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he was not actually qualified in rhode island, but now he's got those last 71 signatures qualified. and he'll be on the ballot in all 50 states. that makes the first third party candidate to pull that off since ross perot. he is not polling high enough to maybe the first presidential debate, but why focus on that, at least he made the ballot, baby steps. that does it for us tonight, we'll see you again monday. now it's time for "the last word", with lawrence o'donnell. well, it was a historic day in washington today, donald trump retracted a lie. he actually did that. and later in this program, we will consider what would happen
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if donald trump kept up this pace and retracted one lie per day. for the rest of his life. but first we'll consider the campaign die nynamics of donald trump finally deciding to tell the truth about barack obama's birth while throwing in a couple lies about hillary clinton. >> barack obama was born in the united states, period. >> all right. >> look, this is, this is pathetic. >> i was pretty confident about where i was born. i think most people were as well. >> hillary clinton started the birther controversy. >> out-and-out lie. >> i finished it. i finished it. you know what i mean. >> he's a great patriot for doing that. he deserves a lot of credit. come on. >> for five years, he has led the birther movement to delegitimize our first black
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president. >> why doesn't he show his birth certificate? and you know what? i wish he would. i'm smatarting to wonder myself whether he was born in this country. >> donald trump is a, and rater, a liar, i believe he's a bully. >> i have some real doubts. i have people that actually have been studying, and they cannot believe what they're finding. >> the presidency doesn't change who you are, it reveals who you are. and the same thing is true of a presidential campaign. >> and this, you can see this. >> this is the last word on campaign 2016. >> that wall of curtain fell down today in the new trump hotel in washington, d.c. which got its first paying customer for one of the function rooms where the curtain fell down. the trump campaign rented one of the rooms for an appearance by
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donald trump. so donald trump's contributors today paid donald trump to rent the room for donald trump to stand up in front of microphones and say this. >> hillary clinton and her campaign of 2008 started the birther controversy. i finished it. i finished it. you know what i mean. president barack obama was born in the united states, period. now we all want to get back to making america strong and great again. thank you. thank you very much. thank you. >> had to tell a couple of lies while retracting one lie.
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donald trump of course refused to take any questions after retracting his five years of non-stop lying about president obama's birth. david fahrenthold of the washington post was there and yelled a question about trump's charitable contributions. david fahrenthold is pursuing the $5 million that donald trump once promised to donate if president obama could prove he was born in hawaii. now that donald trump says he accepts that proof, he owes $5 million to charity, $5 million that according to david fahrenthold's reporting thus far, donald trump will never contribute to charity, because donald trump no longer contributes to charity. he hasn't done that in years. the trump campaign strategy today was to get rid of a problem, not create a problem. trump campaign believed that all they needed was for donald trump to say president obama was born in the united states and then they could go on with the
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campaign and especially the debates, without ever again having to deal with donald trump's lies about president obama's birth. it is now up to the debate moderators to decide whether the trump campaign trick today worked. it is up to them. will they ask donald trump why it took him five years to accept the validity of barack obama's birth certificate, and why didn't he accept the validity of the short-form birth certificate that was released in 2008? will the debate moderators simply let it slide, that donald trump lied about this? >> i have people that actually have been studying it, and they cannot believe what they're finding. >> you have people now, down there searching? >> absolutely. and they cannot believe what they're finding. >> donald trump needs to be asked at the debates, what did those people find? that they could not believe?
