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good morning, actually afternoon for many of you. it is high noon in the east, 9:00 a.m. out west. here is what's happening. a new day of reflection and questions as cubans mark the passing of fidel castro and aim criticism at their american brothers and sisters.
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>> people are making party -- throwing parties. it's like, please, respect. have conscience. you know? a little sensibility. >> castro's death is still hitting hard in florida. what will really change? what does it mean for the u.s.? some answers and reports from havana, cuba, to little havana miami. millions of americans head home. recount. a major push for a recount. what the president-elect has to say about it. we begin in cuba. morgan r morgan radford is in old havana. talk about the reaction there. >> reporter: that's right.
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we are hearing mixed reactions across the globe. right here in cuba, i have to tell you, we're getting to see more activity here. we're in old havana. you can see kids behind me playing soccer. this is an area that's finally picking up activity after yesterday. the bars were shut down. restaurants were serving alcohol. concerts were canceled. people were out here in this area openly weeping because fidel castro died. this is a man who had a complicated legacy here. people said, on one hand he gave us free education, he gave us free health care. but we have seen this brain drain of younger cubans leaving the island. i went to find some of the younger cubans where i took classes at a university of havana. they said why socialism was still important to them right now. take a listen. what do you want the world to know about the leader fidel castro? >> to know that he deserve
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respect. he deserve people to understand that he wasn't bad or anything like that. >> i would like to say the world, this is not the end. we are the future. this legacy that he left us is the most important, and we have to continue that. >> do you consider yourself a revolutionary? >> yes. i study for free. i get my meds for free. i don't have to pay anything. >> reporter: the question, alex, becomes, what happens now? what happens with respect to domestic policy? some people say, look, we don't really think that things are going to change significantly because raul castro is still the one who has been in power since 2008. frankly, there's been a transition team in place for a year. precisely when this moment came, things would be a seamless transition. people are waiting to see what this means for families,
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personally. will they be able to reconnect with families who have left the island of cuba? what does that mean fidel castro's legacy going forward? >> morgan, you mentioned you were able sto study there. that was closer to the time when fidel castro was actually in power. i'm curious what the sentiments were like then. were people able to express a difference of opinion as to his policies? did you hear that while you were studying? >> reporter: that's actually a great question. i was here the last year that he was, in fact, still president. people would feel comfortable with you in their homes discussing some degree of policy. whatever the conversation would turn, people would say, the reality, there are different generations that have different opinions. in fact, my great grandparents came from jamaica. this is where they came because they considered this to be the land of opportunity because of the health care system, because of the education system. when you talk to different generations of cubans, you get a different perspective. still, people weren't
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comfortable in that moment really feeling comfortable critiquing the government here. i think you still find some of that today. >> very interesting to have you there on the ground in havana. thank you for that. joining me from miami is allen gomez, an immigration reporter. his parents fled cuba when castro took power. with a welcome to you. you heard the young students in morgan's report. what would you tell them about the effect that castro had on cuban-american families? >> it's really just impossible to kind of wrap up very quickly. what i can tell you -- you mentioned this at the top. the idea that everybody i spoke to in the last couple of days in miami that you see celebrating, they will say and every single one will say, we're not celebrating the death of any person. that would be morbid. that would be terrible. what we're celebrating is the end of what he represented, of the system that he put in place, of everything that he did to our families, to our grandparents and forcing all of these people to flee their home country and go and live in exile for all
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these five decades. it's been for the people here, like i can tell you, my parents, it was -- my family is a very interesting couple of days for them kind of relishing in what happened. you saw that manifested on the streets of miami. you saw people dancing and singing. again, i think it's more done in a sense of he is now gone and that means we're -- it's a step toward getting cuba to a place where the democratic system can take hold, where the political system in cuba can change. so that none of that can happen again. >> you know, with handing off the reigns to his brother, a person who was very high profile when he was in power and fidel was in power, you have raul running things now. how much difference is there in the temperament there in cuba? >> i don't think you are going to see much change at all right now. one of the strange, unintended consequences of fidel castro getting sick ten years ago was he was able to hand over power to his brother. it gave his brother eight years
