assure passengers that today is a safe day to go around our business. >> search for answers. could the tragic fire that engulf eed an oakland warehouse have been prevented? the man who leased and operated the building is speaking out. >> i didn't do anything in my life to lead me to this moment. i am so sorry. i'm incredibly sorry. what do you want me to say? >> good day, everyone. i'm andrea mitchell in washington. president-elect donald trump going on camera briefly today, doubling down on his twitter threat to cancel a boeing multi billion dollar 747 air force one. >> the plane is totally out of control. it's going to be over $4 billion for air force one. i think it's ridiculous. >> so will policy by twitter be

the hallmark of the new administration? how is the business world reacting to trump's threats? kristen welker joins me now from outside trump tower. this is unusual to say the least. it follows on a series of other threats against corporate america. first of all, let's drill down on the boeing 747. >> reporter: the planes would be 32 years old typically. those last about 30 years. it's getting tougher to maintain up take to replace parts. that's why the thinking is you replace them every 30 years or so. let me read you the statement from boeing, the reaction we are getting. they write, we are currently under contract for $170 million to help determine the

capabilities of the complex military aircraft that serve the unique requirements of the president of the united states. we look forward to working with the u.s. air force on subsequent phases of the program, allowing us to deliver the best planes for the president at the best value for the american taxpayer. undoubtedly, a shock for that company worth noting. transition officials were asked what are the next steps? they didn't have answers and they are still trying to work out the fine details. they did note president-elect trump sold his stocks in boeing back in july. he no longer has stock in the company. also worth noting president obama answered an order for -- cancelled an order. this is something that fits into president-elect trump's broader way of doing things. trying to make a deal. he's trying to put the company on notice and it's in the wake of the deal with carrier to keep

jobs here in the u.s. instead of overseas to mexico. what are the next steps. that remains an open question at trump tower. >> meanwhile, we have his unusual foreign policy, the whole question of taiwan and china. he'll be meeting later today withhenry kissinger and rex tillerson. clearly he can talk to kissinger about china and the secretary of state job. he's talked to him before. that was only last friday in beijing. meeting with the chinese. last night in a meeting with madeline albright reaffirmed his belief in the china policy he helped engineer 40 years ago. >> that's right. he was very measured in talking about the fact that president-elect trump had that conversation with the leader of

taiwan. what publically the trump team tried to cast as nothing more than a congratulatory phone call. now we are learning he had talks with advisers about trying to open up communication with taiwan, even before election day. we are learning former senator bob dole was among those who helped to orchestrate the call. there is no doubt that former secretary of state henry kissinger is going to have insight into this matter that he's going to share with president-elect donald trump. we'll try to get a read-out. he was at the foreign policy forum with another former secretary of state madeline albright who was critical of the president-elect that he held this phone call and hoped her counterpart could help shed light to the president-elect. of course as you know the white house rebuked that call and said it could ultimately have a diplomatic backlash. there continues to be increased

scrutiny on the decision by the president-elect. was it a foreign policy blunder? that remains up for debate. this is something that his administration will have to continue to answer questions about. is he, in fact, changing china policy? at this point it doesn't appear as though he is. but it seems if you talked to foreign policy experts he's trying to send a warning he'll get tough on china. something he signalled throughout the campaign. >> certainly with every signal coming from the administration, the incoming administration is that he does want to take a tougher line and change the policy. we'll talk more about that. you first reported that bob dole was involved in engineering the call. now the dole law firm has confirmed they are registered foreign lobbying for taipei for the interests of taiwan. there is that lobbying aspect as well. joe biden. let's talk about that. joe biden talking to kelly o'donnell and other reporters on capitol hill yesterday in the senate. outside the chamber where you

cannot have camcameras, just au. this is joe biden suggesting he could run again. >> are you going to run again? >> yeah. i am. i'm going to run in 2020. >> for what? >> for president. you know. what the hell, man? >> just to be clear, were you kidding about running for president in 2020? >> i'm just -- i'm not committing not to run. i'm not committing to anything. i learned a long time ago fate has a strange way. >> joe biden was clearly emotional. he had come out of the senate chamber after they named the cancer moonshot legislation after his late son beau. wanting to remain, we are seeing him today going to the house caucus. wanting to remain relevant politically and also lay down a marker. but he would be 78 years old in 2020. kristen? >> reporter: that would be the

