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thank you for joining fe many hour. we'll be right back tomorrow. let me turn it over to andrea mitchell who just tossed her handbag behind her. what are you doing, lady? what happened? she didn't know i was coming to her. she threw the handbag. >> tamron, hello there. how are you? to be serious about the news now on "andrea mitchell reports," trump's checklist. the trump transition produces an online video that the president-elect announcing his top priorities for the first 100 days. what's missing? that wall with mexico and repealing obamacare. two of the biggest campaign promises. >> whether it ee's producing st, curing disease or cars i want it
to happen on our homeland, america. >> hate speech growing calls for the president-elect to denounce rhetoric from the alt-right like these nazi-like salutes this weekend at a conference. >> hail trump, hail our people, hail victory. >> tragedy in chattanooga. five young children killed and a dozen seriously injured in a school bus crash. the driver is charged with vehicular homicide. today parents and families are looking for answers. >> i just hope that the parents get a lot of comfort and love. >> i can't even -- thanksgiving is not even at the top of my list anymore. >> words can't describe it, you know? if you can, just pray. >> good day. i'm andrea mitchell in new york.
as donald trump prepares to head south for a long thanksgiving holiday the guessing game over his cabinet choices is reaching fever pitch. today campaign loyalists riding the trump tower elevator to his 26th floor offices for audiences with the president-elect. after a social media squabble today with the "new york times" over whether or not they would meet mr. trump is expected at the time this is hour for a private meeting. following a meeting with network news executives that many described as uncomfortably tense. joining me now with the latest on the transition, kelly o'donnell, katy tur and nick confessore. first to you, katy. where do we stand with secretary of state. the competition between rudy giuliani and mitt romney played out in public.
rudy giuliani might be up for the director of national intelligence in charge of 17 agencies. >> what we saw over the weekend was donald trump as rudy giuliani was leaving when they waved to reporters. somebody shouted a question. is rudy giuliani being considered for secretary of state? trump said, among other things. they were alluding to the idea that he could get another role. the competition for secretary of state is a big competition right now. but that's exactly what donald trump wants us to say. there is a lot of jockeying for the top spot. he's meeting with people. he called them finalists at one point in a tweet. >> this is "the apprentice" like. >> if you will. mitt romney, the meeting went well and is a serious meeting. we'll find out if donald trump does choose him. but rudy giuliani, director of national intelligence, this is the third role we have heard him -- his name surround.
first attorney general, then secretary of state. then dni. we were told that trump didn't necessarily like how vocal rudy giuliani was in regard to getting the secretary of state role. as much of a loyalist he's been standing beside him even in the rockier moments of the campaign he's been very outspoken. one thing we learned during the vp selection was donald trump didn't like to be outshined. that's part of the reason rudy giuliani, newt gingrich or chris christie weren't chosen as potential vice president candidates and somebody like mike pence was. >> rudy giuliani has business dealings around the world that would be potentially problematic if he were secretary of state. he would have to recuse himself. the dni was created after 9/11. it's gone to career intelligence, former military.
it's a very specific skill set. they are not supposed to be policy-makers. they are analysts, advisers to give the facts to the president. they say we never recommend policy. i can't imagine the rudy giuliani i covered in new york and all these years who is so political, so partisan, just loves the fray. being that kind of a dispassionate, nonpolicy advising intelligence analyst. >> rudy giuliani is a born executive, he said so himself. his natural role is policy-maker. i don't think his experience with 9/11 necessarily qualifies as the kind of experience you want in this role. this is an analyst job, a backstage job to advise the president to not make policy. it would be a strange fit i think. >> where you put your thumb on the scale is to say this is a bigger threat and this is what you need to be doing. this is how we should have opposed cyber threats.
