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with preconditions are still covered? >> yes, because it happens to be one of the strongest assets. >> are you going to build a wall? >> yes. >> they're talking about a fence in the republican congress. would you accept a fence? >> for certain areas, i would. >> are you going to ask for a special prosecutor to investigate hillary clinton over her e-mails? >> well, i tell you what i'm going to do. i'm going to think about it. i don't want to hurt them. they're good people. i don't want to hurt them. >> different tone there. also denounced people targeting minorities with personal threats in his name. take a listen. >> you want to say anything to those people? >> i would say, don't do it, that's terrible because i'll bring this country together. >> they're harassing la tee thou, latinos, muslims. >> i'm so saddened to hear that and i say stop it. if it helps, i will say this and
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say it right to the camera, stop it. >> thousands of anti-trump demonstrators and we've just learned students planning a walkout in los angeles this morning. here in washington, president obama will hold a news conference later this afternoon and he and hillary clinton will also reach out to top democrats as well. their goal to discuss next steps and also what went wrong. and we're also keeping a close eye on the stock market which is coppi coming off the best week and the fresh all time high. we follow all of these new developments from capitol hill, the white house, and protest sites in new york and chicago. joining me now, kasie hunt, kelly o'donnell, and hallie jackson. and i want to start with hallie jackson with me here in studio. good to see you. hope you got a little bit of rest for the weekend. >> you know, 2017, after the inauguration. >> we learned a lot this weekend. donald trump started to fill out
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who is going to be a part of his team but you have steve bannon and reince priebus representing two different parts of the republican party right now. how is this going to work together? >> i think that's a really big question mark. i think they will point to and you heard reince priebus point to this today, how they work together over the campaign. that said, they did represent different factions even during the campaign and it feels as though the appointment of steve bannon, obviously the former head of breitbart news, controversial figure in his own right a signal to those who supported donald trump, his base, if you will, say we're listening to you, we hear you, rooe priebus. he's the establishment, head of the rnc and that was a signal to congress and folks inside the beltway, we hear you and we're going to try to work with you and possibly a way to ease some of donald trump's legislative agenda as the president elect pushes that in the first 100 days and bannon, for all the talk about priebus, bannon is an interesting choice because of his connection to breitbart and wanted it to be the platform for the alt right, as you know, a
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conservative extremist movement with links to white nationalism and a lot of blowback to bannon's pick. the former top aide to john kasich during his campaign, gop strategist tweeted out some comments saying that the racist fascist extreme right is represented footsteps from the oval office. warning people to be very vigilant, america. priebus asked about this this morning. and reince priebus, what he had to say. >> well, that's not the steve bannon that i know. and i've spent a lot of time with him and here's a guy who's a harvard business school, london school of economics, 10 year naval officer advising admirals. he was a force for good on the campaign at every level that i saw all the time. >> so publicly, at least, getting started on the right foot in the white house in the west ring, twing. obviously working close
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together. i don't think you can underestimate the influence he will have. >> a lot of room bust debates. i want to go to kelly o'donnell at the white house. we're learning a lot of new details about that historic meeting that took place between president obama and president elect trump. some sources saying that mr. trump seemed overwhelmed. apparent he was learning some of this stuff for the first time. what are you hearing? >> reporter: it's important the meeting is what it was. meeting for the very first time because we've seen these two prominent figures going at each other over the course of the campaign season and even earlier and so the notion that they met face to face for the first time is historic on its face. and then what we're learning is that trump and his team here at the white house had questions, of course, as you would expect about how they make this transition, what's required, and we know, the meeting went longer than anticipated, longer than on the schedule and each side
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talked about it publicly in respectful tones and told there were questions raised from the trump side about how many white house personnel would need to be hired and the fact that all of those who work for the the political operation of the executive office of the president will be replaced and that seemed to raise according to reporting from our andrea mitchell a question from the trump side not realizing how far reaching their hiring needs to be. those who work in the executive residence, some staff who remain regardless of political party but all of the jobs that keep the engines running, those are new jobs with each administration and so the trump transition team has a lot of work to do. here's how donald trump talked about his meeting with president obama on "60 minutes" and a little bit about that interaction taking us behind the the scenes. >> it was almost hard breaking it up because we had so many things to say. and he told me, the good things and the bad things. things tough right now. >> like what?