reality. that would be challenging. some would argue. i think you hit the nail on the head, andrea. this is the vice president who has run for president before, who considered very seriously running in 2016, wanting to stay relevant. you and i reported very in depth about how much he struggled with that decision. once you want to run for president you always want to run. that's reflected as well. if you talked to people who know about this type of thing it would be tough to run at 78. this is about staying relevant. wanting to stay in the conversation. there is no doubt even after he leaves the white house. >> thank you very much. the tragedy in oakland. oakland, california continuing

to suffer that claimed 36 lives. sorrow turning to anger as residents question how could this have happened? miguel almaguer spoke with the man who leased the warehouse yesterday. >> did we modify? that's the question. did we make changes? like i would like to say we made improvements. >> are you worried you might be blamed? [ crying ] >> i'm worried my kids will be taken away from me. >> this morning on the "today" show he was struggling to answer questions about the fire. >> i didn't do anything ever in my life that would lead me to this moment. i'm an honorable man, a proud man. no, i'm not going to answer questions on this level. i would rather get on the floor and be trampled by the parents.

i would rather let them tear at my flesh than answer these ridiculous questions. >> he was answering questions about what responsibility he had. joining me from oakland steve patterson. that was an emotional response. obviously someone carrying a lot of guilt and being accused of some of the blame for this tragedy. >> he's given answers to say he's sorry for what happened, he wishes it didn't happen but there is a huge focus now on him as the building -- as the founder and manager. he's leasing this warehouse for about $5,000 a month. he covers that by collecting rent from tenants and using it as event space, neither of which he has proper permits for. part of the investigation that now the d.a.'s office launched and they are on the ground here not only sorting through the wreckage in the warehouse but

documents over time looking into this facility is to determine whether or not there was any criminal activity and then to find out who is to blame. that's part of the questioning that's being pointed towards him at this point. >> thank you, steve. in los angeles, security is tight today after an anonymous telephone call warning of a possible terror attack at one of the city subway stations. joining me with the latest is pete williams. they took it seriously because they had to. what does homeland think? >> the city thought they had to take it seriously though they knew nothing about the source of it. they had it quickly before the threat was said that there would be an attack today. they got it yesterday. the city felt there wasn't enough time to properly vet it. here's what we now know. the telephone threat came from a pay phone in australia to a police tip line. the tipster said i know someone

who is going to do this or i know someone who says this is going to happen. interestingly, according to a couple of law enforcement officials, that very pay phone, not just the tip line, but that specific pay phone has been the source of some hoax calls in the past. nonetheless, knowing that, the city decided to do what it did thinking, well, you know, it mentioned a specific place on a specific day, a suicide bomb attack at the universal studios metro stop in los angeles. so they felt they had to take action. you will see today more uniformed police presence, more dog teams, more undercover folks. the city feeling that out of an abundance of caution it has to do this. people are told to go about your business, do what you have to do today. >> the mayor himself showed up at the subway stop and got on the metro riding it saying, look, if i can do it, you can do

it. >> thank you very much. pete williams, my gosh. the threat levels and the hoax levels. >> it's the times we live in. >> thank you. >> coming up, the statesman, henry kissinger behind the united states opening to china meeting with donald trump today. ♪ everything your family touches sticks with them. make sure the germs they bring home don't stick around. use clorox disinfecting products.

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>> albright speaking on a conference on china. kissinger is scheduled to meet with the president-elect today. the architect of the u.s.-china policy met in china with the president on friday and reaffirmed last night he believes in the importance of the one china policy he crafted more than four decades ago which doesn't recognize taiwan as an independent nation. joining me now president of the council on foreign relations richard haass. he has a new book called "a world in disarray, american foreign policy and the crisis of the old order." prescient title i know you came up with that before the transition. you are right on the mark. >> i wish i weren't. >> i know. let's talk about the importance of the china policy. we are hearing a lot of pushback. paul ryan and others saying why stick to the old? why not throw it up in the air? and this was more planned than

just taking a courtesy call as the vice president-elect said on "meet the press." this is a deliberate effort to poke china and get back at china for what the president-elect called currency manipulation and the posturing in the south sea. >> the simple reason to stick with it is it's working. mr. trump, come january 20, will inherit an inbox of any number of difficult challenges. it is not simply you don't need to add a crisis of u.s.-chinese relations but the ability of the united states and china to cooperate will have a big impact on a number of the other things in the inbox beginning with north korea and nuclear missile programs, the global economy, climate change, india, pakistan, afghanistan, you name it. china now is a major global power. so to upend the policy which, as