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to solidify his rule, to make the domestic and internation international -- cement those relationships so he can maintain power over the country. so that transition of power happened eight years ago. so now raul is firmly entrenched there. the military, he has been in charge in cuba. that's a huge component in cuba. he is able to run the show now without any question. he had fidel all those years to be over his shoulder and be the source of approval. for anybody who questions raul. but now he has had enough time to establish himself. you are not going to see much change now. the question becomes, really the big change is going to happen after raul. anybody in the united states knows who fidel and raul castro are. i'm sure most americans would be hard pressed to name another cuban politician. it's that struggle for power once raul either steps aside as he said he would do in 2018 or when he dies when we will see what will happen next. >> you wrote an op-ed about how
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the cuban military is tied to your outlook on cuba's future. talk about that. >> i mean, this is one of these incredibly difficult stories to cover. because it's just so entwined in my family's history. i wouldn't exist if it wasn't for fidel castro. my father, his father was in the previous military. and he spent 30 years in prison and never got to leave cuba. i never got to meet him because of that. my father had to flee the country when he was 15 and come over here and start his life by himself. start his family, bring his relatives over. then my mother lived on a different part of the country. she fled for very different reasons. she could have stayed but saw the direction the country was going and decided, i don't want to raise my children, my oldest sister and my oldest brother, she didn't want to raise them there. she made a decision to leave. she came to miami. that's where they met. that's where they had my brother
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and myself. i joke sometimes that i'm a fidel baby. if not for him, i wouldn't exist. obviously, i don't know if i would want my parents to go through what they had to go through for that to happen. it just kind of adds that extra incredibly difficult emotional level to all of this. i think that's why when you talk to so many cubans, it's not so black and white. it's such a complicated, difficult thing. on the one hand, they were able to come here and establish themselves in the united states. they're doing far better economically than they could have in cuba. that's' b a benefit. but the pain and suffering and lives lost, it's a difficult balancing act. >> sentiments being echoed throughout many homes around the world. thank you very much. appreciate your time. turning now to politics and new details about the in fighting taking place in the trump campaign over who is going to be the country's next secretary of state. here is a what kellyanne conway told chuck todd earlier this
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morning. >> why are you campaigning against mitt romney as secretary of state? >> i'm not campaigning against anyone. i'm just a concerned citizen. i'm not campaigning against mitt romney. that's a decision that only one man can make, president-elect trump. i will respect it and i will support it 1,000%. but i'm reflecting what the grassroots are saying. they feel a bit betrayed to think that you can get a romney back in there after everything he did. we don't know if he voted for donald trump. he and his consultants were nothing but awful to donald trump for a year. >> the president-elect is wrapping up his criticism of jill stein's election recount effort. here is one of several tweets he typed out early this morning. here is stein's reaction to trump's criticism. >> he himself said that it was a rigged election. unless he won it.
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i invite everyone -- i invite donald trump's campaign, hillary's campaign, we have had calls out to gary johnson's campaign, this should be a non-partisan people powered effort to ensure that we can rely on the integrity and the security of our votes. >> stein claimed victory on friday when wisconsin accepted her petition to start recounting votes. stein now plans to send petitions to officials in michigan and pennsylvania this week. a decision former democratic candidate bernie sanders says he supports. >> the green party has the legal right. republicans have requested i think the governor of north carolina right now is thinking about doing a recount. that's a legal right. they do it. i don't think that hillary clinton who got 2 million more votes than mr. trump in the popular election thinks it's going to transform the election. but do people have the legal right to do it? yeah, we do. >> let's bring in chrkristin wer in palm beach, florida.