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give us a -- >> i don't want to divulge but the middle east, that's tough. it's a tough situation. i wanted to get his full view and i got his full view, a good part of his view. and i like having that because i'm going to be inheriting that in a short period of time. i found him to be terrific. i found him to be very smart. and very nice. great sense of humor as much as you can have a sense of humor talking about tough subjects but we were talking about some pretty tough subjects and we were talking about some victories also. >> reporter: i've learned the trump transition team has a couple of hundred people ready to go in each of the agencies across the government. this is a standard part of transition where they put jump teams who land in the different agencies to begin learning how to make this process work. the handoff, officially, which will come in january but that work begins in earnest right
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now. >> certainly does, kelly. we know that both sides are taking that transition incredibly seriously and i want to go over now to my colleague kasie hunt on capitol hill. we talk about the transition, kasie, and democrats sort of left questioning, where do they go from here? they're in the weakest position in 8 years. we know that president obama is going to be holding that news conference. he's also reaching out to members of the dnc today. hillary clinton's holding a separate call with house democrats. what are you hearing about those cal calls? what's the goal there? >> reporter: it really feels like democrats just had the wind knocked out of them. everyone is back on their heels. there's a lot of of kikind of wondering how to pick up the pieces and move forward from here. you start to see the beginnings of that today and you'll hear from the president on camera later today but they'll also be talking behind the scenes to the people that are going to be frankly carrying this party forward. president obama is leaving the
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white house. hillary clinton, no longer the standard bearer for the democratic party. the challenge, how do they find the next set of leaders? and they don't necessarily have the deepest bench. a lot of the leaders here on capitol hill have been in their positions for quite some time. senator chuck schumer has been harry reid's number two for quite some time. nancy pelosi was the speaker when president obama was first elected. has been the leader of democrats in the minority since then and so they're going to have to grapple with how do we pick up and put this back together and who do we put out front? i think part of that is going to start with the selection of the new head of the democratic national committee and you're already seeing progressives kind of take that step forward and congressman keith ellison a leading contender. he is somebody with close ties to the progressive wing of the party with a stamp of approval from people like bernie sanders and elizabeth warren but also from harry reid and from chuck
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schumer and i think how democrats negotiate pressure from progressives to pull the the party, not just to the left, but to make it more populist and to make it closer to the people that say backed bernie sanders and a lot of people who clearly said, hey, bernie is not on the ballot and i'm going to vote for donald trump and not for hillary clinton. but this party needs to figure out how to speak to the people again and you start to see the beginnings of that today. >> that's a great point, kasie, many this postmortem there. the tfact they didn't do enough to reach out to the bernie sanders supporters. kasie hunt, i want to turn back to my colleague, hallie. you get reporting from mike pence. >> he's in indiana sort of second transition, you could say. the governor of indiana, now going to become the vice president of the united states so at a press conference now from the team sort of monitoring that, bringing it to us. pence was obviously asked about the his own transition and finishing the term. he was asked about the transition for president elect
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trump and said it's about finding people who have confidence and character and implement the vision of donald trump. he was also asked interestingly if he saw a role as the peacemaker between paul ryan and donald trump and pence's response was sort of very politically astute, if you will. saying the president elect was grateful for ryan's support and pointed to the great meeting they had last week. the focus for him is working with leaders of both houses and he's humbled as he moves forward in that and expected to be in washington and new york practically daily for the rest of the transition. >> and uniquely suited for that. already has strong relationships with folks on capitol hill. hallie jackson and the team, thanks to all of you. for a fifth night, anti-trump protests flared up in several cities across the nation from new york to washington to san francisco and portland, oregon. when asked about it on "60 minutes," he said he believes some demonstrated just don't know him. >> i think in some cases, you have professional protesters and we had it, if you look at
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wikileaks. >> do you think those people down there are professional? >> i think some of them will be rofl. professional. >> they're in every city. >> security remains high. set the scene on the ground there. what's the mood in the wake of these protests? >> reporter: kristen, in cities that have trump properties like chicago here, they've become the focal point for protesters but protests have been popping up not just in new york, dc, chicago, los angeles, even smaller cities like dayton, ohio, and springfield, massachusetts. today will mark a sixth day of protests, if we see them pop up again tonight. now, we're not seeing any evidence of professional protests, as we heard donald trump talk about. i was out with some of these protesters here in chicago. they range in age from college age, to the 20s and 30s and they're protesting a wide range of issues. we've seen people with rainbow flags concerned about gay rights. we've seen women concerned about