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he need the to be asked the names of those people. he needs to be asked, did those people really exist? or are they imaginary trump people, like the thousands of people donald trump lied about seeing on 9/11 in new jersey, cheering at the collapse of the twin towers. the trump campaign's trick today to try to put the foundation foundational lie of the trump candidacy behind them should only encourage the media and especially the debate moderators to try to continue to rip away the wall of lies that donald trump's campaign is built on. it took five years, five years for the political media to finally crack through donald trump's first big political lie of his career. the political media now has only
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52 days to crack through the rest. joining us now, mark thompson, host of "make a claim", on sirius xm radio. also with us, rick wilson, republican strategist and contributor to "heat street." he is an adviser to evan mcmullin. we've waited a long time for this moment, this fact that all the rest of us knew from for many, many years now, we waited for donald trump to admit the truth of it. this is how long it took. and this is how he did it. your reaction? >> pure theater. thanks for having me, lawrence. pure theater on the part of donald trump, and, you know, he bragged about how i finihe finit and you know what i mean. still, very, very disturbing. what donald trump did was attack the president, all citizens, african-americans. what he said today is not enough. he needs to apologize to
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president obama and the american people for trying to relitigate the 14th amendment, for reminding us all how we've been discriminated against as african-americans in this country for centuries, before we had citizenship and how our citizenship has always been questioned, even down to the birth certificate. you know, ozzy davis used to tell the story about how his mother named him rc, but the clerk put ozzy on the birth certificate. our names are not our -- to make him "other." to inval date the words that we are invisible men and women, to val date the words, our irreconcilable strivings. and then to attack hillary clinton. when women after all, full citizenship, and sufficientsuff.
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and here you have a woman, running, succeeding in the spirit of someone like shirley chisholm. he has insulted so many people. donald trump is probably one of the most despicable candidates in history. and lastly, i'll say the new museum of african-american history and culture is about to be open. donald trump's picture, if it goes inside the museum should be right alongside those of slavers, those who have questioned our citizenship, made us prove we could recite the constitution before we voted. donald trump's not about making america great again, he's about making america the worst again. >> let's listen to what hillary clinton said today. >> donald trump looks at president obama after eight years as our president. he still doesn't see him as an american.
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think of how dangerous that s imagine a president who sees someone who doesn't look like him and doesn't agree with him and thinks, that person must not be a real american. >> david corn, that was a little bit before donald trump spoke today, so it was before hillary clinton could have heard him blame her for his big lie. >> you know, i've been heartened today, actually, because i've seen a lot of the media, the mainstream media. and i don't mean that as a pejorative term, actually deal with a liar the way a liar should be dealt with. they've called this a lie. often they talk about how trump may stretch the truth, or he may exaggerate, or he may flip-flop, but this has been a lie, not just today when he talks about hillary clinton, but everything he has said about birtherism for five years. and the way that slavery was the
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original sin of america, birtherism is the original sin of the trump campaign. i use word foundational, which i was thinking about today, is how he got to be a hero for conservatives, and what launched this campaign. he's never shied away from it. he lied today when he said i finished it. katy tur has been on today, multiple times, talking about through this campaign up until a few weeks ago he kept playing the birther card and pushing that button. he knows what he's doing. the polls show us that too many republicans actually believe this sort of crap about obama not being born here, being a secret muslim. he's played to that, the three, four, five sentences he's said today will not put an end to this. and i do, and i'll start off, i'll finish off by saying what i said at the beginning. i think the coverage has been really quite strong, and it needs to continue. >> let's listen to what bernie
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sanders said about it today. >> it was delegitimizing the first african-american president in the history of our country. and the reason for that was clear. there are racists in this country who could never accept the fact that we had a black president. >> rick wilson, do you agree bernie sanders on that? >> you know, i think, lawrence, that's a factor in it, but for the most part, i've always been offended by the birther thing, from the very beginning, when we were able to resolve this in 2008, in about four phone calls that he was an american citizen, born in hawaii. it's always offended me that republicans were so stupid as to buy in to something that was going to hurt my party or maybe former party in the end, because these guys sold it, this medium complex, you know, with jerome coursy and all these nut cases in world nut daily, and all these people that fed this to credless, lower-everything republicans, and they billed
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this thing that was eventually going to be shameful, because it was so untrue, in its underpinnings but also politically damaging. drum has proven once again,'s willing to smear conservatives with the worst kind of problem, because he don't care. his audience plays to this. his audience loves this. his audience is comprised of people who really live this that fantasy bubble right now of, you know, barack obama's a secret muslim from kenya. and, you know, any minute now, he's going to launch his communist takeover of the country. it's just always been something that stuns me how people can see something that's so obvious and know that this is going to damage republicans and conservatives, and they still sort of play this game. and and allowed donald trump to play this game. >> donald trump's got another controversy going on tonight, speaking in miami. let's listen to what he said. >> now, you know sha, she's ver much against the second amendment.