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welcome to you. how big of an issue is trump you think going to make of the recount efforts? >> reporter: he was on a tweet storm about it earlier today. he is really fired up. let me first give some context about this recount. what it's about. green party candidate jill stein initiated this effort for a recount in three states that you mentioned, wisconsin, michigan and pennsylvania. because a group of computer scientists said they found evidence of voter irregularities. the margin very narrow there. president-elect trump won the three states by a combined margin of about 100,000 votes. that's what prompted this. the clinton campaign saying, nothing is going to change the results of the election. however, if you are going to do a recount, we want to make sure we have a lawyer there monitoring it. donald trump has been lashing out about this on twitter and in a statement. let me read you a part of what he had to say. this is a scam by the green party for an election thatonced. the result should be respected
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instead of being challenged and abused, which is what jill stein is doing. when he talked about the system being rigged in the days leading up to the election, had you democrats, the clinton campaign saying that is undemocratic. you are undermining our democracy. his campaign manager kellyanne conway had sharper words. take a listen. >> they get along nicely. they disagree on many things. that's not going to change. but there is a respect there. there is a respect for the process. the peaceful transition of power, which is why this recount by jill stein and now the hillary people is just so confounding and disappointing. their president, obama, is going to be in office eight more weeks. they have to decide whether they're going to interfere with him finishing his business, interfere with a peaceful transition, transfer of power to president-elect trump or if they're going to be sore losers about an election they can't turn around.
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>> reporter: she was talking about the fact that president-elect trump spoke with president obama yesterday on the phone for about 45 minutes. i asked for more details, what was in the conversation. transition officials not giving more details. one telling me they have established a great rapport and that president-elect trump enjoys their wide reaching conversations. anticipate for them to have more conversations because president obama is taking this transition very seriously and wants to have a hands on approach to it. that includes having multiple conversations with donald trump. >> kristin welker, thank you. donald trump's pick for secretary of state and the dissent in the camp on who should get the job. i will ask a member of the transition team about this next. i love that my shop is part of the morning ritual around here. people rely on that first cup and i wouldn't want to mess with that. but when (my) back pain got bad, i couldn't sleep. i had trouble getting there on time. then i found aleve pm. aleve pm is the only one to combine a sleep aid
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jill stein got 33,000 votes
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in wisconsin. mr. trump got 1.4 million. 33,000 votes is the number of people who tailgate at a packers game. it's not a serious effort to change the election results. the question for the democrats is, why are you doing this? >> that's trump adviser kellyanne conway weighing in on the election recount set to begin later this week in wisconsin. let's bring in ken caldwell. let's talk about her comments. despite those, the president-elect has been tweeting up a storm about the recount. calling it a scam. is there anything that tells you may be worried about anything? >> no. this is an effort on the left to delegitimize the election of donald trump as the next president of the united states. and it's a lot of temper tantrums being played out on e the -- across the electoral map. the reality is is that december
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13, i think that he will be, you know, declared the president and we will have everybody ready to go to the electoral college to cast their ballot. and he will have, in fact, won with an electoral college landslide. >> you mentioned december 13. that is within the 35 day limit that those votes have to be recounted and said and done by then. let's talk about fidel castro. do you think his death should be considered trump's first diplomatic test? if so, has he passed? >> look, let me just state so that you have full context. for almost three years i was u.s. ambassador to the u.n. human rights commission. my pred secessor was a prisonern cuba, a prisoner of fidel castro
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for 27 years. they negotiated his freedom. president reagan helped him through the naturalization process and made him the ambassador, put him next to the cuban delegation in geneva. and we, in fact, started an all out diplomatic assault on fidel castro's dictatorship. he is in miami, florida, today. that would be a great interview for you to have. i want to say, you outlived him and in fact, you have seen an end come to that dictatorship. donald trump is saying the right things. he is not going to embrace this continuation of socialist and communist expansionism and the
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sort of quelching the cuban people. i think he is doing the right thing. >> that is a very interesting personal -- you talk about the pred sa predecessor at the u.n. let's talk about reince priebus and what he was saying on the chances of mitt romney being named secretary of state. here is part of what he said. >> trump is going to keep talking to the right people and get opinions on what the right decision would be. but ultimately it would be his decision. i can just assure the american people the fact that he is actually even flirting with the idea of choosing a rival should tell the american people where he is at, which is the best place for everyone in this country. >> what's your sense, ken? is mitt romney really in the running or is this a trial balloon? >> i think he is in the running if, in fact, the president-elect is talking with him. this process is a very fascinating process to me.