you put it, has essentially finessed the question of taiwan's status vis-a-vis china's status, this has worked. there isn't a reason, i would argue. it doesn't serve the interest of the united states, china or taiwan to introduce new features which risk a crisis. >> i want to play a little of what dr. kissinger said about the chinese reaction so far. >> >> very impressed by the calm reaction of the chinese leadership which suggests that a determination to see whether a calm dialogue can be developed. there is no question that the

policy of opening to china has been based on the premise of a one china policy. >> now there is no question that donald trump is listening to mike flynn, john bolton -- who has written publically about changing the policy -- a lot of other people around him are arguing. where is he hearing counter advi advice? he's not yet been hearing anything from the state department before he accepts or makes these calls? >> he's hopefully hearing it directly from henry kissinger who is not only the architect of the policy but is the american who is most respected in china. so if there is any person who can speak truth to power on both sides, it is henry kissinger. also donald trump is known to listen to shows on your network and others. there have been any number of voices out there explaining why the one china policy has served

and continues to serve u.s. interests in this part of the world. >> there is an argument to be made that all of us have been looking at briefing papers that the biggest security threat facing the new president, whoever was going to be elected is north korea and the possibility that the missiles are getting more advanced which can carry a nuclear weapon as far as the continental united states at some point if china doesn't intervene and take measures which it has not yet done against north korea. and that should be the central focus of the pressure on the chinese. moving on to the secretary of state issue because a lot of the players, the people now being considered they say they are widening the search, that rex tillerson is a candidate now who is meeting with the president-elect today. exxon mobil ceo. he has a close relationship with putin, the russians. what do we think of that?

>> i'm a fan of rex tillerson. the question is whether he could form a close relationship with this president and also he never worked in government, as best i know. operational abilities are so critical. you need someone who understands the issues, understands how to make government work and who can forge and maintain a close relationship with the president. any one of those -- all three of the factors is essential if one is going to be a successful secretary of state. >> what about having someone like john bolton who knows the levers of power and is more ideologically in synch with donald trump on a lot of issues other than iraq, let's say? john bolton is deputy secretary of state and somebody else as more of a figurehead secretary of state. >> i'm not sure he's in synch with donald trump. donald trump was against the iraq war. donald trump, in principle, wants to focus on the united

states. it's not clear having a confrontational relationship with the rest of the world, be it with china or with iran necessarily serves the interest of the president-elect or the united states. >> let me throw out a name coming to our attention. we have not yet gotten feedback on this from the transition folks. this is just someone to who might be being looked at, the former ambassador to germany bob kimmitt. >> bob is a good friend and a good man. he's been deputy treasury, undersecretary of state. he's a seasoned diplomat. if he were to have a major role as secretary or deputy, that's the professional experienced person that i would welcome. i'm glad someone like that is being considered along with john huntsman, bob corker or bob

gates. >> by the way, do you think bob gates is doing more than advising? that he might play a role? >> he's run out of jobs. the only job that would interest him i would think would be secretary of state. it's hard to think of someone who has even more experience with how government works or with a full set of issues that will face the president and those around him. >> thank you so much. again, the book is a world in disarray, richard haass. it could not be more timely. richard, thank you very much. >> thank you. >> good to see you. coming up, going rogue. join me next on "andrea mitchell reports."

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never trump movement. they are both popping up. in two weeks all 538 members of the electoral college will meet in their states to sign and certify a series of votes sent to washington ahead of the inauguration which makes the election official. one of the republican electors in texas makes a national pitch through the "new york times" saying he wants to stop donald trump's march to the white house only weeks after saying he would cast ballots for the president-elect. he wrote, this is not a done deal. electors have the dutyconscienc. i believe they should unify behind a republican alternative. who would be your alternative? mike pence? >> i think mr. pence, governor pence has probably aligned himself too closely with mr.