>> exactly. part of the job is to channel the wisdom of the analysts from different intelligence agencies to get out of the bubble and have it all come under the president's advice. >> i want to talk about the media in a moment. first kelly o'donnell, this is a job that is subject to congressional confirmation, senate confirmation, the new chair -- well, the continuing chair is richard burr. re-elected in a close fight from north carolina. and the new democrat -- top democrat replacing dianne feinstein is mark warner from virginia. whether or not a republican-led senate would create a vigorous hearing for someone like rudy giuliani for any of the jobs. for jeff sessions in judiciary. you have covered the senate for years. what's your take? >> i would say there will be the democrats who are formidable on the committees that can help to shape what the confirmation hearing would look like for someone like rudy giuliani if he
were selected. while the republicans control it in the senate, the minority party does have power. not on how it's scheduled but they can be vocal. that could be interesting. i was that person yelling the questions over the weekend and i was struck by the fact that when i asked the president-elect if rudy giuliani was under consideration for secretary of state it was the way he said it. yes and then a beat and some other things which were notable in that moment especially with rudy giuliani at his side. you could consider him for a position like the department of homeland security which deals with a skillset perhaps closer to what he did as a u.s. attorney and as mayor of new york in a time of terrorism. perhaps more than the dni. i heard the name michael mccall who was currently the house intelligence chair as one of the names in consideration for dni. so i think the rudy giuliani we are seeing today, what is notable is how muted he is.
message delivered and message accepted. that the way he conducted himself speaking publically about secretary of state clearly didn't go over well. he didn't talk about jobs or the kmichlt he spoke only about issues. that was very tell iing. will donald trump select someone who was such an adversary and publically attacked him during the cam pain? that's an interesting dynamic between the loyalist and the outside attacker. >> i want to talk about the media for a moment. we are not held in great regard. all the conventional media, polling and all that. there is a real sense of trying to take advantage of that.
saying he'd cancel the meeting. failing "new york times" when the terms and conditions were changed at the last moment. not nice. i don't want to put you on the spot. there was a previous meeting yesterday with television executives and anchors. he then leaked to the new york post, hardly a friend to the major networks. >> yeah. that the new york post indicated that it was contentious. he argued and basically shamed the media and challenged them. it was almost an ambush. i'm not sure that's what will be taking place in your publisher's offices as well. is there a sense that donald trump feels he doesn't need the white house press pool, the conventional media and the public doesn't care.
>> we have been headed in a certain direction now that presidents can go around the trshl media. barack obama would do videos to the public and was on twitter in a different way. the job of reporters is to report. donald trump used the media as a foil throughout his campaign. he'll keep doing so as president. that's his right. our job is to report. >> one quick question to katy about this routine where he tweeted out that he's so praising of the leader of brexit, one of the first foreigners to visit. >> i don't know if he's trying to influence the uk in making him the u.s. ambassador. >> there is a uk career diplomat posted to the u.s. they post the best and brightest. they are superb diplomats. that ambassador is in place and
boris johnson, the unconventional foreign secretary id thank you very much, mr. trump. we already have a very good ambassador. >> that's not the way it works. donald trump won't fill that role. we believe these tweets were in response to the "new york times" tweeting about donald trump having a meeting with leaders from the uk independence party, the one that was vocal about brexit. talking about pushing back encouraging them to push back on building wind farms near the scottish resort. not because he doesn't like wind farms but he doesn't like that they are blocking the view at his scottish golf resort. this was another example of donald trump mixing business and governing. >> since he's been elected. >> even though he made a big
promise to build a wall between himself and the business. that's not happened so far. he had two tweets. one saying the only people who care are the media which isn't true. we knew he had businesses over seas but we didn't know he would continue to have an interest in the businesses because he said he would not. the second was expressing support for farage. if we wondered if there would be a change in his attitude and behavior i think we are getting strong indications with this. it will be status quo. >> i was told donald trump tweeted while we were sitting here that he's considering ben carson for hud. >> let's talk about how he's going about this. this is a serious break from tradition.