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trump's rhetoric, people holding mexican flags concerned about grag immigration. they're wide ranging and out here protesting. we heard reports of walkouts being planned at some schools in los angeles and more protests being planned throughout the week. so just how far and long this continues, we'll have to wait and see. kristen? >> blake, if you will, and i know there's no protesters out right now but just, what is the mood there in chicago? i was in new york over the weekend and you could feel that there was a greater sense of intensity and tensions really as the city just grappled with the practicality of having protesters but also this new reality that you have thousands of people coming out into the streets saying, this is not my president. >> reporter: right, people have been respectful towards officers in chicago so not tension with protesters and police. police have let them have their space to get their message across but the mood in the crowd from the people is one, i think,
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of fear. and uncertainty. they don't know what a trump presidency is going to mean for them. all they have is trump's rhetoric that we've heard over the last several months or over a year now and it concerns them. >> great reporting. appreciate it. heightened security measures also at donald trump's home. cob crete barriers, concrete barriers. even the airspace above is restricted. live in new york. no easy task to secure that place, cal. talk about what you are seeing. i know you are there last week as well. how does what you're seeing today compare? >> reporter: well, you know, it's different during the week because you have people going about their business. there's dozens of tourists here on fifth avenue now taking pictures of the building. if i can have you pan off, and hopefully no buses coming, you can see 56th and 5th and you
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talked about this now, the unique challenges in new york city and also talking about, we're a week and a half away from the big thanksgiving day parade. so the concern that police have here is that midtown provides that unique challenge of thousands of tourists always being here and these large events sort of coming down the pike later this month and tons of officers on the week and not only increases, but 25,000 people on the streets of new york city saturday night. that was the big night of protest. no arrests and certainly no trouble and at times, i was walking with these protesters and they were not very strong protests. we even saw sometimes and waiting for lights to change. not what we see out west and that's expected. new york is a very different city and a very crowded place and that's what has officials here concerned, kristen. >> makes sense. thank you for your reporting. really appreciate it. coming up, border wall backtrack? what he's now saying about his
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plan to deport undocumented immigrants. we'll look at that when we come right back. stay with us.
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what about the pledge to deport millions and millions of undocumented immigrants? >> what we are going to do is get the people that are criminal and have criminal records, gang members, drug dealers, we have a lot of these people, probably 2 million, could even be 3 million, getting them out of our country or going to incarcerate but getting them out of the country. they're here illegally. after the border is secured and after everything gets normali d normalized, make a determination on the people you're talking about who are terrific people. >> donald trump in his first
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postelection seemingly softening on his core campaign issue, immigration. nbc political analyst and cruz spokesman rick tyler and jamal simmons. thank you for being here. >> thank you. >> so rick, i want to start with you and what we just heard donald trump talking about, his vision for immigration reform. he also talked about that border wall saying, sure, he'll accept a fence in some areas. he also has said he'll accept some of obamacare. is he moderating? what are we to take of this? >> i think it's a bit of moderation but more practicality. first of all, money has been allocated to build a wall. they can implement that immediately. it doesn't matter if it's a wall or fence, the point is border security. i think he's going to take it in a step by step approach. congress always tried to take this as a comprehensive immigration reform, never works because one small detail collapses the whole deal. he seems to be taking a step by
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step approach, remove illegal aliens with a criminal record. i don't know anyone that disagrees with that, control the border and look forward on a rational policy. >> rick, to follow up, what he said is in line with what president obama has already done which is removing criminals. that's what the obama policy is. >> except he hasn't cracked down on sanctuary cities and you see cities that are telling people they can live there and now california is talking about not following policy directives, federal policy directives on immigration. but i think you have to do it in a step by step approach and demonstrate seriousness and everybody gets the idea that it is serious and people will come into compliance. >> jamal, let me get your take on his comments about the supreme court and obviously, democrats, liberals really concerned about what's going to happen to the court. he said on the one hand, same-sex marriage is settled, but roe v. wade might be
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overturned and go back to the states. that has people scratching their heads. what do you make of that? >> i have people in the women's organizing political movement who are really distressed that the clinton campaign didn't make a bigger deal out of this during the course of the campaign but now here we are, where we are. and i think we have yet to see whether or not donald trump will have an administration focused on doing things like building infrastructure, focused on entrepreneurship and cutting taxes, things that might be reasonable policy discussions or if he's going to wrap all that up into anti-abortion, misogyny, anti- ant anti-semet ir anti-semitic stuff from steve bannon and not just people in government but the people outside the government who support donald trump who now feel empowered and i think the more they behave poorly, the