trump. i'm no longer comfortable with mr. trump because of his attacks on the first amendment and the constitution. he attacked our free election process and mike pence added to it this weekend on the sunday talk shows talking about the phantom 3 million illegal votes cast. i'm not sure mike pence would be my candidate. i'm looking for someone with executive experience. i am looking for someone with legislative experience and perhaps the easiest person out there to identify would be john kasich. i'm open to others but he's the low hanging fruit who has the qualifications and has held leadership before. >> are you a party of one or do you have any support in other states and your texas delegation? >> i am a party of one. i want to go to two weeks in austin and cast a ballot i would be comfortable with on december 20 and december 19. i'm not sure if other electors will come forward. i'm sure there are others not

comfortable with mr. trump. i'm not leading a movement. i'm trying to be sure i have a clean conscience at the end of the day. >> are you affected by the fact that hillary clinton now has 2.5 million more popular votes? i know this is an electoral college system, that's what the constitution sets out. >> it is. >> but the fact she has so many more popular votes than donald trump, is that a factor for you or more about what he's done? >> no. this is about mr. trump. with all due respect to secretary clinton, she ran her campaign well. i am a republican. i'm going to cast my ballot for a republican. for me, the popular vote is secondary to the electoral college. >> chris, we will follow this, obviously you don't have a lot of hope of having a president-elect john kasich, but it is an interesting constitutional question. do you think, by the way, the electoral college should be gotten rid of? al gore said he changed his mind

since bush v. gore and thinks we should rethink the whole process and it is very hard to change, as you know. >> correct. the electoral college is the right process to look at a candidate and say, hey, we need to pull an emergency break. again with mr. trump you had a brilliant foreign policy leader in richard haass on talking about the taiwan, chinese gaffe. we had 50 republicans who are natural security experts and foreign policy experts during the campaign say mr. trump wasn't qualified for office and a potentially dangerous president. perhaps that's a subjective issue. objectively i can look at the claus and say, look, mr. trump you are making sales calls when you talk about foreign policy. that's forbidden in the constitution and the electoral college is here to do what i'm saying, saying no. >> thank you very much for being with us.

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so joe biden may be leaving the door open for a possible presidential run in 2020, or is he kidding? this is what he said on capitol hill yesterday. >> are you going to run again? >> yeah. i am. i'm going to run in 2020. >> for what? >> for president. you know. what the hell, man? >> just to be clear, were you kidding about running for president in 2020? >> i'm just -- i'm not committing not to run. i'm not committing to anything. i learned a long time ago fate

has a strange way of interveni g intervening. >> the vice president made the comments after presiding over an meeting at the senate where a critical medical bill was named in honor of his son beau. joining me now is a former campaign strategist for hillary clinton. what about joe biden? >> well, look. first of all, i love joe biden. i think the vice president has been the model of what a great vice president is, possibly the best vice president in my lifetime. he said he'll make whatever decision he wants to make down the road. we finished one election. we are four years out. i think we are a long time from getting started again. he'll have time to make a decision if that's what he wants to do. >> i want to ask you about fake news. because we have had more fallout from what was called pizza-gate, the conspiracy theories spread, in fact, by one online source called fourchan against a pizza restaurant, politics and prose

right down the street. these retail shops had nothing to do with anything untoward, a totally fake story about hillary clinton which was spread, but there was a lot of that that took place. it was acknowledged by some of the people involved in the trump campaign. what's is risk down the road here and the risk already? >> look, i think everybody i have talked to in the media knows they have to rethink how they cover things. they realize there is a media revolution going on that's more dramatic than they were aware of. it is important not just for risks like what happened in washington, d.c. the other day but it is important for the democracy. as the internet continues to explode in technology and continues to advance, i think it will be incumbent upon every media whether it is the legacy media, cable tv, internet sites like google, facebook, twitter, et cetera, to really figure out they are part of the institution of the political system in america. they are going to have to figure

out ways to manage these things. not just fake news but stories about websites designed to perpetrate bigotry and hateful comments about groups. that surfaced over the weekend. the media has to start thinking about it now. if they wait for the next election to start, that will be too late. >> and al gore, another former vice president, i should say, but al gore meeting with donald trump and his comments yesterday to chris hayes. let me play it for you. >> it's no secret that ivanka trump is very committed to having a climate policy that makes sense for our country and for our world. that was certainly evident in the conversation that i had with her before the conversation with the president-elect.