about how you take these cabinet positions and fill them. you do it behind the scenes with a lot of serious thought, with a lot of planning and conversations. then you come out, present them to the american public. these are the people who will be leading the american public and the government, making huge decisions. you introduce them in a news conference. donald trump is tweeting this, calling them finalists, tweeting about them. having them parade in and out of his bedminister golf resort and in and out of trump tower. talking about keeping people in suspense. he's treating it like it's a reality show. i don't know what's going on behind the scenes. how seriously they are taking things. i won't venture to say i can report on that. from the appearances from outside it looks like it is being treated like a reality show. >> katy tur, nick confessore and
in chattanooga five children killed in a deadly school bus crash. >> please just pray. this is so heartfelt. words can't describe it. if you can, pray for the community. pray for the families that lost their children. >> the bus driver is now facing several charges including five counts of vehicular homicide. today the ntsb dispatched
investigators to determine what happened. >> we certainly send condolences to the parents of the children. my daughter rides a school bus every day. i understand that. we'll do everything we can to try to prevent this from happening again. >> we have the latest from chattanooga. i can't imagine the community grieving the loss of the children and others in the hospital still, some seriously ill. what's the investigation now showing and what are we learning about this man, the bus driver? >> i just spoke to an ntsb official who arrived on the scene. this road of the crash site has been re-opened. he did receive a blood test after the crash.
the location or the place of the blood test is unknown. as you mentioned he's being charged with five counts of vehicular homicide. we do know from the criminal complaint he was going at a high rate of speed. much higher than the 30 miles an hour speed limit. you can see how narrow and hilly it is. you can see how devastating it was for these small children riding on the bus. ranging in ages from 5 to 11 or 12. six of them are still in critical condition at the hospital. five of them unfortunately were killed. four here at the crash site and one en route to the hospital. elementary school officials decided to keep the school open. it is just a couple of blocks from where i am now to give the other children a sense of
normalcy. tonight the community is preparing for vigils and collecting donations for the victim's -- victims' families. >> and to be facing tragedy at this thanksgiving time. up next, back to politics. the ohio congressman challenging nancy pelosi for house leader. stay with us. glad forceflex. extra strong to avoid rips and tears. be happy, it's glad. ♪ ♪ ♪ how else do you think he gets around so fast? take the reins this holiday and get the mercedes-benz you've always wanted during the winter event.
she's a remarkable leader. >> president obama praising house democratic leader nancy pelosi who is being challenged by a seven-term ohio congressman tim ryan. the california democrat is fighting back in a letter to fellow democrats. nancy pelosi is planning to expand the leadership circle creating new roles for junior members. joining me is congressman tim ryan, serves on the house armed services committee. thank you very much. you're running against nancy pelosi for leader and now have to run against barack obama also. how do you go up against the leader who proved so strong against previous challenges. >> well, i agree with barack obama. i love nancy pelosi. she was a mentor of mine. i have the deepest amount of respect for her. she's a historic figure. it's as clear as i can say it. the question really is are we winning and the answer to the question is no. we are down 68 seats since 2010.
we have the smallest democratic number in our caucus since 1929. and we have needed a change. it hurts me to say it. but it is true. we need to put in a new coach. if coaches keep losing at some point you have to change coaches and put someone else in. i'm asking for the opportunity to do that. i think i can lead this caucus back into the majority. the average wage in my district is $57,000 a year for a husband and wife making less than $30,000 a year. they left us in droves in the last election last tuesday. we better reconnect with them or we'll be a coastal party. we are not a national party now. i believe i can get us back to where we need to be. i'm humbly asking my colleagues to give me an opportunity to do that. i said if we don't win the house back in two years i will step down. this is about winning.