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what it allows for is a thorough vetting. it's very transparent and people can put their assets and their liabilities out for full disp y display. i think there might be people who have forgotten somebody who can be very competitive in this process who is also talked to the president-elect and that's john bolton. i think it's wide open. i think all of these competitors have something to offer. and i think there are distracters within the inner circles and will make their case against them and supporters of the various folks will make their case for them. >> that's the way it goes. >> he is going to ultimately make the decision. one of the things you know about president-elect trump is that he is a good assessor of talent. the other thing that i know, his cabinet is going to be more
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diverse than the cast of "hamilton." >> let's talk very quickly in your role as domestic policy adviser. what's the top thing on the agenda for the first 100 days domesticall domestically? >> i tell you, one of the things that we know is that donald trump wants to get the economy moving again. you talk to his economic advisers and they're going to look at a tax package that will, in fact, stimulate the economy and get it out of the anemic doldrums it is in right now. one of the brilliant things about the american people is that they have elected someone who both loves the american worker and loves and respects capital. he understands that capital seeks the path of least resistance and greater opportunity. what he is going to do is going to create an opportunity society not only for workers but for capital that's outside our borders to come back in and fuel economic growth and job
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doe l delays. that's very normal. the only bad weather is on the west coast. only delays have been between lax and here or denver. for the most part and most americans are driving, travel is looking pretty good on the busiest or one of the busiest travel days of the year. >> we will stop right there and hold that good thought. thank you so much. with protests growing in south florida, what was fidel castro like one on one? i will ask former ambassador richardson what his experience was like with the communist leader. all finished.
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thousands celebrated news of castro's pattin inpassing. i can't even find you in that crowd. where are you? >> reporter: i'm down here. it's a second day of a lot of people coming out here from the cuban-american -- in many ways oddly celebrate the death of fidel castro. some of them saying they're not celebrating the death of a person but rather celebrating the passing of who they believe was a dictator. hold that sign up overi ieyour head. she writes we don't celebrate death, we celebrate freedom. let me ask you, sir -- what do you think right now about fidel castro's death? >> it's like al capone died. >> reporter: what is the future? >> we will see.
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>> reporter: that's an important thing to note. while fidel castro has now died, he really wasn't in power since 2006. he passed over the authority in effect to his brother raul. his brother raul has indicated that two years from now he will step down from power. when he steps down from power, they have chosen who will step into his place. that person wasn't even alive when fidel castro began his revolution. there's change coming. but maybe not as quickly as people hoped for, especially cuban-american community here. the change, of course, is that under fidel castro, the ownership of everything was impossible. now in cuba, people can own cars, property. there is such incremental changes. >> what a difference a few hours make. you were suggesting people were sleeping off the celebrations from yesterday. they are out in force now.
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kerry sanders, thank you so much for making your way through the crowds for us. let's bring in bill richardson, former ambassador to the u.n. and an msnbc contributor. good to see you. i'm curious about your reaction when you heard the news about fidel castro's passing. >> well, historic figure. he was an icon from the cold war. but he leaves a mixed legacy. his impact internationally, rallying revolutionary causes in latin american, venezuela, in africa and angola. the legacy is a bit hurt by what he did in cuba. human rights violations, executions, lack of transparency, democracy. i remember when i met him, i kidded him about how he got 97% of the vote. i said, what are you going to do to the 3%. he kind of laughed. i laughed a little nervously.