and, you know, i appreciate the fact that she is very concerned about this. i very much appreciate the opportunity i had to have a meaningful and productive conversation with the president-elect. >> are you surprised donald trump is reaching out to people like al gore, meeting with democrats? >> well, no. i don't think so. look, he's going to be president-elect. he'll be president with the lowest -- one of the lowest popular vote numbers in history, 54% of americans didn't vote for him. he's got to take lessons from president george w. bush, bill clinton who were elected with less than a majority of votes in their last election. they reached out to the other side. if republicans in washington understand that this was a divided country on election day and they have to work with the other party we'll make more

meaningful progress if people dig in and play politics going forward and stick to the things that appeal to their base we won't solve major problems like climate change or really building an economy with more tax fairness that helps the middle class, not just corporations and the very wealthy. hopefully, this will be a signal that he is going to reach out to the other side. but i think he'll be measured by that every day from now on. it's got to be sincere and continuous. >> what should the strategy be for the democratic party without a leader at the dnc, with historic lows in the house, set back in the senate, potentially losing more democratic senators who might be joining the administration? what does the democratic party, what do you do to try to reach those angry white working class voters who so soundly rejected the party this time around. >> i tdisagree that they soundl

rejected the party. >> if the electoral college is the system in terms of the battleground states, the rust belt is very much in play. >> yeah. >> let's put it that way. >> okay. i have said repeatedly the electoral college is the constitutional system and the currency for the presidency. we do have a divided country. hillary clinton got two and a half million more people voted for her than for donald trump. he's going to be president. he's the president-elect. but i think either party ignoring that at their peril would be a mistake. this president is elected now with 46%. it's lower than george w. bush in 2000. the point here is in terms of what the democratic party has to do and we did pick up seats in the senate. again, not a wave election. the president-elect didn't pull, gain seats in the senate for the party. we picked up a handful of seats in the house. as a party, we have to go back to basics. we have to go back to developing

the party at a grassroots level. every day will be a policy test of which party is going to speak up for the working people of the country and the policies to help them get ahead. it will be a test for both parties. if president-elect trurp or people in congress think president-elect trump was elected with a compelling mandate, he wasn't. a majority of the people didn't vote for him and his policies. he's 2.5 million votes behind hillary clinton in the popular vote. i'm not saying that changes the outcome of the election, but people need to be mindful of that. when you look at who people thought was caring about people like them, people who rated the economy the number one issue, hillary clinton did better among voters who believe those things than donald trump. i think both parties need to be mindful of that and figure out how to work together to make

progress for people. >> joel, thank you so much. >> thank you. >> coming up, conflict resolution. next week donald trump said he'll announce how he'll separate his presidency from his business empire. what about the kids who are playing a key role. this is "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc, the place for politics.

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next week trump will hold a press conference to explain how he will leave his businesses, quote, in total to avoid conflicts of interest. it could be the subject of scrutiny unless he takes certain steps. the associate white house counsel for george w. bush joins me now. thank you very much for joining me to talk about how can he separate the conflicts given the business holdings, the fact that they are not liquid assets but

buildings. the uplying fact is even if it wasn't run by his children he would know what the assets are valued at. he knows about his golf courses, what he holds. how can he separate it if he doesn't do what the "wall street journal" recommended which is to liquidate. >> absolutely. the assets need to be sold. they could be sold piece by piece but they could be put into a company and then have a public offering of stock in that company for cash. a lot of families do that with their family business when they believe it is time to move on to new ventures and they want to use the money for something else. they take the company public, take the cash. and then the public shareholders own the company. this is a good reason for the trump family to do that with the holdings. that could be done. there are lots of great investment bankers in new york and elsewhere i'm sure would help the president-elect with this if he wants to commit. i think it's what he needs to do

in order to be an if he can tef president. >> do you have an issue with ivanka trump taking part in the meeting with prime minister abe when he visited the president-elect and also at the same time her representatives were apparently meeting according to the "new york times," meeting in tokyo with people on her branding decisions for her company. >> well, i do think she needs to keep separate whatever work she wants to do on a volunteer basis or otherwise for the united states government in the transition and whatever she wants to do for her business. the two should never be combined in discussions. we don't want to talk trump family business side by side with talking about global warming or any other issue. that said, i think she has a constructive attitude toward a lot of the issues including global warming. as do many prominent business people. we want them to have a seat at the table. we want to keep trump business separate from the nation's business. absolutely critical.