>> is it nancy pelosi's fault that the democrats are a coastal party or is it more the clinton team's fault and their strategy for not connecting to white working class voters, people in your district, people in michigan and pennsylvania? >> well, clearly there is enough blame to go around. i think all of us need some level of responsibility for that. but the reality is that our current leader has been in charge of this caucus for a good many years. like i said, since 2010, we have lost 68 seats. that meant off year elections in 10, 14 where we got completely hammered. barely won any seats back in 12. again in '16 when we were running in presidential races. i asked my colleagues, what's the number of seats we have to lose before we decide we have to make the very tough decision of making a change? is it 80 seats? 90? when does the lightbulb go off
for us and we need to move in another direction. she can raise a lot of money. she works hard. she has more energy than half the caucus put together. but the reality is this isn't about money. this is about messengers and message. connecting with voters. emotionally connecting with voters. if money was the answer we would be in the majority now. hillary clinton would be president. >> let me play a comment by bernie sanders on the pbs news hour yesterday. the logical question is why wouldn't he be the party leader to help you and to reach out to voters given his message. this is what he had to say. >> i think there are many people in the working class who say, you know what? maybe we are better off today than we were eight years ago. i'm still working two or three jobs. my kid can't go to college. i can't afford child care. my wages have been going down for 40 years. middle class is shrinking. who is standing up for me? democrat party? are they going to take on wall
street? the drug companies that are ripping me off? and the perception was, no, they would not. >> are you a bernie sanders democrat? >> i love bernie sanders. i agree with a lot of what he says and what he stands for. i think there are very few people in our country who articulate the sentiments of those working class people like bernie sanders and like elizabeth warren. we need to connect with voters the way they do. we haven't been doing that. if we don't, we are going to be a minority party for a long time. that's my fear. in 2008 the republicans control everything. they have the house, the senate, the white house. they are going to have the supreme court in the not too distant future. they can control two-thirds of the states and pass a constitutional amendment on their own at this point which is very scary. what i'm saying to my colleagues is we have to change now. we only have two years. there will be wind at our back
because of the natural cycle of them controlling everything. we can't go back with the same message and messengers that we have had. it doesn't make sense to me. as i said, it pains me to say it. i love nancy pelosi. but people elect us to lead. leaders lead, winners win. we've got to start winning. i'm trying to provide leadership here and ask my colleagues to join me so we can get the majority back in 2018 and represent the democratic party and do the things bernie was saying and average people in our constituents and districts, working class people want us to do. >> tim ryan, congressman, thank you very much. we'll be talking to you as this heats up. >> thank you. >> you bet. coming up, the right stuff? donald trump zeroing in on picks for secretary of state, secretary of defense and key intelligence posts. this is "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc, the place for politics. attention: are you eligible for medicare?
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rudy giuliani has been a contender for several positions in the trump cabinet including secretary of state. now hans nichols said his name is floated as director of national intelligence. here he is today at trump tower. >> are you going to fit into the dni position? >> i'm not going to discuss what i'm interested in nor what the president-elect is mulling over. that's not fair. that's not the right way to do it. this has to be done privately. i don't mean just with regard to me but with regard to even everyone else. >> joining me is the dean of the fletcher school at tufts university. the former supreme allied commander at nato and chief international security and diplomacy analyst. thank you very much. i guess he got the message after having been so public about his aspiration to be secretary of state. now rudy giuliani has taken the vow of appropriate silence when he's under contention. let me ask you about this. the dni is in charge of all the
intelligence agencies, as you know. intelligence analysts and the leaders of the agencies are supposed to be analysts, not policy makers. not policy recommenders. they are to present the facts. is that the rudy giuliani we have seen publically, this combatant in politics going all the way back? >> i think mayor rudy giuliani is well known as a fighter, someone who takes strong policy positions. it's hard to imagine him in a job that requires constant, measured analysis and very nonpartisan discussions. so i think that would be a bit of an odd job for mayor rudy giuliani. he has deep experience in homeland security. he understands how the intelligence agencies fit together from his time as mayor. it's a mixed picture. but i think the initial reaction is probably right, andrea. >> we already have controversial
choices in the national security sector. let's talk about michael flynn. admired in his combat roles and as a defense intelligence analyst. also came into conflict, was removed as head of the intelligence agency. now in a nonconfirmable post. he's the national security adviser. >> he s. mike flynn worked for me in afghanistan. he was a spush tactical intelligence chief. he led the intelligence fight in afghanistan for us. before that he'd done similarly exceptionally good work intact call intelligence in iraq working for general mckristal. he's well known in the flag and general officer community. can he step up to the strategic level when he has made forays in that direction talking recently about islam as a political entity, not a religion. it's been a little bit less
effective. it's a job general flynn will have to grow into. >> he's supposed to be an honest broker among the different secretaries and whether he has that is a question. when he spoke of muslim people and islam as a cancer, he's been very disparaging of muslim countries as well. there will be -- probably already is push-back from that part of the world. defense secretary general james mattis. >> he's someone i have known and admired for 10 to 15 years. we have worked closely together in the pentagon, nato and in afghanistan. when i was the nato commander he was commander of the u.s. central command. he's a superb officer. he's very balanced, very intelligent and well read. outstanding individual who understands combat operations.
