexico advice won in that war room. what do you suppose that the strategic thinking is on the trump side of going to mexico tomorrow. >> he's got him out of the death spiral he was in earlier this summer. so he needs to do something dramatic to win. i think he's going to try to go down there and grand stand and make a splash. but once candidates have done that, look at mitt romney's trip overseas. it was unmitigated disaster for him. when donald trump was over in scotland, they went and praising the brexit vote, again, not a great moment for them. i don't think it will pay off for him. >> we know that donald trump believes that he can charm anyone, all he has to do is shake that person's hands and be in their actual presence.
>> he thinks he can win over any room, you know, this has been one of his big issues with african-american voters the apprentice when he was in the space as an entertainer, he was pretty popular with african-american viewers, the problem is as soon as he came into the campaign, all of his positions are not with minorities, hispanics, asians, he does not understand that he can -- he thinks he can do it with his charm, and he can't. >> tim and liz, for now we'll listen to donald trump and see if he mentions this trip to mexico. >> thank you everybody.
thank you. i am thrilled to be back in washington, state of washington, great, great, great people, thank you very much. i want to thank -- i want to thank, if i could, because they work so hard and outside right now they have over 8,000 people trying to get out and we set the record. i don't know how old this building is, but it's not brand new. and we set the record for attendance tonight. so i just want to thank you. i want to thank suzanne hutchinson who is in the audience. she's done a great job. brian danzel, he's over there some sm place. i want to thank senator benton. >> i want to take a break while
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he just announced he'll visit mexico tomorrow. but he has not yet mentioned that from the podium. >> millions of workers on the sidelines will be returned to the work force. they've been taken out -- they are going to return and they're going to return quickly, believe me. crumbling roads and bridges in airports will be replaced with the infrastructure our country needs and deserves. our infrastructure is going to hell. frankly, i hate to say it, our country is going to hell. and we're not going to let it
happen. [ applause ] families trapped in welfare, will be provided with jobs and opportunity. government will become lean and mean, except, it will have a big fat beautiful heart. we will have an effective government, a responsible and honest government for a change our border will be protected. our children will be safe. people don't talk about the inner cities, but i'm talking about the inner cities, they
don't talk about the inner cities. the democrats have taken advantage of african-americans. they take their vote, they win the election and then they say, see you in four years, thanks a lot. >> the president of mexico has now officially tweeted that donald trump will be meeting tomorrow. president of mexico's tweet says that donald trump has accepted the invitation and will meet tomorrow in private with the president. we're rejoined now by howard dean and david coin. howard dean we speculated earlier when you were on that this might happen because all we had at that time was a washington post report indicating it might happen. we now have confirmation from donald trump and the president of mexico that they'll be meeting tomorrow in mexico. what are you expecting from
that. >> i know it's the toughest question i've ever asked you. >> i suspect president of mexico will go out to his folks and tell everybody what a jerk donald trump is because what he's going to say, the guy has insulted 100 million people living south of the border, they can't suddenly say this guy is a reasonable guy. that's what i suspect. maybe it's mutually beneficial to both people. i think -- i think the part of the president of mexico's part, you know, they have a saying about politics, is if you get in a mud wrestling match with a pig, everybody gets dirty and the pig likes it. that's kind of what this meeting is about, i think the president of mexico has made a big mistake. >> he can be polished and careful and diplomatic man and he certainly sounded like that many times in talking about donald trump and talking about
the presidential election here and saying that, of course, mexico will, as always, work as positively as possible with the next president. so from the mexican president's perspecti perspective, we might just see the kind of thing we've seen with him frequently in terms of highly public visits of people coming to mexico. >> i think there's a way he may bet the better of donald trump. it's hard to be a bully to someone when you're up close and personal with them. >> will trump be able to do this when he's setting next to the president of mexico. we may see some photos of trump eating mexican foot. we've seen that already. he'll ask trump if trump saw trump taking this trip, do you have a commitment from mexico to pay for the wall?
if not, the trip is lame. i mean, so by his own standards what is trump going to achieve o other than to show he can get on the plane and go there. >> is he going to tell them to stop sending their rapist. that mexico sends criminals and sends rapists and it is a deliberate action by mexico in the mexican government to do that. >> i suspect the mexican press is not going to take a strong view of this meeting. and i think this, again, the president is going to be sorry that he did this because domestic consumption is not going to go well. i mean, i would like to think
that david is right. but trump is pretty agile and, you know, he usually makes his events all about himself and that -- >> all right. >> -- donald trump is now talking, let's listen and see what he says. >> instead of providing health care and jobs to millions of refugees from around the world, we should rebuild our inner cities and provide jobs to struggling americans that have been struggling for years and years. [ applause ] >> thank you. >> i'm asking for the vote of every african-american and hispanic citizen in this country who wants to see a real positive
the democratic policies have produced joblessness, failing schools, broken homes and rising crime. and it's only getting worse. they don't care about you, remember that. they don't care about you. they want your vote and they don't care. they've used you for decades and decaanes and they will continue to use you, nearly four in ten african-american children live in poverty, think of that, four in ten are living in poverty. this includes 45% under the age of 10. 58% of african-american youth are not working, meanwhile another 2 million hispanic
americans -- >> katie who is at this trump event in everett, washington. katie what more do we know about donald trump's trip to mexico tomorrow. >> we know that this is just coming together in the past few hours, reports of the conversation started over the weekend, but it didn't leak p to the press about an hour and a half ago. since then he's tweeted he will be going to mexico tomorrow to meet with the mexican president and the official campaign, or official presidency twitter account down in mexico confirming that they will happen. also confirming that they extend invitation to both hillary clinton and donald trump and that donald trump accepted. this is a hastily put together trip, certainly, a usually these sorts of things take a few weeks to get underway because of all the security concerns or reports that there are some significant security concerns when it comes to donald trump, especially if he's going to be in any public
