tv The Last Word With Lawrence O Donnell MSNBC December 6, 2016 7:00pm-8:01pm PST
the republicans are campaigning so hard to win that senate race, even though democrats don't seem to be lifting a finger to help hem. never give up, though, right, with pence there and trump on the way, democrat foster campbell is trying his best to went that senate seat for the democrats, he may be trying alone, but he's trying. that does it for us tonight. we will see you again tomorrow. now it's time for the last word with lawrence o'donnell. >> i don't want you to listen to what i'm about to say after i say goodnight to you, because i'm going to say a bad word. i'm going to say a word i can't say on tv. >> bye-bye, la, la, la, la. >> he lied his a-s-s off. i really can't say that word on tv, i don't think. that is what the union president representing carrier employees said today about donald trump's claim that he was saving over 1,000 jobs last week at that
indianapolis factory. he lied his a off. and today donald trump attacked an american employer much bigger than carrier and pushed an idea that would cut american jobs at that factory. >> well, the plane is totally out of control. >> calling on boeing to cancel that order for a new fleet of air force ones. >> it's going to be over $4 billion. that's ridiculous. >> this is unusual to say the least. >> this is not the appropriate role for the president or president-elect to be playing. >> they hire add businessman who knows how to sharpen his pencils. >> i'm very glad the president has this type of courage. >> we have to be very strong, like we've never, ever been. >> a secretary of defense with a name "mad dog", does not automatically make me feel safer. >> mad dog plays no games, right? >> we can get these terrorists
and stay true to who we are. >> we must reject the failed approaches of the past. >> we need the wisdom that adhering to the law is not a weakness in the long term, it is our greatest strength. >> there are exactly two major manufacturers of large commercial airliners in the world, and luckily, one of them is here in the united states. boeing. and that's the one that donald trump decided to attack today. he's got no problem with airbus, boeing's french-based competition. today was a bad day for boeing, thanks to donald trump. also today, the union representing carrier workers revealed that donald trump's deal last week to keep jobs there from moving to mexico saved only 730, not the 1100 jobs that donald trump publicly claimed to save last week.
>> united technologies and carrier stepped it up, and now they' ar're keeping, actually, number's over 1100 people, which is so great. >> that, of course, was a lie. and of course the stunning absurdity of that story is that in donald trump's deal with carrier, carrier still plans to send many more jobs to mexico than it is keeping in indiana. that's the deal that the great deal-maker made. sent 1300 jobs to mexico but kept 700 more. today he attacked a company much bigger than carrier, and today was a bad day for boeing. thanks to donald trump, the first president-elect to attack america's only aircraft manufacturer. imagine you're sitting in your office in airbus headquarters in france and read this tweet from donald trump. boeing is building a brand new
air force 747 for future presidents, but costs are out of control, more than $4 billion, cancel order. the next president of the united states wants to cancel the order with boeing. and what? place an order with france? that's your choice. there are only two manufacturers in the world who can build you an air force one. you can cancel the order and keep the current ones running, but they are now over 20 years old. air force one is supposed to be the most technologically sophisticated passenger aircraft in the world, carrying the most important passenger in the world, with the best communication technology as well as a fully-equipped medical and surgery center. air force one has other capabilities that are top
secret. we don't even know what they are. there are 25-year-old a planes taking off every day. donald trump's plane is 25 years old. it was 20 years old when he bought it, because of course he can't afford a new plane. buyers like donald trump can replace their planes very easily by going to the used plane lot and buying something they can customize anyway they want. but getting a new air force one takes years, usually ten years. so the president who orders a new air force one is never the president who flies that air force one. today's was commissioned by ronald reagan who was flying a much smaller plane. george h.w. bush was the first to fly the current air force one. they have approved the funds for a new air force one, but there is still no order to manufacture them, so there is no order to cancel.
if development proceeds on schedule, donald trump won't get to fly in the new air force one. maybe that's why he doesn't want it. it won't be available until about aeight years from now whe the current air force one is 34 years old. no one, not even donald trump believes that the president of the united states should be driving in a 35-year-old plane, so why did donald trump attack boeing today? 22 minutes before donald trump's tweet, this article was posted in the chicago tribune, boeing ceo waits for trump's trade play. the article quoted boeing's ceo saying last year we delivered 495 737s from ourk customers around the world. one of every three were bound for china. and about a quarter were bound to chinese customers.