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i think in the end, it's unclear what will happen after his death. i think raul is more progressive, his brother. and maybe he will unshackle a little bit of the human rights, democracy problems that cuba has. >> you mentioned meeting him. i know you did at least once 20 years ago when you were trying to get three american hostages released. you did your homework on castro, which probably was a lot of the reason why you left cuba with those three freed hostages. tell us about that. >> well, he is a very tough negotiator. he is a night owl. for instance, he has his meetings in the evening. he woke up around 2:00 p.m. and started his day then. i remember arriving in cuba and woken up at 2:00 a.m. and said, the president wants to see you and have dinner. we started negotiating. he is very dogmatic, very authoritarian. we had a connection in spanish,
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baseball. i remember going to a baseball game and saying to him, mr. president, i went to a game. you have great hitting. but your pitching is not too good. it was like a 13-12 score. he got mad at me a little bit. he said, you are badly informed. i caved in because i wanted to geters out. i did get them out. he was very well informed, very intellige intelligent. he knew everything about u.s. politics. he was a good listener. deep down, i think he was somebody that was not going to change. authoritarian. he did make some advances in health care and education on the island. my sense is that a lot of people in the island wanted him to basically go. they wanted a new phase in cuba. they wanted to be more transparent. they wanted to have more private sector. they wanted to have more freedom to travel. they wanted to make more money. i mean, the average wage in cuba
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is about $30 a month. the socialist experiment of castro's i don't think succeeded -- has succeeded in cuba. now with the brother, it could be a change. but it's unclear. >> what also is unclear is the extent to which donald trump may reverse the obama administration's policies on cuba. they did so by executive order. trump can do it. what's your concern there? do you have any gut instinct on where this is going to go? >> well, my hope is that trump continues the normalization. i doubt if he will in the beginning, because he has to honor his campaign commitments. the cuban trade embargo is not going to change because of a republican congress. there will be no u.s. investment in cuba. what may be a little bit in contention is the executive orders on travel, on cultural exchanges, on many human rights
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exchanges that i think -- the obama administration has done, which i think are positive. the exchange of ambassadors, it could be that trump does not submit an american ambassador. we have somebody that obama has submitted. my hope is that he kind of lets things lie a little bit. i think raul was more progressive than fidel. and now that raul is a bit unshackled by fidel, who was probably saying to him, you can't liberalize, you can't change, that he will move in the direction of letting people be freer, or having fair elections. this is obviously in contention what i just said. but i sense something about raul that says he is going to modernize the country and that his brother was kind of holding him back. >> okay. very quickly, your take on nikki haley, trump's pick for your old position there as the u.s. ambassador to the u.n.
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>> well, on the good side, she's a governor. she has political stature. i think what you want in those jobs is somebody that is perceived to be close to the president. she's been an executive. the down side is, foreign policy. she has no experience. when you are u.n. ambassador, you are a member of the cabinet. you have to be in the national security meetings. she has to bone up intensively. obviously, foreign trade missions that she's taking are not going to be the norm for a u.n. ambassador. she has to learn quickly. i think the fact that she's a woman following two women that have been appointed suzanne rice, samantha power, shows diversity, an indian american is a positive sign. i would say she has a lot to learn. but the fact that she has a political stature as a governor, as somebody that is hopefully close to the president, will help her in that job. that helped me a lot.
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because i was perceived to be close to president clinton. on the hole, i think it's a positive appointment. >> from our friend, a former governor as well, bill richardson, thank you so much. good to see you. coming up, a new documentary on climate changes and what changes will come with the incoming administration. in the next hour, a filmmaker tells me what life is really like inside cuba and what change is possible now that fidel castro is dead. >>announcer: valhalla awaits... the great north calls out for heroes.