i think the question is one of civilian control of the military. there is a reason we have a prohibition of seven years from retirement to taking the secretary of defense job. he could get a waiver for that. on the merits of him and his talents he would be an excellent choice. >> thank you very much. you have been there. you know them. you have worked with these people. great to have your business dom. >> thank you. >> now to mosul, the largest military campaign in iraq in more than a decade. according to a top iraqedly commanders troops moved to retake another neighborhood but are facing stiff resistance from isis fighters. lucy cavanaugh is back in the northern iraq town of erbil after visiting a hospital on the front lines. tell us what the situation was in the medical facility. >> reporter: it was a sobering look at what the war is doing to civilians and soldiers.
as we were pulling up an ambulance arrived carrying three iraqi soldiers wounded in a mortar attack. one of the young men didn't survive. we met a family of eight that came from a newly liberated area. it was supposed to be free of isis. that didn't stop a mortar from landing on their house. eight people injured including a young girl, five years old. she lost her eye. harrowing scenes. this hospital wasn't designed for this. this is the only hospital in the province not under isis control. it is a critical lifeline for civilians and soldiers according to one of the doctors i spoke with. take a look. >> it is the only operating hospital in the region. it's important. >> reporter: it's life or death. >> yes. >> reporter: now before the mosul offensive this was a local small town clinic. less than a hundred beds. now a front line facility coping
with some of the worst injuries a human body can experience under war. doctors are overwhelmed. they are struggling to cope with the surging casualties. >> lucy, thank you very much for that important report from mosul and the front lines. coming up next, disturbing new video of white nationalists openly celebrating donald trump's election in washington this weekend with language reminiscent of nazi germany. the president of the anti-defamation league joins us.
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we are as hagel recognized the embodiment of world history itself. no one will honors i for losing gracefully. we are not meant to live in shame, weakness and disgrace. we were not meant to beg for moral validation from some of the most despicable creatures to ever pop late the planet. for us as europeans it is only normal again when we are great again. hail trump. hail trump. hail our people. hail victory. >> as uncovered by the atlantic magazine some members of the audience jumped to their feet. you can see it. arms extended. an atlantic reporter present said he heard some shouting "heil" in german, not hail, the english translation. to comment, when pressed to comment a spokesman for donald
trump's transition said president-elect trump has continued to denounce racism of any kind and was elected because he will be a leader for every american. to think otherwise is a misrepresentation of the movement that united americans from all backgrounds. joining me now, jonathan greenblat, national director of the anti-defamation league. we have never seen anything like this. in an election cycle. you track it all the time but this is noteworthy. an independent support group. let's translate for people. when he says as europeans and talks about the struggle that's mein kampf. >> the kk uk used to hide behin white hoods. this is the same racist,
antisemitic, violent ideology characterized extremists for generations. the adl has been around for years monitoring and tracking extremism and fighting hate. we have never seen anything like this. >> steve bannon has not been open to the main stream press for interviews but he was criticized as antisemitic. >> all i know is the outcome. breitbart emerged as the platform for the alt-right. the term they use. it clothes it in modern language. it's white supremacy and hate. >> some said it was meant to be cheeky, ironic. >> there is nothing cheeky about
hate. we can't keep our eye off the ball. it's important what we said before. these were independent people. we think it is critical for the president-elect and all elected officials to speak out quickly and consistently in the face of hate. >> there was a premeeting dinner at a local restaurant you and i both know from the neighborhoods. you used to be in washington. this is an italian restaurant. they thought they were booking a group. i have been to bar mitzvah celebrations there. we have a picture of the people there. >> this wasn't a bar mitzvah. these are nazi sympathizers. we live with privilege in the united states but you can't take
your eye off the ball with bigotry. >> i have spoken to friends and associates. speaking to grandparents of african-american children 4 and 6 years old. they live in harlem. their parents are academics. prestigious universities. they were secure economically. the little girl said she wants to be white. this little african-american child, 4 years old. why? she said i feel black people will be shot -- she said under trump. this is the way a child is interpreting it. there is an effect on children in minority, in communities of color. >> we have seen this. we have 26 offices across the country. we have seen a surge since the election in bias, incident and hate crimes.