he suggests the trump team and congress back off from the 2016 anti-trade rhetoric and perceived threats to punish other countries with higher tariffs or fees, and so that's what it takes to get the next president for the united states to attack your company. that's what it takes to get the next president of the united states to threaten the american jobs at your company. here's what donald trump said when he was asked about his tweet today. >> you tweeted this morning about canceling the contract for the new air force one. >> the plane is totally out of control. it's going to be over $4 billion. it's for air force one program. and iridiculous. i think boeing is doing a little bit of a number. we want boeing to make money but not that much money. >> boeing stock dropped today. it seems wall street figured out
today that it will just have to continue to treat donald trump's comments as nothing more than out of control outbursts from an uninformed heckler even though he will soon be heckling from the white house. joining me from bloomberg politics and a host of studio 360. maybe if air force one's production schedule is a little faster and you could get that thing delivered, you know, during the trump presidency, might be a whole different response today. >> who knows, man. the reality here is that we're going to see this throughout the entirety of the trump administration if he believes the things he believes about trade. boeing is like every other large manufacturing company in the country. they brief in free trade. they believe in internationalism. they believe in all those things. they're going to fight with trump every time he talks about
things that restrict trade and tariffs. that's a preview of what we're going to see over the next four years. >> it couldn't be good to drive an air force manufacturer out of business. think about lockheed, all these, and we have one left. all you have to do is cut off or harm boeing's ability to sell to china or to sell foreign generally, then boeing's out of business and we have exactly one left in the world -- airbus. >> they only sell a few hundred a year to a relatively few customers. so this kind of impulsive act on the part of a president can, can really have effect on your business. of course what preceded this is talking to taiwan, which upset china a little bit. although presumably, they understood that this was this guy doing it the same way the market understood, oh, about boeing, oh, it's this guy doing
it. we can ignore it after a few hours of freaking out, but, so, he, a lobbyist in the form of bob dole makes him call taiwan and upset china, and then because the ceo of bowieing naturally reacts against this unnecessary gratuitous act on his part, then he reacts against that. if that really is the day to day operation of the presidency, my goodness, the question is going to be is when the markets and people in general just begin tuning it out. >> they went wait a minute, it's just donald trump talking. newt gingrich said this. he said president-elect trump, [ phone ringing ] >> if it's an important call, go
ahead. >> it's donald trump. i'll not take it. this show is much more important. >> in is what newt gingrich had to say. exactly right to challenge boeing. in fact, he should challenge every large program. that is a very fair point, but you can do that within the normal processes for challenging these costs as president obama did on the cost for a new helicopter for the president. and ultimately, he canceled the deal, but he didn't tweet and upset the market and the stock price. >> and it might be, there's an argument that the people, the republicans are trying to clean up after the comment made about china. it should be tough to china, that's an argument, but not in the form that donald trump did it of taking this call and lying about it from the president of taiwan. similarly, yes, don't give cost, you know, egregious contracts to contractors, but you don't
cancel orders. richie rich's father does. you know? >> i want to go to this carrier announcement today by the union, saying they've finally done the math. they've figured out exactly what's at stake here and what the jobs are, and it turns out it's a much smaller number that's being held, i don't know if you want to say saved, but held in indiana. chuck jones got up there and for whatever reason he lied his a off. and that, that a little quote, he lied his a off will now, will try to chase last week's giant story in which donald trump was given all this huge credit for what now turns out to be, according to the people involved, a lie. >> there's a reasonable chance that quote could be the epitaph for trump when he dies. it could be on his tombstone. he has lied throughout, from the
beginning of his candidatcandid through the candidacy and now. he lies, some say path logically. he lies all the time. everybody spins. trump lies. just, just, he can't control himself. i'm really happy for the 730 jobs that are saved. that's great. but i think we're going to see a ton of this thing where small victories are blown up into gigantic, he's going to portray them in gigantic proportions and it's the beginning of something that i think we're going to see for years to come. >> i remember saying last week when we thought it was 800 jobs and donald trump stood up there saying 1,000, 1100. he's just dissatisfied. he's got to round it off to 1,000. and then it turns out, it's 730. but it seems to now in future
coverage of trumpien moments like that, if he says 1,000, it's likely to be close to 700. >> that's a conservative discount. because he says he's worth $8 billion or $10 billion, and we . it will be interesting to see as president, and he's only president-elect remember. i think the press and -- >> he throws that around about everybody. >> but i think the world and the media and the press will, i don't think that the path logically lying donald trump will be able to get away with quite the degree of ah, trump, of course he exaggerated. i don't think it's going to be as easy for him as president. >> there will be a time when the white house press corps will react to numbers that way.