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less incentive democrats have to work with a president trump. >> rick, jamal brings up a good point and the issue of steve bannon who, of course, is going to be the chief strategist. he's going to be working with reince priebus. how does that work? how do you envision that working? are you not going to see a number of clashes between these two forces? reince priebus represents the establishment. steve bannon who represents really the fringe alt right movement. >> let me start with priebus who's the chairman of the republican national committee and campaigns, you know, presidential campaigns have a lot of problems, they don't get along and see that in the dnc right now but the idea that he took reince priebus, the chairman of the republican national committee and made him chief of staff tells you how close they were working. i've got to give the rnc credit where they said trump didn't have a ground game. he did have a ground game. equal billing with the chief
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strategist. it didn't look like one was over the other. i think you need someone in charge. >> although steve bannon's name was mentioned first on the release which a lot of people took note of. >> it was. he was the chief executive officer of the campaign and he won. and so whatever strategies you put in place works. i understand people's concerns but we'll have to see how it works. >> some are concerned steve bannon couldn't pass the national security vet to get the chief of staff job because that job isn't just making sure people show up on time for meetings. you're sitting in the situation room and actually speaking on behalf and teeing up things for the president of the united states of not just domestic problems but the terrorist issues and fights around the world. perhaps steve bannon couldn't pass that and best he could do
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is a senior advisor job but still the political ear of the president and incredibly concerned about his anti-semitic views going into being steps away from the white house. >> let's talk about democrats and the way forward for them. >> it's a mess. >> let us pick up on that. reaching out to members to the dnc and secretary clinton to house democrats and president obama has the news conference. what do you anticipate we'll hear from president obama and what do you think his message will be when he talks to the dnc? >> the first thing with barack obama is instinct to bring people together, focus on the future, don't wallow in your pain and there's a lot of pain going on right now in the democratic party that we could not win this election despite all the wind that was sort of at secretary clinton's back. the problem though, again, democrats need to have a message and we've been saying this for
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months, many of us. a message that speaks to the pain of african-americans. not just the working class white americans but black americans feel like they really need to get back involved. latinos and other americans who really want the government to focus on them and deal with income equality and other things. the president to bring people together and i worry that secretary clinton will find a way to say it wasn't our fault when in fact there was some real challenges with this campaign that needed to be addressed and really speak out for these americans and that didn't happen. >> jamal, i get a hard wrap but i want to be clear about what you're saying. they said director comey slowed our momentum. i hear you saying, that is not the only issue here at play. >> it's not the only issue. you lose millennials by the numbers that she did, people who fell off and didn't show up, that means you didn't actually capture the people who were at your base who you should have talked to first and if they had shown up, we wouldn't have a
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president elect trump right now but a president elect clinton. >> thank you so much for a great conversation. really appreciate it. >> thank you. when we come back after months of rallies, chanting lock her up, what donald trump is now saying about prosecuting hillary clinton. plus, is the white house about to become a family business? what the future holds for donald trump's children when their dad is commander in chief. stay with us. we're back after a quick break. america. and we're partnering with cigna to help save lives. by getting you to a real doctor for an annual check-up. so go, know, and take control of your health. doctor poses. learn your key health numbers and take control today. every tv doctor knows scrubbing is serious business. they also know you need to get your annual check-up. now with one touch using the mycigna app you can find a doctor in your plan's network to save money. need to be thorough. i want my blood sugar i to stay in so i asked about tresiba®. ♪ tresiba® ready ♪
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special prosecutor, here we come. if if win, we'll appoint a special prosecutor. >> that was donald trump last month promising to investigate hillary clinton should he win the presidency but last night, the president elect seemed to have second thoughts. >> are you as you had said to her face, try to put her this jail? >> i tell you what. i'll think about it. i feel that i want to focus on
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jobs. i want to focus on health care. i want to focus on the border and immigration. >> i know, but the special prosecutor? >> i don't want to her them. i don't want to hurt them. >> that question there. here to discuss this with me is ari melber, chief legal correspondent. thanks for being here. really appreciate it. >> sure. >> let's say that mr. trump does decide to follow through with this special prosecutor. how would that work? is it realistic? is it something he can really do? >> i thought it was spriekintri. he made this pledge repeatedly. he had people chanting, lock her up, at the convention and chris christie lead the charge, as you showed there. he talked about it openly on the campaign trail. and made it a centerpiece of the closing argument about comey's remarks. where people come down on that, it was a key pledge, highly unusual, against the rule of law. it's something we associate quite frankly more with