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i think that there was the never trump movement and then there was governor mitt romney. he went out of his way to hurt donald trump. he gave two speeches that i can recall in this calendar year and they were both about donald trump. we don't know who mitt romney voted for. >> that's trump adviser kellyanne conway weighing in on the trump rival turned possible secretary of state mitt romney. let's bring in howard dean, former dnc chair and current
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msnbc contributor and elise paul. welcome to you both. we will go ladies first. that sure sounds like one of trump's closest advisors is casting doubt on the loyalty of the man who could be his secretary of state. what's going on? >> it's really interesting to watch how this is playing out. there are a couple competing theories. is kellyanne conway and newt gingrich and mike huckabee are they going rogue? that's one theory. the next is that donald trump just wants to kill off mitt romney in this process. so he is sending out his aides in concert to do this. i'm not sure what exactly it is. neither of the answers are good. it just shows weakness, because there isn't -- either there's no message discipline within the campaign and they're going out against their boss publically, and that's not good for donald trump if he is going to govern in a strong way. or donald trump can't just simply make a decision and not
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publically air these grievances and move on to the bigger task of what his first 100 days of this administration is going to be. >> that would be, do you think romney is even a real contender for the role? if not, why is he being so highly publicized? what about john bolton? i was reminded of his name in the last half hour. he seems to have fallen off of the discussion. do you think he is out of contention? >> i think a lot of names that have been floated for these posts truly have been floated by people trying to get their names out there. it hasn't necessarily been that it was coming from trump himself. i think that as with a lot of these appointments and the speculation, it's simply that, just speculation. i think that governor romney has been in contention, because i think vice-president-elect mike pence favors him. pence has shown he has influence over donald trump, especially with you look at the nomination of governor nikki haley. she had spoken out against trump
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during the primary and ended up persevering and getting the appointment from donald trump. could this be another situation where mike pence is having influence over trump and his advisors are going rogue because they don't like the romney pick? i don't know. >> howard, let's talk about the clinton camp. it came out and said they will participate in the wisconsin recount. what do you make of that? is that a roundabout way of endorsing it? >> sure it is. here is the facts in wisconsin. they have looked at a number of places. this was actually brought to light by some people who simply went on the internet and looked a at the secretary of state's website in wisconsin. they found in three parts of wisconsin there were more votes cast for donald trump than there were total people who actually went to vote in the precinct. that tells you something is very, very wrong with what went on in wisconsin. i think you are going to see more of this. i have to say, i give credit to jill stein who was not
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particularly helpful during the general election. >> do you think this extends to michigan and pennsylvania as with he wil well? >> i have no idea. i don't know. this is not something that i have been following closely. it got my attention when i find out there were three areas where there were move votes cast for donald trump than voters. that's pretty serious stuff. you may see some more recounts elsewhere. i'm not so sure that this is trump's people. this could be electronic hacking. one of the problems in this vote is that there are still a number of voting machines, a significant number, with no paper trail. this was a part of the supposed fix after the mess in 2000. that means that you can do -- you can hack those machines. i hacked one at the direction of a hacker live on cnbc about ten years ago when i first got to be dnc chair. it's easy to do. i assume the russians have been doing this kind of stuff.
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they wanted trump to win. who the hell knows what's happening? it's worth doing the recount. >> you just brought up something. hillary clinton said i don't expect these recounts to do anything in changing the outcome of the election. do you think the russians is behind the clinton camp getting behind this? >> i think we should find out if there's something behind that. that's pretty serious that the russians cha s changed the vote. i know it's possible to hack those electronic voting machines. we know from what's been out there and what's been reported is that there are some precincts in wisconsin where there were more votes for donald trump than people who voted in the area. we have to find out. we have to take a look. ohio and pennsylvania both have voting machines without a paper trail. it's a dangerous thing to do. congress never fixed it. >> your party has a lock on the white house, congress and about half of the governorships. plenty were not and are still not trump supporters. what does that mean for his agenda?