when they hear the thousand, they'll just assume it's something else and presumably push the white house press secretary around a lot. >> the question is whether we'll get the trump discount, discount by 30% or whether people will make a big deal out of it, and if they make a big deal out of it whether it will matter. the fact is, he was fact checked for 15 months. the "new york times" at one point did a story on the dozens and dozens of lies he told over the course of a week or two. no one cared, or at least his supporters didn't care. >> that's the question, does the post-fact, post-truth end at the president of the united states, does it end at the line of president-elect, president. >> some of these statements will be made to congress, and congress will, they will notice. >> there will be legal implication. >> so the democrats can go liar! like that republican did. >> thank you for joining us.
coming up, a republican who campaigned to be a member of the electoral college is refusing to cast his vote for donald trump. that lelector will join us and explain his decision. plus, it would be illegal for the general donald trump selected for defense secretary, illegal to hold that job, because he has been in the military within the last seven years, so donald trump is asking for congress to change that law, but will they do it? the campaign to change the law has already started. [ cough ] shh. i have a cold with this annoying runny nose. better take something. dayquil liquid gels doesn't treat a runny nose. it doesn't? alka-seltzer plus cold and cough liquid gels fight your worst cold symptoms including your runny nose. oh, what a relief it is! with hotels.com's for every 10 nights you stay, you get one free. which is great for families. finally! whatever captain obvious.
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quinnipiac poll. congratulations chris christie. up next, a republican chosen for the electoral college is now vowing to vote his conscious, whi -- conscience, which means not voting for donald trump. onsciou- conscience, which means not voting for donald trump. nscious conscience, which means not voting for donald trump. scious, conscience, which means not voting for donald trump. cious, conscience, which means not voting for donald trump. ious, conscience, which means not voting for donald trump. ous, - conscience, which means not voting for donald trump. -- conscience, which means not voting for donald trump. -- conscience, which means not voting for donald trump. consci, which means not voting for donald trump. conscience, which means not voting for donald trump. conscience,
u.s. times op ed entitled why i will not cast my vote for donald trump. they have a legal right and duty to vote their conscience, i believe electors should unify behind a republican alternative. i pray my electors will do their job and join with me in deciding who that person should be. joining us now, a republican presidential elector from texas. how did you become an elector? >> i campaigned for it like most electors do across the country. >> and have you been an elector before? >> no, sir. this is the only time, and probably the only time. >> and did you vote for donald trump on election day? >> that was the plan. there was a problem at my location, so i did not vote for anyo anyone i'd be voting for me.
>> that is what we're doing. we're voting for a name on a ballot, but there's really an underlying set of electors that you represent now. how did you make this decision to not vote as you were committed to do as an elector? >> it's been a little bit of a long process, but ultimately, this weekend was kind of the final raindrop that created the flood, if you will. mike pence being on the sunday talk shows, repeating the attack on our institutions that donald trump had started about 3 million illegal voters voting, which is fake news at best. there's no good accounting of that anywhere, and if there were any kind of a validation of that, my question would be why isn't the trump campaign asking for a recount go those states. but when you attack our institutions, our constitution, when you spend more time attacking the cast of "saturday night live" than you do with your daily intelligence briefing, i have to start evaluating whether i can support
you as a president. >> what do you say to other electors who actually don't believe they even have the power to make a choice? >> i think you're in the wrong seat. o you've been put in the wrong office. the electoral college is designed to be a safety valve, and there's almost a three-prong test. is this someone who can protect the national interest and do they have a financial interest? i think the heard it is clearly objective. but i think mr. trump fails on all three. >> you're right. it is very clear go the original intent of the electoral college that alexander hamilton intended for you, the electors to make up your own minds, completely, without any regard to what people in your community might want you to do. you are supposed to be in hamill t