>> finally, what about the president-elect going on twitter, speaking out against boeing for the contract for the new air force one contract that had been approved. it's been 30-plus years apparently since the old air force one 747 was first built and put online. these are long-term contracts. so they are very, very expensive. he's talking about cost overruns. others criticized it as well. the carrier issue, what about all the involvement s in private business decisions by the chief executive? >> well, he's going to have a lot of decisions to make as president. i hope he doesn't micromanage everything, every department defense contract whether it's for air force one or any other and he focuses on the big picture. he is going to need to divest his own business holdings which create serious conflicts of interest. i'm worried about the prospect of foreign government money coming to the trump business

empire which would violate the constitution. he needs to address that. he needs to get his name off buildings around the world which could be targets for terrorist attacks if they have his name on them. really focus on the job of being a good president. he could do that. his view on the boeing or any other contract as chief executive of the united states of america. but that should not be his view as chief executive or as a shareholder in a trump business empire. that's why he does need to divest so he can focus on being a good president. >> thank you very much. we should point out jason miller, the spokesman, said he did sell stock in boeing. apparently last june and his stock in united technologies, the parent company of carrier. there is that. more to learn next week. thank you very much, professor, for being with us. >> thank you. coming up, the pope and politics. mark shriver is here on his new book on the pope. this is "andrea mitchell reports." stay with us.

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>> he said maybe i'm not a good christian or something which is really not a nice thing to say. if and when the vatican is attacked by isis, which has everyone knows is isis's ultimate trophy, i can promise you that the pope would have only wished and prayed that donald trump would have been president. >> that was, of course, candidate donald trump taking on an unlikely foe, the pope. joining me is the author of the new book "pilgrimage, my search for the real pope francis" mark shriver. you went to argentina and told

us what is the background that created this extraordinary pope who has had so much, such a powerful effect on all of us. >> on all of us whether you are a catholic, christian, muslim or athiest or a candidate for president. big impact. there are so many questions i want to dig into. that's what it's all about. a journey to find out who how the first jesuit got elected pope. a guy with an incredible rise to power and a dramatic fall exiled for two years in the interior of argentina came back to be a warm-hearted, big-hearted pastor and is now pope francis. that's what the book is about. it's talking to folks who knew him best -- the track collector, the mom who lost a kid, rabbis who worked with him. different people from all walks of life, but not the big shots. the folks who knew him the best to give insight into him. >> some of the people have been visiting with him, the chief rabbi, friends such as that

coming to roam and stme and sta him. >> i met with a guy who collects plastic and was invited to the installment mass by the pope. i said were you really invited? he said, yeah. i gave him a hug after while he was taking off his vestments. if i were governor of maryland i wouldn't have a trash collector in the front row. that guy, sergio sanchez was in his trash collector outfit. the gestures of including people, reaching to the peripheries and people like sergio who aren't big shots, who are struggling in life and learning from them which is what he does is an important message for all of us about mercy, forgiveness and faith. >> you have a background in politics and in service through save the children. and the incredible example of your parents. >> thank you. >> how in such a divided country, a country that's in pain, both sides in pain, how can the lessons of this jesuit pope help us all?

>> he has risen above politics when he was in argentina. he really speaks to what he thinks his boss is asking him to do. his boss is god. he's not looking in two or four-year election cycles. he tries to pull people together regardless of where they come in the political spectrum to move the country forward or in the case of argentina to move the people forward. he's going to continue to talk about building bridges, continue to talk about the poor, the powerless and the voice of those who don't have a voice. that's the voices that are in this book. he'll get criticized but i don't think he cares at all. he is really trying to pull people together. i had a friend from cuba who criticized him so much after the cuban issue. she's slowly coming around to understanding he's trying to help the cuban people. it's not about castro and america. it's about trying to move the relationship forward past the hurts and pains of 50 years ago.

trying to move us forward. he'll continue to try to do that. >> mark shriver, this is extraordinary. thank you very much for sharing with us. >> thank you for having me. >> of course "pilgrimage, my search for the real pope francis." we'll be right back. are you on medicare? do you have the coverage you need? open enrollment ends december 7th. don't put it off 'til later. now's the time to get on a path that could be right for you... with unitedhealthcare medicare solutions.

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that does it for "andrea mitchell reports." follow the show online, on facebook and on twitter. hallie jackson is next from north carolina. here on msnbc, the second day of the thank you tour. hallie? >> day two of the thank you tour. hi, andrea. i'm hallie jackson back on the road for the show in fayet fayettevil fayetteville. it is the second stop on kind of the victory lap for president-elect donald trump. we are following news. boeing now responding after president-elect trump comments on cancelling a contract