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dictatorships where people say they'd prosecute their political opponents for opposing views and now what we saw last night to me was a clear walkback. he didn't exactly say what he was going to do but went from pledging and running on locking her up and went to say his real focus was dodging the question so that looks like a definite softening as we keep track of that. here's why this is important. everything he says as a candidate is tree speech. candidates can say a wide variety of things in the system. what he says as president elect is a different ball game and if he had given a different answer or ultimately does, said, because hillary clinton was my political opponent, i am going to order the fbi to investigate her, that itself is potentially impeachable offense. i don't say that as conjecture. one of the articles of impeachment against richard nixon. i'll put it up so viewers can see themselves. told by the senate he was disregarding the rule of law knowingly misusing the executive
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power by interfering with the fbi and doj in violation of his nixon's duty to take care the laws be faithfully executed. in other words, it is not the role to tell the fbi to pursue political opponents, if they found something new, obviously, they can do whatever they deem necessary. so the softening we're seeing is striking as a political matter and probably a good idea for any incoming president as a legal matter. >> something striking that trump's children said. they were asked about what their father's role means for them. take a listen to what they said. >> we'll be in new york and take care of the business. i think we'll have a lot of fun doing it and make him very proud. >> people think you're going to be part of the administration, ivanka. >> no. i'm going to be a daughter, but i said throughout the campaign that i'm very passionate about
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certain issues and that i want to fight for them. >> ari, you've seen with me that some top advisors are his children. ivanka said i'll just be a daughter but potential legal issues there if they continue to advise father and with the family business? >> there are. and i have great report for leslie stahl and don't mean to be a lot of rain on the parade but don't know what she meant when people think you're going to be in the administration. it would be illegal under a 1957 federal law for any to take an agency or executive federal job. so that's just off the table. the big legal questions that remain, kristen, if these play a dual role of informal advisor to the president on major matters of economic and military and national security issues, while also trying to cut deals around the world which would normally be their right. what conflicts are there? they haven't come up with an answer to that yet. >> something we'll continue to track as i know you will as
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well. ari melber, thank you as always. coming up, obamacare compromise? >> obamacare is tough. health care is a tough situation. >> oh, i bet you asked you not to do. >> it didn't ask me no. he told me, you know, the merits and the difficulties. >> the president elect opens up about his discussion inside the oval office on what's next for the president's signature health care law. i'll ask aca and jonathan gruber. hey listen, when you tell our friends about your job, maybe let's play up the digital part. but it's a manufacturing job. yeah, well ge is doing a lot of cool things digitally to help machines communicate, might want to at least mention that. i'm building world-changing machines. with my two hands.
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oh no, that looks gross whoa, twhat is that? try it. you gotta try it, it's terrible. i don't wanna try it if it's terrible. it's like mango chutney and burnt hair. no thank you, i have a very sensitive palate. just try it! guys, i think we should hurry up. if you taste something bad, you want someone else to try it. it's what you do. i can't get the taste out of my mouth! if you want to save fifteen percent or more on car insurance, you switch to geico. it's what you do. shhh! dog, dog, dog. president elect trump made it clear he'll repeal and replace president obama's signature health care law but last night he said there are
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parts of the affordable care act he would keep. >> when you replace it, will you make sure people with pre-conditions are still covered? >> yes. it happens to be one of the strongest assets and with the children living with parents for an extended period. >> you're going to keep that? >> very much try to keep that. adds cost, but it's very much something we're going to try to keep. >> two obamacare architects. ezekiel emanuel and johnathan gruber, professor of economics at mit. thank you for both for being here. >> thank you. >> you heard what donald trump had to say. i've been talking to my sources who have said that the president was surprised by the fact that he had to explain a lot to president-elect trump about how all of this would work. obamacare is intricate and
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difficult and president trump said i'll keep the preexisting conditions and people on their parents' health care plans. what's your reaction to that? can you keep those two parts of it and not the entire package? >> well, you can certainly keep having children on their parents plan until age 26 without the entire package and certainly a lot of middle class and upper middle class children have benefitted from that. on the other hand, the preexisting condition exclusion, you cannot keep that without a mandate. those are inextricably linked as many argued and it is, people don't like that they're linked. they like the fact that people with preexisting conditions like cancer or heart disease or multiple sclerosis can get insurance at an affordable price but chafe at the idea of a mandate but not only what you like here. the reason you need the mandate is you need everyone in the insurance market to balance out the risk.