acts of vandalism, cyber bullying. even physical assault. directed against jews, muslim-americans, the lgbtq community. we are seeing hate and anti-smet timpl that's unacceptable. good people need to step up and speak out. the only thing i would say here, the silver lining is at the same time we have seen the surge of hate crimes we have seen a surge of hope. donations are up 50 times at the website adl.org. we have been inundated by people who want to volunteer. good people are stepping forward. i hope others will do the same. >> thank you very much. donald trump is on the move this hour arriving for a meeting with the "new york times" after tweeting about it this morning. more coming up next on "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc. (sfx: park rides, music and crowd sounds) oooh!
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reports the two may have talked after the white house meeting aren't particularly surprising. i won't read or confirm every reported meeting, phone call or conversation. i can tell you the president had a conversation with the president-elect since the oval office meeting. >> confirming reports that the current and future commanders in chief have spoken since the post election meeting in the oval office. joining me now chris cillizza, msnbc contributor, founder of the washington post fix blog and deputy editorial page editor ruth marcus. ruth, the whole transition i was told by people knowledgeable about the meeting in the oval office that there was a huge learning curve. and that president obama was surprised by how little the president-elect knew about what
he was inheriting. but the reporting in the new yorker seems to want to inspire the better angels in donald trump and hope being as collegial as he can be about this important transition the best for the country. >> i think that's a very smart strategy from the president's point of view. let's be clear. all transitions for anybody who is becoming president are co-ott tick and huge learning curves. that doesn't mean this isn't steeper than normal just because it's no surprise. donald trump has not been through this before. it's not like hillary clinton who went through a transition herself or one of the governors, former governors on the republican side who had run. this is going to be different. one thing we know about donald trump, he responds well to being
treated with respect and dignity. if that's the way for president obama to get his ear all the better for trump, obama and the country, i think. >> chris christie has spoken out on his regular radio show, i guess, about whether or not he will be in the cabinet. let me play that for you. >> have you told him basically i don't want to be part of the administration? or has he said there's no room for you? >> neither of those things. i have said to the president-elect, reminded him that i have 14 months left in my term. it's my desire to finish my term. >> that's a switch. >> yeah. i think chris christie said, you know, i would like to finish out the term but he said that and ran for president as well. i fine it hard to believe the
term limited out governor like chris christie in his second term, deeply unpopular in his state. unpopular with the party establishment types who are still baffled by his decision to endorse donald trump. it's hard to believe. this seems his best possible option by several fold. trying to get into the party is not campaign for it. that's what chris christie is doing here. >> you're a lawyer. donald trump according to exclusive reporting on "morning joe" today is not interest ed after all this talk of lock her up, crooked hillary in his speeches, it wouldn't be up to him. technically it's up to the
attorney general or a special prosecutor independent of the white house. that's the signal he's sending. >> look, i simultaneously think that's a welcome signal. it would be a very bad decision and very bad for the country. for the trump administration to start off with the prosecution of crooked hillary. donald trump needs a white house counsel in place to tell him what is and isn't appropriate in terms of contact with prosecutors and the justice department. >> ruth marcus, chris cillizza, thank you. listen up both of you. someone we know and admire so much, former president george h.w. bush shaved his head in solidarity with patrick, the young son of a secret service agent on the president's detail battling leukemia. the entire unit went bald as well. a happy update. we can report patrick is doing great. just look at him. the former president tweeted out this picture with the message,
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