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she wants to destroy your second amendment. guns, guns, guns, right? i think what we should do is, she goes around with armed bodyguards like you have never seen before. i think that her body guards should drop all weapons. they should disarm, right? right? i think he should disarm. >> we've just got and statement by robby mook of the clinton campaign, and the statement says donald trump, the republican nominee for president has a pattern of inciting people to violence, whether this is done to provoke protesters at a rally or casually or even as a joke, it is unacceptable. it is an unacceptable quality in any one seeking the job of commander in chief. this kind of talk should be out-of-bounds for a presidential candidate, just like it should be out-of-bounds for a presidential candidate to peddle a conspiracy theory about the president of the united states for five years. but we've seen again and again that no amount of famed resets
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can change who drum onald trump. it is time to stand up and denounce his disturbing behavior in their nominee. are we going to see that? >> no, and in the words of john walsh. this is xanax trump. the media's done a much better job today. i also agree with what rick said. you coined a new phrase, from basket of deplorables to bubble of deplorables. i'll tell you something else, too, gentlemen. we recall, and studies showed this in 2008 and fwe2012, peopl were motivated to the polls because of voter suppression. i think people will be motivated
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once again by donald trump's rhetoric and because of the veiled threat. we didn't have the luxury of changing our names. if anybody should look in the mirror, it should be him. >> we'll have to leave it at that. thank you all for joining us. coming up. michelle obama responded to donald trump today, you're really going to want to hear this. and later, what would happen if donald trump spent the rest of his life retracting one lie per day?
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donald trump lies about big things. he lies about little things he lies about important things, solemn things, so what changed today when donald trump retracted a lie for the first time? donald trump's life of lies is next.
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history was made today when donald trump respratracted a l, which brings us to the question, how long is donald trump going to live? because if he retracts one lie per day, okay, let's do the math. he's 70 years old. his very strange doctor wrote a letter this week with some numbers in it that mr. oz read in his tv show. and when mr. oz read this letter on tv, he did not say, how do i
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know if these numbers are true. by the time he sat down with mr. oz had officially established himself as the most reckless and dangerous and famous pathological liar in american history. and the on word that donald trump cares about in that sentence i just said about is famous. fame has been his life's pursuit. and he lied to get it, lied about how rich he was, as he was wrapping up bankruptcy, he lied about what a wiz he is at business and it worked. because donald trump was lucky enough to live in a country with the lowest thresholds to fame. so low that you can be famous for doing nothing. he was one of the early pioneers of fame, a fame built entirely on his lies. so, when our most famous liar
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handed mr. oz a letter from his. >> there was no reason to believe a single word or number in that letter,es personally after the first letter the very strange doctor wrote about donald trump which was a lie from beginning to end. there is evidence now that the letter mr. oz fell for completely on tv lied about donald trump's height and weight, so that donald trump would squeeze, just squeeze inside the clinical definition of obese. the letter gave a height of 6'3", and a weight of 236 pounds. other public sources say donald trump is 6'2", and he is definitely shorter than jeb bush who is 6'3". and jeb bush is healthier and thinner looking.
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there they are standing beside each other, exactly one very long year ago today. at the republican debate, at the reagan library, since then, the most gullible voters in presidential history chose the guy making the goofy face as the republican nominee. the guy who now lies about his height. but i don't really want to quibble about donald trump's health other than to remind the trump world media that a doctor's letter without documentation proves nothing, just like the letter the third mrs. trump's immigration letter wrote this week without any actual documentation of mrs. trump's immigration history. so let's just assume donald trump is much healthier than he looks. let's even assume he's taller and thenar than he really is. how long is donald trump going to live? donald trump's father, who taught him how to discriminate against black people, who wanted to rent trump apartments died of
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complications of alzheimer's at the age of 93. so let's give donald trump a couple more years than hess fath -- his father even though he is a fast food addict. donald trump will be with us for another 9,131 days. now let's assume that every day, for the rest of his life, donald trump does what he did today. let's assume he retracts one lie per day, every day, beginning with the vile lies he has told about 9/11. >> i watched as the world trade center came tumbling down and in jersey city where thousands and thousands of people were cheering as that building was coming down. >> that would be a really good
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lie for donald trump to retract tomorrow, because it is such a well-known lie. he owes that retraction to the people of new jersey, the people of this country and the world. of course he owes the world many apologies for many lies, but an apology is too much to hope for from a small mind like donald trump's, and of course he didn't apologize today when he retracted that one lie. donald trump lied about seeing thousands of people celebrating in new jersey. he didn't see any. zero. thousands, he said. zero was the truth. he wasn't lying about an inch here. he wasn't lying about the difference between 6'2" and 6'3". he was lying about thousands and thousands of people. he wanted you to believe that there were thousands of muslims in new jersey who were celebrating on 9/11. and he wanted you to look at every muslim you ever saw in new jersey differently, because of
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that. because of his deplorable lie. that's what he wanted. it was lying with motivation. it was exploitive, bigoted, lying. he wanted you to hate people. he wanted you to feel what he feels about those people, people he invented in his hateful imagination. donald trump wasn't finished lying about 9/11 when he lied about the living. and possibly the most deplorable lie of his life, he decided to also lie about the dead. >> how did he keep us safe when the world trade center fell? the world -- excuse me. i lost hundred dollas of friend. >> hundreds. and, again, the real number is zero.