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if all you have is high risk people, premiums go through the roof and no one can afford health insurance so we need both elements. how donald trump is going to thread that needle, lord knows. he may not understand that and it's not clear that the people around him understand that and there will be a reckoning for them if they try to keep the preexisting condition exclusion but eliminate the mandate, eliminate the exchanges and the rest of it. >> professor gruber, what's your take? can he thread that needle? do you see any way to do that realistically? >> actually, i think it's a bit worse than he said because let's be clear because the preexisting exclusions are a narrow part of the aca. let's look at my wife who's a breast cancer survivor. in donald trump's example, the insurer can say, if we offer you insurance, we can deny your
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insurance or charge you $100,000. donald trump hasn't spoken to the fundamental insurance protections that are central to aca. we like to use the exclusions because it's easy to understand but the real fundamental protections in this law are the anti-discrimination in both the issuing of insurance and the pricing of insurance that ensure that sick people are not discriminated against as they are anywhere else in the world except the u.s. first of all, mr. trump hasn't addressed the fundamental issue and zeke is exactly right. even if you said that, he can't. because in fact, the evidence is spoken. seven states in 1990s tried to keep those insurance protections without the mandate, without the subsidies, in every single state, the insurer's market collapsed. >> dr. manuel, let me have you jump in here. one of the things that makes the law vulnerable is the price of premiums increasing and we saw those headlines in the day
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before election day and a lot of democrats, republicans are saying that may have contributed to hillary clinton's loss. is this law flawed at its core? is there something that needs to be improved about the law as a whole to bring those prices down for people? >> good question. so let me make three quick points. the first is, you know, insurance premiums are set by how much it costs to provide care to people and we've seen in the fact that we've got to get health care costs under control, hospital costs, doctor's costs, drug costs in particular under control to keep the premium down in the long-term. these rises we've seen in the exchanges in 2012 are related to the pool, the fact that more sick people are in and healthy people haven't gone in. we can probably fix that with some minor adjustments to the exchange. it's not a radical problem. i do think people are picking out numbers like arizona, 116% increase.
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remember, indiana, massachusetts, the premiums have actually gone down and most big states, the premiums have moderated. the third point i would make is that actually, the premiums we're seeing at the end of 2017 with the increases, there are two points to make. first of all, people who get subsidies, 80% of the people in the buying in the exchange, these increases really don't affect how much they pay because they get a subsidy to offset it. but also, the premiums are just back to where we predicted they would be. they started off low because insurers wanted to grab market share and now they have to readjust their prices. this is not a crisis despite the perception and we've also shown that actually in the course of the six years after the aca, the the rate of increase in premiums has come way down compared to what it was under george bush so that today, the price that a family pays for its insurance premiums is about $4,000 less
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than it would have been had the health care inflation of george bush continued unabated. so the aca moderated health care cost increases. it's hard for people to feel that as drug costs go up and other costs go up but it's actually been one of the big successes of the affordable care act and it's going to be, again, a big challenge for donald trump to keep that health care cost under control if he gets rid of all the aca because that's been a lot of the provisions of the aca that doesn't get as much attention and a major reason we've been able to see some moderation in the growth of health care costs. >> professor gruber, weigh in on that point about costs if you would and also, 20 million people now have health care who didn't have it before this law went into effect. president-elect trump made it clear he doesn't want to kick all of those people off of health care but how does he accomplish that? if he repeals it? >> let's be clear on what the aca accomplishes. three fundamental things.