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do you think he will encounter obstacles from within the party? >> i think certainly he has to work on bringing the party together. i think that that was why i favored governor romney as the potential secretary of state. because by showing that he can overcome the grievances of the campaign trail and bring in some of the sharpest minds in the party and bring in everyone together, i think that will give him more of a mandate as he tries to go forward with the tough business of implementing policy and uniting the country. >> okay. always good to talk with you. thanks. getting your attention on climate change, what fisher stevens says you are going to learn if his new documentary about the environment that you might not expect. ied an italian my lineage was the vecchios and zuccolis. through ancestry, through dna i found out that i was only 16% italian. he was 34% eastern european. so i went onto ancestry, soon learned that one of our ancestors we thought was italian
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we have known about this for decades, for over half a century. try to have a conversation with anyone about climate change, people just tune out. >> climate change. >> and the problem seems to be
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getting worse and worse and worse. >> that was a clip from the new documentary, before the flood. it was narrated by leonardo da c decap rio. it questions humanity's ability to reverse what may be the biggest problem the planet has faced. i'm joined by the dreirector of the film. a huge welcome to you. this is so important. what did you learn while making this film? anything that you didn't expect or that horrified or shocked you? >> it was constantly eye opening, let me put it to you that way. we went to greenland. you know, people all hear about melting ice and part of the problem with climate change is that people don't feel it. they don't experience it. that's why people tune out as leo said in the movie. when we went to greenland and we saw that dr. jason box buried a hose five years ago 30 feet down and it had been melted out and
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you see. all of that ice going into the sea and that causes sea level rise. that was one thing. the other thing that was really eye opening was in our government, the united states government is how many of our politicians get money from the oil lobbies and the oil companies, fossil fuel, not just oil, gas, coal and how that sways their thinking about climate change. that was kind of -- >> you talk about politicians. leo at one point asks the president, this is prior to the election, a couple of questions. let's take a look at that. >> somebody that comes into office that does not believe in the science of climate change, do they have the capacity and the power to dismantle everything that you have worked for? >> even if somebody came in campaigning on denying climate science, reality has a way of hitting you in the nose if you are not paying attention. >> okay. do you think that is now the case, as we have president-elect
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trump and we know his stance is the head of the epa, someone who is not a friend of the environmental industry. >> right. it actually happened, what obama said, someone who doesn't believe in climate change is -- or supposedly is the president. but i think reality may have hit trump in the nose. he did an interview with the "new york times" and said now he is open minded about climate change. i think obama and him must have had some serious talks about the reality of the situation, the joint chiefs of staff think climate change is a national security issue. i'm hoping -- bell was also, if you remember, was a lobbiest for the tobacco company. he was saying smoking is not bad for you. now we're hoping that bell will not participate in the cabinet of donald trump. he has not been a friend to the environmental movement. he has been an enemy. these are the things that we're going to have to try to work on and make president-elect trump
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aware of what's going on. >> december of last year, the pa paris agreement gets agreed to. it was signed this year. how concerned are you about that going forward, staying in place? >> i feel that the president-elect is going to see that just because something is green doesn't mean it's bad for the economy. the green market is a $2 trillion -- $20 trillion open market. people can get rich. it will create jobs. >> look at california. >> california is booming right now. the rest of the united states should take that lead. i think president-elect trump is going to understand that going green doesn't mean it's bad for the economy. the paris climate accord is showing there's a push toward renewable energy. china is going way ahead of us in solar. i don't see trump just coming in and going, no, we're not going to do this. we have to stay -- think about
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this. by 2050, in 35 years, the world will have 10 billion people. okay? the champion eainese middle cla grow to 500, 600, 700 million people. how can we feed everyone? how can everyone get clean, get power? how can anyone get clean water? 10 billion of us. we have to change the way we think. i think when president obama met with president-elect trump, he was like, i have to lay down some rules. this is the situation. i don't think donald trump had any clue. he surrounded himself with people in -- he is saying he is cleaning up the swamp. let's get rid of the lobbyists. let's not have bell tell us about the environment. bell can tell us about how to put more money in the fossil fuel pocket. they are smart. they are starting to catch on. they're going into wind and solar. that's my hope. >> let's hope we can get a copy
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of "before the flood 2." >> working on it. >> thanks so much. you can all see "before the flood." it's available online and on the national geographic channel. coming up, republican congressman of florida of what will change in florida following the death of fidel castro. o slep and open up on time. then i found aleve pm. the only one to combine a sleep aid plus the 12 hour pain relieving strength of aleve. now i'm back. aleve pm for a better am.
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