-- hamilton and madison's view, wiser than the person on the street. and yet we've seen the electoral college morph into this rubber stamp. do you think there's any chance of turning other electors to see this the way you do. >> i'm not sure that was my intent. we will see what other electors do. i'm not sure. i haven't had much communication with other electors. my goal, though, is december 20th to have a clear conscience, that i did not cast a ballot for someone i feel is unqualified. that i did not take a lazy approach myself. and if that makes me an asterisk in history, that's okay. i think it's not to be lazy when you go to the ballot box. >> and who are you going to vote for when the electoral college meets? >> i'm not sure. i'm in deliberation phase. i've said someone like john kasich. there are others who could serve as well, but i'm looking for
someone with executive experience, legislative experience, and it may offend some of your viewers, but a republican. i'm going to vote for a republican. it's just not going to be donald trump. >> so you would not try to throw the outcome to hillary clinton. you would want to absolutely vote for a republican. >> that's, that's my plan. and i think there's got to be someone out there who fits the bill and fits the need and will stand up. >> christopher suprun, thank you for joining us, really appreciate it. >> thanks for your time tonight. >> and we're joined now by a columnist for the washington post and msnbc political analyst. there we go. there's the first defector, 13 day, how many more? >> well, he's got to get below 269. but of course, then, if nobody has a majority, the house selects the president by a very strange procedure. every state gets a vote, so that's even more
unrepresentative than the electoral college. the house at this point would probably vote for trump. >> but we also don't know how that house vote is cast. is that a, is that a vote of the congressional delegation and then a majority vote within the congressional delegation determines how that one vote is cast in the house? but we don't have to spend much time thinking about that, e. jchblts, because i don't think we're going to get there. hillary clinton's lead in the vote, 2.6 million votes. she's on the way to possibly exceeding president obama's vote kwounts in 2012. and so all this talk about what the democrats did wrong, what hillary clinton did wrong, every word of it ignores what that vote count says. >> well, absolutely. i mean, you can say that they made tactical errors because they lost pennsylvania, wisconsin, pennsylvania, wisconsin and michigan by about 80,000 votes. but it's now up to 2.7, the last
time i looked. and it's very strange and quite inconsistent for people to say that hillary clinton's 2.7 million vote lead means nothing. but donald trump's popular vote lead in all these states means everything. as you know, there's nothing in the constitution about the popular vote deciding electors. it says the state legislatures will do it. on the strategy, i think that democrats have to stop simply saying they did everything wrong. they didn't do everything wrong. there is a live and rather healthy democratic coalition out there. and i don't think they should throw out everything, particularly their appeal to minorities or the young. they have work to do with white working class voters. but, you know, everything did not go wrong for them in this campaign. by, in the end, it got to a very bad ruesult.
>> and e.j., we've now seen the electoral college deciding two presidential outcomes, 2000 now, 16 years apart. the first time it happened in our lifetime is when it happened to al gore, and you can just think of it as this weird thing, lightning struck once, but here it is twice now in 16 years. this looks like something that could occur with too much frequency, does this put pressure on the electoral college concept and on that alternative, which is states, for states to sign up to agree that their electors will vote for the winner of the actual vote out there? >> i very strongly support that. i think we need the popular vote, because it happened three times from all the elections up to 2000 and twice in recent years, and it's going to get worse, because more and more people are moving to metropolitan areas, so the vast
overrepresentation that rural areas and small states have is going to continue. and so we could be looking at this very often, and that was never the plan. and we have to change it, but i think it will take a while. you're going to need some democratic legislatures to get this changed. >> enlts j., thank you for joining us. >> it's good to be with you. >> coming up, breaking news, donald trump began the campaign tonight to change the law to allow his choice for defense secretary to be confirmed. but there is already resistance to that change in congress. including from one key republican. that's next.