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donald trump didn't lose a single friend on 9/11. but donald trump decided to lie about that on a debate stage because he found himself in the middle of an argument with marco rubio about preseotecting this country from terrorist attacks. donald trump knows nothing about any aspect of being presidentoff united states, least of all protecting us from terrorism. he tried to get the yemotional authority he believed would come from having lost a friend or friends on 9/11. but pathological liars don't reach for small lies. why say one or two, when you could say hundreds, and so the man who never attended a single 9/11 funeral sha, the man who n attended a 9/11 ceremony until
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last weekend decided to lion the debate stage and say he lost hundreds of friends on 9/11. he tried to steal the grief of the friends and families of 9/11 victims and use that grief as his own, as if it was his pain, a pain ma that he felt, a burdef grief that he carried every day for 15 years as all the loved ones of the victims of 9/11 have h had to do for these 15 years. donald trump stole that grief to use as a device in the debate. this might be the lie that donald trump himself judges to be his worst, most despicable lie, because something unique happened with this lie. the next day, on meet the press, still in the heat of the debate battle, donald trump tried to use the same device, but this time, instead of saying hundreds, he said he lost many
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friends on 9/11. >> i was there. i lost many, many friends in that tragedy. that was the worst tragedy in the history of this country, worse than pearl harbor, because they attacked civilians, people in office buildings. >> i tweeted about donald trump's lies that weekend as soon as he said them on the debate and on meet the press, and i said donald trump debate lie about losing hundreds of friends on 9/11 became many, many friends. then something unique happened in the history of donald trump lying occurred. he never said it again. now donald trump has a rich history of attacking me on twitter, even once threatening to sue me when i called him a liar. and this team sie time he was s response to my tweets, other than the fact that he never tried to tell that lie again. not hundreds of friends, not many friends.
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that lie completely disappeared from the trump routine, so maybe it was my tweet that stopped him from telling that lie again, but nothing else i've ever said about any other trump lies stopped him from telling any of those lies. main michael daley's article about it in the daily beast stopped him from repeating that lie. but no one else in the media really noticed it. when donald trump said i lost hundreds of friends on 9/11, he knew he was lying. the next morning when he said he lost many, many friends on 9/11, he knew he was lying, and donald trump decided that that lie was so bad, so deeply deplorable that even he, donald trump, the hate-spewing, pathological liar could not continue to tell that lie. and so he stopped. he stopped telling another lie
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today. the lie that started his political career, the lie about president obama's birth. >> hillary clinton and her campaign of 2008 started the birther controversy. i finished it. i finished it. you know what i mean. president barack obama was born in the united states, period. >> and so now, the most famous liar in the world has delivered the most famous retraction of a lie. if he does that, once a day, every day, for the rest of his life, he can retract 9,131 lies. but if he does it the way he did it today, the lies of donald trump will live after him, because, as he retracted one lie
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today, he told two more. hillary clinton did not begin the lie that donald trump built his political acareer on, and donald trump didn't finish it, whatever that was supposed to mean. i think we know that donald trump isn't going to retract a lie every day. i think we know donald trump is going to continue to tell lies every day. lies about mexicans, lies about muslims, lies about his tax returns, lies about what would change on your tax returns if he becomes president, lies about his wealth, lies about his charitable giving, lies about a plan to defeat isis, lies about barack obama, lies about hillary clinton. i think we know that there is nothing too small for donald trump to lie about, including that extra inch of height he decided he needed this week. he will lie about an inch. i think we know there's nothing too big for donald trump to lie
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about, nothing too important, nothing too solemn, and so he lied about the dead of 9/11. he claimed hundreds of them as his friends. if he had falsely claimed just one, that would be bad enough. but donald trump lied about hundreds of the dead of 9/11. he will lie about anything. and so i think we know that long after he's gone. long after his name has disappeared from buildings, the lies of donald trump will live after him. ♪ mapping the oceans. where we explore. protecting biodiversity. everywhere we work. defeating malaria. improving energy efficiency. developing more clean burning natural gas. my job? my job at exxonmobil? turning algae into biofuels.