place. we do know now that this is going to be a private meeting, of course, donald trump's relationship has been the subject of controversy since day one of his campaign when he announced his candidacy of saying some mexican undocumented immigrants are rapist and criminals that mexico was sending them over the border. as we all know, he said that mexico will pay for the wall between america and mexico. mexico flatly denying that will happen. so this is certainly a very interesting development to have donald trump go down there and discuss relations directly with the mexican president, this comes on a day that he will be giving a clarification on his immigration policy speech, his campaign manager, kellyanne conway that this will be the most forcible speech. they're being addiment, that
there are going to be sanctuary cities. this is after a bit -- or lack of clarity on that swubt, now, for the last week. donald trump seeing me to open the door to path of legalization with a town hall last week, turning around the next night and saying there would be no such pack. the documented immigrants will have to leave the country and come back in to reapply for a legal status here. so what will result from this meeting, we'll have to wait and see whether this results in donald trump's softening his towards mexico or hardening it. we're going to find out tomorrow when donald trump takes the stage and deliver his immigration remarks. >> katie, the trump campaign has to anticipate the president saying tomorrow both to donald trump and publicly that mexico will never pay for donald trump's wall. what is the trump campaign -- how do they anticipate dealing with that? >> it's unclear how they're
going to do with that. all i can tell you in the past when philipe or fox said this wall will not be paid for by mexico. donald trump has responded by saying the wall, just got ten feet higher. they've been openly antagonist to the idea that she's refusing to pay for the wall. they haven't been clear on how they would get mexico to pay for such a wall, how it would benefit them as well for the united states, when they first laid out his immigration policy last year and the early fall of last year, they said it would be paid through vis saws, then they were going to raise the prices on visas for immigrants coming into this country and that, in turn, will help with building the cost of the building the wall and that's how they'll pay for the wall. the round about way of getting that done. if the president comes out
tomorrow and the president says there's no way they'll be going to pay for this wall. i'm not sure whether the campaign will respond to that and whether that will be detrimental in any way to his base of support. >> thank you very much for joining us tonight. i really appreciate it. david corn, howard dean, back with us. >> obviously the president of mexico has the own politics to meet with when meeting with donald trump tomorrow. certainly, he's going to need to appear forceful in opposition to donald trump's politics as well. >> he obviously sees it an interest, the president of mexico, in calling donald trump whom -- like calling the great say tin of mexico.
they're making him come down and see him and then come out of the meeting and be able to describe it any way he wants to -- since it's going to be a private meeting, to show and look how powerful i am, i've got this big blow hard from the north to come down and see me. so i assume that had him become president of mexico, knows what he's doing from his own perspective. the interesting thing, this is where howard and i have been talking about earlier tonight, is to what, you know, who will get the best of whom in this very frot situation. if donald trump sits down with the president of mexico. well, this is the other is idea. how are you, sat around him for some period of time with his advisors thinking about this and strategying this before issuing these invitations, he knew what his about tif would be in a meeting with donald trump. and so he's certainly had time
to think about what he wants to do tomorrow. i've got to believe when he and his folks sat around doing this the last thing they thought would happen is, yes, given his rhetoric about other latinos. i think he was hoping that hillary wanted to see him. it enhanced it. i think the last thing they thought donald trump was going to accept it and what are they going to do. >> there's one interesting thing about donald trump, he judges people by what they think of im. >> exactly. >> that's why he's a big fan of putin because he said something nice about him. the president of mexico paying him some respect and while i'm sure grieving with a kor dual but not respectful way and i wonder how donald trump will be with that, will it be sub deuced bhi the president of mexico when we come out and hammer him in a
way a lot of members of his base would like to see. one of the things donald trump craves is being taken seriously. and in this instance, the president of mexico is giving him what he craves. he's taking him seriously. he's treating him in terms of this administration, he's treating him as equal. and howard dean, it could be that the president of mexico wins this charm exchange between them and the softening that donald trump has been experiencing on immigration policy, gets even softer after meeting with the president of mexico. >> trump, if he's going to have any serious chance of winning this election, has gotten to soften his policy any way. he's come up and claimed he's got all kind of conceptions back to the mexico of mexico, that's his excuse is we've discussed this before, he has zero chance
of getting significant numbers of any other minority in the group voting for him. they're not going to forget what he said about them for a year, which has been the most scorching rhetoric i've heard in my lifetime, other than the segregation back in the 50s. you know, i did some scratching my head, i had been for a long time. you know, the thing that -- i think we can expect or we can predict with some guarantee here, whatever happens in mexico, it will probably step on the beach. i don't think you can do these two things at once. it will certainly be part of the speech he gives tomorrow night, maybe. >> david, i mean -- >> how can you not. >> who knows, how it won't effect that speech. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> let's said so fast, isn't it, about the whole race, you're giving him 20 minutes of time. nobody has any idea of what this guy is going to do next and it
makes for great tv. >> thanks for joining us tonight. our breaking news coverage of donald trump's trip to mexico tomorrow and his speech tonight continues live now trump's trip to mexico tomorrow and speech tonight continues live now with chris hayes. hey. >> good to see you, lauren, thank you very much. i'm chris hayes, still, as i was hours ago. to reset the breaking news, moments ago before taking the stage tonight, trump tweeting, quote, i have accepted the invitation of the president of mexico and look forward to meeting him tomorrow. immediately afterwards, he tweeted the confirmation he's meeting tomorrow with trump in private. the visit is expected to come before the big immigration speech tomorrow where trump is expected to clarify where whether he seeks to deport millions ofeople from mexico and other places who now live in