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the waiver campaign is officially under way. >> with our allies strengthened. when our country strengthened, i look forward to being the civilian leader, as long as the congress gives me the waiver, and the senate votes to consent. >> what a great guy he's going to be. incredible. he'll get that waiver, right? he's going to get that. oh, if he didn't get that waiver, there will be a lot of angry people. >> so now we know why the general was there tonight, to campaign for the waiver. congressional republicans have add language to a must-pass spending bill that will grant a special waiver, allowing him to be secretary of the defense. the law does not allow anyone
who has been in the military within seven years to be secretary of defense. a key player is opposed to attaching the waiver to a spending bill. congressman mack thornbury of texas told politico is a significant issue. it needs appropriate attention, so i am not in favor of trying to tack it onto a continuing resolution and ram it through. it needs to have due deliberation. joining us now, steve clemons, editor at large of the "atlantic." a due deliberation would mean hearings in the armed services committee, in the house, in the senate, just on the issue of the waiver. >> that's right. this is a big deal. and the irony is that general mattis is admired widely across the spectrum. i spoke to two of hillary clinton's most senior national security advisers and supporters
who think general mattis will be the only adult in the room in a future security crisis. but by trying to ram it down the throat of congress, blurring that line between civilian control of the military is something sacrosanct, and they might have done rather easily, but telling them they're going to ram it through with a continuing resolution changes the game. >> one of the reasons they want to put it on a must-pass spending bill is they don't want it filibustered, and it can be filibustered if they try to do did stand alone. >> i believe trump is right, for the reasons that steve just said, he's among the many choices that trump has made for his cabinet, he's one of the least controversial. the guy's going to get the waiver. what i'm watching for is the incredibility fight between him and michael flynn. we know national security advisers and defense department heads often get in turf wars.
these two are incredibly opinionated, incredibly outspoken. they're not in the same camp on a lot of matters. this is going to be a great fight to watch. >> let's consider why he does get the waiver if he does get the waiver. when congress did this once before for george marshal in in 1950, they said it should never be done again. surely, they would not allow this in an obama administration, but because it's donald trump and everyone fears who will donald trump go to if he doesn't get this guy, that's the scary part. because donald trump is so terrifying, that's what increases the chances of getting this waiver. >> the irony of "mad dog" mattis. it's really mad dog trump they're worried about.
who he would bring without the experience of mattis, even though he is the george patton of the day, even though that creating complexities. and you hope there is a strategy with that commitment to muscle you want to show the world. but it's the mad dog characteristics of trump that people are worried about. but they would have taken something pretty easy, even as important as negotiating this waiver is, and they've just created alecha ed challenge. right at the opening, the preopening, if you will, of the trump administration. >> a quick preview of mattis versus flynn in the administration? >> i think, again, if you go back historically speaking, this is one of the areas where turf wars happen most often. >> national security adviser and
defense secretary. >> these two guys are known for being outspoken, highly ideological, willing to get into all kinds of fights. >> there's a small country out there that is going to be a victim. one is going to want to bomb it, and the other will say that's not the right strategy. >> one of them tweets fake news and the other doesn't. >> mattis has this respect, bipartisan respect. even democrats who disagree on policy respect him and his judgment. i can't find anyone who respect the flynn at this point, so that's going to be an interesting battle. >> thank you both for joining us. coming up, donald trump is okay with his children being on the transition team, but have the very childish child of his national security adviser removed from that team. that's next. that's next. 123450my number one goal is getg more funds out to parks
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transition team for using twitter to spread fake news. no, not that michael flynn. michael g. flynn, who is the son of retired general michael t. flynn, donald trump's pick for national security adviser. the younger flynn has been working for his father as his father has been advising donald trump. the times reports both flynns have shared fake news alleging that mrs. clinton committed felonies. a north carolina man fired a rifle sunday inside comet ping-pong, a restaurant which was a subject of false stories, tying it to the clinton campaign and to a child sex trafficking ring. and we learned today that the younger flynn had a significant transition job, which mike pence, who is running for transition, who is running the transition, did not tell the truth about today on morning
joe. >> well, general flynn's son has no involvement in the transition whatsoever. >> he has a transition e-mail. >> he has no involvement in the transition whatsoever. >> you're saying as head of the transition that flynn's son is not involved at all in the transition. >> no. he's not. >> joining us now, david from and a msnbc contributor, and it turns out on morning joe, the only mistake made is that no one has said, "has he ever been involved in the transition." let's see how this discussion went today with jake tapper on cnn. >> you're down playing his role, but you must be aware that the transition team put in for security clearance for the son of michael flynn. >> i'm aware that he was helping in scheduling. >> but i put in for a security