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let me say this. you have, you have me and barak working on your behalf for the rest of our lives, so no need to worry. we're going to be here. >> michelle obama campaigned for hillary clinton today in fairfax, virginia, just across the pa toe tome ak river. >> and then, of course, there were those who questioned, and
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continue to question for the past eight years, up through this very day whether my husband was even born in this country. well, during his time in office, i think barak has answered those questions with the examples he's set by going high when they go low. [cheers and applause] >> michelle obama never mentioned the man who goes so low. donald trump, never mentioned his name, because she didn't have to. >> the presidency doesn't change who you are. it reveals who you are. [cheers and applause] and the same thing is true of a presidential campaign. so, if a candidate is erratic and threatening, if a candidate traffics in prejudice, fears and
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lies on the trail, if a candidate has no clear plans to implement their goals, if they disrespect their fellow citizens, including folks who make extraordinary sacrifices for our country, let me tell you, that is who they are. that is the kind of president they will be. trust me. a candidate is not going to suddenly change once they get in office. just the opposite. in fact, because the minute that individual takes that oath, they are under the hottest, harshest light there is. >> joining us now, a national se syndicated reporter for the "new york times." i want you to feel free to comment on anything you've heard in today's news, but also the extra energy it seemed to lend to michelle obama's appearance today. >> well, michelle obama is really on a mission to defend her husband's legacy.
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this is really a michelle obama who does not like to go on the campaign trail. she's been reluctant in the past to really go into the political realm, but her aids say she is all about defending president obama and trying to do as much as she can to help hillary clinton go into the white house and win. her favorables are much higher than the president's and hillary clinton. and she's trying to appeal to young people. she said in that speech that there are some people who maybe aren't as enthusiastic, but she's telling people i'm very enthusiastic. she's really trying to tell people, this is not a time to sit out. he she's really trying, i feel like she was very energized by today's news. >> it seems like she enjoyed campaigning today. let's listen to the way she sold the clinton candidacy to her audience today. >> hillary has been a lawyer, a
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law professor, first lady of the united states, a u.s. senator, secretary of state, do you hear me? s see, that's why i'm inspired by hillary. i'm inspired by her consistent and persistence, and her life-long record of public service. no one in our lifetime has ever had as much experience and exposure to the presidency, not barak, not bill, as he would say, nobody, and yes, she happens to be a woman. [cheers and applause] >> hillary clinton couldn't ask for more enthusiasm than that. >> i mean, ever since i saw michelle obama at the dnc talking and making the case for hillary clinton. if the clinton campaign could
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get her on the campaign trail, and get her out there in front of people who she struggles with, young people and white men, she could be an inspiring person. i talked to some officials who wanted to see the first lady on the campaign trail. a lot of people were really insulted by donald trump's 27-second talk about, not really even apologizing and saying, you know, yes, president obama was born here. there are a lot of people who feel very, very upset about what happened. and to see the first lady out there, to see the first lady defending her husband, it really, i think, settled a lot of voters. because there are still people who are very, very nervous about whether hillary clinton is going to win the election. the polls are closing, and they're getting closer and closer. and that's really something on people's minds. so michelle obama, if they can, they'll have her out there more. >> thank you very much for joining us tonight. >> thanks.