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first, and my view most important, ending discrimination markets only possible because of the complicated structure that zeke spoke about about subsidies and that goes away with the three legs of the stool, as i call it. a popular part of law. that goes away. the second is bringing 20 million more people into the insured in america and 20 million who no longer have to go to bed at night worrying about one bad traffic accident away from bankruptcy and the third was historic moderation of the growth and health care costs. we talk about the exchange premiums. these exchange premiums are paid by $5 million or $6 million people and $150 million people, insurance are to date paying more than $3,000 less than projected before the aca passed and that's in part because the aca and mr. trump if he's going
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to be serious about repealing or replacing the aca, he has to have a plan that speaks to all three of these elements and currently has none. >> your perspectives so critical on this complicated topic. i appreciate you being here. thank you so much. aftershocks tsunami warnings and a frantic search for survivors tolling a massive 7.8 earthquake in new zealand on the ground heat index. ♪jake reese, "day to feel alive"♪ ♪jake reese, "day to feel alive"♪
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another strong earthquake struck new zealand early this morning just hours after a more powerful quake killed at least two people and damaged buildings on the island. in christchurch, the southern island's largest city. thanks for joining me. what is the latest from where you are? >> reporter: the earthquake's epicenter about 2 hours north of here. the area around kyekura hardest hit and isolated.
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caused huge cracks in roads and many blocked by landslides and accessible by air. a thousand tourists stranded there and there will be a rescue operation under way soon to evacuate those people and others wanting to get out. there have been over a dozen strong aftershocks today. many of them in that area. the tsunami alert has been lifted but people are still being warned to stay away from the shore. there are communities that don't have running water, they don't have electricity. the new zealand military is bringing in more helicopters to help with the relief effort and a navy ship. the problem is weather and if that does get complicated, officials say they'll also use a c 130 hercules to drop supplies in the remote areas. >> please be careful out there. we really appreciate your reporting. thank you. coming up, who is steve
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bannon? alt right provocateur or anti-establishment touch stone? looking at new senior advisor and what his appointment means for trump presidency. stay with us.
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steve bannon, donald trump's controversial campaign chairman will be chief strategist and senior counselor to the president. bannon, the former president of breitbart news with a following among the so-called alt right movement. bannon's appointment has been met with backlash from civil rights groups and advocates. let's bring in ryan, washington bureau chief at the huffington post and msnbc contributor. thank you for being here. really appreciate it. >> thanks for having me. >> let's just talk strategy. what do you think donald trump was aiming for here with this pick given that he knew it would be controversial? >> right. i mean, he's kind of appeasing the tkind of the mutant strain f the tea party that's evolved into breitbart, this angry and
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fervent supporters and donald trump loves loyalty more than anything else and he loves praise above all else and from everything we know is he's good at praising those he's close to and trying to manipulate. so i think clearly, steve bannon has touched all of trump's buttons in exactly the right way and now we have in this building behind me a chief strategist who has tight connections to what we call the alt right, white supremacist movement. the white supremacist groups are celebrating today. >> let's remind viewers of the headlines on breitbart's news organization under a steve bannon. one of the more controversial called bill kristol, a renegade jew. here's another one. there's no hiring bias against women in tech.
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they just excuse but suck at interviews. and steve wants breitbart to be a platform for the alt right and what strikes me about this is you have him saying he wants the country to come together and told supporters engaging in racist talk in the wake of his election to stop it. how does he achieve that when he's appointed steve bannon who oversaw the headlines? >> well, he doesn't. the way he may achieve it is by putting both the accomplishment and bannon in will together and watch them kind of eat each other alive. that might be the best case scenario for trump opponents. >> quickly, some of the reaction we get from the anti-defamation colleague that tweeted we at the adl oppose the appointment of steve bannon because his alt right are so hostile and trump should rescind this hire. in the victory speech, he
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intended to be president for all americans. bannon should go. just wanted to let viewers know what the strong reaction was. thank you for helping us understand. appreciate it. >> you got it. >> we'll be right back. ♪ is it a force of nature? or a sales event? the season of audi sales event is here. audi will cover your first month's lease payment on select models during the season of audi sales event. (bing) parts a and b and want more coverage, guess what? you could apply for a medicare supplement insurance plan whenever you want. no enrollment window. no waiting to apply. that means now may be a great time to shop for an aarp medicare supplement insurance plan, insured by unitedhealthcare insurance company. medicare doesn't cover everything.
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that wraps up this hour. tamron hall is up next. hey. >> thank you so much. right now on msnbc, campaign trump versus president elect trump and his first sit-down interview, donald trump is asked where he stands on many of the core promises made to his supporters like immigration, obamacare, and same-sex marriage as protests under trump's election erupt for the fifth straight day. and steve bannon backlash. a risky hire of the man who runs breitbart news as senior v strategist sparks outrage from muslims and the jewish community and other groups who say this is a bad pick.


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