clearance. >> i think that's the appropriate decision. >> were you aware that the transition put in for a security clearance for him. >> what i can tell you is that in talking with general flynn today, he made me aware that his son was assisting him in scheduling. >> and that you put in for a security clearance. >> what are the appropriate paperwork was to assist him in that regard, jake. >> david from. and now we have yet another lesson in what you have to do in questioning people from the trump world. >> in that situation, my heart just breaks for michael pence, because what governor pence is saying, hey, no one gives me credit for all the insane things that could happen that didn't. every day i come to this office at 7:00 go the morning and stop insane things from happening. when i say there was no role in the transition, what i mean is there should have been no role. i did my best to stop the role. now that i find out about it,
i'm embarrassed like you. and what do you want from me, jake tapper? >> this morning he said he has no role, he has no role. and he's stuck in present tense, which i didn't catch when i was hearing it then. but as soon as you realize what the truth is, you see why he stayed in present tense. he has no role as of 8:00 this morning on morning joe. >> he is very good at staying on his talking point and not answering the question you posed to him no matter how many times you ask it. that was one of the skills he was put on the ticket for. he has needed it over and over in the campaign and will need it over and over again. if you are disciplined enough at not answering the question, eventually, people will have to move on. >> so you fire mike flynn's son for exactly the same thing that mike flynn himself did. >> i'm not sure that mike flynn himself did it. there's an interesting question, who is really running the
e-mail, sorry, the twitter request t account of the elder general flynn. and it could be that the son was doing the tweeting for both. every shooting takes place where someone goes. a lot of people in the washington, d.c. area have been to that place. this is an insane conspiracy theory. it's just part of what has been happening and part of the, sort of the disorienting quality for many of us in washington about this new administration. >> josh, twitter accounts now are basically like press releases. and the idea that someone else releases my press releases is actually true. no politician has actually composed and released their own press releases, the idea that they don't compose and release
their own tweets is unusual. they are however, 100% responsible for them as they are their press releases. >> they are, but this is not disqualifying in the trump administration. he rose to political power twittering about an insane conspiracy theory about barak obama's birth. i am hopeful, given that they have to fire his son, jake tapper reported citing some source that it was an order given by donald trump himself, that the younger flynn was to go. so i am hoping that eventually there will be this conflict between general flynn and mattis. so i am rooting for mattis. i hope that it's a very small crisis like this one and not a very large international crisis.
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people told the washington post today, quote, the president-elect sold all his shares in companies in june. the post reports the selloff could help address conflict of interest worries about his stock portfolio, a sizable part of trump's financial life that was worth roughly $40 million as of december 2015. a may disclosure filing shows. back with us, david from, this is the ongoing saga of conflict of interest, and now we discover, because of the boeing story today, because it was understood in the previous filing that donald trump owned boeing sdotock, that's why the spokesperson today said no, he doesn't own boeing stock, he doesn't own any stock. >> $40 million is obviously an enormous amount of money, do the arithmetic. if you have $40 million in public trading, something is
weird about the way you're keeping your finances, he wasn't a billionaire in the first place. his word is worthless, and we don't know what else he is buying. he doesn't file another disclosure form now for another year. the way these, and the disclosure forms that presidents and people in the executive branch file, i filed one when i was working for george w. bush, don't capture the kind of conflicts that donald trump will have. the only way to capture that is with the income tax returns and he won't release those. >> let's listen to something jason chaffetz said today. >> until he's sworn in he has time to make these transitions. once he's a federal employee, all be it the president of the united states, the oversight committee will be watching hem with keen eyes. because the role of the oversight committee is not to be the cheerleader for the president but to be there as a check and balance on the president. >> if jason chaffetz is serious
about that, this presents enough work for the oversight committee for seven days a week for the four years of the trump presidency. >> it will be a test, i hope he is serious. let's bear in mind, the conflicts do not start on inauguration day. ivanka trump was attending meetin meetings with an investor who is a major distributor of her shoes in japan. the whole thing is a series of systematic conflicts. and even if they had good faith, it would be a very hard problem to solve. it doesn't look like they have good faith. >> is there a possibility that republicans will see this at some point as something that is a public test for them? especially the jason chaffetzs, the people who have oversight interest in this? >> sure they will, when mr. gallup and mr. pugh tell them
the public is concerned. it is a test, not just of the people on capitol hill but the citizenry. this can either be one of the worst moments in american history or one of the best, depending on what we all do. >> david from, thank you very much for joining us. appreciate it. msnbc's coverage continues into "the 11th hour with brian williams." that's next. tonight, how the latest stop on the thank you tour went as donald trump tries to stay mostly on script. also the president-elect prepares to take public transportation but objects to the cost. what he did on twitter that threw the aviation world into a tailspin. and in history going to be made the day after inauguration day. what millions nationwide may be planning for a cold day in washington, "the 11th hour" begins now. and good evening once again from our headquarters here i
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