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donald trump did not try to delegitimize the obama presidency simply by lying about his birth, he tried to demean his academic credentials by demanding to see his transcripts. he's not willing to release any of his grades, and he's never doubted the academic achievement of any other presidential candidate. as insulting as he was to the other republican candidates, he ran against this year and to hillary clinton, he has never demanded to see their college or law school transcripts. he has never suggested that marco rubio or ted cruz might have had an unfair advantage in
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college and law school admissions because of their hispanic heritage. he's never suggested that hillary clinton might have had an easier time getting into yale law school because she's a woman. there's only one person in american political history that is suspect to donald trump. so what is it? what could it possibly be about barack obama? what could it be? >> this is a dog whistle to all other americans who are not african-americans to say, see, you're all right. don't worry about hiring that black woman or that black man, because after all, the most iconic african-american in history is indeed not worthy of the american dream. be clear. this is not just about degrading the reputation of barack obama. it's about degrading the american dream for all african-americans. >> we'll be right back with
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we're joined now by jamil smith, correspondent for mtv news. we just heard congresswoman gwen moore. >> i think what we need to understand is that birtherism isn't just some conspiracy theory, it's a long history of challenging and delegitimizing black citizenship in the united states. you had the amendment in 1868. and any kid who has been in a university, been black and had their legitimacy challenged because they benefitted from affirmative action or a scholarship, they understand exactly what donald trump is
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after. >> yeah, i got to say, as soon as i heard him doing that years ago, especially talking about the academics, i knew exactly what he was talking about. there's plenty of people i know who believe that trumpian view of the way college admissions works and law school admissions, firefighter jobs, all this stuff, and it is a very receptive, resentful listener out there to that stuff. >> yeah, i attended the university of pennsylvania where donald trump went and his son went. i know i had a lot of people when i was there tell me that i didn't belong there and hadn't earned it. not onlidy eay did i earn it, ny did barack obama earn his education, we have earned it through more oppression, more hatred, more resistance, through the government and through people like donald trump, i'd say they've earned it more than any other group in this country.
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time for tonight's campaign war room. hillary clinton faces the chances of, her chances of winning the presidential election are now 60% according to nate silver's they give her a better than 50% chance of -- and a veteran of the al gore war room. i want to talk to you about the
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polling and the candidates themselves. we're all consuming these polls, and there are those driven crazy over the polls. they get high anxiety attacks. how do you recommend candidates should view these polls? or do you try to even keep the candidates' heads out of the polls? >> i promise you today, everybody was jumping out the window, but i think this is an inflection point, and i think one ought to have respect for this. because rather than the race being even as the media's now reporting it, i think the trump voters, with his momentum, his supporters are answering the polls. cl clinton voters were fatherirly demoralized from what happened last week. i think the elements are quite there, which i think we'll now
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see in the coming weeks. people really want a different election, a different country. they are angry about this campaign. i've never quite seen a mood like this. but i do think it sets the stage in moving it in a different stage. >> let's take a look at this ad by priorities usa. >> look at my african-american. >> i don't know anything about david duke. >> all lives matter. >> his grandmother in kenya said he was born in kenya, and she was there and witnessed the birth, okay? he doesn't have a birth certificate. you're living in poverty, your schools are no good. you have no jobs. i have not got a racist bone in my body. believe me. believe me. >> stan, clearly the super pac trying to drive the issue that emerged today. >> well, look, the country really is fearful of him.
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and almost certainly democratic-leaning voters, the broad new american majority, i think, it's a wakeup call from what we saw today. and i think also from these kinds of ads. i also think this is a moment for change, and we should be part of that change. the country is in a bleak mood. you throw out one word, you say to people in one word what is the country, they say scared, frightened. and they want to see a different mood and climate, and i think that could happen in the next week. >> stan greenberg, thank you for joining us tonight, really appreciate it. >> thank you. >> we'll be right back.
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that's "all in" with chris hayes now. >> there are those who question whether my husband was even born in this country. >> birtherism 2.0. donald trump tries to trade one false conspiracy theory -- >> his campaign was founded on this outrageous lie. >> for another outrageous conspiracy theory.